H1N1, or swine flu, has been bandied about as being a hoax and is only there to make money for a pharmaceutical cartel.
If that is the case, how come there are people in this country dying from a hoax?
Dave_Notts
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How do you die from a H1N1 hoax?
The difference with the people calling it a hoax now and those that called it a pandemic then is time.
Any flu virus is unpredictable. No medical person can say with authority it will or will not mutate.
At that time the authorities had to make a decision. They called it when there was few casualties. History now tells us that the casualty figure is low when compared to seasonal flu. But was it a hoax? Nobody could say with authority it would not happen. So the authorities are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they did not invest and thousands did die then they would have been accused of not doing anything, and they would have been accused of murder by the papaers and others.
It was a risk based decision, and they called it. In my eyes it was no hoax, just a wrong decision confirmed after time.
However, I still see people say that H1N1 is a hoax (see below) yet it is killing people now, so is it a hoax?
Dave_NOtts
Any flu virus is unpredictable. No medical person can say with authority it will or will not mutate.
At that time the authorities had to make a decision. They called it when there was few casualties. History now tells us that the casualty figure is low when compared to seasonal flu. But was it a hoax? Nobody could say with authority it would not happen. So the authorities are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they did not invest and thousands did die then they would have been accused of not doing anything, and they would have been accused of murder by the papaers and others.
It was a risk based decision, and they called it. In my eyes it was no hoax, just a wrong decision confirmed after time.
However, I still see people say that H1N1 is a hoax (see below) yet it is killing people now, so is it a hoax?
h1n1 was a fraud sold to willing politicians by big pharma for big profits and gravy.
Dave_NOtts
Firstly, H1N1 is very real - it's an extremely virulent form of the flu virus with the potential to kill millions of people in the "at risk" target group ie the elderly, the young and people with existing respiratory or soft-tissue chronic conditions.
Secondly, it was never a pandemic in the UK, it was, and still is, a potential pandemic. If no preventative measures had been taken, there could have been many deaths but because these measures were taken, millions of pounds were spent. This is the decision that has to be made quickly, based on medical and empirical evidence, before any pandemic takes hold.
So far, few deaths have directly been attributed to H1N1, but this is either because the preventative measures were successful, or that it was never a threat. It's impossible to guess - illnesses and potential fatalities aren't so easily quantifiable, and medical science is limited in it's ability to predict the course of an unchecked or untreated virus.
Secondly, it was never a pandemic in the UK, it was, and still is, a potential pandemic. If no preventative measures had been taken, there could have been many deaths but because these measures were taken, millions of pounds were spent. This is the decision that has to be made quickly, based on medical and empirical evidence, before any pandemic takes hold.
So far, few deaths have directly been attributed to H1N1, but this is either because the preventative measures were successful, or that it was never a threat. It's impossible to guess - illnesses and potential fatalities aren't so easily quantifiable, and medical science is limited in it's ability to predict the course of an unchecked or untreated virus.
Sex God
I understood (but have failed to locate a reference) that the scientific definition of a pandemic was that it had spread to 3 or more geographically distinct regions and was then spreading within those regions.
But even against the general definition of it being globally widespread and contagious (as opposed to heart disease which is widespread but not contagious) it was clearly a pandemic.
Pandemic doesn't automatically mean every third person dies - there are an awful lot of people in the world and even just a few percent or parts of a percent results in hundreds of thousands or millions of cases.
A lot of people read 'pandemic' and their brain screams 'dead lying unburied in the streets' and when that doesn't happen they start feeling like 'someone' was trying to scare them. We could suffer a pandemic in this country and any one of us might not know anyone who is affected.
But even against the general definition of it being globally widespread and contagious (as opposed to heart disease which is widespread but not contagious) it was clearly a pandemic.
Pandemic doesn't automatically mean every third person dies - there are an awful lot of people in the world and even just a few percent or parts of a percent results in hundreds of thousands or millions of cases.
A lot of people read 'pandemic' and their brain screams 'dead lying unburied in the streets' and when that doesn't happen they start feeling like 'someone' was trying to scare them. We could suffer a pandemic in this country and any one of us might not know anyone who is affected.
Sex God
My feelings are it was over hyped at the start, whether that was the media or the government, I am not sure
Surely we can be informed of such dangers without the constant fear factor that seams to accompany so many things these days
Surely we can be informed of such dangers without the constant fear factor that seams to accompany so many things these days
Hi
If you look around you will find that some people are saying its a plan to depopulate an already over populated planet while making pharmaceutical companies trillions of pounds. They make us believe that humans have mastered dna.....if so why cant they switch off cancer or switch on immune systems in aids sufferers? I will say 1 thing....if the queen of england contracted aids i wonder how quick a cure would come about? my belief is that yes humans have already got cures for certain cancers and aids but why save lives in an already over populated system.
Before anyone even shouts conspiracy theorist read below then go find the truth yourselves
The Georgia Guidestones is a large granite monument in Elbert County, Georgia, USA. A message comprising ten guides is inscribed on the structure in eight modern languages, and a shorter message is inscribed at the top of the structure in four ancient languages' scripts: Babylonian, Classical Greek, Sanskrit, and Egyptian hieroglyphs.
The structure is sometimes referred to as an "American Stonehenge." The monument is almost 20 feet (6.1 m) tall if the buried support stones are included, exactly 18 feet (5.5 m) otherwise, and made from six granite slabs weighing more than 240,000 pounds (110,000 kg) in all. One slab stands in the center, with four arranged around it. A capstone lies on top of the five slabs, which are astronomically aligned. An additional stone tablet, which is set in the ground a short distance to the west of the structure, provides some notes on the history and purpose of the Guidestones.
A message consisting of a set of ten guidelines or principles is engraved on the Georgia Guidestones in eight different languages, one language on each face of the four large upright stones. Moving clockwise around the structure from due north, these languages are: English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic, Chinese, and Russian.
1-Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
3-Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3-Unite humanity with a living new language.
4-Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5-Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6-Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7-Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8-Balance personal rights with social duties.
9-Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10-Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.
Quote me if im wrong but maintaining a population below 500,000,000 means that 80% of us nust go.
If you look around you will find that some people are saying its a plan to depopulate an already over populated planet while making pharmaceutical companies trillions of pounds. They make us believe that humans have mastered dna.....if so why cant they switch off cancer or switch on immune systems in aids sufferers? I will say 1 thing....if the queen of england contracted aids i wonder how quick a cure would come about? my belief is that yes humans have already got cures for certain cancers and aids but why save lives in an already over populated system.
Before anyone even shouts conspiracy theorist read below then go find the truth yourselves
The Georgia Guidestones is a large granite monument in Elbert County, Georgia, USA. A message comprising ten guides is inscribed on the structure in eight modern languages, and a shorter message is inscribed at the top of the structure in four ancient languages' scripts: Babylonian, Classical Greek, Sanskrit, and Egyptian hieroglyphs.
The structure is sometimes referred to as an "American Stonehenge." The monument is almost 20 feet (6.1 m) tall if the buried support stones are included, exactly 18 feet (5.5 m) otherwise, and made from six granite slabs weighing more than 240,000 pounds (110,000 kg) in all. One slab stands in the center, with four arranged around it. A capstone lies on top of the five slabs, which are astronomically aligned. An additional stone tablet, which is set in the ground a short distance to the west of the structure, provides some notes on the history and purpose of the Guidestones.
A message consisting of a set of ten guidelines or principles is engraved on the Georgia Guidestones in eight different languages, one language on each face of the four large upright stones. Moving clockwise around the structure from due north, these languages are: English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic, Chinese, and Russian.
1-Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
3-Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3-Unite humanity with a living new language.
4-Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5-Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6-Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7-Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8-Balance personal rights with social duties.
9-Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10-Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.
Quote me if im wrong but maintaining a population below 500,000,000 means that 80% of us nust go.
Sex God
Quote by Louise4Darren
Hi
If you look around you will find that some people are saying its a plan to depopulate an already over populated planet while making pharmaceutical companies trillions of pounds. They make us believe that humans have mastered dna.....if so why cant they switch off cancer or switch on immune systems in aids sufferers? I will say 1 thing....if the queen of england contracted aids i wonder how quick a cure would come about? my belief is that yes humans have already got cures for certain cancers and aids but why save lives in an already over populated system.
Before anyone even shouts conspiracy theorist read below then go find the truth yourselves
The Georgia Guidestones is a large granite monument in Elbert County, Georgia, USA. A message comprising ten guides is inscribed on the structure in eight modern languages, and a shorter message is inscribed at the top of the structure in four ancient languages' scripts: Babylonian, Classical Greek, Sanskrit, and Egyptian hieroglyphs.
The structure is sometimes referred to as an "American Stonehenge." The monument is almost 20 feet (6.1 m) tall if the buried support stones are included, exactly 18 feet (5.5 m) otherwise, and made from six granite slabs weighing more than 240,000 pounds (110,000 kg) in all. One slab stands in the center, with four arranged around it. A capstone lies on top of the five slabs, which are astronomically aligned. An additional stone tablet, which is set in the ground a short distance to the west of the structure, provides some notes on the history and purpose of the Guidestones.
A message consisting of a set of ten guidelines or principles is engraved on the Georgia Guidestones in eight different languages, one language on each face of the four large upright stones. Moving clockwise around the structure from due north, these languages are: English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic, Chinese, and Russian.
1-Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
3-Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3-Unite humanity with a living new language.
4-Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5-Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6-Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7-Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8-Balance personal rights with social duties.
9-Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10-Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.
Quote me if im wrong but maintaining a population below 500,000,000 means that 80% of us nust go.
If you are going to copy/paste wholesale from Wikipedia, or any other website, you should acknowledge the fact.
Are you suggesting the existence of this proves something? Like the US government (or someone) is actually undertaking actions to achieve these aims? If so, their not doing a very good job are they? As far as I can see it is just a whopping great 'folly', a vanity project that a person with too much money has paid to happen and is enjoying watching gullible scratching their heads and getting all 'conspiracy-theorist' over.
If you have some actual evidence of deliberate mass killing, produce it. Don't just churn out standard tosh with no provenance or background information to support it. I'll get excited over facts, speculation bores me.
