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If I was starving to death and drinking contaminated water I`m sure that the slight possibility that food had a bit of Bute in it would be furthest from my mind.
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If I was starving to death and drinking contaminated water I`m sure that the slight possibility that food had a bit of Bute in it would be furthest from my mind.
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like flower id have no problem eating horse meat provided its stated its horse before i eat it.
a good pigeon breast is as good as any fillet steak you will buy from any bucher for richness and taste but feral pigeon is considered toxic waste where as a woody is not due to diet
my concern would look past the horse meat, if thats made it into the food chain then why not meat that's not fit for human consuption, we just wouldn't know
a good pigeon breast is as good as any fillet steak you will buy from any bucher for richness and taste but feral pigeon is considered toxic waste where as a woody is not due to diet
my concern would look past the horse meat, if thats made it into the food chain then why not meat that's not fit for human consuption, we just wouldn't know
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Actually, the issue I was trying to address was the fact that we are now destroying perfectly good food. The labelling of the food and how it got there is irrelevent.
Really? Not according to our democratically elected PM. Cameron states that the labeling is more than relevant. Cameron states ' this isn't about food safety but about proper food labeling & confidence in retailers '. :thumbup:
Quote by flower411
I know people are going to start harping on about Bute entering the food chain but I`d hazard a guess that horses that are being kept to be turned into meat products are unlikely to have been given expensive stuff like Bute !
Hazarding at a guess is a irresponsible approach to take. Ask most parents about the possibility of Bute in horse meat and would they give horse meat to their children with that possible risk, I think you would be hard found to find a single parent that would, with maybe the exception of you.
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If I was starving to death and drinking contaminated water I`m sure that the slight possibility that food had a bit of Bute in it would be furthest from my mind.
Who is starving to death? What a silly and ridiculous comparison to make.
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Here`s a little scenario....
You and your children are starving to death, you've seen thousands of people die around you from malnutrition and then some bloke toting an AK47 comes along and tells you that there are people not so far away who are throwing away food because they have some namby pamby idea about not eating horses.
How would you feel towards the next lot of well fed charity workers that turned up in their nice new 4x4 ?
I have eaten horse knowingly,it is good and I have no problem with eating it. It seams more of us than we thought have done so unknowingly.
The only problem I see is the fact people have been miss-lead by labeling. Solve this problem, go to your local butcher
Your right I reckon, it is more about the choice being taken away from us and properly labeled food than anything else. I think if I had an opportunity to try it knowingly, I would (the meat looks lovely and lean - used to watch the tigers been fed when I lived on the local Zoo's breeding estate years ago, the guy who had it on his lorry offered me a leg
). I've eaten kangaroo, emu, croc etc...because I was okay about trying it. My choice. If I had to kill it, cook it, eat it....another matter all together (anyone ever watch that programme?). Sex God
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Here`s a little scenario....
You and your children are starving to death, you've seen thousands of people die around you from malnutrition and then some bloke toting an AK47 comes along and tells you that there are people not so far away who are throwing away food because they have some namby pamby idea about not eating horses.
How would you feel towards the next lot of well fed charity workers that turned up in their nice new 4x4 ?
I have eaten horse knowingly,it is good and I have no problem with eating it. It seams more of us than we thought have done so unknowingly.
The only problem I see is the fact people have been miss-lead by labeling. Solve this problem, go to your local butcher
Your right I reckon, it is more about the choice being taken away from us and properly labeled food than anything else. I think if I had an opportunity to try it knowingly, I would (the meat looks lovely and lean - used to watch the tigers been fed when I lived on the local Zoo's breeding estate years ago, the guy who had it on his lorry offered me a leg
). I've eaten kangaroo, emu, croc etc...because I was okay about trying it. My choice. If I had to kill it, cook it, eat it....another matter all together (anyone ever watch that programme?).Yes have watched the program, and enjoy watching people squirm on it :lol: The thing is for me, much of the food I eat has been killed and prepared by my own hand. It is a wonderful feeling and you know where it came from and its life was a good one
So many people have lost touch and forgotten that the meat was once an animal at all
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So many people have lost touch and forgotten that the meat was once an animal at all
That reminds me of something from over 35 years ago....
