thing we have to remember is this did start with dissaffected youths.....unfortunatly this was overtaken by pure greed and criminality. people saw a chance to get something for nothing and the greed factor kicked in.
Starlight you will find so many of those convicted will not be from the backgrounds you suggested.......but from strong, moral, white, middle class families. we have already seen a primary school teacher, ex-soldier and university graduate in court etc.... this was just the me me me society...where people are greedy and want more and more !! Maybe we need to address this need for greed as much as we do any moral parental issues.
In reality the causes of this are many and varied....and most definatly changed as the days passed. Once the dust has settled, do not think it would do any harm to try and investigate them !!!
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thing we have to remember is this did start with dissaffected youths.....unfortunatly this was overtaken by pure greed and criminality. people saw a chance to get something for nothing and the greed factor kicked in.
Starlight you will find so many of those convicted will not be from the backgrounds you suggested.......but from strong, moral, white, middle class families. we have already seen a primary school teacher, ex-soldier and university graduate in court etc.... this was just the me me me society...where people are greedy and want more and more !! Maybe we need to address this need for greed as much as we do any moral parental issues.
In reality the causes of this are many and varied....and most definatly changed as the days passed. Once the dust has settled, do not think it would do any harm to try and investigate them !!!
to be inc in that list will also be a 23 year old whom in her own right is a million heiress
from orpington kent
the wonders of money and gagging orders aye
Quote by deancannock
thing we have to remember is this did start with dissaffected youths.....unfortunatly this was overtaken by pure greed and criminality. people saw a chance to get something for nothing and the greed factor kicked in.
Starlight you will find so many of those convicted will not be from the backgrounds you suggested.......but from strong, moral, white, middle class families. we have already seen a primary school teacher, ex-soldier and university graduate in court etc.... this was just the me me me society...where people are greedy and want more and more !! Maybe we need to address this need for greed as much as we do any moral parental issues.
In reality the causes of this are many and varied....and most definatly changed as the days passed. Once the dust has settled, do not think it would do any harm to try and investigate them !!!
it began with the shooting of an unarmed young man who the relatives and friends of did not believe the police explanation which has since been proven to be a pack of lies.
thereafter the least educated, excluded, disenfranchised took advantage. a bit like the phuckers who stole billions upon billions really except politicians (in there pockets) would rather we did'nt bash. yes, bring in tougher laws. arrest all them looting phuckers but lets have some equity and arrest the mega looters as well.
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it began with the shooting of an unarmed young man who the relatives and friends of did not believe the police explanation which has since been proven to be a pack of lies.
Evidence please. The IPCC has not yet reported AFAIK.
Quote by gulsonroad30664
thereafter the least educated, excluded, disenfranchised took advantage. a bit like the phuckers who stole billions upon billions really except politicians (in there pockets) would rather we did'nt bash. yes, bring in tougher laws. arrest all them looting phuckers but lets have some equity and arrest the mega looters as well.
Load of bollox yet again.
You really don't learn, do you gulson. Troll Troll Troll.
to be fair to Gulson on the Police.....they have already come out and apologised for what they call misleading information !! I think it is fair to say the police at first thought he had shoot at them...in the end it seems the police bullet passed straight through his body and lodged in another police handset !!
Thing is though Gulson...it is not just the disaffected youths. I even heard David Cameron today blaming it on children without fathers !!! What a load of tosh ! This was pure greed. People saw a chance to get something for nothing and took it. A great many now caught, were of no previous conviction, and from good backgrounds. What we have to look at, is why this greed exists. And where Gulson is correct it starts at the top. We see the MP's fiddling the expenses...Greed. We see high wage earners doing everything to try and avoid tax, so they can add more money to their hoard...Greed. And yes we see looters in the street taking things from a shop retail frontage..Greed. If we can stop this continual obssesion with being better, having new and shineyer things than others, and Greed. maybe if we could just stop and think about those a little less fortunate than ourselves every now and again...maybe..just maybe this world would be a better place to live.
Thing is though Gulson...it is not just the disaffected youths. I even heard David Cameron today blaming it on children without fathers !!! What a load of tosh ! This was pure greed. People saw a chance to get something for nothing and took it. A great many now caught, were of no previous conviction, and from good backgrounds. What we have to look at, is why this greed exists. And where Gulson is correct it starts at the top. We see the MP's fiddling the expenses...Greed. We see high wage earners doing everything to try and avoid tax, so they can add more money to their hoard...Greed. And yes we see looters in the street taking things from a shop retail frontage..Greed. If we can stop this continual obssesion with being better, having new and shineyer things than others, and Greed. maybe if we could just stop and think about those a little less fortunate than ourselves every now and again...maybe..just maybe this world would be a better place to live.
