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I'm going to get one of those cameras that point out of the front of the car to record the journey. This is after a slight bump Shel had in her car, where it was her word against the other guy as to who's fault it was.
The question on here tho is this;
If you saw a person in a car coming towards you, (no chance of a crash and you passed them safely), but you saw them using a mobile phone while drivingand on playback of the video you could clearly see them doing it and the vehicle reg no, would you go to the Police with the video so the driver could be prosecuted???? (assuming the Police would do that on video evidence?).
Yes or No, would you shop them ?
But going on from that, if, in an effort to cut down on mobile phone use when driving the Police offered a reward for such videos, would that encourage you do it??
John
No I wouldnt report them, let the Police do their job and to your second question, giving financial incentives for doing the same, jeepers no thanks, start doing that and before long we'll be nurturing a nation of snitches.
Yes to both questions smile
Having had someone close to my die after being in an RTA where the other driver was driving dangerously (and went to prision for it) i defintely would pass on the video to the police simply to maybe save others from going thru what we have been thru due to some idiots dangerous driving !
I dont mind being called a snitch if it saves someones life :)
Yes every time, to the first. People like that should be scraped off the roads and made to walk everywhere. Not doing it is the same as not reporting an old lady being mugged - leaving it to the police cos 'it's their job' is abdicating our responsibility as people. It is a crime and even if it doesn't result in a crash on that trip, it will eventually.
And a resounding NO to the second. The minute you pay for something you will get more of it - but a fair percentage of it will be made up.
I think the in-car camera you are referring to only retains a short section of recording before and after an impact. I don't think it records on demand or everything.
Yes :thumbup:
The idiots that I see all the time whilst riding my bike chatting on their phones is a disgrace.
The fine should be a £1000 minimum and 9 points on your license.
Oh and I think it is a brilliant idea to have in car cameras, and in the USA you can got huge discounts on your insurance if you fit one.
Dash cams can record hours of driving/riding depending on the battery life, resolution and memory card you use.
They have lots of uses regarding bad riding/driving but not sure how it would stand up in court. It would probably need to be at the very least date stamped for a prosecution. Regarding damage claims, probably a lot easier to prove blame as it needs a lower level of guilt than a criminal case.
Mal
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Dash cams can record hours of driving/riding depending on the battery life, resolution and memory card you use.
They have lots of uses regarding bad riding/driving but not sure how it would stand up in court. It would probably need to be at the very least date stamped for a prosecution. Regarding damage claims, probably a lot easier to prove blame as it needs a lower level of guilt than a criminal case.
Mal
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You are either guilty or not guilty surely Mal. I think you meant a lower burden of proof.
In car cameras would be a great addition to the world of dogging :thumbup:
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Dash cams can record hours of driving/riding depending on the battery life, resolution and memory card you use.
They have lots of uses regarding bad riding/driving but not sure how it would stand up in court. It would probably need to be at the very least date stamped for a prosecution. Regarding damage claims, probably a lot easier to prove blame as it needs a lower level of guilt than a criminal case.
Mal
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You are either guilty or not guilty surely Mal. I think you meant a lower burden of proof.
On a 'balance of probability' against 'beyond reasonable doubt' -too early to be specific lol
Mal
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Our concern, other than the use they are intended for , was if they were used for another purpose such as recording people dogging without them knowing it! Yes, we know you can do it anyway with a camera phone, but its just a thought to throw into the discussion pot!lol
oh we are all to become, the Police now are we. We also going to record those speeding...record those that go through an amber light, those that are parked on double yellow lines... Where does it stop ? I use gadgets in my car that make my life easier and more pleasant, such as a sat nav or the radio etc.....I can not see the use apart from being a big brother snoop, why would I want a camera in my car.
It can't be to record in case of an accident. Else you going to need one, on all four sides of the car. I can come out of a junction into the side of you....or not have correct braking distance and hit you from behind etc etc.......however I can also see the possibilities for abuse with this. What about a offender being parked outside a school with his car cam on recording !!
No...for me, let the Police do their job. I'll use my car for getting from point A to point B !!!!!
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Our concern, other than the use they are intended for , was if they were used for another purpose such as recording people dogging without them knowing it! Yes, we know you can do it anyway with a camera phone, but its just a thought to throw into the discussion pot!lol

