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Quote by MidsCouple24
i ate horse in france and to be honest didnt batter an eyelid.
we are to blame for all of this because we are greedy and demand cheaper food prices.
so you have to put up with suppliers cutting corners and serving up something which looks like it says on the packet.
supermarkets hammer farmers and meat suppliers who in turn make less profits while asda and tescos ramp up the prices.
so rats milk,cheeses and horse burgers have to be expected.
value range foods are just that.

If you feel that way you should report to your local police station and give yourself up as there is a crimnal investigation into this matter which is currently ongoing.
Your admission that you are responsible for selling horsemeat that you have labelled as beef is very enlightening, I haven't done that so whilst I have probably eaten it without my knowledge (and often with my knowledge) I will not be confessing to anything.

:confused:
Where did Ty admit to being responsible for selling horsemeat that he had labelled as beef?
His only admission was to eating it with full knowledge in France where horsemeat is freely available and labeled as such.
Or did I miss something?
Quote by GnV
Where did Ty admit to being responsible for selling horsemeat that he had labelled as beef?
His only admission was to eating it with full knowledge in France where horsemeat is freely available and labeled as such.
Or did I miss something?

:thumbup: You beat me to it!
Quote by GnV

If you feel that way you should report to your local police station and give yourself up as there is a crimnal investigation into this matter which is currently ongoing.
Your admission that you are responsible for selling horsemeat that you have labelled as beef is very enlightening, I haven't done that so whilst I have probably eaten it without my knowledge (and often with my knowledge) I will not be confessing to anything.

:confused:
Where did Ty admit to being responsible for selling horsemeat that he had labelled as beef?
His only admission was to eating it with full knowledge in France where horsemeat is freely available and labeled as such.
Or did I miss something?
Quote by tyracer
i ate horse in france and to be honest didnt batter an eyelid.
we are to blame for all of this because we are greedy and demand cheaper food prices.
so you have to put up with suppliers cutting corners and serving up something which looks like it says on the packet.
supermarkets hammer farmers and meat suppliers who in turn make less profits while asda and tescos ramp up the prices.
so rats milk,cheeses and horse burgers have to be expected.
value range foods are just that.

bolt
Quote by M1ssVery

If you feel that way you should report to your local police station and give yourself up as there is a crimnal investigation into this matter which is currently ongoing.
Your admission that you are responsible for selling horsemeat that you have labelled as beef is very enlightening, I haven't done that so whilst I have probably eaten it without my knowledge (and often with my knowledge) I will not be confessing to anything.

:confused:
Where did Ty admit to being responsible for selling horsemeat that he had labelled as beef?
His only admission was to eating it with full knowledge in France where horsemeat is freely available and labeled as such.
Or did I miss something?
Quote by tyracer
i ate horse in france and to be honest didnt batter an eyelid.
we are to blame for all of this because we are greedy and demand cheaper food prices.
so you have to put up with suppliers cutting corners and serving up something which looks like it says on the packet.
supermarkets hammer farmers and meat suppliers who in turn make less profits while asda and tescos ramp up the prices.
so rats milk,cheeses and horse burgers have to be expected.
value range foods are just that.

bolt
Nope, don't get the link M1ss. Ty didn't admit to selling horsemeat and labelling it as beef.
He also refuted any contention that he battered eyelids. However, I have yet to see any in the local French markets wink
Tenuous link admittedly between doing it and admitting blame for it. But that's usually enough for the Met to pull someone in...
If someone does something criminal and someone says "we are all to blame for this" I believe this to be an admission of guilt in part or in whole.
He believes that he as a part of many to be responsible, I don't believe I am to be responsible in any way whatsoever despite eating budget processed food products.
I do not think I am responsible for Rover going out of business because I didn't buy a Rover car but bought a foreign one instead, I will not be held responsible for the crimnal acts of others and I won't be held responsible for companies being undable to keep trading, I feel sorry for Rover car workers and I feel sorry for farmers but it is the supermarkets reaping the rewards not me.
He made a statement saying he had eaten horsemeat in France, something many of us have stated including myself, he then in the next paragraph went on to say that we are all to blame for this situation because of our demand for cheap meat.
Quote by tyracer
we are to blame for all of this because we are greedy and demand cheaper food prices.

This seems like a perfectly reasonable statement. It is merely saying that as consumers we have demanded cheaper products and as a result a third party has found a cheaper ingredient. It certainly is not an admission of guilt for selling horse labelled as beef.
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Quote by MidsCouple24
I do not think I am responsible for Rover going out of business because I didn't buy a Rover car but bought a foreign one instead

If you really must go off on a tangent then at least make it a sensible one. Rover cars went under because people didn't buy enough of their vehicles to keep the firm afloat. So by not buying one, you did contribute to the failure of the company, and strengthened the position of it's competitors.
Rover Cars is not out of business, it was sold to Ford by BMW who licenced the Rover name and MG Rover to a consortium called Phoenix. Following Phoenix's poorly run company called MG Rover Group, the business set up to sell cars under the MG and Rover branding, going under the name was then taken back by Ford. All names associated with Rover were then protected under licence.
In 2008 Ford Motor Corp. sold Rover to Tata group, along with Jaguar Land Rover and thereby protecting Rover further.
If ever Tata invest in Rover like they have with JLR then the Rover will be the iconic British car to buy yet again.
oooh Tangentially speaking that was a humdinger...but back to the horsemeat in hand...I've just landed in Dublin and have refused the dobbinburger just presented to me!
Pleasure to be of service Trev...I'm a bit of a Roverphile at heart having owned several and still have 2 now.
Though admittedly both built by their subsidary company in Solihull and not off the production lines of Cowley and Longbridge.
Quote by Rogue_Trader
Pleasure to be of service Trev...I'm a bit of a Roverphile at heart having owned several and still have 2 now.
Though admittedly both built by their subsidary company in Solihull and not off the production lines of Cowley and Longbridge.

As a boy, I used to get a lift to school with a teacher who had a Rover 90....
Can still smell the leather seats this day.
I once sat in Harold Wilson's Prime Ministerial Rover 90 comete with specially designed ashtray for his pipe (long after his retirement).
Quote by Rogue_Trader
Pleasure to be of service Trev...I'm a bit of a Roverphile at heart having owned several and still have 2 now.

I prefer cat's myself lol
Quote by Trevaunance
Pleasure to be of service Trev...I'm a bit of a Roverphile at heart having owned several and still have 2 now.

I prefer cat's myself lol
A jaaaaag man...eh Trev?? lol you got the sheepskin coat to go with??
Quote by Rogue_Trader
Pleasure to be of service Trev...I'm a bit of a Roverphile at heart having owned several and still have 2 now.

I prefer cat's myself lol
A jaaaaag man...eh Trev?? lol you got the sheepskin coat to go with??
No, but I do have a couple of peugout's. smile
Quote by Trevaunance
Pleasure to be of service Trev...I'm a bit of a Roverphile at heart having owned several and still have 2 now.

I prefer cat's myself lol
A jaaaaag man...eh Trev?? lol you got the sheepskin coat to go with??
No, but I do have a couple of peugout's. smile
The lion doth roar!...well actually a tiny squeak these days. The 205T16 was an epic machine :-(
Quote by Rogue_Trader
Pleasure to be of service Trev...I'm a bit of a Roverphile at heart having owned several and still have 2 now.

I prefer cat's myself lol
A jaaaaag man...eh Trev?? lol you got the sheepskin coat to go with??
No, but I do have a couple of peugout's. smile
The lion doth roar!...well actually a tiny squeak these days. The 205T16 was an epic machine :-(
Yes probably not the best example and I did love my Rover 75 and was dissapointed not to be able to replace it with another one after it had done its 15,000 miles that is my set point for changing my car.
But I stand by what I say that it is not the consumers that have caused this situation and I offer as proof the fact that loads of middle priced and expensive products are also targetted by fraudsters, criminals simply hit any target that they can, in this instance they found that they could supply horsemeat at beef prices and make good money out if it, and to make this possible they found that supermarkets were using long chains of supply where checks were not made on exactly what was being purchased and processed. they targetted processed meat products not cheap meat products, some of those processed products are undeniably cheap but not all, Findus is not a budget brand, burger king is not a budget burger.
And I stand by what I say that farmers are losing out to Supermarkets not consummers, of course we want cheap products, some people have to budget to the extreme, but the supermarkets are still making huge profits out of driving farmers prices down.
Quote by MidsCouple24
But I stand by what I say that it is not the consumers that have caused this situation and I offer as proof the fact that loads of middle priced and expensive products are also targetted by fraudsters, criminals simply hit any target that they can, in this instance they found that they could supply horsemeat at beef prices and make good money out if it, and to make this possible they found that supermarkets were using long chains of supply where checks were not made on exactly what was being purchased and processed. they targetted processed meat products not cheap meat products, some of those processed products are undeniably cheap but not all, Findus is not a budget brand, burger king is not a budget burger.

