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Sex God
Weight abuse? fat bastards? KILL THEM ALL!
Quote by flower411
you could all try adding a little common sense to the debate.
think about what a calorie is. it's a unit of measurement, nothing more. The calorie debate since the invention of weight watchers and various other pseudo-scientific groups is one big red herring. It's not how many calories one consumes, it's in what form and how the body processes it that counts. If you want to go back to basic biology, think about how food gets from ya stomach to a fat cell, then you'll realise all the diet advice on NHS and BBC et al is all based on predjudice and ignorance, not science.
as for exercise, that's a smokescreen for all the smug i go for a run every day and i'm skinny brigade.
I sooooo knew that a thread about diet and exercise would get you back in here !!!
well i did let a few pass, but it is about time some of the myths were dispersed.
Sex God
The fat/overweight/obese issue is a big problem in our society and Kenty is right to bring this nonsenical report to our attention.
Being overweight in your 20's and 30's is no real issue but once you turn 40 you are putting your life in danger through risk of diabetes, hardening of the arteries, stroke and heart disease. You owe it to yourself and your family to take as much care of yourself as you do of them.
No need to be anal and boring about it, but any Doctor wil tell you that if you want quality of life in your middle ages years don't eat the extra calories suggested in the report and DO undertake a bit more exercise. It's just common sense as many others have said in this thread.
Being overweight in your 20's and 30's is no real issue but once you turn 40 you are putting your life in danger through risk of diabetes, hardening of the arteries, stroke and heart disease. You owe it to yourself and your family to take as much care of yourself as you do of them.
No need to be anal and boring about it, but any Doctor wil tell you that if you want quality of life in your middle ages years don't eat the extra calories suggested in the report and DO undertake a bit more exercise. It's just common sense as many others have said in this thread.
Quote by Too Hot
The fat/overweight/obese issue is a big problem in our society and Kenty is right to bring this nonsenical report to our attention.
Being overweight in your 20's and 30's is no real issue but once you turn 40 you are putting your life in danger through risk of diabetes, hardening of the arteries, stroke and heart disease. You owe it to yourself and your family to take as much care of yourself as you do of them.
No need to be anal and boring about it, but any Doctor wil tell you that if you want quality of life in your middle ages years don't eat the extra calories suggested in the report and DO undertake a bit more exercise. It's just common sense as many others have said in this thread.
Exactly the kind of prejudicial nonsense that’s peddled about all the time. Every single scientific study has shown that the correlation of calorific intake and weight gain is very spurious indeed and exercise plays a very minor role. And by scientific study I mean the ones with out a pre-determined outcome where any evidence that goes against the wanted result is disregarded.
For example, eat calories of grass every day, see how fat you get.
As for sports, there is hundreds of thousands of people in this country who played sports when they were younger, suffering from bad backs, knees shoulders, you name it, so it didn’t do their quality of life in later years any good.
As I said in earlier post, a calorie is a unit of measurement, and not a very accurate guide for anything.
As for the NHS guidelines, have you not thought it might be that that’s causing the problem and not the solution.
Kryps a question for ya.
When I was a kid in the 60's I can only ever remember one fat kid out of all my mates.
In my school which had nearly three thousand kids in it, there were about ten kids that in todays climate, would be classed as overweight.....why was that?
Why now do we have a huge ammount of kids that are obese? Why do we have huge ammounts of adults walking our high streets?
What has happened in the last 30 years to now end up with a huge obesity problem?
My take is very simple....in the 60's and the 70's fast food was certainly not as readily availbale as it is today....check every high street to see how many take away shops there are now.
Coupled with as a kid we were always out on our bikes, or playing football. There were not no computer games around then to slouch around for hours playing.
Fast food.....the wrong food ( microwave crap every night )and lack of decent excersise, are a major factor in todays weight issues.
Most overweight people I know accept that it is their lifestyle that makes them overweight.
Kids when I was young had PROPER food cooked for them every day. Now kids come home from school and have to fend for themselves, either through money to go to maccy d's, or a microwave box of rubbish. Then they sit at the computer or their Playstations as their daily excersise task.
Obesity was never a problem 40 years ago, but it most certainly is now...and being overweight is like smoking ( which I am one btw )....it is in later life that health issues will come to the fore, as has been mentioned above.
I see many kids who are overweight out with their parents in Maccy d's, and I think how irresponsible those parents are.....some have said a form of abuse. A bit strong maybe but it has been said.
