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Is this Climate Change Malarky a money making Con or not?
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Quote by Dave__Notts
Anyone here can PROVE 100% it is happening?...thought not.
Can you prove 100% it is not happening?.....thought not.
I will wait and see as I am undecided.
Dave_Notts
Dave - simply - pretty much - yes
The existing "proof" of it occurring has been exposed as a tissue of lies, deceit, dissembling and fabrication, by the revelations from the CRU emails, data sets and program codes being made publicly available - this story has yet to fully break.
The simple facts are, that the earth has been warming at a steady rate for the last 11,000 years following the end of the last ice age, as we've entered a cycle of natural global warming. The rate of warming has absolutely not been affected to any discernible degree by humankind and industrialisation.
The greenhouse theory is shot to pieces, as data show that temperature leads CO2, not the other way round, man made CO2 release has had no discernible effect on the general trend in global temperature increase - which as I've said - continues at the same rate, with substantial fluctuations, that it has for the last 11,000 years.
In fact, we are undergoing one of these fluctuations right now. For the last 10 years, global temperatures have fallen. For the ecomentalists, this was the last straw, in desperation to make the data fit their model, they just made it up and threw away the real figures.
This is what the scandal is about.
All this is verifiable - I've already posted way too much on this and now having to repeat myself.
Quote by easyrider_xxx
Anyone here can PROVE 100% it is happening?...thought not.
Can you prove 100% it is not happening?.....thought not.
I will wait and see as I am undecided.
Dave_Notts
Dave - simply - pretty much - yes
The existing "proof" of it occurring has been exposed as a tissue of lies, deceit, dissembling and fabrication, by the revelations from the CRU emails, data sets and program codes being made publicly available - this story has yet to fully break.
The simple facts are, that the earth has been warming at a steady rate for the last 11,000 years following the end of the last ice age, as we've entered a cycle of natural global warming. The rate of warming has absolutely not been affected to any discernible degree by humankind and industrialisation.
The greenhouse theory is shot to pieces, as data show that temperature leads CO2, not the other way round, man made CO2 release has had no discernible effect on the general trend in global temperature increase - which as I've said - continues at the same rate, with substantial fluctuations, that it has for the last 11,000 years.
In fact, we are undergoing one of these fluctuations right now. For the last 10 years, global temperatures have fallen. For the ecomentalists, this was the last straw, in desperation to make the data fit their model, they just made it up and threw away the real figures.
This is what the scandal is about.
All this is verifiable - I've already posted way too much on this and now having to repeat myself.
If, as you say, all this is verifiable, why hasn't it been verified and the whole global warming issue been debunked as a myth?
Quote by Max777
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If, as you say, all this is verifiable, why hasn't it been verified and the whole global warming issue been debunked as a myth?
because it suits our lords and masters to have another line of tax available to them
I mean, fgs, "a third runway at Heathrow will make no significant contribution to climate change" and in the next breath "... but we will have to increase ticket prices to compensate for it".
Speak volumes, does it not?
if it was 100% so easy to see its a con....would not every newspaper in the land......be onto this and have massive headlines.....or are you saying..every editor has been paid off to keep quiet as well !!!!! Oh yes....they must al be in on it...along with every head of government and all leading scientists then !!
I can not be 100% sure about what extent the global warming is man made. Can we actually be 100% about anything......some people still think tobacco doesn't cause cancer !! Just look at the fumes coming out of all cars going the road ; take a look at the fumes coming out of factories ; take a look at the fumes coming out of local power station....this is all going into atmosphere. So yes....I think this has an effect.
Bury your head in the sand if you want.......but I think its fairly Obvious that if you keep throwing rubbish and poluteing the atmosphere....things wil change. Bury your head in the sand if you want.......or change our ways. I know which one I'm attempting to do !!
I can not be 100% sure about what extent the global warming is man made. Can we actually be 100% about anything......some people still think tobacco doesn't cause cancer !! Just look at the fumes coming out of all cars going the road ; take a look at the fumes coming out of factories ; take a look at the fumes coming out of local power station....this is all going into atmosphere. So yes....I think this has an effect.