My young nephews were visiting us with their parents. At the time, we lived in a huge pea growing area in east anglia and they lived ooop norf around Manchester.
We proposed going to a pea farm to buy some pods for shelling and freezing taking the boys with us (who were about 8 at the time) but their mother (my SIL) looked absolutely horrified! "Absolutely not" she said." They'd be mortified if they found out that peas don't come from tins!" She added "they'll probably never eat peas again if they found out"
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Quote by GnV
So many people have lost touch and forgotten that the meat was once an animal at all
That reminds me of something from over 35 years ago....
My young nephews were visiting us with their parents. At the time, we lived in a huge pea growing area in east anglia and they lived ooop norf around Manchester.
We proposed going to a pea farm to buy some pods for shelling and freezing taking the boys with us (who were about 8 at the time) but their mother (my SIL) looked absolutely horrified! "Absolutely not" she said." They'd be mortified if they found out that peas don't come from tins!" She added "they'll probably never eat peas again if they found out"
Great story Gnv
A similar story happened to me many years ago, I had, at the time ferreting rights to keep the rabbit population down on a local council owned picnic area.
At the end of the morning I had about 10 or so rabbits, hocked through the back legs,and hung over a fence near the land-rover for the meat to cool. I was approached by the council on the Monday to ask if I could be more discreet with the rabbits as there had been a complaint. A person had been walking there dog with there young son, who it seams had been very badly distressed by seeing the dead rabbits. I bet they went from there to the local supermarket and walked through a whole isle of dead animals without a single thought.
The world has gone mad, people have forgotten
What a a fabulous photo of an old butchers shop blue. Our local butcher where we used to live in the UK before we came here was the exact same layout. The only difference was old John, the butcher wore a white apron which was invariably stained in (presumably) animal blood if only to remind customers of what his stock-in-trade was!
So sad all these old butcher shops are now all but gone in the new sanitised, pasteurised age in which we are compelled to live these days.
So sad all these old butcher shops are now all but gone in the new sanitised, pasteurised age in which we are compelled to live these days.
Sex God
Quote by flower411
To Tesco and the other supermarkets any fines will just be a cost to be passed on to their customers.
Sadly Flower, this statement is so true
I had a very nice Waitrose British beef ( apparently ) for my dinner tonight.
I have to say it tasted delicious and I cleared my plate. Did it taste like beef? Who knows as it was masked by the pasta and herbs in it, but if I start trying to jump over my garden fence in the morning, I know what I have eaten.
I have to say it tasted delicious and I cleared my plate. Did it taste like beef? Who knows as it was masked by the pasta and herbs in it, but if I start trying to jump over my garden fence in the morning, I know what I have eaten.
Quote by starlightcouple
I had a very nice Waitrose British beef ( apparently ) for my dinner tonight.
I have to say it tasted delicious and I cleared my plate. Did it taste like beef? Who knows as it was masked by the pasta and herbs in it, but if I start trying to jump over my garden fence in the morning, I know what I have eaten.
And, if you make it over the fence, it was definitely Shergar....
Quote by GnV
I had a very nice Waitrose British beef ( apparently ) for my dinner tonight.
I have to say it tasted delicious and I cleared my plate. Did it taste like beef? Who knows as it was masked by the pasta and herbs in it, but if I start trying to jump over my garden fence in the morning, I know what I have eaten.
And, if you make it over the fence, it was definitely Shergar....
Very good. :lol:
Sex God
But if your legs go wobbly and you fall over, it was Red Rum 
flower411 wrote:
Here`s a little scenario....
