Let us not forget what it means to be a facist.
from wiki:
Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism that came to prominence in mid-20th century Europe. Fascists seek to unify their nation through a totalitarian state that seeks the mass mobilization of the national community, relying on a vanguard party to initiate a revolution to organize the nation on fascist principles.
Hostile to liberal democracy, socialism, and communism, fascist movements share certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on ultranationalism, ethnocentrism, and militarism.
Fascism views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation and asserts that "superior" nations and races should attain living space by displacing weak and inferior ones.
Suffice to say that many racists do not support the ideals of Fascism in their hatred of Blacks, Whites, Indians (red), Asians, Aboriginies etc many would accept that they are racist but abhor the thought of being called a facist.
There are certainly political parties in the UK with facist tendancies and parties where racism is part of their motivation but though the two walk side by side at times they are not always together.
A desire to remove or stop all immigrants entering the UK be they Black or White is a move towards facism more than it is racism, but some racists do join such organisations/political parties for racist motives.
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Is Fascism synonymous with Racism
Quote by MidsCouple24
You may be right to question whether being a Christian makes you a member of a race ditto whether being a Roman Catholic or for that matter a Muslim..... because all of these religions are proselytising religions (hope spell check will help me out!).
The Jews and certain other religions did not proselytisye (i.e. actively convert others) and so the membership of the religion is very closely tied to their race
though there are a small number of exceptions I would suggest there is no real room to argue that the Jews are not a distinct "race"
Jack
I would like to concede that point because it does make sense, but think it would be wrong to do so, Polish Jews, Romanian Jews, German Jews, French Jews, Dutch Jews, although they are all caucasions there were a small number of non-caucasion Jews murdered, the fact that their numbers are few being the main reason, the reason that I have to reject the argument is because AH would have killed every Jew if he could, had he found large numbers in Afria or in Asia he would have treated them exactly the same and for the same reason his mind wanted the other jews murdered not because of colour but because they were Jews. It may be a fine line but a line it is and what I am saying is that AH was worse than a racist he was a xenophobist.
I really don't follow your logic. Green_Fox_71 is correct in saying the Jews regard themselves as a race as opposed to a religion but you say you have to reject his argument as Hitler would have killed all Jews because they were Jews, not because of Nationality or colour. So you agree Hitler was in fact trying to exterminate an entire race but still reject Green Fox's argument.
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You may be right to question whether being a Christian makes you a member of a race ditto whether being a Roman Catholic or for that matter a Muslim..... because all of these religions are proselytising religions (hope spell check will help me out!).
The Jews and certain other religions did not proselytisye (i.e. actively convert others) and so the membership of the religion is very closely tied to their race
though there are a small number of exceptions I would suggest there is no real room to argue that the Jews are not a distinct "race"
Jack
I would like to concede that point because it does make sense, but think it would be wrong to do so, Polish Jews, Romanian Jews, German Jews, French Jews, Dutch Jews, although they are all caucasions there were a small number of non-caucasion Jews murdered, the fact that their numbers are few being the main reason, the reason that I have to reject the argument is because AH would have killed every Jew if he could, had he found large numbers in Afria or in Asia he would have treated them exactly the same and for the same reason his mind wanted the other jews murdered not because of colour but because they were Jews. It may be a fine line but a line it is and what I am saying is that AH was worse than a racist he was a xenophobist.
I really don't follow your logic. Green_Fox_71 is correct in saying the Jews regard themselves as a race as opposed to a religion but you say you have to reject his argument as Hitler would have killed all Jews because they were Jews, not because of Nationality or colour. So you agree Hitler was in fact trying to exterminate an entire race but still reject Green Fox's argument.
Technicaly yes but to be Jewish you dont have to be Black, White or anything else, albeit that a minority are not caucasion some are not, he wasnt killing them because they were black or white he killed them because of the religion they followed, a personal hatred and an excuse/motivation for the people to get behind him, blame someone else for all the ills of the German nation. Racism is about being Black, White, Asian, Chinese, Japanese ...... a Christian living in Israel would not automatically have been a target again there are not many but there are some who go there to experience living in a Kabutz environment. to say he was racist and that was why he killed them detracts from what he was, which as I have said is Xenophobic, a phobia of anyone who wasn't arian.