Bury your head in the sand if you want.......but I think its fairly Obvious that if you keep throwing rubbish and poluteing the atmosphere....things wil change. Bury your head in the sand if you want.......or change our ways. I know which one I'm attempting to do !!
Quote by GnV
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If, as you say, all this is verifiable, why hasn't it been verified and the whole global warming issue been debunked as a myth?
because it suits our lords and masters to have another line of tax available to them
I mean, fgs, "a third runway at Heathrow will make no significant contribution to climate change" and in the next breath "... but we will have to increase ticket prices to compensate for it".
Speak volumes, does it not?
GNV
I was referring to the academic sceptics, of which there are many. If it was as cut and dried as Easyrider claims it to be, they would be shouting it from the rooftops.......I'm yet to hear any shouting.
Quote by deancannock
if it was 100% so easy to see its a con....would not every newspaper in the land......be onto this and have massive headlines.....or are you saying..every editor has been paid off to keep quiet as well !!!!! Oh yes....they must al be in on it...along with every head of government and all leading scientists then !!
Bury your head in the sand if you want.......but I think its fairly Obvious that if you keep throwing rubbish and poluteing the atmosphere....things wil change. Bury your head in the sand if you want.......or change our ways. I know which one I'm attempting to do !!
No-one that I can see in this thread or anywhere else has said other than throwing rubbish away and polluting the atmosphere is bad.
What people are objecting to is being conned out of paying more tax on a lie whilst the people doing the very taxing are living the life of Riley on yet another junket at the tax payers' expense :shock:
Quote by Max777
snip...
If, as you say, all this is verifiable, why hasn't it been verified and the whole global warming issue been debunked as a myth?
because it suits our lords and masters to have another line of tax available to them
I mean, fgs, "a third runway at Heathrow will make no significant contribution to climate change" and in the next breath "... but we will have to increase ticket prices to compensate for it".
Speak volumes, does it not?
GNV
I was referring to the academic sceptics, of which there are many. If it was as cut and dried as Easyrider claims it to be, they would be shouting it from the rooftops.......I'm yet to hear any shouting.
Isn't that what they are doing and how we insignificant minions got to know about it?
Quote by GnV
snip...
If, as you say, all this is verifiable, why hasn't it been verified and the whole global warming issue been debunked as a myth?
because it suits our lords and masters to have another line of tax available to them
I mean, fgs, "a third runway at Heathrow will make no significant contribution to climate change" and in the next breath "... but we will have to increase ticket prices to compensate for it".
Speak volumes, does it not?
GNV
I was referring to the academic sceptics, of which there are many. If it was as cut and dried as Easyrider claims it to be, they would be shouting it from the rooftops.......I'm yet to hear any shouting.
Isn't that what they are doing and how we insignificant minions got to know about it?
Is it? I am well aware of the e-mail "scandal" re East Anglia University but if the outcome of that was as cut and dried as some of the posters on here seem to think, then the Copenhagen summit would have already been derailed. Don't get me wrong, I am a sceptic but I think people are jumping the gun somewhat and the jury is still out.
Why would anyone believe something when there is no actual hard proof it is happening?
These fantastic scientists cannot prove it is happening. With all the available resources open to them, they still cannot prove it.
Until they can prove it, then I will be a sceptic a big one at that.
Climate change is a figment of Governments imaginations, to line their own pockets of our money.
Of course nobody can prove it is or is not happening, so why believe something is happening when there is no concrete proof?
It is the God arguement again....believe or do not believe....but to me it is all talk with no hard facts....
These fantastic scientists cannot prove it is happening. With all the available resources open to them, they still cannot prove it.
Until they can prove it, then I will be a sceptic a big one at that.
Climate change is a figment of Governments imaginations, to line their own pockets of our money.
Of course nobody can prove it is or is not happening, so why believe something is happening when there is no concrete proof?
It is the God arguement again....believe or do not believe....but to me it is all talk with no hard facts....
Sexpert
Quote by Max777
Anyone here can PROVE 100% it is happening?...thought not.
Can you prove 100% it is not happening?.....thought not.
I will wait and see as I am undecided.
Dave_Notts
Dave - simply - pretty much - yes
The existing "proof" of it occurring has been exposed as a tissue of lies, deceit, dissembling and fabrication, by the revelations from the CRU emails, data sets and program codes being made publicly available - this story has yet to fully break.