I was thinking more about the owners of the car cam turning it on themselves and recording in-car activity wink
Report yes, not just phone use but any dangerous driving especially undertaking on motorways and I so wish hogging the middle lane was an offence, it is a clear sign of a bad, insecure driver who forces others in to the outside lane to overtake them simply because they feel safer having an empty lane either side of them.
Do it for financial gain, absolutely not, I don't need paying to help make the Country a safer place and believe it would create a somewhat vigilante state.
It could even create dangers with "camera equipped" people at the side of roads or on motorway bridges distracting drivers in a hope to earn cash from the Police.
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oh we are all to become, the Police now are we. We also going to record those speeding...record those that go through an amber light, those that are parked on double yellow lines... Where does it stop ? I use gadgets in my car that make my life easier and more pleasant, such as a sat nav or the radio etc.....I can not see the use apart from being a big brother snoop, why would I want a camera in my car.
It can't be to record in case of an accident. Else you going to need one, on all four sides of the car. I can come out of a junction into the side of you....or not have correct braking distance and hit you from behind etc etc.......however I can also see the possibilities for abuse with this. What about a offender being parked outside a school with his car cam on recording !!
No...for me, let the Police do their job. I'll use my car for getting from point A to point B !!!!!

Absolutely agree.
Mind you I overtook a woman on the M1 yesterday and she was pouring herself a drink out of her flask whilst travelling at about 60 mph.
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oh we are all to become, the Police now are we. We also going to record those speeding...record those that go through an amber light, those that are parked on double yellow lines... Where does it stop ? I use gadgets in my car that make my life easier and more pleasant, such as a sat nav or the radio etc.....I can not see the use apart from being a big brother snoop, why would I want a camera in my car.
It can't be to record in case of an accident. Else you going to need one, on all four sides of the car. I can come out of a junction into the side of you....or not have correct braking distance and hit you from behind etc etc.......however I can also see the possibilities for abuse with this. What about a offender being parked outside a school with his car cam on recording !!
No...for me, let the Police do their job. I'll use my car for getting from point A to point B !!!!!

So on the logic of the above, if I was driving along and saw a child knocked over by a driver who did not stop, but the camera recorded the offending vehicles number plate I should not hand it to the Police so they could catch the driver ?
John
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oh we are all to become, the Police now are we. We also going to record those speeding...record those that go through an amber light, those that are parked on double yellow lines... Where does it stop ? I use gadgets in my car that make my life easier and more pleasant, such as a sat nav or the radio etc.....I can not see the use apart from being a big brother snoop, why would I want a camera in my car.
It can't be to record in case of an accident. Else you going to need one, on all four sides of the car. I can come out of a junction into the side of you....or not have correct braking distance and hit you from behind etc etc.......however I can also see the possibilities for abuse with this. What about a offender being parked outside a school with his car cam on recording !!
No...for me, let the Police do their job. I'll use my car for getting from point A to point B !!!!!

So on the logic of the above, if I was driving along and saw a child knocked over by a driver who did not stop, but the camera recorded the offending vehicles number plate I should not hand it to the Police so they could catch the driver ?
John
What I am saying...is why have you the camera on in first place ? The amount of times such an event would happen and there be no one around to see the number plate I would think is thankfully very rare. On one occasion going back a while, I saw a collision and the offending vehicle speeded off....I simply noted the number plate. No need for a camera. As stated, I just can't see the use of this. However I can see a lot of unsavoury people using it for other events other than it was perhaps intended for. As I say....not something I shall be rushing out to buy !!
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No I wouldnt report them, let the Police do their job and to your second question, giving financial incentives for doing the same, jeepers no thanks, start doing that and before long we'll be nurturing a nation of snitches.

Let the Police do their jobs, and everyone else, do not under any circumstances phone them to report a woman being assaulted outside your home, do not phone them to report a burglary in your neighbours home, it is their job to find out what is happening and to deal with it just as it is their job to stop people undertaking, going through red lights, hit and run, using phones etc, no I see a lot of sense in what some are saying regards the downside of in car cameras, but because it is not our job it is theirs is not one of them.
Personally, no, I would not install one, but if someone makes a personal choice and does install one I would not think bad of them for reporting people breaking the law, when you think about it they are not that different to having cameras outside your home and most people are happy to show that footage to the Police if someone is breaking the law even if it does not inolve their home.
What next, don't phone the fire brigade when you see a fire, don't show the police the footage you captured whilst filming your day out and a traffic accident happened because that isnt your job.
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No I wouldnt report them, let the Police do their job and to your second question, giving financial incentives for doing the same, jeepers no thanks, start doing that and before long we'll be nurturing a nation of snitches.

