Very true, bute in the quantities we could eat would be harmless, very true the initial reports about the possibility of bute poisoning would seem to be unfounded, possibly scaremongering, possibly alarmist, perhaps a genuine fear either way we are safe
BUT THAT BASTARDS STILL RIPPED US OFF
English, French, Polish it doesn't matter who, what matters are that these people are investigated and prosecuted where applicable and more importantl more safeguards are put into place to ensure we get what we pay for not.
And not a fan of any religion including the muslim faith I sympathise with those that believe they were eating halal meat only to find they weren't and those that believed they never ate pork but did, to these people the revelation is devastating not hillarious.
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Sex God
Just seen this cross posted on Facebook. I concur fully with the author...
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Just seen this cross posted on Facebook. I concur fully with the author...
Completely agree! :thumbup:
So it is the consumer that should be prosectued for buying the cheap products on offer, ah now I understand, it is our own faults.
You must be sat there right now in your armani jeans with your rolex watch and gucci shoes then, because I am sure you would never buy a cheaper alternative.
And trading standards should be disbanded for all their lies about fake gucci, rolex, smironoff, caviar, foi gras, ocean salmon and all the other products that they say have been sold or attempted to be sold.
It is only cheap products that are targetted by criminals.
Many fake ciggarettes, vodka, whiskey and the like are reported as containing ingredients that are downright dangerous, far more dangerous than horsemeat will ever be, the outrage is not about us eating horsemeat it is about being ripped off, if you want to sell me horseburger at the right price with the right labelling I will gladly buy it and eat it.
There is nothing wrong with farmers trying to get the price down to something I can afford and I don't blame farmers for the current problems providing what they supply is clearly labelled as what it is.
Quote by flower411
Just seen this cross posted on Facebook. I concur fully with the author...
Unfortunately, most people will simply call for more regulation rather than taking responsibility for themselves.
All I know for a fact is that if I buy something ready prepared from a supermarket it`ll probably contain something I`d rather not be eating or something that shouldn`t be there in the first place. As the man said ...some of us have being ranting on about it for years.
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You must be sat there right now in your armani jeans with your rolex watch and gucci shoes then, because I am sure you would never buy a cheaper alternative.
Oh and don't forget his big 4x4 as well Mids. If he is like all the other owners of these ' off roaders '
:lol: , he can't park it either. :twisted: Sex God
Quote by MidsCouple24
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You must be sat there right now in your armani jeans with your rolex watch and gucci shoes then, because I am sure you would never buy a cheaper alternative.
And trading standards should be disbanded for all their lies about fake gucci, rolex, smironoff, caviar, foi gras, ocean salmon and all the other products that they say have been sold or attempted to be sold.
It is only cheap products that are targetted by criminals.
Many fake ciggarettes, vodka, whiskey and the like are reported as containing ingredients that are downright dangerous, far more dangerous than horsemeat will ever be, the outrage is not about us eating horsemeat it is about being ripped off, if you want to sell me horseburger at the right price with the right labelling I will gladly buy it and eat it.
There is nothing wrong with farmers trying to get the price down to something I can afford and I don't blame farmers for the current problems providing what they supply is clearly labelled as what it is.
I think you are missing the point and confusing two different things.
Like Americans we consume colossal amounts of convenient, processed food which also happens to be very cheap. To get the prices down and retain a profit, the supply chain of the meat becomes long and convoluted and as i said in an earlier post when that chain becomes so long and the pressure so great then the process fails - either by accident or intent.
Counterfiting is an entirely different concept and subject and has nothing to do with this issue.
The end result of this is that people will pay more to get a better guarantee of quality. If it means that the budget will no longer stretch to ready made burgers, fish fingers and chicken nuggets 7 days a week - that may not actually be such a bad thing for you or your children. Saying that this is going to be a problem for those on low incomes is a cop out. On the contrary it may just encourage everyone to be a bit more creative and eat better quality food.
Back on this main topic - there are a number of people who need to be held to account:
1) The Company that packages, labels and sells the product has to be legally accountable for its content. Findus should be taken to Court as should any other manufacturer for failing in their legal responsibility.
2) Wholesale meat suppliers for accidentally or intentionally supplying incorrectly labelled products. There should be no difference in law as to whether it is accidental or intentional - there is no excuse for either.
