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Don't agree with faith schools full stop!
As far as i'm concerned, religion is brain washing.
I agree on that, who was it that said "Religion is the opiate of the masses?" My humble education taught me something.
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Quote by BrightonGeezer
Don't agree with faith schools full stop!
As far as i'm concerned, religion is brain washing.
I agree on that, who was it that said "Religion is the opiate of the masses?" My humble education taught me something.
didn't teach you who said it did it?
That was god that was, setting up his own little conspiracy theory to keep him in the news.
lp
Quote by __random_orbit__
Don't agree with faith schools full stop!
As far as i'm concerned, religion is brain washing.
I agree on that, who was it that said "Religion is the opiate of the masses?" My humble education taught me something.
didn't teach you who said it did it?
That was god that was, setting up his own little conspiracy theory to keep him in the news.
lp
lol...Marx will be turning in his grave, for you having called him god
Sex God
Ok time for my two peneth worth 
I apologise in advance if I am repeating anyone else’s post, I have to admit, I got as far as page 4 and looked at the time and thought, feck it, if I don’t post now, I never will. So with the best intentions, here goes…………….
To the OP…..
Although your obvious knowledge of “factional tactics†and “guerrilla SOP’s†set along side your occasional references to the ‘troubles’ intrigues and slightly concerns me, I have to admit that some of your argument can be seen as making a certain amount of sense, where as other parts could be seen as by some as inflammatory IMHO.
So, with that in mind, I will give you my personal opinion on the two questions originally raised, as I understand them, which are thus.
1)Should, as a nation, be we black, white, brown, yellow, blue or green, support our troops “unquestionably?â€
The short answer to that is undoubtedly YES. *
The longer answer is, yes, as long as those same troops are operating within the rules of engagement, the Geneva convention, and as far as possible, in the most humanitarian way the situation allows in the given circumstances.
That said, and I only mention this because you do tend to harp on a little about how the ‘Troubles’ were only overcome by diplomacy……. Your words, not mine,……. Let me state this as someone who has first hand knowledge, had our troops hands not been tied behind our backs by the very people who sent us there in the first place, the solution would have come much more swiftly, and decisively.
As for a solution having been found by diplomacy, may I suggest you read (online if you do not have local access) any of the Gazettes form Belfast, Londonderry, Armagh, or even the provincial supplements and you will quickly see that far from a solution, or peace having been achieved, the situation now is as bad, in some cases worse, than it ever was for those we left behind.
2)The second question “Are they Heroes†I feel can easily be down to personal interpretation , i.e. What is a hero?
Well I have heard many thoughts on this subject, and have had a few of my own. Is heroism restricted to the armed forces, emergency services or the caring profession? Not at all, heroism can be found in the most unlikely places, from the toughest battlefields of our sorry planet, to the playground of the smallest village school. To me, heroism is about being scared shitless about what you are about to do, but conquering that fear and doing it anyway because you feel that at the time, it’s the right thing to do. Indulge me with letting me give you two examples of what I mean with a couple of questions.
What is the difference between a young soldier, armed with standard equipment, who believes himself invulnerable and doesn’t understand, or comprehend the risk of storming that machinegun nest, and sees it as nothing more than part of the days work, and the young soldier who’s imagination and knowledge tells him exactly what is going to happen to him but storms the same nest anyway?
Well , …… one is a hero, the other is not.
What is the difference between a young guy out on the town on a Friday night, who comes upon an altercation where someone is being beaten senseless, and believing himself to be an equal match to the assailants, wades in to the rescue,……….. and a young guy finding himself in similar circumstances, seeing himself outnumbered, understanding the very fact that he is more than likely to come off worse, never the less wades in to assist the victim?
One is a hero, the other is not.
This analogy can be extrapolated across the entire nations of the world and has no boundaries. I think you will find that most of our troops who have seen combat will be the first to admit that acts of heroism are not restricted to any one side, just as acts of unnecessary violence / in humanism, are not restricted to ‘the enemy’.