The simple facts are, that the earth has been warming at a steady rate for the last 11,000 years following the end of the last ice age, as we've entered a cycle of natural global warming. The rate of warming has absolutely not been affected to any discernible degree by humankind and industrialisation.
The greenhouse theory is shot to pieces, as data show that temperature leads CO2, not the other way round, man made CO2 release has had no discernible effect on the general trend in global temperature increase - which as I've said - continues at the same rate, with substantial fluctuations, that it has for the last 11,000 years.
In fact, we are undergoing one of these fluctuations right now. For the last 10 years, global temperatures have fallen. For the ecomentalists, this was the last straw, in desperation to make the data fit their model, they just made it up and threw away the real figures.
This is what the scandal is about.
All this is verifiable - I've already posted way too much on this and now having to repeat myself.
If, as you say, all this is verifiable, why hasn't it been verified and the whole global warming issue been debunked as a myth?
Because for years the ecomentalists have been preventing anyone not 100% committed to their view, from having access to their data and program code used to massage the data. It's only since the leak recently that any truly independent analysis has been possible. the whole man made global warming theory has now been fully de-bunked, but the media and governments can't stomach admitting it yet.
They will shortly be moving their position as they realise that this won't go away. The BBC has already started softening its position, politicians will start soon too I'll wager - we're talking about something that's only a couple of weeks old, so it will take a bit of time.
Quote by GnV
Well, we seem to be getting somewhere now..
The US has now declared that greenhouse gases are harmful to humans
Maybe the Administration didn't major in chemistry or physics but hasn't volumes of CO2 always been deadly?
they will be telling us Dihydrogen Monoxide is deadly to life next :evil2:
Sex God
Quote by Witchy
Just had to google Apocrypha comes from the Greek word ἀπόκÏυφα, which means those having been hidden away..... Still no idea
*buts in* apocryphal- Spurious or of doubtful authenticity.
*buts out*Ah... thank you, now I can rest easy :sleeping:
Quote by easyrider_xxx
Anyone here can PROVE 100% it is happening?...thought not.
Can you prove 100% it is not happening?.....thought not.
I will wait and see as I am undecided.
Dave_Notts
Dave - simply - pretty much - yes
The existing "proof" of it occurring has been exposed as a tissue of lies, deceit, dissembling and fabrication, by the revelations from the CRU emails, data sets and program codes being made publicly available - this story has yet to fully break.
The simple facts are, that the earth has been warming at a steady rate for the last 11,000 years following the end of the last ice age, as we've entered a cycle of natural global warming. The rate of warming has absolutely not been affected to any discernible degree by humankind and industrialisation.
The greenhouse theory is shot to pieces, as data show that temperature leads CO2, not the other way round, man made CO2 release has had no discernible effect on the general trend in global temperature increase - which as I've said - continues at the same rate, with substantial fluctuations, that it has for the last 11,000 years.
In fact, we are undergoing one of these fluctuations right now. For the last 10 years, global temperatures have fallen. For the ecomentalists, this was the last straw, in desperation to make the data fit their model, they just made it up and threw away the real figures.
This is what the scandal is about.
All this is verifiable - I've already posted way too much on this and now having to repeat myself.
If, as you say, all this is verifiable, why hasn't it been verified and the whole global warming issue been debunked as a myth?
Because for years the ecomentalists have been preventing anyone not 100% committed to their view, from having access to their data and program code used to massage the data. It's only since the leak recently that any truly independent analysis has been possible. the whole man made global warming theory has now been fully de-bunked, but the media and governments can't stomach admitting it yet.
They will shortly be moving their position as they realise that this won't go away. The BBC has already started softening its position, politicians will start soon too I'll wager - we're talking about something that's only a couple of weeks old, so it will take a bit of time.
Time will tell.........I'm not convinced it's as cut and dried as you claim it is.
Quote by Max777
Gulson.....well said my man.
