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Quote by starlightcouple

Allegedly he was told that he could not ride his bicycle through the main gate (something he always had done up to that evening). He said that that under his breath he muttered "how fucking annoying" but was unsure whether it was loud enough to be heard but accepts that this is what he said and that on reflection he should not have said it. There is some doubt whether the police officer even heard this judging from the cctv footage which showed nothing more than Mitchell riding to the main gate, dismounting and walking alongside a police officer to the side gate pushing his bicycle.
No hint of aggression, arguing or confrontation could be seen from the cctv footage yet it was an aggressive, foul mouthed confrontation that was alleged.

So even you are unsure TH? The word I have highlighted shows that nobody seems to know either the truth or the lies that have been told by either party in this sorry tale.
He was unsure? Th he knew what he said in my opinion, and he said it loud enough to piss the Police officer off. I shall see what else comes out in any criminal proceedings in this matter, if it actually ever comes to court. He did swear at a police officer and maybe had he just kept his mouth shut none of this would have gone any further?
Why don't you watch the programme instead of making things up.
I said allegedly - because I was re-iterating what i saw on TV
He (Mitchell) was unsure if it had been heard.
Watch the programme and decide for yourself from what you see and hear if you think that there was any confrontation, swearing or aggression from anyone. For a nuetral observer it was a very disturbing programme.
I did watch it TH and cannot make my mind up. The worrying thing for me is why a Police officer would make anything up at all, and why a serving Minister would then deny saying anything and then change his mind to he did, but muttered it under his breath.
To be honest I care not whether he said it or not, but am worried that a Police officer could lie about it....allegedly.
A - as in singular? One?
An off duty officer who made up the "leak" has been suspended on suspicion of multiple counts of lying.
An officer on duty has now also been suspended and is being investigated about what she has "leaked."
The Police Federation Spokesperrson has been suspended and is under investigation for lying about what was said in a meeting with Mitchell.
One other officer is also suspended on suspicion of leaking false information to the media.
Seems like a heck of a lot of ' suspicions 'here Th.
I shall wait for a trial and a jury to convict, before I make a judgement on this one, as I simply cannot tell who the fuck is a liar here.
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Seems like a heck of a lot of ' suspicions 'here Th.
I shall wait for a trial and a jury to convict, before I make a judgement on this one, as I simply cannot tell who the fuck is a liar here.

Good plan Star....
Four coppers suspended on suspicion of lying, a recorded meeting proving that one copper totally lied and CCTV footage that supports entirely the version of events outlined by Andrew Mitchell.
There is no chance at all that you watched that programme. There is more to come and it will be even more shameful for the Police.
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Seems like a heck of a lot of ' suspicions 'here Th.
I shall wait for a trial and a jury to convict, before I make a judgement on this one, as I simply cannot tell who the fuck is a liar here.

Good plan Star....
Four coppers suspended on suspicion of lying, a recorded meeting proving that one copper totally lied and CCTV footage that supports entirely the version of events outlined by Andrew Mitchell.

Well it should be very fecking easy at the trial then eh TH???
Seeing as your such the expert, have a quick word with the prosecution council, am sure he wil listen intently to your version of events, and with your views am sure a conviction is purely a forgone conclusion eh?.rolleyes Rolls eyes indeed.
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the prosecution council

blink
That would be Westminster then star?
Or did you mean counsel for the prosecution innocent
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Said a load of stuff

Gives really good explanation of events

TH you took time out to put in perspective for me thank you it'd appreciated.
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the prosecution council

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That would be Westminster then star?
Or did you mean counsel for the prosecution innocent

That's the one GnV...........See you do have your uses from time to time. wink
That's what V says star....
And occasionally she feeds me :grin:
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That's what V says star....
And occasionally she feeds me :grin:

Well I would starve ya. :kissmyarse:
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MP found guilty yesterday of perverting the course of justice, and spent years lying through his teeth, it is certainly not beyond any MP to be an outright liar when it suits to save their own sorry necks.

so you haven't witnessed an election broadcast then star lol
Quote by starlightcouple

Allegedly he was told that he could not ride his bicycle through the main gate (something he always had done up to that evening). He said that that under his breath he muttered "how fucking annoying" but was unsure whether it was loud enough to be heard but accepts that this is what he said and that on reflection he should not have said it. There is some doubt whether the police officer even heard this judging from the cctv footage which showed nothing more than Mitchell riding to the main gate, dismounting and walking alongside a police officer to the side gate pushing his bicycle.
No hint of aggression, arguing or confrontation could be seen from the cctv footage yet it was an aggressive, foul mouthed confrontation that was alleged.

Th he knew what he said in my opinion, and he said it loud enough to piss the Police officer off.
Why don't you watch the programme instead of making things up.
I did watch it TH and cannot make my mind up.
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I shall wait for a trial and a jury to convict, before I make a judgement on this one

I am now lol
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I am now lol

Pretty much your normal state of mind then Minx
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I have just re-read this whole thread and it is fascinating how it has developed. Big pat on the back for GnV for raising the head of suspicion before even the press got a whiff. Looks like things are panning out the way GnV intimated many pages ago.
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I have just re-read this whole thread and it is fascinating how it has developed. Big pat on the back for GnV for raising the head of suspicion before even the press got a whiff. Looks like things are panning out the way GnV intimated many pages ago.

He has insider knowledge TH, being an ex Mp and all that. :rascal:
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If I had sworn at a copper I would more than likely not have rode away on my bike with no immediate repercussion. However those are the dangers of Public life and if Mr Mitchell did swear at the Police he should be held to account. On the flip side, he can face down the Police if he did not swear at them and have his day in court to clear his name.
Either way the truth will out.

I said it all along wink
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Watching Dispatches now. Horrifying what the Police have done and the effect it has had on Andrew Mitchell's life.
If they can do this to a Politician, what hope you and I if the spotlight ever fell on us.
This is like watching something that happens in another country.

now the interesting thing is Mr Mitchell's email and some other of his personal details are in the public domain
should the police involved have their details made public so as to taste the same torrent of abuse as Mr Mitchell suffered
and why have we not heard a public outcry for their resignations
all though there is no court case or internal dismissals as of yet i would imagine anyone convicted on the evidence alone of these officers will have already contacted leech layers for you Incorporated rolleyes
Quote by Trevaunance
If I had sworn at a copper I would more than likely not have rode away on my bike with no immediate repercussion. However those are the dangers of Public life and if Mr Mitchell did swear at the Police he should be held to account. On the flip side, he can face down the Police if he did not swear at them and have his day in court to clear his name.
Either way the truth will out.

I said it all along wink
it was always odd trev that he was neither asked to come in for questioning or arrested and taken to the local station over the matter :wink: