Legitimate protest or incitement?
I am struggling to find this acceptable, but suppose as long as it remains peaceful....
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yes....I think it was an incitment to comitt racial hatred...and they should have all been arrested on the spot.
However lets remember this was 35 people !! Not exactly a mass demonstration here.... more people could be found at the local pub round the corner !! Yet these people have made front page news...TV news...talked about all over social networking sites ..and even make it on a swinging site !!! For them mission accomplished. We have given them the publicity they sought. The best way to deal with this is not to report it. It is a mere handful of disrectful people intent of stirring up trouble. We should treat in with the contept it deserves....and leave them to slowly fade away. Publicity just fans their fire.
However lets remember this was 35 people !! Not exactly a mass demonstration here.... more people could be found at the local pub round the corner !! Yet these people have made front page news...TV news...talked about all over social networking sites ..and even make it on a swinging site !!! For them mission accomplished. We have given them the publicity they sought. The best way to deal with this is not to report it. It is a mere handful of disrectful people intent of stirring up trouble. We should treat in with the contept it deserves....and leave them to slowly fade away. Publicity just fans their fire.
Sex God
Quote by browning
Some people protest in this way, some by not buying/wearing poppies.
It's a choice issue and thankfully in the UK, there is the right of freedom of expression and peaceful demonstration.
Depends who you are, and what your protesting about.
I think its great that the leaders of the Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Buddhist and Christian all placed wreaths, it shows the unanimity of feeling and common understanding that is spread throughout most of our British community :thumbup:
Our little town had a marvelous town center parade(My kids all dressed in their combat 95's looking proud as punch)I guess about 300 all told from all the services Past and present, it was quite moving.
However, at the service part just prior to the march past a gentleman dressed in suit and tie, all very smart and respectable like, got up to the Minster at the microphone and asked if he might have a few words. The vicar was surprised but willing let the guy speak. What happened next was this guy let out a tirade of words saying how disgusting it and we all were for being there and that it was a disgrace to humanity. The microphone was turned off and he was ushered away. The guy was a prominent member of a local C of E church.
As a proportion of the people there, He was possibly a greater percentage of the people present here than the 35 protesting in Hyde park.
Quote by essex34m
And if 35 English burned a Koran, but as long as it was peaceful....?
It is a poppy and not a bible
Dave_Notts
The actual item is secondary to the intention to provoke feeling, IMO.
But a Poppy is not a religious artifact. If it was a bible then it could (big could as I am not a lawyer) be construed as inciting religious hatred, and that is against the law.
Inciting a feeling though is not on the statute books
Dave_Notts
Sex God
Quote by Dave__Notts
And if 35 English burned a Koran, but as long as it was peaceful....?
It is a poppy and not a bible
Dave_Notts
The actual item is secondary to the intention to provoke feeling, IMO.
But a Poppy is not a religious artifact. If it was a bible then it could (big could as I am not a lawyer) be construed as inciting religious hatred, and that is against the law.
Inciting a feeling though is not on the statute books
Dave_Notts
Is it only religious hatred that must not be incited then?
Quote by Dave__Notts
And if 35 English burned a Koran, but as long as it was peaceful....?
It is a poppy and not a bible
Dave_Notts
The actual item is secondary to the intention to provoke feeling, IMO.
But a Poppy is not a religious artifact. If it was a bible then it could (big could as I am not a lawyer) be construed as inciting religious hatred, and that is against the law.
Inciting a feeling though is not on the statute books
Dave_Notts
I completely understand what you are saying.
But how would the people who burned the poppies offend people who are not religious? By going for something that as a symbol, can stir feelings that would guarantee media coverage.
OK, I mentioned the Koran, but any mindless person out to offend muslims would know that would be the easy target, the people who burned the poppies knew that burning poppies on 11th November would offend people in great numbers.
Quote by essex34m
I completely understand what you are saying.
But how would the people who burned the poppies offend people who are not religious? By going for something that as a symbol, can stir feelings that would guarantee media coverage.
OK, I mentioned the Koran, but any mindless person out to offend muslims would know that would be the easy target, the people who burned the poppies knew that burning poppies on 11th November would offend people in great numbers.
Totally agree with you. The people have been offended......thats it, offended. Would you want people to be jailed or crimilised for offending someone?
If that became the case then either I would be in jail.........or I would have to stop speaking to the mother-in-law.
Dave_Notts
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Quote by Dave__Notts
I completely understand what you are saying.
But how would the people who burned the poppies offend people who are not religious? By going for something that as a symbol, can stir feelings that would guarantee media coverage.
OK, I mentioned the Koran, but any mindless person out to offend muslims would know that would be the easy target, the people who burned the poppies knew that burning poppies on 11th November would offend people in great numbers.
Totally agree with you. The people have been offended......thats it, offended. Would you want people to be jailed or crimilised for offending someone?
If that became the case then either I would be in jail.........or I would have to stop speaking to the mother-in-law.
Dave_Notts
But surely the burning of a religious item is only offensive. When does offensive turn to incitement?
Quote by Dave__Notts
I completely understand what you are saying.
But how would the people who burned the poppies offend people who are not religious? By going for something that as a symbol, can stir feelings that would guarantee media coverage.
OK, I mentioned the Koran, but any mindless person out to offend muslims would know that would be the easy target, the people who burned the poppies knew that burning poppies on 11th November would offend people in great numbers.
Totally agree with you. The people have been offended......thats it, offended. Would you want people to be jailed or crimilised for offending someone?
If that became the case then either I would be in jail.........or I would have to stop speaking to the mother-in-law.
Dave_Notts
I have said in another thread that I wear the poppy because people who served or died gave me the freedom to do so.
Those same people gave to allow the burning of the poppies to happen. As much as I find that abhorrent, as you say, it is not a criminal offence, but it is a very clear case of incitement.
Quote by Bluefish2009
But surely the burning of a religious item is only offensive. When does offensive turn to incitement?
Depends on the reason why the person is burning the item.
To heat themselves up as they were freezing on a mountain and there was no other fuel.......then I would say it was not incitement for religious hatred. It would still be offensive to that religion though.
To burn it because you wanted to show that religion you can........then that would be incitement for religious hatred.
Dave_Notts
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why should religions or religious people have a right not to be offended,when the rest of us,including businesses,corporations,polititions