What about gypsies, he didn't care what race the gypsies were just that they were gypsies which he regarded as people who would never contribute to the Reich. Israel did not exist back then as we all know so they were not a Race as we see races.
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You may be right to question whether being a Christian makes you a member of a race ditto whether being a Roman Catholic or for that matter a Muslim..... because all of these religions are proselytising religions (hope spell check will help me out!).
The Jews and certain other religions did not proselytisye (i.e. actively convert others) and so the membership of the religion is very closely tied to their race
though there are a small number of exceptions I would suggest there is no real room to argue that the Jews are not a distinct "race"
Jack
I would like to concede that point because it does make sense, but think it would be wrong to do so, Polish Jews, Romanian Jews, German Jews, French Jews, Dutch Jews, although they are all caucasions there were a small number of non-caucasion Jews murdered, the fact that their numbers are few being the main reason, the reason that I have to reject the argument is because AH would have killed every Jew if he could, had he found large numbers in Afria or in Asia he would have treated them exactly the same and for the same reason his mind wanted the other jews murdered not because of colour but because they were Jews. It may be a fine line but a line it is and what I am saying is that AH was worse than a racist he was a xenophobist.
I really don't follow your logic. Green_Fox_71 is correct in saying the Jews regard themselves as a race as opposed to a religion but you say you have to reject his argument as Hitler would have killed all Jews because they were Jews, not because of Nationality or colour. So you agree Hitler was in fact trying to exterminate an entire race but still reject Green Fox's argument.
Technicaly yes but to be Jewish you dont have to be Black, White or anything else, albeit that a minority are not caucasion some are not, he wasnt killing them because they were black or white he killed them because of the religion they followed, a personal hatred and an excuse/motivation for the people to get behind him, blame someone else for all the ills of the German nation. Racism is about being Black, White, Asian, Chinese, Japanese ...... a Christian living in Israel would not automatically have been a target again there are not many but there are some who go there to experience living in a Kabutz environment. to say he was racist and that was why he killed them detracts from what he was, which as I have said is Xenophobic, a phobia of anyone who wasn't arian.
What about gypsies, he didn't care what race the gypsies were just that they were gypsies which he regarded as people who would never contribute to the Reich. Israel did not exist back then as we all know so they were not a Race as we see races.
I think you need to go and do a little research on the Jewish people. Racism can be about the colour of skin but not necessarily so. The Jews are a race and have always been so. I also don't think there is any credence in your statement that Hitler had a phobia of anyone not Aryan.
Are you saying that AH was not a Facist ? did you read the definition of Facist I put earlier from wiki ? also collaborated by many other sites.
But, let's say we accept that AH was racist towards Jews, how does that fit in with the rest of his beliefs such as his hatred of gypsies, mentaly disabled, etc, was that racism or xenophobia, was his racism due to his being a facist or was his xenophobia part of his Facist beliefs and his racism just another nasty part of his make-up.
The orignial question was about wether you HAD to be racist to be a Facist or wether being a Facist automatically meant you were racist.
Would AH have still been a Facist if he had not hated the Jews because if he had not hated the jews you could not accuse him of being a facist yet in all other aspects of his rule he was a facist.
But, let's say we accept that AH was racist towards Jews, how does that fit in with the rest of his beliefs such as his hatred of gypsies, mentaly disabled, etc, was that racism or xenophobia, was his racism due to his being a facist or was his xenophobia part of his Facist beliefs and his racism just another nasty part of his make-up.
The orignial question was about wether you HAD to be racist to be a Facist or wether being a Facist automatically meant you were racist.
Would AH have still been a Facist if he had not hated the Jews because if he had not hated the jews you could not accuse him of being a facist yet in all other aspects of his rule he was a facist.
I guess to a point the issue re fascist/racist and the difference can be identified at a basic level....You'd think nothing when in the company of a few friends and having a discussion toe remark 'ya fascist' and said almost in humorous manner, whereas should you say the same re 'racist' you may get a few strange looks.
As for the differences, jeepers, too complex for my already puddled mind to work out with any degree of certainty.
As for the differences, jeepers, too complex for my already puddled mind to work out with any degree of certainty.
He is just celebrating a goal with the fans with the roman salute ... he was an amazing player and is now simply a manager .. what on earth is the fuss about. One statement years ago that he was a facist and a couple of pics after scoring .. which by the way can cause you to do anything with a crowd there .. lets see if he has to use some youth players after dropping the coloured players first match .. why the need to think any more than celebrating a goal and a silly view almost definately now changed after years of experience ... I like Di Canio as a manager and hope he does well .. Sunderland is a huge culture shock to Rome though and he is now in a position where he cant discipline a player with a suntan or its front page news and another labour MP has to resign ..
world gone mad again .. and how did it get to adolf and the other short dicatators too .. bit of a leap from an Italian footie manager to genoside dictator mentalist like Adolf surely
Its football .. fans sing things they would never believe every game .. players arent the sharpist and copy fans after scoring to milk it .. why make it into what its become is madness .. not helped by Wallace's brother resigning before Di Canio even released a statement.
world gone mad again .. and how did it get to adolf and the other short dicatators too .. bit of a leap from an Italian footie manager to genoside dictator mentalist like Adolf surely
Its football .. fans sing things they would never believe every game .. players arent the sharpist and copy fans after scoring to milk it .. why make it into what its become is madness .. not helped by Wallace's brother resigning before Di Canio even released a statement.
It got to Adolf Hitler because he was head of the Facist party in his Country, as was Benito Mussolini in Italy, if De Canio does have Facist beliefs there is a good chance he got them from his Italian upbringing, I am not saying he is wrong to support the party he does but the two most famous Facists in history are AH and BM, I think history shows just what damage they caused in the world with their beliefs.
I think it is important to remind people what a Facist is capable of but please, tell us about some good Facists from history and tell us what is good about the facist policies.
There is no doubt that Facists in the past have preyed on the weak minded stirring hatred against others, nobody can dey that whilst many football crowds are made up of decent people there are also a lot of fans with low intelligence levels and who are easily led.
I think it is important to remind people what a Facist is capable of but please, tell us about some good Facists from history and tell us what is good about the facist policies.
There is no doubt that Facists in the past have preyed on the weak minded stirring hatred against others, nobody can dey that whilst many football crowds are made up of decent people there are also a lot of fans with low intelligence levels and who are easily led.
As an ex player and still fan .. ive at times sung things id never like to hear played back .. mostly about Irish catholics and their lack of potatoes in the Rangers end but after the game back at work all banter with the mates i was singing at during the game .. does that make me a bigot .. im not but was just trying to say .. at football especially after scoring .. with the fans .. anything can happen .. he is a disciplinarian too and this will effect his ability with certain squad members so itll be interesting to see what follows.. but jeeeeez ... Prince Harry dressed as SS and no politicians resigned .. he is manager of Sunderland .. he has enough problems without this nonsense .. At Swindon he kicked a players arse on the pitch and that for me is the mark of a quality manager .. but i think this has lessened his ability to discipline if you are coloured and selection too .. imagine if he drops bramble and any other coloured players first game .. and i would myself as Bramble is shocking .. so why this furore is beyond me and it was years ago the one statement he was a fascist .. how many would all of us need to make with some of the beliefs we all must have in younger years .. lots of fans and most players arent blessed with high iq levels but he is Roman with huge love for his country at a club notorious for fascist fans .. even if he has fascist beliefs .. why should he have to make a statement about them .. the fact they want one means he keeps any to himself as do most of us with out less correct ones ..
How is it relevant .. he is a footie manager and those are dictators responsible for genocide etc .. jeeeeeez ..
How is it relevant .. he is a footie manager and those are dictators responsible for genocide etc .. jeeeeeez ..
Sex God
My understanding of fascism is that it is a belief in the totalitarian state?
If I am on the right tracks with this belief then fascism and racism are only divided by your belief in the racial mix of your state surely?
I believe in the greatest country in the world being where I live, because I live in the UK and I have great people around me. Is that not the basis of fascism?
If I am on the right tracks with this belief then fascism and racism are only divided by your belief in the racial mix of your state surely?
I believe in the greatest country in the world being where I live, because I live in the UK and I have great people around me. Is that not the basis of fascism?
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My understanding of fascism is that it is a belief in the totalitarian state?
If I am on the right tracks with this belief then fascism and racism are only divided by your belief in the racial mix of your state surely?
I believe in the greatest country in the world being where I live, because I live in the UK and I have great people around me. Is that not the basis of fascism?