Going forward, we the general public should be avoiding processed food - end of. As a nation, we eat too much anyway so cutting back on processed food is no bad thing. The comment about Armani jeans presumably indicates that you think I/we are rich and can therefore buy anything we want? Not so. But we eat well and we eat healthy - last two days.....
Friday
Breakfast - 1 Banana
Lunch - cous cous
Dinner - 1 Chicken leg (shared) & salad
Saturday
Breakfast - Porridge
Lunch - Greek salad with feta cheese
Dinner - Vegetable casserole (carrots, celery, onions, turnip)
That is pretty typical of our diet and it is not expensive.
On the English news today, there was a report that 'middle aged' women (whatever that means) are drinking up to 3 bottles of wine in a single evening in order to help them sleep.
That's dreadful and just as bad as setting fire to 40 ciggies a day.
It just takes willpower. Give up the ciggies and the alcohol and voila! There's enough money in the pot to buy some decent and nutritional grub in order to improve their (and their families) lifestyle.
That's dreadful and just as bad as setting fire to 40 ciggies a day.
It just takes willpower. Give up the ciggies and the alcohol and voila! There's enough money in the pot to buy some decent and nutritional grub in order to improve their (and their families) lifestyle.
Sex God
Quote by GnV
On the English news today, there was a report that 'middle aged' women (whatever that means) are drinking up to 3 bottles of wine in a single evening in order to help them sleep.
That's dreadful and just as bad as setting fire to 40 ciggies a day.
It just takes willpower. Give up the ciggies and the alcohol and voila! There's enough money in the pot to buy some decent and nutritional grub in order to improve their (and their families) lifestyle.
Just been reading the Sunday Times have we?
Quote by Too Hot
On the English news today, there was a report that 'middle aged' women (whatever that means) are drinking up to 3 bottles of wine in a single evening in order to help them sleep.
That's dreadful and just as bad as setting fire to 40 ciggies a day.
It just takes willpower. Give up the ciggies and the alcohol and voila! There's enough money in the pot to buy some decent and nutritional grub in order to improve their (and their families) lifestyle.
Just been reading the Sunday Times have we?
No, wouldn't get that until tomorrow here
I think it was the paper review this morning on SkyNews...
But, you should be more careful TH.
Giving star an insight as to which Sunday paper you take can have disastrous consequences :lol2:
Sex God
Quote by GnV
On the English news today, there was a report that 'middle aged' women (whatever that means) are drinking up to 3 bottles of wine in a single evening in order to help them sleep.
That's dreadful and just as bad as setting fire to 40 ciggies a day.
It just takes willpower. Give up the ciggies and the alcohol and voila! There's enough money in the pot to buy some decent and nutritional grub in order to improve their (and their families) lifestyle.
Just been reading the Sunday Times have we?
No, wouldn't get that until tomorrow here
I think it was the paper review this morning on SkyNews...
But, you should be more careful TH.
Giving star an insight as to which Sunday paper you take can have disastrous consequences :lol2:
The Times have a fantastic iPad App and it is free for the first month at the moment including Sunday Times.
Going forward, we the general public should be avoiding processed food - end of. As a nation, we eat too much anyway so cutting back on processed food is no bad thing. The comment about Armani jeans presumably indicates that you think I/we are rich and can therefore buy anything we want? Not so. But we eat well and we eat healthy - last two days.....
Friday
Breakfast - 1 Banana
Lunch - cous cous
Dinner - 1 Chicken leg (shared) & salad
Saturday
Breakfast - Porridge
Lunch - Greek salad with feta cheese
Dinner - Vegetable casserole (carrots, celery, onions, turnip)
That is pretty typical of our diet and it is not expensive.
No I am not refering to the fact that you "fully concur and agree" with a post which says that the blame for this problem is in the hands of the consumer who demands cheap food whilst you yourself according to your intake menu do the same and state how inexpensive your food is.
I applaud your menu, and the fact that it is cheap, you have found a healthy way of keeping food costs down with nutritional and healthy (we assume) products, well done, it is a shame that those eating processed foods cannot do the same, perhaps they have reasons why they cannot, perhaps they are too lazy, perhaps they don't realise what the alternatives are.
But according to what you say your just as guilty as those accused by the post you support in finding cheaper alternatives to decent quality expensive meats forcing farmers and food producers to look at alternative products being sold, if you support the post you have to give up your eating habits and buy quality more expensive meats to help and support them and take away their need to add things they perhaps shouldn't or use cheaper animal feeds.
You cant support the post without actively supporting the people who wrote the post.
Friday
Breakfast - 1 Banana
Lunch - cous cous
Dinner - 1 Chicken leg (shared) & salad
Saturday
Breakfast - Porridge
Lunch - Greek salad with feta cheese
Dinner - Vegetable casserole (carrots, celery, onions, turnip)
That is pretty typical of our diet and it is not expensive.
No I am not refering to the fact that you "fully concur and agree" with a post which says that the blame for this problem is in the hands of the consumer who demands cheap food whilst you yourself according to your intake menu do the same and state how inexpensive your food is.
I applaud your menu, and the fact that it is cheap, you have found a healthy way of keeping food costs down with nutritional and healthy (we assume) products, well done, it is a shame that those eating processed foods cannot do the same, perhaps they have reasons why they cannot, perhaps they are too lazy, perhaps they don't realise what the alternatives are.
But according to what you say your just as guilty as those accused by the post you support in finding cheaper alternatives to decent quality expensive meats forcing farmers and food producers to look at alternative products being sold, if you support the post you have to give up your eating habits and buy quality more expensive meats to help and support them and take away their need to add things they perhaps shouldn't or use cheaper animal feeds.
You cant support the post without actively supporting the people who wrote the post.
Sex God
Quote by MidsCouple24
Going forward, we the general public should be avoiding processed food - end of. As a nation, we eat too much anyway so cutting back on processed food is no bad thing. The comment about Armani jeans presumably indicates that you think I/we are rich and can therefore buy anything we want? Not so. But we eat well and we eat healthy - last two days.....
Friday
Breakfast - 1 Banana
Lunch - cous cous
Dinner - 1 Chicken leg (shared) & salad
Saturday
Breakfast - Porridge
Lunch - Greek salad with feta cheese
Dinner - Vegetable casserole (carrots, celery, onions, turnip)
That is pretty typical of our diet and it is not expensive.
No I am not refering to the fact that you "fully concur and agree" with a post which says that the blame for this problem is in the hands of the consumer who demands cheap food whilst you yourself according to your intake menu do the same and state how inexpensive your food is.
I applaud your menu, and the fact that it is cheap, you have found a healthy way of keeping food costs down with nutritional and healthy (we assume) products, well done, it is a shame that those eating processed foods cannot do the same, perhaps they have reasons why they cannot, perhaps they are too lazy, perhaps they don't realise what the alternatives are.
But according to what you say your just as guilty as those accused by the post you support in finding cheaper alternatives to decent quality expensive meats forcing farmers and food producers to look at alternative products being sold, if you support the post you have to give up your eating habits and buy quality more expensive meats to help and support them and take away their need to add things they perhaps shouldn't or use cheaper animal feeds.
You cant support the post without actively supporting the people who wrote the post.
I don't eat processed food and I eat a balanced amount of fish and meat with red meat being eaten probably no more than once a fortnight. We will never buy a value product of any description to consume as food or drink because the nutritional value is going to be suspect. We will only buy whole pieces of meat - chicken, pork or beef and if we choose to make our own burgers, we mince our own beef.
My point all along Mids is that the demand for cheaper food products is led by us and consequently the supermarkets cut costs, lengthen the supply chain and that opes up the system to abuse. It is better to pay more for quality food and just consume less of it.
Sex God
Quote by Too Hot
My point all along Mids is that the demand for cheaper food products is led by us and consequently the supermarkets cut costs, lengthen the supply chain and that opes up the system to abuse. It is better to pay more for quality food and just consume less of it.
In summary I think TH means 'You get what you pay for'. Cheaper products are, in almost every aspect of life, likely to be inferior to more costly products. In the case of food that usually manifests itself as fat content, less vitamins, taste etc.
Sex God
Quote by Trevaunance
My point all along Mids is that the demand for cheaper food products is led by us and consequently the supermarkets cut costs, lengthen the supply chain and that opes up the system to abuse. It is better to pay more for quality food and just consume less of it.
In summary I think TH means 'You get what you pay for'. Cheaper products are, in almost every aspect of life, likely to be inferior to more costly products. In the case of food that usually manifests itself as fat content, less vitamins, taste etc.
Indeed.