I will wait for ya rant back Kryps.
When I was a kid in the 60's I can only ever remember one fat kid out of all my mates.
In my school which had nearly three thousand kids in it, there were about ten kids that in todays climate, would be classed as overweight.....why was that?
Why now do we have a huge ammount of kids that are obese? Why do we have huge ammounts of adults walking our high streets?
What has happened in the last 30 years to now end up with a huge obesity problem?
My take is very simple....in the 60's and the 70's fast food was certainly not as readily availbale as it is today....check every high street to see how many take away shops there are now.
Coupled with as a kid we were always out on our bikes, or playing football. There were not no computer games around then to slouch around for hours playing.
Fast food.....the wrong food ( microwave crap every night )and lack of decent excersise, are a major factor in todays weight issues.
Most overweight people I know accept that it is their lifestyle that makes them overweight.
Kids when I was young had PROPER food cooked for them every day. Now kids come home from school and have to fend for themselves, either through money to go to maccy d's, or a microwave box of rubbish. Then they sit at the computer or their Playstations as their daily excersise task.
Obesity was never a problem 40 years ago, but it most certainly is now...and being overweight is like smoking ( which I am one btw )....it is in later life that health issues will come to the fore, as has been mentioned above.
I see many kids who are overweight out with their parents in Maccy d's, and I think how irresponsible those parents are.....some have said a form of abuse. A bit strong maybe but it has been said.
I will wait for ya rant back Kryps.
Sex God
Very happy to agree to live and let live - you believe what you want to believe and I will believe what I want to be believe, which by the way, has been brought about by personal experience.
Good luck
Exactly the kind of prejudicial nonsense that’s peddled about all the time. Every single scientific study has shown that the correlation of calorific intake and weight gain is very spurious indeed and exercise plays a very minor role. And by scientific study I mean the ones with out a pre-determined outcome where any evidence that goes against the wanted result is disregarded.
For example, eat calories of grass every day, see how fat you get.
As for sports, there is hundreds of thousands of people in this country who played sports when they were younger, suffering from bad backs, knees shoulders, you name it, so it didn’t do their quality of life in later years any good.
As I said in earlier post, a calorie is a unit of measurement, and not a very accurate guide for anything.
As for the NHS guidelines, have you not thought it might be that that’s causing the problem and not the solution.
Good luck
Quote by Kryps-jaq
The fat/overweight/obese issue is a big problem in our society and Kenty is right to bring this nonsenical report to our attention.
Being overweight in your 20's and 30's is no real issue but once you turn 40 you are putting your life in danger through risk of diabetes, hardening of the arteries, stroke and heart disease. You owe it to yourself and your family to take as much care of yourself as you do of them.
No need to be anal and boring about it, but any Doctor wil tell you that if you want quality of life in your middle ages years don't eat the extra calories suggested in the report and DO undertake a bit more exercise. It's just common sense as many others have said in this thread.
Exactly the kind of prejudicial nonsense that’s peddled about all the time. Every single scientific study has shown that the correlation of calorific intake and weight gain is very spurious indeed and exercise plays a very minor role. And by scientific study I mean the ones with out a pre-determined outcome where any evidence that goes against the wanted result is disregarded.
For example, eat calories of grass every day, see how fat you get.
As for sports, there is hundreds of thousands of people in this country who played sports when they were younger, suffering from bad backs, knees shoulders, you name it, so it didn’t do their quality of life in later years any good.
As I said in earlier post, a calorie is a unit of measurement, and not a very accurate guide for anything.
As for the NHS guidelines, have you not thought it might be that that’s causing the problem and not the solution.
Quote by Kryps-jaq
The fat/overweight/obese issue is a big problem in our society and Kenty is right to bring this nonsenical report to our attention.
Being overweight in your 20's and 30's is no real issue but once you turn 40 you are putting your life in danger through risk of diabetes, hardening of the arteries, stroke and heart disease. You owe it to yourself and your family to take as much care of yourself as you do of them.
No need to be anal and boring about it, but any Doctor wil tell you that if you want quality of life in your middle ages years don't eat the extra calories suggested in the report and DO undertake a bit more exercise. It's just common sense as many others have said in this thread.
Exactly the kind of prejudicial nonsense that’s peddled about all the time. Every single scientific study has shown that the correlation of calorific intake and weight gain is very spurious indeed and exercise plays a very minor role. And by scientific study I mean the ones with out a pre-determined outcome where any evidence that goes against the wanted result is disregarded.