*(* I will justify this opinion in time, in the interests of keeping this first post just about readable however, I’ll keep it at that for now)
I apologise in advance if I am repeating anyone else’s post, I have to admit, I got as far as page 4 and looked at the time and thought, feck it, if I don’t post now, I never will. So with the best intentions, here goes…………….
To the OP…..
Although your obvious knowledge of “factional tactics†and “guerrilla SOP’s†set along side your occasional references to the ‘troubles’ intrigues and slightly concerns me, I have to admit that some of your argument can be seen as making a certain amount of sense, where as other parts could be seen as by some as inflammatory IMHO.
So, with that in mind, I will give you my personal opinion on the two questions originally raised, as I understand them, which are thus.
1)Should, as a nation, be we black, white, brown, yellow, blue or green, support our troops “unquestionably?â€
The short answer to that is undoubtedly YES. *
The longer answer is, yes, as long as those same troops are operating within the rules of engagement, the Geneva convention, and as far as possible, in the most humanitarian way the situation allows in the given circumstances.
That said, and I only mention this because you do tend to harp on a little about how the ‘Troubles’ were only overcome by diplomacy……. Your words, not mine,……. Let me state this as someone who has first hand knowledge, had our troops hands not been tied behind our backs by the very people who sent us there in the first place, the solution would have come much more swiftly, and decisively.
As for a solution having been found by diplomacy, may I suggest you read (online if you do not have local access) any of the Gazettes form Belfast, Londonderry, Armagh, or even the provincial supplements and you will quickly see that far from a solution, or peace having been achieved, the situation now is as bad, in some cases worse, than it ever was for those we left behind.
2)The second question “Are they Heroes†I feel can easily be down to personal interpretation , i.e. What is a hero?
Well I have heard many thoughts on this subject, and have had a few of my own. Is heroism restricted to the armed forces, emergency services or the caring profession? Not at all, heroism can be found in the most unlikely places, from the toughest battlefields of our sorry planet, to the playground of the smallest village school. To me, heroism is about being scared shitless about what you are about to do, but conquering that fear and doing it anyway because you feel that at the time, it’s the right thing to do. Indulge me with letting me give you two examples of what I mean with a couple of questions.
What is the difference between a young soldier, armed with standard equipment, who believes himself invulnerable and doesn’t understand, or comprehend the risk of storming that machinegun nest, and sees it as nothing more than part of the days work, and the young soldier who’s imagination and knowledge tells him exactly what is going to happen to him but storms the same nest anyway?
Well , …… one is a hero, the other is not.
What is the difference between a young guy out on the town on a Friday night, who comes upon an altercation where someone is being beaten senseless, and believing himself to be an equal match to the assailants, wades in to the rescue,……….. and a young guy finding himself in similar circumstances, seeing himself outnumbered, understanding the very fact that he is more than likely to come off worse, never the less wades in to assist the victim?
One is a hero, the other is not.
This analogy can be extrapolated across the entire nations of the world and has no boundaries. I think you will find that most of our troops who have seen combat will be the first to admit that acts of heroism are not restricted to any one side, just as acts of unnecessary violence / in humanism, are not restricted to ‘the enemy’.
*(* I will justify this opinion in time, in the interests of keeping this first post just about readable however, I’ll keep it at that for now)
Sex God
Quote by Pete_sw
Ok time for my two peneth worth
I apologise in advance if I am repeating anyone else’s post, I have to admit, I got as far as page 4 and looked at the time and thought, feck it, if I don’t post now, I never will. So with the best intentions, here goes…………….
To the OP…..
Although your obvious knowledge of “factional tactics†and “guerrilla SOP’s†set along side your occasional references to the ‘troubles’ intrigues and slightly concerns me, I have to admit that some of your argument can be seen as making a certain amount of sense, where as other parts could be seen as by some as inflammatory IMHO.