Let the Police do their jobs, and everyone else, do not under any circumstances phone them to report a woman being assaulted outside your home, do not phone them to report a burglary in your neighbours home, it is their job to find out what is happening and to deal with it just as it is their job to stop people undertaking, going through red lights, hit and run, using phones etc, no I see a lot of sense in what some are saying regards the downside of in car cameras, but because it is not our job it is theirs is not one of them.
Personally, no, I would not install one, but if someone makes a personal choice and does install one I would not think bad of them for reporting people breaking the law, when you think about it they are not that different to having cameras outside your home and most people are happy to show that footage to the Police if someone is breaking the law even if it does not inolve their home.
What next, don't phone the fire brigade when you see a fire, don't show the police the footage you captured whilst filming your day out and a traffic accident happened because that isnt your job.
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No I wouldnt report them, let the Police do their job and to your second question, giving financial incentives for doing the same, jeepers no thanks, start doing that and before long we'll be nurturing a nation of snitches.

Let the Police do their jobs, and everyone else, do not under any circumstances phone them to report a woman being assaulted outside your home, do not phone them to report a burglary in your neighbours home, it is their job to find out what is happening and to deal with it just as it is their job to stop people undertaking, going through red lights, hit and run, using phones etc, no I see a lot of sense in what some are saying regards the downside of in car cameras, but because it is not our job it is theirs is not one of them.
Personally, no, I would not install one, but if someone makes a personal choice and does install one I would not think bad of them for reporting people breaking the law, when you think about it they are not that different to having cameras outside your home and most people are happy to show that footage to the Police if someone is breaking the law even if it does not inolve their home.
What next, don't phone the fire brigade when you see a fire, don't show the police the footage you captured whilst filming your day out and a traffic accident happened because that isnt your job.

You're quoting out of context (but then you normally do) the answer I gave was in relation to the question asked.
I'll expand just a bit for you though, how many times when out driving do you encounter a fellow motorist driving a car a little reckless, or taking some action that they shouldn't? and your answer will be 'every journey' and probably on more than one occasion. Have you reported them? Will you be? Should we all report every illegal action seen being taken in a car to the Police? Simply put, NO! We're not trained, it's not our job.
Then there is the question of where does it stop, soon it will be for smoking cos one hand is off the wheel at some point, maybe they'll ban food/drinks from a car, will you be allowed to change the channel on your radio? put in a different cd, pass your child a biscuit and so it goes on. Currently if you have a set of earphones in (this could also be a bluetooth headset) and are using them to listen to music or take a call..well then you're you're not in control of your vehicle: So if you're prepared to report a motorist for talking on their mobile would you do the same for a motorist with headphones/earphones? or smoking? or changing a cd? Where is the difference? Where is the line?
So yes, let the Police do their job re the above...absolutely!
How can answering a statement you made be taking things out of context ?
the context of what you said is simple, you said "No I wouldn't report them let the Police do their jobs" you did not say, let the Police do their jobs when it comes to people using mobile phones while driving or let the Police do their jobs when it comes to minor crime. Perhaps that is what you meant to say, perhaps that is what you think or perhaps you think that if a crime is committed but the Police don't catch the person then the perpertrator should get away with it because the public should never help with evidence, I don't know what you think I can only respond to what you say and what you said it plain for everyone to see, your accusation of me taking things out of context is just a defence for what you have said.
I said I would NOT put a camera in my car.
I said that I don't think people should put a camera in their car
But for those that choose to, I do disagree with those that say they shouldn't use the evidence it might gather and that is the difference between reporting someone to the Police and basically wasting their time because it is your word against theirs with no evidence to back up what you say or passing on Video evidence that they can choose to act upon or not.
Security of the Nation and the safety of it's inhabitants is not just the job of the police it is everyones duty as a citizen.
I feel sure that anyone walking down the street and spotting someone staggering out of a pub, hardly able to walk but getting into the drivers seat of a car would have no qualms about calling the Police and even using their mobile phone to record what they see.
I will tell you what I DO often DO, I admit when I have got something wrong.
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Perhaps that is what you meant to say, perhaps that is what you think or perhaps you think that if a crime is committed but the Police don't catch the person then the perpertrator should get away with it because the public should never help with evidence, .

I answered the question asked which so as there can be no doubt was about a possible motoring offence and how would a person deal with it if in charge of cetain tools/equipment.... it is you that chose to misread/make it into something different along the lines of nation/citizens/duty/fire brigade and an individual walking out of a pub (amongst other things) the only thing missing was a speech from Winston Churchill *laughing*
There is plenty of footage of bad / dangerous driving on YouTube. In fact there is a viral video going around Facebook at the moment from a cyclists head camera of clear cut road rage but the driver was only cautioned. Most are unreported and frankly I doubt if the traffic Police could ever hope to deal with the volume of civilian vigilante camera footage.
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There is plenty of footage of bad / dangerous driving on YouTube. In fact there is a viral video going around Facebook at the moment from a cyclists head camera of clear cut road rage but the driver was only cautioned. Most are unreported and frankly I doubt if the traffic Police could ever hope to deal with the volume of civilian vigilante camera footage.

