and oh, Jed, don't forget Bury Council who are now going to collect bins (stinking household waste) every THREE weeks...
Now that hardly stacks up as belonging to a Country which can be proud of it's achievements...
Britain really is becoming, if it is not already, and acting like a third world tin pot dictatorship raking in billions in local taxes and diverting funds to other than the common good.
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Britain really is becoming, if it is not already, and acting like a third world tin pot dictatorship raking in billions in local taxes and diverting funds to other than the common good.
Similar to this you mean?
I kind of understandand your point Toots, but I'm not sure they are are actually in the same league tbh.
Perhaps same meat, different gravy dependant upon your point of view to Gordon Brown selling off the gold reserve when at rock bottom prices but leaving people to suffer 3 weeks of smelly rubbish on their doorsteps... not even known in the most deprived places on the planet.
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Britain really is becoming, if it is not already, and acting like a third world tin pot dictatorship raking in billions in local taxes and diverting funds to other than the common good.
Similar to this you mean?
I kind of understandand your point Toots, but I'm not sure they are are actually in the same league tbh.
Perhaps same meat, different gravy dependant upon your point of view to Gordon Brown selling off the gold reserve when at rock bottom prices but leaving people to suffer 3 weeks of smelly rubbish on their doorsteps... not even known in the most deprived places on the planet.
100% right toots.....sold cheap so their friends in the banking industry can make a profit !!! And for your information GNV....the councils proposing 3 weeks are Tory controlled.....and most labour controlled councils have reverted back to a weekly collection !!
On the original thread.....I love this country..it is home. I love and have travelled quite a lot but I love coming back to England...I say again this is HOME. this is where friends and family live, this is where I feel at ease, so yes for me Britain will always be GREAT.
Quote by GnV
Britain really is becoming, if it is not already, and acting like a third world tin pot dictatorship raking in billions in local taxes and diverting funds to other than the common good.
Similar to this you mean?
I kind of understandand your point Toots, but I'm not sure they are are actually in the same league tbh.
Perhaps same meat, different gravy dependant upon your point of view to Gordon Brown selling off the gold reserve when at rock bottom prices but leaving people to suffer 3 weeks of smelly rubbish on their doorsteps... not even known in the most deprived places on the planet.
I may read as it but I don't have any political persuasion, consecutive Govts have systematically both the Country and it's citizens of it/their worth, they (The Govt) are all save for an uber small minority nothing more than a bunch of self serving individuals out to line their own pockets at the expense of the British Public, the establishment has never been so powerful and as a population we've never been so weak, no longer do we have a voice.
Personally I think the UK is well and truly stuffed, we've long since lost our identity, gone has the stiff upper lip and now replaced with,...jump sir? sure, how high?
It's time to go from these shores with the last person out remembering to switch out the lights ( if not, the Govt will 'ave you' )
thats where we differ Toots......I do believe there is a need for a change...and I believe we should stand up and be counted and stand up and fight against it.
Look through history.....people stood up and were counted in the Jarrow march...people stood together against the poll tax. If you feel strongly don't walk away...stand up....and make Britain great again.
Look through history.....people stood up and were counted in the Jarrow march...people stood together against the poll tax. If you feel strongly don't walk away...stand up....and make Britain great again.
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thats where we differ Toots......I do believe there is a need for a change...and I believe we should stand up and be counted and stand up and fight against it.
Look through history.....people stood up and were counted in the Jarrow march...people stood together against the poll tax. If you feel strongly don't walk away...stand up....and make Britain great again.
Agreed in standing up for oneself, by eck I'm all for that, but don't you think that over time the 'standing up' for oneself has gotten much in the UK?
Power of the unions diminished and looking even more shaky
We're arguably the most surveilled country in the World, not content with wanting every last morsel of money from your pocket the Govt now want to know what you're up to and when you're up to
Right to protest and freedom of association gradually being eroded, example below
Right to a fair hearing for instance in a criminal court but with Legal Aid all but extinguished save for the more serious cases how will that now happen?
CAB and it's funding cut, more bad news for the end user ( British Public ) and this reducing their voice further.
The so called 'snoopers charter' ressurected, handy that.
The list is endless on the tricks respective Govt take, but the end result is almost always the same, the voice of the woman/man in the street lessened.
Sure, protest, stand up for yourself, get yourself heard.....but in reality meluvvly it matters not to those in the higher echelons of power, we're simply pawns in their game.
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It doesn't always work.....be we can't just stand by....to just give it and take the changes is exactly what they want...they win.
People didn't accept the poll tax.....and it was reversed.
Whilst their is a pulse in my body, I will always stand up for what I believe is right and fair.
Ya see, even wanting not to 'stand by' has been modified to suit the state. (read about the Derby Rally at the bottom)
and the Police have it all ready for them should you choose March on a protest
It's a different world to the Poll Tax/Miners strike, the fuel protest of 2000 was for a very short space of time worth it's while and yet since then and when prices have increased even more so and yet no real protests have taken place.