Quote by Too Hot
My point all along Mids is that the demand for cheaper food products is led by us and consequently the supermarkets cut costs, lengthen the supply chain and that opes up the system to abuse. It is better to pay more for quality food and just consume less of it.
It's never been any different, we've always wanted better value for our money, it isnt the demand we place on our supermarkets it's simply their greed coupled with the need to keep the ever hungry (pun intended) shareholders happy at dividend time, essentially the needs of the many (the masses) is secondary to the needs of the few (supermarket shareholders)
With so many loopholes in the system such as false advertising, rubbish labelling, rip-off offers/poor pricing structure/clever marketing (see The TV Watchdog Programme for constant evidence to support the aforementioned) and cos the woman/man in the street and their voice seems to carry so very little in the grand scheme of things...then we'll always get poor value for money, I suspect the margins on higher end/more expensive food stuff is much the same as the lower end stuff/cheaper stuff it's just that there are so many more people conditioned into thinking that the 'bargain offer's' really are too good to be true that the smaller voices of 'shop savvy' aint heard or particularly required.
Supermarkets are too powerful, we don't tell them anything but they'll have you think differently and where in reality they tell us what to eat, why we should eat it and they present it to us in such a manner that we simply must have it.
I 'appen to think that if you really thought and understood what you were buying (product wise) were a little less (ok a lot) driven by alleged bargains spent just a little more time when out shopping...shopping so to speak, then I reckon you could save money but eat significantly better.
I'm not that young to remember when you used to be able to buy the likes of toilet rolls in one, now it's 6 or 12 at a time (mainly) my gran used to be able to buy one egg at a time (or so she said) and so it goes on.
Quote by Trevaunance
My point all along Mids is that the demand for cheaper food products is led by us and consequently the supermarkets cut costs, lengthen the supply chain and that opes up the system to abuse. It is better to pay more for quality food and just consume less of it.
In summary I think TH means 'You get what you pay for'. Cheaper products are, in almost every aspect of life, likely to be inferior to more costly products. In the case of food that usually manifests itself as fat content, less vitamins, taste etc.
OK the article supported blames the consumer for bringing prices down, our demand made people give us horsemeat not beef and that is our fault.
The article was written by a farmer, we had the BSE problem which the farmers state was the fault of the animal feed suppliers putting products into the animal feed that caused the BSE in the cattle, I guess the producers of animal feeds would argue that it was demand by the farmers for cheaper animal feed that made them have to do what they did.
Can you see the similarity here ?
Some farmers blame BSE on the Government agreeing to allow the lowering of temperature regulations that animal feed was prepared under, who asked the government to approve the lowering of the temperature rules ? someone trying to cut production costs perhaps, someone that was under pressure from thier customers perhaps ?
The whold world wants to buy cheaper products, Supermarkets are declaring Billions of pounds in profits each fiscal term, so it is the consumer or the big companies in the chain that are demanding the lower prices.
Surely if it is our fault (the consumer) the whole chain would be "living on the edge" trying hard to balance the books, starting with the suppliers to the farmers, then the farmers, then the abbatoirs, then the processing plants, then the supermarkets then the consumer who wants the cheaper products.
Each one demanding cheaper from the next link in the chain.
But I still don't see the relvevance of all this talk of "buying cheap budget brands" being the cause of the problem, the problem is one of criminal activity, people trying to make money illegally. I dont consider Findus or Burger King for example to be budget products. processed food is anything in a tin, almost all dairy products, even the meat in the award winning butchers gets processed, often colourings are added to make the meat look more apetizing, Morrisons "BEST" range, Asda's EXTRA SPECIAL range and all the other supermarkets are still selling processed foods and they all contain E number products that arent so good for us.
The best quality steak you have ever eaten may have contained BSE at one time and may again, processed foods and cheaper products are not the only targets of criminals, Wild alaskan salmon being sold has been found to contain farmed Salmon, the Ham on pizzas accross the whole market spectrum has recently found to be made from chicken. A lot of Cod sold fresh and in chip shops has proved to be some Vietnamese fish I cant remember the name of.
And we all know that Vodka, Gucci, Armani, Ciggarettes and the like are the more usual targets for fraudsters as is foi gras and caviar it's not just the food or drink we buy, apparently the amount of Egyptian Cotton sold in the UK alone outstrips the amount of Egytian cotton produced in entirety let alone taking out of the equation how much egyptian cotton is sold to the rest of the world.
We have people saying the only way to stop it is to be vegan, how long before the vegan products are the target of criminals as we already know the organic market is a target.
The fraudsters and criminals do not need lengthy supply chains to ply thier trade they will seek out the weak links in the checks.
And has anyone ever thought, maybe putting horsemeat into the burgers is improving the quality because it is lowering the price enough for them not to have to put other things in that might be more harmfull to us ?
Most here have said they havent a problem with it being horsemeat but with it being labelled as something else.
Sex God
I'm not really sure what your point is Jed tbh. Your last post seems to ramble quite a bit.
Sex God
I can follow it GnV, but I don't see a point to it. Are we seriously going to blame criminals for supermarkets selling goods at a low price?
Surely the supermarket decides on a product suitable for the target market and sells it at the appropriate target market price. For example Tesco's sell 'Value' then 'Tesco's own' then 'Tesco's finest' in order of ascending price. They wouldn't sell finest at value prices as the profit margins would be too small or may not be there at all.
However we as consumers walk into Tesco's and spend according to our means. Some people simply cannot afford finest prices and so they look at goods at the other end of the market. No suprise there I'm sure and I reckon that we can all relate to that simple fact. So from a business point of view Tesco would be shooting itself in the foot if it were to increase the prices of the value range so much that people refused to buy it wouldn't they. I'm sure that every one of us has at some time seen something we want but thought that the cost was too much (I know I have and that's why I drive a Peugeot not a Ferrari).
So Tesco says to a range of suppliers 'we want to sell a steak and kidney pie in our value range for £1, what can you offer us?' The supplier says 'You can have mine for 80p'. The total cost of making each pie is 60p, which he pays his supplier, and they in turn pay 40p to there suppliers, who pay 20p to the abattoir, who pay 10p to the farmer. (Yes, I know this is simplified). The final pie turns out to not be steak and kidney, but snake and pygmy. This is not the fault of Tesco, provided they checked their supplier. It is not the fault of the farmer either, after all he supplied the cow direct to the abattoir. But someone along the chain has changed the ingredients and is committing fraud, however they haven't set the price that the supermarket sells at, or the price that we as consumers are willing to pay.
Surely the supermarket decides on a product suitable for the target market and sells it at the appropriate target market price. For example Tesco's sell 'Value' then 'Tesco's own' then 'Tesco's finest' in order of ascending price. They wouldn't sell finest at value prices as the profit margins would be too small or may not be there at all.
However we as consumers walk into Tesco's and spend according to our means. Some people simply cannot afford finest prices and so they look at goods at the other end of the market. No suprise there I'm sure and I reckon that we can all relate to that simple fact. So from a business point of view Tesco would be shooting itself in the foot if it were to increase the prices of the value range so much that people refused to buy it wouldn't they. I'm sure that every one of us has at some time seen something we want but thought that the cost was too much (I know I have and that's why I drive a Peugeot not a Ferrari).
So Tesco says to a range of suppliers 'we want to sell a steak and kidney pie in our value range for £1, what can you offer us?' The supplier says 'You can have mine for 80p'. The total cost of making each pie is 60p, which he pays his supplier, and they in turn pay 40p to there suppliers, who pay 20p to the abattoir, who pay 10p to the farmer. (Yes, I know this is simplified). The final pie turns out to not be steak and kidney, but snake and pygmy. This is not the fault of Tesco, provided they checked their supplier. It is not the fault of the farmer either, after all he supplied the cow direct to the abattoir. But someone along the chain has changed the ingredients and is committing fraud, however they haven't set the price that the supermarket sells at, or the price that we as consumers are willing to pay.
The consumer drives the prices forever downwards. Supermarkets are competing with each others customers every minute of every day. Customers are always looking for a cheaper and cheaper deal, and so the price of a pie can only go so low.
I think people in general realise and understand that a pie for 50p is not going to be 5 star quality, but what they do expect is to be eating what it clearly states on the label. I was under the understanding, wrongly I now know,that supermarkets were regularly checking their suppliers and the quality of the products they are putting onto their shelves......obviously not as good at checks as they are on promising cut prices.
I think too much trust has been placed on others expecting everyone else to be doing their job both properly and honestly. Now we know that has not been happening there needs to be a new regulatory body that oversees the FSA, as they clearly have been lacking in their job description.