You joining the conspiricy theorists then Kent? conspiracy ? conspiracist ? theory ?
as the world financial crisis developes and it becomes more apparent to you max with its effects, you will need to theorise and examine more deeply why this or that phenomina occurs in order to plan your survival strategy. i dont call people who have been misled over global warming or climate change and who believe the conspiracy that has been railled at them from every medium, conspiracy theorist's.
the fact that kenty has picked up on something that may or may not be convienient to his world veiw and concur with me does not make him or i conspiracy theorists.
independently of me and kenty's consciousness, billions of people around the globe are begining to question their reality. they are beginning to question what they are told and that process is inexorable. kenty and i fundamentally disagree on many issues. how else could or should it be ?
the deterioation of our material condition and our social being will drive us together, mostly shouting and screaming along the way but, eventually, our interests will become common.
conspiracy theorist's ? weapons of mass deception/destruction ? hit cyprus within 30 mins ? dr. david kelly took an overdose then cut his wrists, died, then moved his body, e-mails that prove manipulation and lies, data now destroyed, in afghanistan to protect democracy or catch osama bin liner ? 4 lads got on a ghost train in luton at that was cancelled to blow up london tubes and bus on the very day an exercise was taking place in exactly the same locations ? charles demenzies murder was a mistake ? i have no complete theories about the above, but by questioning and analising the information and explanations we are given by the establishment/media everyday, i become more and more sceptical everyday and that, i think, is healthy.
Gulsonroad, if you bother to read some of my posts, you will see I'm a global warming sceptic but unlike you I don't believe that every bloody thing is plotted by Zionist bankers with ulterior motives and politicians in their pockets. I object to the term "sheeple" that you use to describe anyone that is not as paranoid as you and to be bloody frank, I'm getting sick to death of seeing the same post being posted time and time again.
Oh and thank you for pointing out my typo error in the spelling of conspiracy.......just wish you'd learn to spell DEBT!!!! recheck my posts....have never used the term "zionist" but always get dept and debt wrong. and, as i dont believe that asylum seekers and imigrants are the cause of all the ills in society i wont complain about those who think "that every bloody thing" is caused by them and i will never get "sick to death" or "as paranoid as you" who may think so with "the same post being posted time and again" x
Quote by gulsonroad30664
Gulson.....well said my man.
You joining the conspiricy theorists then Kent? conspiracy ? conspiracist ? theory ?
as the world financial crisis developes and it becomes more apparent to you max with its effects, you will need to theorise and examine more deeply why this or that phenomina occurs in order to plan your survival strategy. i dont call people who have been misled over global warming or climate change and who believe the conspiracy that has been railled at them from every medium, conspiracy theorist's.
the fact that kenty has picked up on something that may or may not be convienient to his world veiw and concur with me does not make him or i conspiracy theorists.
independently of me and kenty's consciousness, billions of people around the globe are begining to question their reality. they are beginning to question what they are told and that process is inexorable. kenty and i fundamentally disagree on many issues. how else could or should it be ?
the deterioation of our material condition and our social being will drive us together, mostly shouting and screaming along the way but, eventually, our interests will become common.
conspiracy theorist's ? weapons of mass deception/destruction ? hit cyprus within 30 mins ? dr. david kelly took an overdose then cut his wrists, died, then moved his body, e-mails that prove manipulation and lies, data now destroyed, in afghanistan to protect democracy or catch osama bin liner ? 4 lads got on a ghost train in luton at that was cancelled to blow up london tubes and bus on the very day an exercise was taking place in exactly the same locations ? charles demenzies murder was a mistake ? i have no complete theories about the above, but by questioning and analising the information and explanations we are given by the establishment/media everyday, i become more and more sceptical everyday and that, i think, is healthy.
Gulsonroad, if you bother to read some of my posts, you will see I'm a global warming sceptic but unlike you I don't believe that every bloody thing is plotted by Zionist bankers with ulterior motives and politicians in their pockets. I object to the term "sheeple" that you use to describe anyone that is not as paranoid as you and to be bloody frank, I'm getting sick to death of seeing the same post being posted time and time again.
Oh and thank you for pointing out my typo error in the spelling of conspiracy.......just wish you'd learn to spell DEBT!!!! recheck my posts....have never used the term "zionist" but always get dept and debt wrong. and, as i dont believe that asylum seekers and imigrants are the cause of all the ills in society i wont complain about those who think "that every bloody thing" is caused by them and i will never get "sick to death" or "as paranoid as you" who may think so with "the same post being posted time and again" x
I think you have mistaken me for Kenty...............