Not in the slightest, because I doubt you believe in the things that make the difference between National Pride and Facism.
As I said earlier ....... Facism is (from wiki)
Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism that came to prominence in mid-20th century Europe. Fascists seek to unify their nation through a totalitarian state that seeks the mass mobilization of the national community, relying on a vanguard party to initiate a revolution to organize the nation on fascist principles.
Hostile to liberal democracy, socialism, and communism, fascist movements share certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on ultranationalism, ethnocentrism, and militarism.
Fascism views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation and asserts that "superior" nations and races should attain living space by displacing weak and inferior ones.
Hitler was a Facist and according to some a Racist but as I keep saying he had another trait that made him worse than other Facists ...... He was Xenophobic
Wiki on xenophobia
Xenophobia is a dislike or fear of people from other countries or of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange. Some definitions suggest xenophobia as arising from irrationality or unreason. It comes from the Greek words xenos, meaning "stranger," "foreigner," and phobos, meaning "fear."
Xenophobia can manifest itself in many ways involving the relations and perceptions of an ingroup towards an outgroup, including a fear of losing identity, suspicion of its activities, aggression, and desire to eliminate its presence to secure a presumed purity.
Xenophobia can also be exhibited in the form of an "uncritical exaltation of another culture" in which a culture is ascribed "an unreal, stereotyped and exotic quality".
Vienna Declaration and Programme of Action urges all governments to take immediate measures and to develop strong policies to prevent and combat all forms and manifestations of racism, xenophobia or related intolerance, where necessary by enactment of appropriate legislation including penal measure.
Nevertheless, some governments still recognize the value of nationalism.
Let's look closer at some of those statements
fear of people from other countries or of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange. - I think Hitlers view of Jews demonstrates that trait his feelings about the Russians being sub-human, even though he had a strong pact with Stalin and could have bought what he needed from them as we bought from the USA he chose to invade instead, because of his fear of people from other countries and his perceived view of them as a people.
Xenophobia can also be exhibited in the form of an "uncritical exaltation of another culture" in which a culture is ascribed "an unreal, stereotyped and exotic quality". His fascination with the occult, the historic Germanic beliefs and the supernatural ?
forms and manifestations of racism, xenophobia or related intolerance Oh yes those things manifested themselves under his rule.
Whilst his hatred of Jews can be seen as racist by those who see Jews as a race not a religion his treatment of Gypsies and the insane can not as it targetted many nations including Germans. (and German Jews)
In a broader view of things there will always be an element of Facism in ones beliefs but there will be an element of Communism, socialism and Liberalism too, The line between these and the line between facism and racism can be very thin in some areas.
Sex God
Easy on the colours jed. Or do we have to believe in multicolourism as well now?
OK so Hitler was racist for those who believe the Jews to be a race not a religious following, and I do believe that they are now a race but were not back then, back then they did not have Israel, their very own Country/Nation.
What about Mussolini, what were his racist actions apart from obeying his mate ?
Italy did not sanction physical abuse of Jewish citizens, did not execute anyone in the internment camps established for Jews in southern Italy, and did not begin to send Jews to Nazi concentration camps until the German occupation in 1943, under direct orders of the occupying Nazi forces.
Of the 45,000 Jews counted in Mussolini’s census of 1938, about 8,000 died in Nazi camps. About 7,000 managed to flee. About 30,000 lived in hiding before being liberated by Allied troops.
A far cry from what happened to Jews under Nazi rule and Hitlers orders.
What about Mussolini, what were his racist actions apart from obeying his mate ?
Italy did not sanction physical abuse of Jewish citizens, did not execute anyone in the internment camps established for Jews in southern Italy, and did not begin to send Jews to Nazi concentration camps until the German occupation in 1943, under direct orders of the occupying Nazi forces.
Of the 45,000 Jews counted in Mussolini’s census of 1938, about 8,000 died in Nazi camps. About 7,000 managed to flee. About 30,000 lived in hiding before being liberated by Allied troops.
A far cry from what happened to Jews under Nazi rule and Hitlers orders.
Sex God
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Not in the slightest, because I doubt you believe in the things that make the difference between National Pride and Facism.
Apart from trying to confuse and dazzle me with many colours; You'll have to treat me like an idiot here, many do anyway
fascism is fundamentally a belief in your own nation is it not?