You and your children are starving to death, you've seen thousands of people die around you from malnutrition and then some bloke toting an AK47 comes along and tells you that there are people not so far away who are throwing away food because they have some namby pamby idea about not eating horses.
How would you feel towards the next lot of well fed charity workers that turned up in their nice new 4x4 ?
Nope don't get the relativity in this, of course starving people will eat just about anything and often do, but we in the UK are for the majority not starving, we are paying for beef and getting horse, would you accept that situation in anything else you buy, if you purchase a BMW next week would you accept delivery of a Citroen ? after all not everyone can afford a car and not everyone can afford a quality car.
Why can't the cheaper horse meat be used to feed the starving that are around ?
My "beef" with this (no pun intended) is that what they are selling us is not what they say it is, the MP in charge of what we eat is saying it could be a case of Gross Negligence, he is absolutely right, Gross Negligence by the supermarkets for not making sure they get what they order, Gross Negligence by him and his department for not checking that supermarkets deliver what they are supposed to deliver.
France for years refused to sell British Beef in their supermarkets despite EU rulings that it was safe after a foot n mouth outbreak, yet they are selling us meat that may contain vet induced dangerous drugs.
For me the really worrying factor is still the unknown, chicken used to make the ham on pizzas, horse used as beef, Wilderbeast meat sold as Prime Beef, what else don't we know about what we are being sold as something else ? How many of us ate dog last month believing it to be something else ? why aren't our importers and Government checking all these things on our behalf ?
Bernard Mathews chicken imports from Eastern European suppliers was found to be the source of the a Foot n Mouth outbreak, did the government impose any conditions on his company, no, he was allowed to continue and then caused a second outbreak some years later from doing the same thing importing chickens from Eastern Europe.
I think the Government don't care, MP's can afford to shop at the best places for the best cuts of meat or products, I think the only thing they care about is that us finding out what we are being fed will cause prices to rise and therefore leave less disposable income for tax
Oh and yes I have eaten horse regularly when I lived in Switzerland but that was because I chose to not because it was sold to me as something else.
Here`s a little scenario....
You and your children are starving to death, you've seen thousands of people die around you from malnutrition and then some bloke toting an AK47 comes along and tells you that there are people not so far away who are throwing away food because they have some namby pamby idea about not eating horses.
How would you feel towards the next lot of well fed charity workers that turned up in their nice new 4x4 ?
Nope don't get the relativity in this, of course starving people will eat just about anything and often do, but we in the UK are for the majority not starving, we are paying for beef and getting horse, would you accept that situation in anything else you buy, if you purchase a BMW next week would you accept delivery of a Citroen ? after all not everyone can afford a car and not everyone can afford a quality car.
Why can't the cheaper horse meat be used to feed the starving that are around ?
My "beef" with this (no pun intended) is that what they are selling us is not what they say it is, the MP in charge of what we eat is saying it could be a case of Gross Negligence, he is absolutely right, Gross Negligence by the supermarkets for not making sure they get what they order, Gross Negligence by him and his department for not checking that supermarkets deliver what they are supposed to deliver.
France for years refused to sell British Beef in their supermarkets despite EU rulings that it was safe after a foot n mouth outbreak, yet they are selling us meat that may contain vet induced dangerous drugs.
For me the really worrying factor is still the unknown, chicken used to make the ham on pizzas, horse used as beef, Wilderbeast meat sold as Prime Beef, what else don't we know about what we are being sold as something else ? How many of us ate dog last month believing it to be something else ? why aren't our importers and Government checking all these things on our behalf ?
Bernard Mathews chicken imports from Eastern European suppliers was found to be the source of the a Foot n Mouth outbreak, did the government impose any conditions on his company, no, he was allowed to continue and then caused a second outbreak some years later from doing the same thing importing chickens from Eastern Europe.