So, with that in mind, I will give you my personal opinion on the two questions originally raised, as I understand them, which are thus.
1)Should, as a nation, be we black, white, brown, yellow, blue or green, support our troops “unquestionably?â€
The short answer to that is undoubtedly YES. *
The longer answer is, yes, as long as those same troops are operating within the rules of engagement, the Geneva convention, and as far as possible, in the most humanitarian way the situation allows in the given circumstances.
That said, and I only mention this because you do tend to harp on a little about how the ‘Troubles’ were only overcome by diplomacy……. Your words, not mine,……. Let me state this as someone who has first hand knowledge, had our troops hands not been tied behind our backs by the very people who sent us there in the first place, the solution would have come much more swiftly, and decisively.
As for a solution having been found by diplomacy, may I suggest you read (online if you do not have local access) any of the Gazettes form Belfast, Londonderry, Armagh, or even the provincial supplements and you will quickly see that far from a solution, or peace having been achieved, the situation now is as bad, in some cases worse, than it ever was for those we left behind.
2)The second question “Are they Heroes†I feel can easily be down to personal interpretation , i.e. What is a hero?
Well I have heard many thoughts on this subject, and have had a few of my own. Is heroism restricted to the armed forces, emergency services or the caring profession? Not at all, heroism can be found in the most unlikely places, from the toughest battlefields of our sorry planet, to the playground of the smallest village school. To me, heroism is about being scared shitless about what you are about to do, but conquering that fear and doing it anyway because you feel that at the time, it’s the right thing to do. Indulge me with letting me give you two examples of what I mean with a couple of questions.
What is the difference between a young soldier, armed with standard equipment, who believes himself invulnerable and doesn’t understand, or comprehend the risk of storming that machinegun nest, and sees it as nothing more than part of the days work, and the young soldier who’s imagination and knowledge tells him exactly what is going to happen to him but storms the same nest anyway?
Well , …… one is a hero, the other is not.
What is the difference between a young guy out on the town on a Friday night, who comes upon an altercation where someone is being beaten senseless, and believing himself to be an equal match to the assailants, wades in to the rescue,……….. and a young guy finding himself in similar circumstances, seeing himself outnumbered, understanding the very fact that he is more than likely to come off worse, never the less wades in to assist the victim?
One is a hero, the other is not.
This analogy can be extrapolated across the entire nations of the world and has no boundaries. I think you will find that most of our troops who have seen combat will be the first to admit that acts of heroism are not restricted to any one side, just as acts of unnecessary violence / in humanism, are not restricted to ‘the enemy’.
*(* I will justify this opinion in time, in the interests of keeping this first post just about readable however, I’ll keep it at that for now)
Having returned to this post after a long time....
I have to disagree with your first point...no-one be he/she man woman or God should get or expect unquestioning support.
The thrust of the original post was to question the Suns' recent jingoistic,nationalist bigotry (I do wonder how well the B.N.P. would do in elections without them)
I mention Ulster because there are many parallels to be drawn between that conflict and our current I still maintain that diplomacy has to a great extent solved that conflict (yes there are factions who are still frustrated by the political process,people are often impatient and when they see their political goals getting no closer will revert to their original position....this is why things need to be seen to be done)and that allowing the forces free rein would have created a state of total anarchy,leaving Ulster even less governable than it ever for you being troubled....I have no Irish ancestry,I am a pacifist...but I do believe the island of Ireland should be one independant state...the partition is a ridiculous political construct.
Faith schools.....
I have no objection to faith schools other than the fact that they are on the whole government funded...the government has a duty to educate not indoctrinate...remove government funding and I have no problem with them.
P.S. I would if given the opportunity close all private schools (unless of course they use the same admission criteria as all other schools and stopped taking fees)
Sex God
P.P.S. Of course the term "hero" is subjective but that wasn't the point.