For example, eat calories of grass every day, see how fat you get.
As for sports, there is hundreds of thousands of people in this country who played sports when they were younger, suffering from bad backs, knees shoulders, you name it, so it didn’t do their quality of life in later years any good.
As I said in earlier post, a calorie is a unit of measurement, and not a very accurate guide for anything.
As for the NHS guidelines, have you not thought it might be that that’s causing the problem and not the solution.
Cows do seem to be a rather large animal.
Quote by kentswingers777
The fat/overweight/obese issue is a big problem in our society and Kenty is right to bring this nonsenical report to our attention.
Being overweight in your 20's and 30's is no real issue but once you turn 40 you are putting your life in danger through risk of diabetes, hardening of the arteries, stroke and heart disease. You owe it to yourself and your family to take as much care of yourself as you do of them.
No need to be anal and boring about it, but any Doctor wil tell you that if you want quality of life in your middle ages years don't eat the extra calories suggested in the report and DO undertake a bit more exercise. It's just common sense as many others have said in this thread.
Exactly the kind of prejudicial nonsense that’s peddled about all the time. Every single scientific study has shown that the correlation of calorific intake and weight gain is very spurious indeed and exercise plays a very minor role. And by scientific study I mean the ones with out a pre-determined outcome where any evidence that goes against the wanted result is disregarded.
For example, eat calories of grass every day, see how fat you get.
As for sports, there is hundreds of thousands of people in this country who played sports when they were younger, suffering from bad backs, knees shoulders, you name it, so it didn’t do their quality of life in later years any good.
As I said in earlier post, a calorie is a unit of measurement, and not a very accurate guide for anything.
As for the NHS guidelines, have you not thought it might be that that’s causing the problem and not the solution.
Cows do seem to be a rather large animal.
yea, trouble is the energy in grass is in the form of cellulose which is undigestable in the human body so passes straight through and you'd die of starvation.
Sex God
I cant believe anyone would refute such common sense. Consume more calories than you burn and the calories will store as fat. Even the infamous Dr Atkins suggested portion control as a way of controlling calorie intake in his low carb diet.
I have gone from 16.5 stone to 14 stone in a year through dietry changes and exercise the results are startling:
BMI down from obese to normal
Cholestrol down from high to normal
Heart Burn - thing of the past
Snoring - Thing of the past
Back troubles - not anymore
Not to mention the general spin offs of generally feeling lighter, more nimble, more alive and much more energy. Feeling good also has a great effect on confidence and I would do my utmost to encourage anyone looking to lose a bit of weight go for it. Consume less calories than you burn and you will lose weight, feel better for it and give yourself a far better chance of a healthier existence with a good quality of life.
The hardest bit of your journey is your first step.
I have gone from 16.5 stone to 14 stone in a year through dietry changes and exercise the results are startling:
BMI down from obese to normal
Cholestrol down from high to normal
Heart Burn - thing of the past
Snoring - Thing of the past
Back troubles - not anymore
Not to mention the general spin offs of generally feeling lighter, more nimble, more alive and much more energy. Feeling good also has a great effect on confidence and I would do my utmost to encourage anyone looking to lose a bit of weight go for it. Consume less calories than you burn and you will lose weight, feel better for it and give yourself a far better chance of a healthier existence with a good quality of life.
The hardest bit of your journey is your first step.
Quote by john469
Just to finish here, I'll use a picture to make a graphic point re: energy in/energy out.
Take a look at this pic of pro bodybuilder Lee Priest; you can see what eating more and doing less will do.
As the pic shows, its his job to overeat and do less, just before engaging in a phase of eating less and doing more; I guess someone really needs to tell him about how 'Every single scientific study has shown that the correlation of calorific intake blah blah blah':
So, if those two pics are a before and after of the same guy, there's hope for me yet then John :hunk:
(he says, reaching for the chest expanders) :grin:
Quote by john469
Just to finish here, I'll use a picture to make a graphic point re: energy in/energy out.
Take a look at this pic of pro bodybuilder Lee Priest; you can see what eating more and doing less will do.
As the pic shows, its his job to overeat and do less, just before engaging in a phase of eating less and doing more; I guess someone really needs to tell him about how 'Every single scientific study has shown that the correlation of calorific intake blah blah blah':
you're not thinking straight are you.
a calorie is a unit of measurement, you can no more store a calorie than you can a centimetre or a watt.
to store, it must have physical form. It's what that form is that counts, not how much energy it gives off in a calorimeter
Quote by Kryps-jaq
Just to finish here, I'll use a picture to make a graphic point re: energy in/energy out.