There are far better business minds than mine that use this forum, however I suspect the quote in bold is incorrect. You mentioned Findus, so I'll use your example. If Tesco wants to sell Findus products then they may buy them direct from Findus, although I suspect there is at least one intermediary. Essentially they are buying the finished product. Given the long and convoluted supply chain we have seen in the news recently from farmer to abattoir to factory then the final product, via many different traders and intermediaries; Is it really the fault of the supermarket? They aren't the ones with the long supply chain.
Quote by Trevaunance
But I stand by what I say that it is not the consumers that have caused this situation and I offer as proof the fact that loads of middle priced and expensive products are also targetted by fraudsters, criminals simply hit any target that they can, in this instance they found that they could supply horsemeat at beef prices and make good money out if it, and to make this possible they found that supermarkets were using long chains of supply where checks were not made on exactly what was being purchased and processed. they targetted processed meat products not cheap meat products, some of those processed products are undeniably cheap but not all, Findus is not a budget brand, burger king is not a budget burger.

There are far better business minds than mine that use this forum, however I suspect the quote in bold is incorrect. You mentioned Findus, so I'll use your example. If Tesco wants to sell Findus products then they may buy them direct from Findus, although I suspect there is at least one intermediary. Essentially they are buying the finished product. Given the long and convoluted supply chain we have seen in the news recently from farmer to abattoir to factory then the final product, via many different traders and intermediaries; Is it really the fault of the supermarket? They aren't the ones with the long supply chain.
:thumbup: yep and some of those traders are downright rogues!
Thing this one has got twisted and confusing, people have said that budget/cheap processed food is to blame not least through long supply chains to get them onto the shcelves usually as own brand produce, I have said I do NOT consider Findus to be budget/cheap products.
I said it was the fault of the supermarkets not the consumer in answer to the allegation that is is the consumers fault that prices have been driven down, when I believe that those who have to buy budget products through circumstance are still in that position whilst supermarkets who are often the ones pushing farmers for the cheaper products are still making huge profits.
Quote by MidsCouple24
I said it was the fault of the supermarkets not the consumer in answer to the allegation that is is the consumers fault that prices have been driven down, when I believe that those who have to buy budget products through circumstance are still in that position whilst supermarkets who are often the ones pushing farmers for the cheaper products are still making huge profits.

Huge profits? profit margin of 4% is not huge! Turnovers are in the billions but most are lucky if they see between £100 to 150 million.
To the average person who doesn't deal in millions, then yes they must seem huge, but they aren't. not when you look at the investment and cashflow required to support the business.
Business requires two things; a market and a product. The market in this case is the consumer's requirement for cheap value meals. Supermarkets have the product which they are able to offer. Now this price has to be competitive to attract consumers from other supermarkets. So what is the supermarket left to do but to put pressure on its supply chain to cut costs. that is the crux of any business. I have the same from my customers that demands savings year on year on what I supply. But and this is the big but, my quality has to remain!
So I look at different innovations I can bring to bear like new technology, new processes in the manufacturing or application of the product.
Supermarkets aren't evil no matter what farmers or small shopkeepers will have you believe. Farmers and small shopkeepers just need to think "out of box" to compete.
i'm just worried once the horsemeat is out, beef is not gonna taste so good.. lol
Quote by M1ssVery
i'm just worried once the horsemeat is out, beef is not gonna taste so good.. lol

lol, yeah go back to being bland...
Hamburgers were never made with ham...so why did we think beef lasagne shoulda been made with it..?
j/k btw...I know what the ingredients stated!
Quote by Rogue_Trader
I said it was the fault of the supermarkets not the consumer in answer to the allegation that is is the consumers fault that prices have been driven down, when I believe that those who have to buy budget products through circumstance are still in that position whilst supermarkets who are often the ones pushing farmers for the cheaper products are still making huge profits.

Huge profits? profit margin of 4% is not huge! Turnovers are in the billions but most are lucky if they see between £100 to 150 million.
To the average person who doesn't deal in millions, then yes they must seem huge, but they aren't. not when you look at the investment and cashflow required to support the business.
Business requires two things; a market and a product. The market in this case is the consumer's requirement for cheap value meals. Supermarkets have the product which they are able to offer. Now this price has to be competitive to attract consumers from other supermarkets. So what is the supermarket left to do but to put pressure on its supply chain to cut costs. that is the crux of any business. I have the same from my customers that demands savings year on year on what I supply. But and this is the big but, my quality has to remain!
So I look at different innovations I can bring to bear like new technology, new processes in the manufacturing or application of the product.
Supermarkets aren't evil no matter what farmers or small shopkeepers will have you believe. Farmers and small shopkeepers just need to think "out of box" to compete.