Quote by Max777
Gulson.....well said my man.
You joining the conspiricy theorists then Kent? conspiracy ? conspiracist ? theory ?
as the world financial crisis developes and it becomes more apparent to you max with its effects, you will need to theorise and examine more deeply why this or that phenomina occurs in order to plan your survival strategy. i dont call people who have been misled over global warming or climate change and who believe the conspiracy that has been railled at them from every medium, conspiracy theorist's.
the fact that kenty has picked up on something that may or may not be convienient to his world veiw and concur with me does not make him or i conspiracy theorists.
independently of me and kenty's consciousness, billions of people around the globe are begining to question their reality. they are beginning to question what they are told and that process is inexorable. kenty and i fundamentally disagree on many issues. how else could or should it be ?
the deterioation of our material condition and our social being will drive us together, mostly shouting and screaming along the way but, eventually, our interests will become common.
conspiracy theorist's ? weapons of mass deception/destruction ? hit cyprus within 30 mins ? dr. david kelly took an overdose then cut his wrists, died, then moved his body, e-mails that prove manipulation and lies, data now destroyed, in afghanistan to protect democracy or catch osama bin liner ? 4 lads got on a ghost train in luton at that was cancelled to blow up london tubes and bus on the very day an exercise was taking place in exactly the same locations ? charles demenzies murder was a mistake ? i have no complete theories about the above, but by questioning and analising the information and explanations we are given by the establishment/media everyday, i become more and more sceptical everyday and that, i think, is healthy.
Gulsonroad, if you bother to read some of my posts, you will see I'm a global warming sceptic but unlike you I don't believe that every bloody thing is plotted by Zionist bankers with ulterior motives and politicians in their pockets. I object to the term "sheeple" that you use to describe anyone that is not as paranoid as you and to be bloody frank, I'm getting sick to death of seeing the same post being posted time and time again.
Oh and thank you for pointing out my typo error in the spelling of conspiracy.......just wish you'd learn to spell DEBT!!!! recheck my posts....have never used the term "zionist" but always get dept and debt wrong. and, as i dont believe that asylum seekers and imigrants are the cause of all the ills in society i wont complain about those who think "that every bloody thing" is caused by them and i will never get "sick to death" or "as paranoid as you" who may think so with "the same post being posted time and again" x
I think you have mistaken me for Kenty...............
no mistake, it was deliberate. all i am saying is that whatever someone posts, repetitious or not, you or kenty or for that matter anyone else, that if i think differently, i will say so and why. hopefully, if i think differently, i will challenge the specifics of the content with counter augument. not resort to charges of "conspiracy theory" (a modern term of phrase used to negate the content) or cite spelin mistakes or accuse people of being paranoid and to be bloody frank, i'm sorry that your getting sick to death of seeing the same post being posted time and time again but i did'nt put up the original post on this topic. surely it is healthy to have a contradictory veiw to the mainstream even if it is conspiracy theory repetitious paranoia ? Quote by gulsonroad30664
Gulson.....well said my man.
You joining the conspiricy theorists then Kent? conspiracy ? conspiracist ? theory ?
as the world financial crisis developes and it becomes more apparent to you max with its effects, you will need to theorise and examine more deeply why this or that phenomina occurs in order to plan your survival strategy. i dont call people who have been misled over global warming or climate change and who believe the conspiracy that has been railled at them from every medium, conspiracy theorist's.
the fact that kenty has picked up on something that may or may not be convienient to his world veiw and concur with me does not make him or i conspiracy theorists.
independently of me and kenty's consciousness, billions of people around the globe are begining to question their reality. they are beginning to question what they are told and that process is inexorable. kenty and i fundamentally disagree on many issues. how else could or should it be ?
the deterioation of our material condition and our social being will drive us together, mostly shouting and screaming along the way but, eventually, our interests will become common.
conspiracy theorist's ? weapons of mass deception/destruction ? hit cyprus within 30 mins ? dr. david kelly took an overdose then cut his wrists, died, then moved his body, e-mails that prove manipulation and lies, data now destroyed, in afghanistan to protect democracy or catch osama bin liner ? 4 lads got on a ghost train in luton at that was cancelled to blow up london tubes and bus on the very day an exercise was taking place in exactly the same locations ? charles demenzies murder was a mistake ? i have no complete theories about the above, but by questioning and analising the information and explanations we are given by the establishment/media everyday, i become more and more sceptical everyday and that, i think, is healthy.