Take a look at this pic of pro bodybuilder Lee Priest; you can see what eating more and doing less will do.
As the pic shows, its his job to overeat and do less, just before engaging in a phase of eating less and doing more; I guess someone really needs to tell him about how 'Every single scientific study has shown that the correlation of calorific intake blah blah blah':
you're not thinking straight are you.
a calorie is a unit of measurement, you can no more store a calorie than you can a centimetre or a watt.
to store, it must have physical form. It's what that form is that counts, not how much energy it gives off in a calorimeter
Bodybuilders are clinically obese and just as likely if not moreso to have a coronary as a result of it because of all the strenuous exercise. Then of course there are anabolic steroids, which of course none of them ever use! ;)
Quote by john469
you're not thinking straight are you.
a calorie is a unit of measurement, you can no more store a calorie than you can a centimetre or a watt.
to store, it must have physical form. It's what that form is that counts, not how much energy it gives off in a calorimeter
no offence but:
No shit, is a calorie a unit of energy? no, really? is it? nah, go on!!!
Wow, there was I thinking that we measure the energy in food by the number of calories of which pertain to said food. I mean, damn, what else would we measure food energy with? fairy teeth?
Sir/madam, might I inform you that I am infact thinking perfectly straight, and it is you that leaves one wondering if you have ever availed yourself re: the definition of irony?
You really didnt read this article I linked to earlier, did ya? come on, meet me half way here, just give it a whirl, you'll be better for it, honest
For those who might actually be interested in this lark (and who might want to learn how to decipher nutrional 'numbers' on a food label) check this out:
As said, we measure the energy in food with the calorie unit:
ie: carbohydrates will have 4 calories per gram, as will protein, whereas fat differs slightly and has a mighty 9 calories per gram.
Thus, if you eat twenty Cadburys Creme Eggs you will have consumed the following:
Based on 1 creme egg 39g, which is:
- carbs x 4 = cals from carbs
- protein x 4 = cals from carbs
- fat x 9 = cals from fat
- calories
So: x 20 Creme Eggs =
- carbs 553.8 x 4 = 2215.2 cals
- protein 23.4 x 4 = 93.6 cals
- fat 124.8 x 9 = 1123.2 cals
- calories 3471
...So, if you had consumed those 20 creme eggs whislt sat on your ass all day (a feat which would have required no more than approx 1600 cals TEE) you would now be 'in the black' to the tune of about 1800cals with your fat bank.
If you did this each day for a good month, you would have credited yourself with a massive 50400 calories from food energy, which would equate to you being rewarded with one stone of lard (one lb of fat contains approx 3500 calories)
And that, as Paul Daniels might say, isnt magic, but it is how folks who eat more than they use get fat.
Hope this isnt boring you 'too' much :)
so intake equals calories of grass, tell me what happens?
Sex God
Quote by john469
I cant believe anyone would refute such common sense. Consume more calories than you burn and the calories will store as fat. Even the infamous Dr Atkins suggested portion control as a way of controlling calorie intake in his low carb diet.
I have gone from 16.5 stone to 14 stone in a year through dietry changes and exercise the results are startling:
BMI down from obese to normal
Cholestrol down from high to normal
Heart Burn - thing of the past
Snoring - Thing of the past
Back troubles - not anymore
Not to mention the general spin offs of generally feeling lighter, more nimble, more alive and much more energy. Feeling good also has a great effect on confidence and I would do my utmost to encourage anyone looking to lose a bit of weight go for it. Consume less calories than you burn and you will lose weight, feel better for it and give yourself a far better chance of a healthier existence with a good quality of life.
The hardest bit of your journey is your first step.
Great to see its working for you, although for the untold millions who dont possess your superior genetics it probably wont, I mean 'every single scientific study has shown that the correlation of calorific intake and weight gain is very spurious indeede' LOL, sorry, ahem ;)
Seriously though, what you mentioned about general health declining from about 30 onwards is so true, and its largely due to dietary related inflammatory conditions.
Have you tried going low carb with 35-40% of daily intake coming from high quality protein sources?
Once you discover just how addictive sugar actually is (especially the refined varieties such as HFCS ie: man made, nutritionally perverse compounds that we have in NO WAY evolved to eat) and moreso the rush from beating that addiction and the benefits it brings (not feeling like shit upon waking, no sugar crashes, reduction in inflammation etc) your quality of life only improves, as you have yourself noted with the changes already made.
Please explain comment highlighted and in bold. I am just an ordinary guy who had seen his weight rise a few pounds every year and been uneilling and/or unmotivated to do anything about it until i got a bad cholestrol reading and the Dr told me my fortune.
With help from Mrs Hot and some willpower in the bginning I started my journey and slowly and gradually so many different things improved.
No superior genetics there my friend I just did what I know I should have done a long time ago.
Sex God
Quote by Kryps-jaq
all your points prove to me you have no idea how the human body works.
Are you just in this debate for fun? You can't be serious about the comments that you are making surely?
Please dont take this the wrong way and I am no scientist or biologist but it is simply a fact of day to day living that if you eat too much and don't exercise enough you will get fat.
It is beyond my understanding how you can even question this. It is happening all over the world, all around us and has happened for thousands of years.
My very basic biology was of the understanding that the body requires energy to function and the energy we get is provided from the food that we consume.
To mainatin weight Energy in = Energy out
To gain weight Energy in > Energy out
To lose weight Energy in < Energy out
Quote by Too Hot
all your points prove to me you have no idea how the human body works.
Are you just in this debate for fun? You can't be serious about the comments that you are making surely?
Please dont take this the wrong way and I am no scientist or biologist but it is simply a fact of day to day living that if you eat too much and don't exercise enough you will get fat.
It is beyond my understanding how you can even question this. It is happening all over the world, all around us and has happened for thousands of years.
My very basic biology was of the understanding that the body requires energy to function and the energy we get is provided from the food that we consume.
To mainatin weight Energy in = Energy out
To gain weight Energy in > Energy out
To lose weight Energy in < Energy out
the energy in over energy out simplification is just that, a simple version for the masses to use as a mantra when logic proves the opposite. You are arguing over a point over which you have no knowledge but it has been so indoctrinated that to say the opposite is tantamount to heresy.
Your argument does not explain how a “calorie†which is a unit of measurement gets from your stomach to say a fat cell in your arm or leg, it didn’t wander there of it’s own accord. It doesn’t explain the process of digestion or energy use, it doesn’t explain why some people can do no exercise and eat like a horse and stay skinny, and others, including well known sportsman, can train all the time and still get fat. The calories thing is one big red herring as I said before. It is not the total number of calories that matters, it is in what form. Hence the grass analogy.
Now ask yourself this question, What is stored in a fat cell? and how did it get there?
As an " idiot " with regards to how the body works, I must admit that from what I have seen, IF you eat too much and take no excersise, then you will gain weight.
The increase over the last 20 years of obesity in our younsters, proves that point.
Why were there very few obese people about in the 60's and 70's? Now walk down any high street, and suoermarket, any school, and you will see obese people everywhere.
Now unless people's genetics have changed over the last 20 years, the only change I can see is people's eating habits. Sorry but too many pies does make you fat. I know a few people that are obese according to their Doctors, and they all admit it is because they eat too much.
That is how it seems to me.
The increase over the last 20 years of obesity in our younsters, proves that point.
Why were there very few obese people about in the 60's and 70's? Now walk down any high street, and suoermarket, any school, and you will see obese people everywhere.
Now unless people's genetics have changed over the last 20 years, the only change I can see is people's eating habits. Sorry but too many pies does make you fat. I know a few people that are obese according to their Doctors, and they all admit it is because they eat too much.
That is how it seems to me.
Sex God
How many people sat in front of pc's all day back in the 60's and 70's ?
How many kids came home from school and sat in front of pc's and games consoles till it was bedtime in the 60's and 70's ?
It is a lot to do with lack of excersise..
How many kids came home from school and sat in front of pc's and games consoles till it was bedtime in the 60's and 70's ?
It is a lot to do with lack of excersise..
Quote by Steve
How many people sat in front of pc's all day back in the 60's and 70's ?
How many kids came home from school and sat in front of pc's and games consoles till it was bedtime in the 60's and 70's ?
It is a lot to do with lack of excersise..
the exercise thing again. how many kids went home in the 60s and 70s and read books and watched telly , they didn't get fat. and how does it explain those today that are skinny and play games machines. that is all rose tinted specs stuff.