Asda sees 6% rise in profits in 2012
Asda's operating profits rise by £51m to £857m on sales of £21bn
Yes they spend a lot to make what they do, but haven't spent it they got £857 million pound last year, some will go into future investment of course but the rest ...... a nice little earner for the shareholders.
I think there a lot of businesses that dream of a 6% rise in profits under the current economic climate.
If you are happy with your financial situation why begrudge investors making money to improve their financial situation?
Out of interest, did you look further than the Because later in the article you copy and pasted from it says 'Like-for-like sales, excluding petrol and VAT, rose 0.5%, which was better than the near 1% decline reported by market leader Tesco in the year to February'. Hardly a land of milk and honey.
Quote by MidsCouple24
Asda sees 6% rise in profits in 2012
Asda's operating profits rise by £51m to £857m on sales of £21bn
Yes they spend a lot to make what they do, but haven't spent it they got £857 million pound last year, some will go into future investment of course but the rest ...... a nice little earner for the shareholders.
I think there a lot of businesses that dream of a 6% rise in profits under the current economic climate.

857 million divided by 21 billion = 4%
The 6% is the difference between last years profit and this years.
By the way that £857m is EBITDA so an awful lot of tax and other deductibles have yet to come off it.
Shareholders in ASDA are everyone, pension funds, insurance companies, banks, independents, private individuals just like you and me.
Its typical of a Brit to knock anyone who makes more than him!
Thank you Britain....

rotflmao
More importantly G they are having it fresh.
Wouldnt mind trying the horse tartare meself...
Quote by flower411
Thing this one has got twisted and confusing, people have said that budget/cheap processed food is to blame not least through long supply chains to get them onto the shcelves usually as own brand produce, I have said I do NOT consider Findus to be budget/cheap products.
I said it was the fault of the supermarkets not the consumer in answer to the allegation that is is the consumers fault that prices have been driven down, when I believe that those who have to buy budget products through circumstance are still in that position whilst supermarkets who are often the ones pushing farmers for the cheaper products are still making huge profits.

The only circumstance that makes people buy budget processed food is laziness.
It would be far cheaper to buy the ingredients and make your own. One would also have the advantage of knowing what you are buying.

I can't fully agree with you here flower not really not for most things. I make a point of cooking from fresh produce and also baking bread making pasta pastry,cakes etc. portion for portion i find it almost without exception more expensive to cook from scratch.
There is a case I guess that if cooking in bulk then it becomes less expensive but to achieve the same diversity of interesting tasty meals I really do find it more expensive to cook from scratch. I still do cook though as it is far and away tastier and more nutritional together with the idea that I am doing something functional and important for my family in a personal way and with consideration and love. It might sound a small thing too some that I can show affection this way but I think I do.
The ONLY reason, that's a very wide sweeping statement.
Perhaps the disabled and old folks are lazy, I personally don't think so, I think many of them rely on processed foods out of necessity, maybe the blind are lazy, I have never thought so but you must know more than me.
Perhaps the women who take their kids to school then go off to work, come home clean the house, take care of the kids and cook the meals, prepare the packed lunches and do all the other jobs are lazy ........
I sympathise with them, I rarely eat processed "quickie meals" myself because I cook in bulk, I have 5 freezer because of our guest house and because what we serve our guests is important for our future business I am very selective in what I buy, I am lucky to have a farm shop just a few hundred yards from home, our eggs are never more than 2 days old, our sauaages and bacon are from local animals, but we still have to serve processed food in the form of beans, tinned tomatoes, Haggis, kippers, yoghurt, cereals, cereal bars and such but the black pudding white pudding is made locally on the farm, the jams are home made, I use Morrisons for most of what I buy so croissant, brioche crepes, waffles, pancakes, oatcakes, crumpets and such are often made in the store, I have even started experimenting with making my own hash browns to give some variety the American way with cheese and onion browns etc. the farm shop supplies tomatoes, mushrooms, lettuce and other fresh fruit and vegetables.
I will no longer use Kebab/burger/curry houses for my own quick snacks.
I was quite surprised at how low supermarket profits actually are but at least they are making a profit bless em, it makes me wonder though, if they make so little and part of that reason is because they have to sell a lot of budget ranges to get people in, why do they sell them ? I know about loss leaders and such but for all the cost of opening the doors it does now in light of information given, simply seem, not worth the hassle.