Taking the changes, we have no real choice if we're to live on this land, not really and as
such it's why I just gots to try and vote with my feet n mess off to foreign climes, my family deserve better and right now the UK has sold it's citizens out and ceded it's power to the faceless bureaucrats of Brussels...*cough*
Now, about UKIP *smiling*
LABOUR, CONSERVATIVE, LIBERAL DEMOCRATS, UKIP yes POLITICIANS, despite them we still have a lot to be proud of.
Every Nation has it's problems, every nation has something to be ashamed of
Pakistan is a rapidly developing country and is one of the Next Eleven, the eleven countries that, along with the BRICs, have a high potential to become the world's largest economies in the 21st century.
and yet almost 59 million Pakistanis live BELOW the poverty line, that is almost as many as the entire British Nation yet we help them out with financial aid.
We all know the problems in Africa, people dying from lack of clean water, famine, war, millions in dire straits despite many regions enjoying vast wealth.
Many in the Middle East suffering from ethnic hatred within their own Religion, or stalin style regimes in power, civil war and outdated punishments.
Nations the world over have far less to be proud of than Britain, our history is not always good, at times we have to be ashamed of what we did, but we are changing, we try to provide a safe haven for those who come to us for help, we try to assist nations that need our help, we as a people not as a political party do what we can to help others at home and overseas.
Some Nations have done better, but not many.
For a moment forget the Politicians, Bankers and those who live off the poor and look at the BRIT, the everyday person, and in this time of un-paralleled greed we can still hold our heads pretty high.
Every Nation has it's problems, every nation has something to be ashamed of
Pakistan is a rapidly developing country and is one of the Next Eleven, the eleven countries that, along with the BRICs, have a high potential to become the world's largest economies in the 21st century.
and yet almost 59 million Pakistanis live BELOW the poverty line, that is almost as many as the entire British Nation yet we help them out with financial aid.
We all know the problems in Africa, people dying from lack of clean water, famine, war, millions in dire straits despite many regions enjoying vast wealth.
Many in the Middle East suffering from ethnic hatred within their own Religion, or stalin style regimes in power, civil war and outdated punishments.
Nations the world over have far less to be proud of than Britain, our history is not always good, at times we have to be ashamed of what we did, but we are changing, we try to provide a safe haven for those who come to us for help, we try to assist nations that need our help, we as a people not as a political party do what we can to help others at home and overseas.
Some Nations have done better, but not many.
For a moment forget the Politicians, Bankers and those who live off the poor and look at the BRIT, the everyday person, and in this time of un-paralleled greed we can still hold our heads pretty high.
Warming the Bed
The British Isles is a collection of Islands. Hence British Isles. Of these one of them is a lot larger than the others. Hence where most people are is called "Great" Britain. It's like "Manchester" and "Greater Manchester". It doesn't mean those in "Greater Manchester" are better.
Great Britain is just the name for the largest Island in the series. It has nothing to do with our standing. The word "Britain" came from the romans and was revived by the Victorians.
Great Britain is just the name for the largest Island in the series. It has nothing to do with our standing. The word "Britain" came from the romans and was revived by the Victorians.
Yes that is the historical, geographical and technical meaning but during our history the title has reflected our place in the World, once in control of so much of the world, this small island comprising 3 Nations had an Empire where the sun never set, it still has a large Empire where we enjoy a relationship with our friends in the commonwealth Nations.
My whole point was that while our Commonwealth and control may have diminished, quite rightly in many cases our influence and respect still has a lot of good standing, there are still many things in the UK to be proud of, our National Health Service is a tribute to us, the number of free public libraries and free museums available to our people, our welfare system though under strain is second to none, which is much of the reason why we are constantly discussing the problems and benefits of so many people wanting to migrate here.
It is far from perfect but in many respects it is still Great.
Sadly at the moment the divide between the poor and the rich seems to be returning to the medieval ages of landowners, barons and those that benefit from having peasants running around but at least those peasants have people thinking about their better interests.
Our laws are flaunted, cheap alcohol subsidised by the UK taxpayers and the right to smoke in public places if your lucky enough to be entitled or invited into the House of Commons or the House of Lords, Bernie Eccleston being able to buy his freedom with a £60million legal bribe to the Government so as not to be tried for bribery seems to be a farce and a show that you can break the law if you can afford it. But history has shown that Governments that rule in such ways do get ousted eventually, the day will come when MPs will be brought to task over their abuse of power.
Just as bad as Politicians we have the super business magnates that the Government refuses to tackle when they blatantly break our laws, rules and even taxes, but no nation is perfect and many have even bigger problems than those.
My whole point was that while our Commonwealth and control may have diminished, quite rightly in many cases our influence and respect still has a lot of good standing, there are still many things in the UK to be proud of, our National Health Service is a tribute to us, the number of free public libraries and free museums available to our people, our welfare system though under strain is second to none, which is much of the reason why we are constantly discussing the problems and benefits of so many people wanting to migrate here.