I think people in general realise and understand that a pie for 50p is not going to be 5 star quality, but what they do expect is to be eating what it clearly states on the label. I was under the understanding, wrongly I now know,that supermarkets were regularly checking their suppliers and the quality of the products they are putting onto their shelves......obviously not as good at checks as they are on promising cut prices.
I think too much trust has been placed on others expecting everyone else to be doing their job both properly and honestly. Now we know that has not been happening there needs to be a new regulatory body that oversees the FSA, as they clearly have been lacking in their job description.
Sex God
Or perhaps the FSA should be rerolled into the agency we all thought they were and be doing the job we all thought they were.
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The consumer drives the prices forever downwards.
You're just so wrong, to the point where the supermarkets have got you just so right, they want us to think its us the Public determining the prices, twill sit ever so nice when they roll out the upcoming excuses for the lates geegee shenanigans and the line you 'the comsumer' drives the prices forever downwards'
The consumer does not drive the prices down cos if it was the case they'd be taking note of the millions out there complaining of the constant price rises and do something honest about it like lessening their profit margins, cutting their cloth like all other business seem to be doing/have done...but they aint cos they're expanding and in a lot of cases and because some areas suffering supermarket saturation won't allow them to expand outwardly the likes of Tesco have been building 2nd floors etc and still it's rammed to the hilt when it re-opens (one by me reopened late last year, twice the size, still packed to the ceiling)
Quantity over quality = profit
This dated link says a lot, particuarly re the Govt's comments, supermarkets know they aint gonna be beaten up by the Govt
and this site for help...
--- bloomin excellent site
So Toots if Tesco are charging for a ham and mushroom pie, and Morrison's are doing the same pie for where will the shoppers go to ? So the shopper then goes to Morrison's for their pies and then Tesco realises this and so reduces the price of that pie down to Morrison's then hear about it and............yes you've guessed it.
In the end something just has to give and the quality of the food goes down. Less meat now in that same pie but the same price etc. Supermarkets are forever at war with each other and for them all to survive in a cut throat market, they just keep on bringing down prices on things that sell well. So it is consumer driven on certain items to get the price as low as possible, but it is then what is in the item that is the worry as we have now been finding out.
In the end something just has to give and the quality of the food goes down. Less meat now in that same pie but the same price etc. Supermarkets are forever at war with each other and for them all to survive in a cut throat market, they just keep on bringing down prices on things that sell well. So it is consumer driven on certain items to get the price as low as possible, but it is then what is in the item that is the worry as we have now been finding out.
Quote by starlightcouple
So Toots if Tesco are charging for a ham and mushroom pie, and Morrison's are doing the same pie for where will the shoppers go to ? So the shopper then goes to Morrison's for their pies and then Tesco realises this and so reduces the price of that pie down to Morrison's then hear about it and............yes you've guessed it.
They don't drop the price cos the consumer might go elsewhere, they drop them to compete with each other, the consumer is just the pawn.
As for the contents of what you eat, who really knows what is in processed food, the stuff is muck so assume it's muck.
Sex God
Quote by starlightcouple
So Toots if Tesco are charging for a ham and mushroom pie, and Morrison's are doing the same pie for where will the shoppers go to ? So the shopper then goes to Morrison's for their pies and then Tesco realises this and so reduces the price of that pie down to Morrison's then hear about it and............yes you've guessed it.
That principle works only so far. if Morrisons are permanently selling it at the reduced price and people always go there for the pie then it's a sound principle. Many companies however sell something called 'loss leaders'. This involves selling something at a bargain price to entice people into the store, and then when they are there they buy other related products at a higher than market price so the shop is in profit overall. Taking the pie as an example, what would you eat with it? chips? peas? beans? maybe a lager to wash it down with? what about sauce?
You see how the loss leader principle works?
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So Toots if Tesco are charging for a ham and mushroom pie, and Morrison's are doing the same pie for where will the shoppers go to ? So the shopper then goes to Morrison's for their pies and then Tesco realises this and so reduces the price of that pie down to Morrison's then hear about it and............yes you've guessed it.
They don't drop the price cos the consumer might go elsewhere, they drop them to compete with each other, the consumer is just the pawn.
As for the contents of what you eat, who really knows what is in processed food, the stuff is muck so assume it's muck.
I have to ask if you know what processed food is ?