Well yes but most people believe in their own Nation apparently not as much as we used to as we have given it away and we are now part of a larger nation being just a state within the EU.
It is joining that belief in your nation with the feeling that you have to take your nation by force under one leader, a dictator and turning it into a military state, Germany, Italy during the 1930s, Argentian under Galtieri, Russia under Stalin, giving your chosen leader indisputable power, the mass mobilization of the national community.
Fascist movements share certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on ultranationalism, ethnocentrism, and militarism. Fascism views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation - do you believe we should do that ? get out of our current economic situation by invading other countries, using violence towards those we think responsibe in part for our situation (for many that would be the Poles, Asians and Muslims).
Do you believe that the Military should run this country under a dictator ?
The typical fascist state also embraced militarism, a belief in the rigors and virtues of military life as an individual and national ideal, meaning much of public life is organized along military lines and an emphasis is put on uniforms, parades, and monumental architecture. are you ready to don your uniform and report for training ?
It is joining that belief in your nation with the feeling that you have to take your nation by force under one leader, a dictator and turning it into a military state, Germany, Italy during the 1930s, Argentian under Galtieri, Russia under Stalin, giving your chosen leader indisputable power, the mass mobilization of the national community.
Fascist movements share certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on ultranationalism, ethnocentrism, and militarism. Fascism views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation - do you believe we should do that ? get out of our current economic situation by invading other countries, using violence towards those we think responsibe in part for our situation (for many that would be the Poles, Asians and Muslims).
Do you believe that the Military should run this country under a dictator ?
The typical fascist state also embraced militarism, a belief in the rigors and virtues of military life as an individual and national ideal, meaning much of public life is organized along military lines and an emphasis is put on uniforms, parades, and monumental architecture. are you ready to don your uniform and report for training ?
Sex God
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Well yes but most people believe in their own Nation apparently not as much as we used to as we have given it away and we are now part of a larger nation being just a state within the EU.
So joining the EU is a good thing then? because we are less likely to fight our traditional warring partners.
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It is joining that belief in your nation with the feeling that you have to take your nation by force under one leader, a dictator and turning it into a military state, Germany, Italy during the 1930s, Argentian under Galtieri, Russia under Stalin, giving your chosen leader indisputable power, the mass mobilization of the national community.
Fascist movements share certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on ultranationalism, ethnocentrism, and militarism. Fascism views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation - do you believe we should do that ? (1) get out of our current economic situation by invading other countries, using violence towards those we think responsibe in part for our situation (for many that would be the Poles and Asians). (2)
Wow, not wikipedia. But not your words either.
However I'll answer your questions thus:
1: I do not support the use of war, political violence or imperialism. Where do you get the idea that I do?
2: Our present situation is dire. But I believe our own people are responsible for that, after all they tended to work in our City.
Quote by MidsCouple24Did I say I do? No I believe I did not.
Do you believe that the Military should run this country under a dictator ?
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The typical fascist state also embraced militarism, a belief in the rigors and virtues of military life as an individual and national ideal, meaning much of public life is organized along military lines and an emphasis is put on uniforms, parades, and monumental architecture. are you ready to don your uniform and report for training ?
What a stupid question.
Hey it was you that was starting to believe you might have facist tendancies and saying you might have, I was just making the point as I said that I seriously doubt you would be thinking along the lines facists do with the exception of believing in your Nation. In order to be a facist you would have to believe in the things I asked in the questions so now you have your answer, your a Patriot not a facist because as I suspected you do not believe in all the things the facist believe in. You did ask for the idiot version idiots need things put bluntly most of the time 
idiots need things put bluntly most of the time The Nazi salute which Di Canio did to Roma's right wing Ultra's is a symbol, no different a signal than when the English Defense League do it. Some things in life can mean the same thing no matter who does it.
Can anyone spot the difference between the picture of Di Canio and this picture of the EDl?
It is a salute that shows who you are, what you are, and more importantly who you believe in.
Can anyone spot the difference between the picture of Di Canio and this picture of the EDl?
It is a salute that shows who you are, what you are, and more importantly who you believe in.
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Are you saying that AH was not a Facist ? did you read the definition of Facist I put earlier from wiki ? also collaborated by many other sites.