Yes, your right, the traffic police might well be overwhelmed at first. But as the amount of cameras fitted in cars goes up, as I'm sure it will, would not the fear of being filmed "anytime anyplace" not cause the ones using mobiles while driving to cease, especially with a few well reported court cases?
John
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Yes to both questions smile
Having had someone close to my die after being in an RTA where the other driver was driving dangerously (and went to prision for it) i defintely would pass on the video to the police simply to maybe save others from going thru what we have been thru due to some idiots dangerous driving !
I don't mind being called a snitch if it saves someones life :)

My family totally agree with the above, we all have a responsibility for the safety of others.
Question. If you could get a discount for having an on board camera in your car, would you do it? If not why not?
There are schemes for this in place and in car cameras are on the increase big time in the States. Often they can prove cases of insurance claims and on many occasions have been hugely beneficial to claimants.
Cannot see any problem and yes I have reported bad driving on two occasions over the years, where the driver was prosecuted. One was for a drunk driver who was weaving over the road, and I managed to alert a police car, and the second was when I was about to cross a busy road to see a driver almost knock a young girl off her bike, whilst he was chatting on his phone and also alerted a passing police car.
Am I a snitch then Dean?
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Question. If you could get a discount for having an on board camera in your car, would you do it? If not why not?
There are schemes for this in place and in car cameras are on the increase big time in the States. Often they can prove cases of insurance claims and on many occasions have been hugely beneficial to claimants.
Cannot see any problem and yes I have reported bad driving on two occasions over the years, where the driver was prosecuted. One was for a drunk driver who was weaving over the road, and I managed to alert a police car, and the second was when I was about to cross a busy road to see a driver almost knock a young girl off her bike, whilst he was chatting on his phone and also alerted a passing police car.
Am I a snitch then Dean?

well if a snitch is someone that tells on others...then answer by your won admission is YES...lol...however you have proved my point a little, as I guess on both occasions you did not film the incident. Indeed if you read back to my last comment I state that I myself noted the number of a car that sped off after a collision. All I an saying is why the need for cameras in cars !!
No-where did I say you shouldn't tell police anything. I am simply worried about where it will all end. Will we have people who have nothing better to do, driving round with cameras in their cars looking for those parked on double yellow lines...etc etc....and as I have stated I am mostly concerned about the use that these could be put to other than what they were intended for.
Dean often cameras can be a very good source of proving to an insurance company who was at fault in an course if your camera is forward facing a shunt up the back would be no good, but many accidents occur where another car or cyclist or even a pedestrian, materialises in front of you. If another car pulled out of a side street right in front of you and an accident happened, at least you would have proof it was not your fault and that is where the positive things come into this.
There are plenty examples of this on sites like You Tube.
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Question. If you could get a discount for having an on board camera in your car, would you do it? If not why not?
There are schemes for this in place and in car cameras are on the increase big time in the States. Often they can prove cases of insurance claims and on many occasions have been hugely beneficial to claimants.
Cannot see any problem and yes I have reported bad driving on two occasions over the years, where the driver was prosecuted. One was for a drunk driver who was weaving over the road, and I managed to alert a police car, and the second was when I was about to cross a busy road to see a driver almost knock a young girl off her bike, whilst he was chatting on his phone and also alerted a passing police car.
Am I a snitch then Dean?

first it was car radios then sat navs, lets give the little thieves something else to smash my car window for wink
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first it was car radios then sat navs, lets give the little thieves something else to smash my car window for wink

Only applicable Rob if you are a lazy fucker who cannot be bothered to spend an extra two seconds disconnecting it and putting it away. :wink:
My sat nav goes back into the box and then into a bag and then goes into my home with me. The amount of sat navs I see still in the car because people just don't think.
The countries with most cameras are those with the most corruption. It is not uncommon to be stopped in Russia for no reason and to have a fine extorted out of you for - failing to stop at a junction, illegal overtaking etc etc - whatever the policeman thinks up.
The camera's are the drivers only defence.
Similarly in Mexico, lots of dash cams now. I was "breathalysed" in Cancun a few years and despite it being the middle of the day and I had not had a drink I was found to be over the limit. I had a choice - a $20 on the spot fine or a trip to the Police Station. I chose the spot fine and went on my way.