Gulsonroad, if you bother to read some of my posts, you will see I'm a global warming sceptic but unlike you I don't believe that every bloody thing is plotted by Zionist bankers with ulterior motives and politicians in their pockets. I object to the term "sheeple" that you use to describe anyone that is not as paranoid as you and to be bloody frank, I'm getting sick to death of seeing the same post being posted time and time again.
Oh and thank you for pointing out my typo error in the spelling of conspiracy.......just wish you'd learn to spell DEBT!!!! recheck my posts....have never used the term "zionist" but always get dept and debt wrong. and, as i dont believe that asylum seekers and imigrants are the cause of all the ills in society i wont complain about those who think "that every bloody thing" is caused by them and i will never get "sick to death" or "as paranoid as you" who may think so with "the same post being posted time and again" x
I think you have mistaken me for Kenty...............
no mistake, it was deliberate. all i am saying is that whatever someone posts, repetitious or not, you or kenty or for that matter anyone else, that if i think differently, i will say so and why. hopefully, if i think differently, i will challenge the specifics of the content with counter augument. not resort to charges of "conspiracy theory" (a modern term of phrase used to negate the content) or cite spelin mistakes or accuse people of being paranoid and to be bloody frank, i'm sorry that your getting sick to death of seeing the same post being posted time and time again but i did'nt put up the original post on this topic. surely it is healthy to have a contradictory veiw to the mainstream even if it is conspiracy theory repetitious paranoia ?My previous response was light hearted but seeing as how you obviously didn't take it that way, I'll respond in similar fashion to you. You don't actually challenge any specifics in your posts, what you do is regurgitate the same old thing time after time, trotting out a series of what I can only describe as conspiracies ( you may call them anti mainstream views) and tell us "sheeple" to open our minds. It's one thing to be open minded, quite another to believe that every major war, terrorist attack, recession, depression et al is the fault of bankers of a certain religion ( you're quite right, you didn't say Zionist, what you did say is that you would be considered anti semetic if you named names) in their ruthless persuit of profit. We got your message the first time, it's worn bloody thin now.......change the record FFS.
The trouble is Gulson is time and again you just copy and paste the same bloody ramble!
It is all the same.
You have already mentioned immigrants in this thread and it is about climate change ffs.
IF you stopped copying and pasting the same tired old stuff, people may well take you a bit more seriously.
Try a new approach eh?
It is all the same.
You have already mentioned immigrants in this thread and it is about climate change ffs.
IF you stopped copying and pasting the same tired old stuff, people may well take you a bit more seriously.
Try a new approach eh?
Sex God
Well things sure have heated up in here.......carbon????? 
Sexpert
Quote by JTS
yep, that's the sort of stuff I've been finding in dribs and drabs, - good summary
Sexpert
Quote by Ben_welshminx
Interesting post JTS.
I really dont like this homogenisation of data since it bring sin all sorts of subjective variables. Given a statistically significant sample there should be no need for such tampering since any changes ought surely to cancel one another out.
Ben, what you say is correct, and indeed that would be the ideal.
However, in reality, recording stations get moved, e.g. airport re-development, or get enveloped by urbanisation, and thus their immediate environment changes and this can lead in a dis-continuity in the readings - often manifest by a noticeable departure from what one would expect to see when compared to any trends in surrounding recording stations who's immediate environment has not changed.
Thus, a degree of data homogenisation is desirable and valid if one is to ensure the validity of the data set.
The issue here is that the ecomentalist Team at the CRU have arbitrarily applied their own "corrections" to data they do not like, in a clumsy and most obvious way when one compares the data set they used to the raw data, so as to deliberately skew the data set in favour of their views, when the data clearly do not support their arguments.