But, let's say we accept that AH was racist towards Jews, how does that fit in with the rest of his beliefs such as his hatred of gypsies, mentaly disabled, etc, was that racism or xenophobia, was his racism due to his being a facist or was his xenophobia part of his Facist beliefs and his racism just another nasty part of his make-up.
The orignial question was about wether you HAD to be racist to be a Facist or wether being a Facist automatically meant you were racist.
Would AH have still been a Facist if he had not hated the Jews because if he had not hated the jews you could not accuse him of being a facist yet in all other aspects of his rule he was a facist.
Where did I say Hitler was not a fascist? How does the Nazi party's treatment of the mentally disabled make Hitler xenophobic? What is your understanding of "Aryan"?
You should really check who he played for before declaring someone has no clue stars .. he played for Lazio as a Roman in Rome .. .. oh and who was first .. early Romans with salute or 1940s nazi salute .. he is a Roman playing for a roman team and I know what ultras are thanks ..
Have a read and get some clues before you accuse others of lacking them stars .. embarrassing again !!!!
you got it now ... the only person wrong about it all accusing others of having no clue just .... embarrassed for you now .. so this clueless know naff all person .. thatll be you then .. yes? oh my sides .. quality indeed .. at least if your gonna have a dig stars have a google before hand .. wow .. spectacular massive fail fella ... funny though lol
J
Have a read and get some clues before you accuse others of lacking them stars .. embarrassing again !!!!
you got it now ... the only person wrong about it all accusing others of having no clue just .... embarrassed for you now .. so this clueless know naff all person .. thatll be you then .. yes? oh my sides .. quality indeed .. at least if your gonna have a dig stars have a google before hand .. wow .. spectacular massive fail fella ... funny though lol
J
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Hey it was you that was starting to believe you might have facist tendancies and saying you might have, I was just making the point as I said that I seriously doubt you would be thinking along the lines facists do with the exception of believing in your Nation. In order to be a facist you would have to believe in the things I asked in the questions so now you have your answer, your a Patriot not a facist because as I suspected you do not believe in all the things the facist believe in. You did ask for the idiot version
The trouble is you are trying to define fascism based on your own and wikipedias belief. Try reading and you might find, like me, that it's not exactly clear cut.
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Hey it was you that was starting to believe you might have facist tendancies and saying you might have, I was just making the point as I said that I seriously doubt you would be thinking along the lines facists do with the exception of believing in your Nation. In order to be a facist you would have to believe in the things I asked in the questions so now you have your answer, your a Patriot not a facist because as I suspected you do not believe in all the things the facist believe in. You did ask for the idiot version
The trouble is you are trying to define fascism based on your own and wikipedias belief. Try reading and you might find, like me, that it's not exactly clear cut.
You are so right, the word means different things to different people, there is no clear etched in stone definition of the word, one reason why I said earlier in this thread that I could not debate it anymore, and said that we would have to agree to disagree on the matter since without a clear meaning to the word nobody can be right and nobody can be wrong, those who say facism is always racist cannot prove this in the same way I cannot prove the opposite, It would appear from what the link you posted that the word is no longer really valid.
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Are you saying that AH was not a Facist ? did you read the definition of Facist I put earlier from wiki ? also collaborated by many other sites.
But, let's say we accept that AH was racist towards Jews, how does that fit in with the rest of his beliefs such as his hatred of gypsies, mentaly disabled, etc, was that racism or xenophobia, was his racism due to his being a facist or was his xenophobia part of his Facist beliefs and his racism just another nasty part of his make-up.
The orignial question was about wether you HAD to be racist to be a Facist or wether being a Facist automatically meant you were racist.
Would AH have still been a Facist if he had not hated the Jews because if he had not hated the jews you could not accuse him of being a facist yet in all other aspects of his rule he was a facist.
Where did I say Hitler was not a fascist? How does the Nazi party's treatment of the mentally disabled make Hitler xenophobic? What is your understanding of "Aryan"?
You didn't say Hitler was not a fascist, I didn't understand quite what you were saying which is why I asked the question "are you saying that AH was not a Facist ?" you see the words "are you" with the question mark at the end of sentance mean that it is a question as opposed to a view or a statement.
My understanding of Aryan is a belief in a Causican Master Race.
The popular definition of the word xenophobic shows that AH treatment of many groups of people including the insane, homosexuals and gypsies, fall into this category, fear of those you find strange.