Do you eat baked beans ? do you buy the beans, bake them add a home made sauce and serve them, or do you buy the processed beans supplied in tins, those that have been harvested, washed, baked bleached (they are black originally) colourings and taste enhancers added, flavour added, salt and more added, then tinned.
Very few food products we buy are unprocessed.
Almost all dairy products are processed, even the best steak can have colourings added to make it more appealing.
The word processed is not descriptive enough to discuss this subject, some are saying it is only cheap products that are being targetted yet I dont consider Burger King, Findus and the like to be budget food, some say it is only processed food which as I said is just about everything.
What we have to fear is the criminals, some farmers are criminals, probably very few but they are there.
But if you accept the argument that it is a desire by the consumer for cheap products that is causing the problem. how come supermarkets (accused of driving the price down from farmers, abbatiors and meat processing plants) are reporting big increases in profits almost every fiscal year ?
Why aren't supermarkets having a go at the consumers and saying we are struggling to make a profit because you wont pay for better quality goods like farmers are ?
i ate horse in france and to be honest didnt batter an eyelid.
we are to blame for all of this because we are greedy and demand cheaper food prices.
so you have to put up with suppliers cutting corners and serving up something which looks like it says on the packet.
supermarkets hammer farmers and meat suppliers who in turn make less profits while asda and tescos ramp up the prices.
so rats milk,cheeses and horse burgers have to be expected.
value range foods are just that.
we are to blame for all of this because we are greedy and demand cheaper food prices.
so you have to put up with suppliers cutting corners and serving up something which looks like it says on the packet.
supermarkets hammer farmers and meat suppliers who in turn make less profits while asda and tescos ramp up the prices.
so rats milk,cheeses and horse burgers have to be expected.
value range foods are just that.
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i ate horse in france and to be honest didnt batter an eyelid.
we are to blame for all of this because we are greedy and demand cheaper food prices.
so you have to put up with suppliers cutting corners and serving up something which looks like it says on the packet.
supermarkets hammer farmers and meat suppliers who in turn make less profits while asda and tescos ramp up the prices.
so rats milk,cheeses and horse burgers have to be expected.
value range foods are just that.
If you feel that way you should report to your local police station and give yourself up as there is a crimnal investigation into this matter which is currently ongoing.
Your admission that you are responsible for selling horsemeat that you have labelled as beef is very enlightening, I haven't done that so whilst I have probably eaten it without my knowledge (and often with my knowledge) I will not be confessing to anything.
We try to get everything cheaper but this has nothing to do with wanting our salaries to go further, this is a criminal act of selling something as one thing when it is actually something else, that is illegal.
We have all been stupid, we all thought that the people who instigated the fraud were the guilty ones when actually they were just giving us what we asked for.
It seems though that most of those that buy cheaper products, do so because they live on a limited budget and that each of us pays as much as we can afford for the food we eat.
Personally, as I have said before, I have never considered Findus or Burger King to be budget food, fast food yes, processed food yes, but cheap, absolutely not, I do consider Supermarket own brands, Budget buys and the like to be cheaper alternatives and have never expected them to be the same as unprocessed foods or High Street named brands.
What I don't understand though is: if it is the public that demands the cheap products and force supermarkets to sell us counterfeit food, how come those on low budgets are still on low budgets yet supermarkets are reporting rises in profits almost every year.
I think some people may think that supermarkets are taking advantage of thier purchasing power to get the lowest prices out of farmers, abatoirs and processing plants whilst at the same time taking advantage of people on low budgets by supplying low quality foodstuffs that they don't bother to check properly for content.
Also, if this is all down to the publics demand for lower priced products how come it is not just lower priced products that are the targets for fraud ?
Vodka, Whiskey, Ciggarettes, Organic fruit and Veg, Perfume, Designer Clothes, Designers Shoes, Designer Watches, Designer Handbags, Foi Gras, Eygptian Cotton, Ham (on pizzas) Cod (sold as Cod but actually Vietnamese Cobler) Caviar, Champagne and many other goods are regularly reported as being targetted by fraudsters and well you know it.
Even if you were correct in what you say, what gives a criminal the right to sell horsemeat as beef no matter what pressure is put on anybody to sell us beef cheaper ? if a burglar robs you tomorrow will you ignore the break in believing it to be his right to do so because you like nice things in your home and didn't build yourself an impregnable fortress ?
What say you now ?