I think the Government don't care, MP's can afford to shop at the best places for the best cuts of meat or products, I think the only thing they care about is that us finding out what we are being fed will cause prices to rise and therefore leave less disposable income for tax
Oh and yes I have eaten horse regularly when I lived in Switzerland but that was because I chose to not because it was sold to me as something else.
Sex God
This isn't a wind up, it's a genuine enquiry.
We have pork, bacon, ham and gammon from pigs.
We have beef from cows.
We have mutton from sheep.
What do we have from horse? is it openly marketed as horse, or does it have a fancy name?
I genuinely don't think I would have a problem eating it if I knew before hand, but I'd love to know what its called at the butchers.
We have pork, bacon, ham and gammon from pigs.
We have beef from cows.
We have mutton from sheep.
What do we have from horse? is it openly marketed as horse, or does it have a fancy name?
I genuinely don't think I would have a problem eating it if I knew before hand, but I'd love to know what its called at the butchers.
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This isn't a wind up, it's a genuine enquiry.
We have pork, bacon, ham and gammon from pigs.
We have beef from cows.
We have mutton from sheep.
What do we have from horse? is it openly marketed as horse, or does it have a fancy name?
I genuinely don't think I would have a problem eating it if I knew before hand, but I'd love to know what its called at the butchers.
It is a very popular meat in some countries especially France and Switzerland, the steaks themselves look more like liver than beef as they are not so veiny but the taste is excellent, the French call it Chaval and I am happy to eat it, but as you say, we should be told what it is not that it is Beef, Pork or anything else.
Sex God
I know that Chaval means horse in French, hence the term chevallier etc. What I am getting at is that in England I can walk to a butchers counter and ask for beef and I get cow (hopefully). I can ask for gammon and I get pig. Ask for bacon it's still pig etc.
If I asked for horse do I get horse, or does it have a another trade name?
If I asked for horse do I get horse, or does it have a another trade name?
I always thought it was called simply Horse meat.
Wiki says
Horse meat is the culinary name for meat cut from a horse. It is a major meat in only a few countries, notably in Central Asia, but it forms a significant part of the culinary traditions of many others, from Europe to South America to Asia. The top eight countries consume about 4.7 million horses a year. For the majority of mankind's early existence, wild horses were hunted as a source of protein. It is slightly sweet, tender, and slightly higher in fat content than beef.
However, because of the role horses have played as companions and as workers, and concerns about the ethics of the horse slaughter process, it is a food in some cultures. These historical associations, as well as ritual and religion, led to the development of the aversion to the consumption of horse meat. The horse is now given pet status by many in some parts of the Western world, particularly in the U.S.A., United Kingdom and Ireland, which further solidifies the on eating its meat.
MEANWHILE
Tesco admits its Everyday Value Spaghetti Bolognese was more than 60% horsemeat
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here are 3 recipes you may want to check out for your horse meat purchases
Wiki says
Horse meat is the culinary name for meat cut from a horse. It is a major meat in only a few countries, notably in Central Asia, but it forms a significant part of the culinary traditions of many others, from Europe to South America to Asia. The top eight countries consume about 4.7 million horses a year. For the majority of mankind's early existence, wild horses were hunted as a source of protein. It is slightly sweet, tender, and slightly higher in fat content than beef.
However, because of the role horses have played as companions and as workers, and concerns about the ethics of the horse slaughter process, it is a food in some cultures. These historical associations, as well as ritual and religion, led to the development of the aversion to the consumption of horse meat. The horse is now given pet status by many in some parts of the Western world, particularly in the U.S.A., United Kingdom and Ireland, which further solidifies the on eating its meat.
MEANWHILE
Tesco admits its Everyday Value Spaghetti Bolognese was more than 60% horsemeat
AND
here are 3 recipes you may want to check out for your horse meat purchases
If your in lidl buying meat and its a quid a pound ... you really surprised its part mystery meat with some beef in it.
If your hungry you will eat it .. its apparently organised crime that has spread the horse meat around. Inventive lot, but jeeez if you eat sausages or hot dogs .. worry about there contents..