It is far from perfect but in many respects it is still Great.
Sadly at the moment the divide between the poor and the rich seems to be returning to the medieval ages of landowners, barons and those that benefit from having peasants running around but at least those peasants have people thinking about their better interests.
Our laws are flaunted, cheap alcohol subsidised by the UK taxpayers and the right to smoke in public places if your lucky enough to be entitled or invited into the House of Commons or the House of Lords, Bernie Eccleston being able to buy his freedom with a £60million legal bribe to the Government so as not to be tried for bribery seems to be a farce and a show that you can break the law if you can afford it. But history has shown that Governments that rule in such ways do get ousted eventually, the day will come when MPs will be brought to task over their abuse of power.
Just as bad as Politicians we have the super business magnates that the Government refuses to tackle when they blatantly break our laws, rules and even taxes, but no nation is perfect and many have even bigger problems than those.
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Yes that is the historical, geographical and technical meaning but during our history the title has reflected our place in the World, once in control of so much of the world, this small island comprising 3 Nations had an Empire where the sun never set, it still has a large Empire where we enjoy a relationship with our friends in the commonwealth Nations.
My whole point was that while our Commonwealth and control may have diminished, quite rightly in many cases our influence and respect still has a lot of good standing, there are still many things in the UK to be proud of, our National Health Service is a tribute to us, the number of free public libraries and free museums available to our people, our welfare system though under strain is second to none, which is much of the reason why we are constantly discussing the problems and benefits of so many people wanting to migrate here.
It is far from perfect but in many respects it is still Great.
Sadly at the moment the divide between the poor and the rich seems to be returning to the medieval ages of landowners, barons and those that benefit from having peasants running around but at least those peasants have people thinking about their better interests.
Our laws are flaunted, cheap alcohol subsidised by the UK taxpayers and the right to smoke in public places if your lucky enough to be entitled or invited into the House of Commons or the House of Lords, Bernie Eccleston being able to buy his freedom with a £60million legal bribe to the Government so as not to be tried for bribery seems to be a farce and a show that you can break the law if you can afford it. But history has shown that Governments that rule in such ways do get ousted eventually, the day will come when MPs will be brought to task over their abuse of power.
Just as bad as Politicians we have the super business magnates that the Government refuses to tackle when they blatantly break our laws, rules and even taxes, but no nation is perfect and many have even bigger problems than those.
What has Bernie Eccleston's offer of a payment of £60 million got to do with Great Britain. It's a German court and the offer, far from being a bribe to the government was based on an existing provision in German law.
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Yes that is the historical, geographical and technical meaning but during our history the title has reflected our place in the World, once in control of so much of the world, this small island comprising 3 Nations had an Empire where the sun never set, it still has a large Empire where we enjoy a relationship with our friends in the commonwealth Nations.
My whole point was that while our Commonwealth and control may have diminished, quite rightly in many cases our influence and respect still has a lot of good standing, there are still many things in the UK to be proud of, our National Health Service is a tribute to us, the number of free public libraries and free museums available to our people, our welfare system though under strain is second to none, which is much of the reason why we are constantly discussing the problems and benefits of so many people wanting to migrate here.
It is far from perfect but in many respects it is still Great.
Sadly at the moment the divide between the poor and the rich seems to be returning to the medieval ages of landowners, barons and those that benefit from having peasants running around but at least those peasants have people thinking about their better interests.
Our laws are flaunted, cheap alcohol subsidised by the UK taxpayers and the right to smoke in public places if your lucky enough to be entitled or invited into the House of Commons or the House of Lords, Bernie Eccleston being able to buy his freedom with a £60million legal bribe to the Government so as not to be tried for bribery seems to be a farce and a show that you can break the law if you can afford it. But history has shown that Governments that rule in such ways do get ousted eventually, the day will come when MPs will be brought to task over their abuse of power.
Just as bad as Politicians we have the super business magnates that the Government refuses to tackle when they blatantly break our laws, rules and even taxes, but no nation is perfect and many have even bigger problems than those.
What has Bernie Eccleston's offer of a payment of £60 million got to do with Great Britain. It's a German court and the offer, far from being a bribe to the government was based on an existing provision in German law.
It has absolutely nothing to do with Great Britain, but I thought it did because the only thing I know about it was a snippet on the news tonight and I presumed it was a UK thing, presumed wrong and hold my hands up, thanks for the clarification. unless of course I try to side swipe my error and say I was just giving an example of how other Countries aren't perfect either but that wasn't my true intention
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The British Isles is a collection of Islands. Hence British Isles. Of these one of them is a lot larger than the others. Hence where most people are is called "Great" Britain. It's like "Manchester" and "Greater Manchester". It doesn't mean those in "Greater Manchester" are better.
Great Britain is just the name for the largest Island in the series. It has nothing to do with our standing. The word "Britain" came from the romans and was revived by the Victorians.
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