Good for the local butchers though, they must be doing a roaring trade now after this one. Great to think too.
J
If your hungry you will eat it .. its apparently organised crime that has spread the horse meat around. Inventive lot, but jeeez if you eat sausages or hot dogs .. worry about there contents..
Good for the local butchers though, they must be doing a roaring trade now after this one. Great to think too.
J
Quote by VoyeurJ
If your in lidl buying meat and its a quid a pound ... you really surprised its part mystery meat with some beef in it.
If your hungry you will eat it .. its apparently organised crime that has spread the horse meat around. Inventive lot, but jeeez if you eat sausages or hot dogs .. worry about there contents..
Good for the local butchers though, they must be doing a roaring trade now after this one. Great to think too.
J
And what if your eating expensive food from Marks n Spencer or Harrods, investigations are now looking at the top end market as they believe that this may also be under the influence of the scam, I have never considered Findus to be budget food like supermarket own brands.
I know a 100% beef product may contain all sorts of Cow bits not just meat but at least I know it's cow (or should be able to assume that) cow and not a horse that has been treated with certain drugs from a vet that would not be given to an animal that is destined for the food chain.
Quote by flower411
Here`s a little scenario....
You and your children are starving to death, you've seen thousands of people die around you from malnutrition and then some bloke toting an AK47 comes along and tells you that there are people not so far away who are throwing away food because they have some namby pamby idea about not eating horses.
How would you feel towards the next lot of well fed charity workers that turned up in their nice new 4x4 ?
To answer the question that was posed, I would say have you got any grain for me and my starving children? I think what the aid workers turned up in and what they ate or threw away in their country wouldn't feature very highly on my mind.
My own thoughts on eating horse meat as a modern European? No thanks, I don't eat pets.
But nobody has suggested that horsemeat be thrown away, horsemeat in the UK could be sold in butchers shops or on supermarket shelves, it might not sell well but it could start a new eating trend and we could become lovers of the meat like the french, UK horsemeat could be exported to France since it appears they are currently buying it in Poland.
There are a few other examples of meats being consumed in the UK that many would never have considered such as Emu, Aligator and Kangaroo, none have become big sellers but they do.
Many people will not eat rabbit as they see them more as pets than fodder.
The outrage from many is not about the what the meat is but what it is labelled as when sold, Horse sold as Beef, anything sold in such a fraudulent way is wrong.
People here should have the choice of what they buy, many have said they would eat horsemeat if it was labelled as such and many have said they wouldn't that is as it should be, personal choice, added to that the possible health risks of eating something which has been treated with drugs that would not be administered to animals destined for the human food chain.
There are a few other examples of meats being consumed in the UK that many would never have considered such as Emu, Aligator and Kangaroo, none have become big sellers but they do.
Many people will not eat rabbit as they see them more as pets than fodder.
The outrage from many is not about the what the meat is but what it is labelled as when sold, Horse sold as Beef, anything sold in such a fraudulent way is wrong.
People here should have the choice of what they buy, many have said they would eat horsemeat if it was labelled as such and many have said they wouldn't that is as it should be, personal choice, added to that the possible health risks of eating something which has been treated with drugs that would not be administered to animals destined for the human food chain.
Quote by MidsCouple24
But nobody has suggested that horsemeat be thrown away, horsemeat in the UK could be sold in butchers shops or on supermarket shelves, it might not sell well but it could start a new eating trend and we could become lovers of the meat like the french, UK horsemeat could be exported to France since it appears they are currently buying it in Poland.
There are a few other examples of meats being consumed in the UK that many would never have considered such as Emu, Aligator and Kangaroo, none have become big sellers but they do.
Many people will not eat rabbit as they see them more as pets than fodder.
The outrage from many is not about the what the meat is but what it is labelled as when sold, Horse sold as Beef, anything sold in such a fraudulent way is wrong.
People here should have the choice of what they buy, many have said they would eat horsemeat if it was labelled as such and many have said they wouldn't that is as it should be, personal choice, added to that the possible health risks of eating something which has been treated with drugs that would not be administered to animals destined for the human food chain.
Plus Mids have you seen where it now looks like these horses and even donkeys have come from? A Romanian slaughter house funded by money from the EU. How fucking hilarious is that?
I bet the Romanians do not have to abide by animal cruelty laws either, and I perish at the thought as to how some of these animals are and have been treated in this third world country.
Absolutely horrific.
Quote by MidsCouple24
But nobody has suggested that horsemeat be thrown away, horsemeat in the UK could be sold in butchers shops or on supermarket shelves, it might not sell well but it could start a new eating trend and we could become lovers of the meat like the french, UK horsemeat could be exported to France since it appears they are currently buying it in Poland.
We export 100,000 animals "on the hook" per year to Europe for consumption.
Quote by MidsCouple24
But nobody has suggested that horsemeat be thrown away, horsemeat in the UK could be sold in butchers shops or on supermarket shelves, it might not sell well but it could start a new eating trend and we could become lovers of the meat like the french, UK horsemeat could be exported to France since it appears they are currently buying it in Poland.
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We export 100,000 animals "on the hook" per year to Europe for consumption.
What kinds of animals though Rogue as that is a bit vague that statement.
If they were cows we were exporting I would say stop exporting them and have them for consumption in the UK, and then we can stop the imports. At least then we would be certain that we was not getting meat from some third rate countries slaughter houses.
Quote by starlightcouple
But nobody has suggested that horsemeat be thrown away, horsemeat in the UK could be sold in butchers shops or on supermarket shelves, it might not sell well but it could start a new eating trend and we could become lovers of the meat like the french, UK horsemeat could be exported to France since it appears they are currently buying it in Poland.
Quote by Rogue_Trader
We export 100,000 animals "on the hook" per year to Europe for consumption.
What kinds of animals though Rogue as that is a bit vague that statement.
If they were cows we were exporting I would say stop exporting them and have them for consumption in the UK, and then we can stop the imports. At least then we would be certain that we was not getting meat from some third rate countries slaughter houses.
I thought that was obvious Star, we are talking about horses. The ponies of Dartmoor, Exmoor and the New Forest are slaughtered in the UK then shipped to the continent.
What amazes me about this sorry affair is that 5 companies are involved from originator to manufacturer, each one making their margin (gross profit) Any decent manufacturer should be asking themselves how can they (the suppliers) do this compared to buying local without there being something wrong with what is being bought!
The trouble with the whole affair is if they are prepared to pass horse meat off as beef then what else are they likely to economical with..? the level of anti-biotics? the sterility?
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But nobody has suggested that horsemeat be thrown away, .
I know you`ve been away Mids so I`ll bring you up date with the news.
Horse meat has been found in all sorts of ready meals and they are currently being taken off the shelves and destroyed. I can see that there may be a subtle difference between "thrown away" and "destroyed" but my point remains the same. We are destroying food that by all accounts is probably perfectly edible.
Probably perfectly edible, probably ? I for one wouldn't like to be responsible for causing more misery in a country that needs help by sending them meat that could be contaminated with things vets use in animals not intended for human consumption, the meat being destroyed has not gone through the checks we expect of our meat, I was talking about using horsemeat that has been passed fit for human consumption being sold or sent abroad but I don't think we should risk the health of people with this meat.
There was no need to "bring me up to date" (sarcasm duly noted) on that point but rather a need for you to think about how this meat may have been prepared in Poland and why they felt the need to sell it fraudlently rather than on the legitimate market.
You seem to have missed the bit in there where I said "horsemeat in the UK"
Apparently there is an abundance of horsemeat in some areas of Eastern Europe following a ban on horses using many roads.