Sex God
Quote by flower411
I don`t think anybody made a conscious connection between the bankers theiving, the politicians theiving or even the reporters manipulating and rampaging through the sreets setting fires and looting.
But it must have an effect on people when they see those at the top, the bankers, not only getting away scot free with their theiving but actually being rewarded for it while the rest of us are expected to pay to pick up the peices.
Let`s face it, there`s a certain honesty in coming out on to the streets and smashing things up rather than sitting in front of a computer to rip off the rest of society.
funny thing the law
whilst one group plunder within the law another im afraid become common criminals when repeated outside the law
go figure
just goes to show which are the brighter
Quote by gulsonroad30664
it began with the shooting of an unarmed young man who the relatives and friends of did not believe the police explanation which has since been proven to be a pack of lies.
thereafter the least educated, excluded, disenfranchised took advantage. a bit like the phuckers who stole billions upon billions really except politicians (in there pockets) would rather we did'nt bash. yes, bring in tougher laws. arrest all them looting phuckers but lets have some equity and arrest the mega looters as well.
Some of those involved may have been the least educated, excluded and disenfranchised, although now it is apparent that many weren't.
Sex God
The common thing shared by all the various groups identified in Gulson's post is grasping materialism. What is common to the lowest of the rioters on the streets, and the politicians who fiddled their expenses, and nations who go to war for resources is a willingness to take advantage of, if not wilfully engineer a set of circumstances that allows them to line their pockets with not so much as a second thought for the damage it does to others. The rioters may not even be able to fully articulate their motives, but there can surely be no denying that whatever their class, or background, or education, their minds were shaped by the materialistic, acquisitive greed that runs through every level of the world they live in. That's what makes their actions political, whether they know it or not.
The politicians are now going to try and kid us that they have analysed the situation, and are going to put in place measures to remedy things and prevent this happening again. Bullshit. Absolute shite! The reason I say that is because I already know, without a shadow of a doubt, that their analysis will begin and end with the living conditions of the very lowest of the low. They will not seek to go beyond that to the real cause, because to do so would mean challenging the very world view that maintains their grip on power. They will never do that, so until we change that worldview for ourselves, unfortunately nothing else will change.
N x x x ;)
The politicians are now going to try and kid us that they have analysed the situation, and are going to put in place measures to remedy things and prevent this happening again. Bullshit. Absolute shite! The reason I say that is because I already know, without a shadow of a doubt, that their analysis will begin and end with the living conditions of the very lowest of the low. They will not seek to go beyond that to the real cause, because to do so would mean challenging the very world view that maintains their grip on power. They will never do that, so until we change that worldview for ourselves, unfortunately nothing else will change.
N x x x ;)
Sex God
Quote by neilinleeds
The common thing shared by all the various groups identified in Gulson's post is grasping materialism. What is common to the lowest of the rioters on the streets, and the politicians who fiddled their expenses, and nations who go to war for resources is a willingness to take advantage of, if not wilfully engineer a set of circumstances that allows them to line their pockets with not so much as a second thought for the damage it does to others. The rioters may not even be able to fully articulate their motives, but there can surely be no denying that whatever their class, or background, or education, their minds were shaped by the materialistic, acquisitive greed that runs through every level of the world they live in. That's what makes their actions political, whether they know it or not.
The politicians are now going to try and kid us that they have analysed the situation, and are going to put in place measures to remedy things and prevent this happening again. Bullshit. Absolute shite! The reason I say that is because I already know, without a shadow of a doubt, that their analysis will begin and end with the living conditions of the very lowest of the low. They will not seek to go beyond that to the real cause, because to do so would mean challenging the very world view that maintains their grip on power. They will never do that, so until we change that worldview for ourselves, unfortunately nothing else will change.
N x x x ;)
:thumbup: Spot on.
did you just know that these goody two shoes brigade would surface from under that stone over there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
sky news amongst others have reported that you guessed it, the human rights twats are alive and well and there to rubbish the harsh sentences of some of the rioters.
now the group in question that is saying the sentences are " But there seems to be a complete lack of proportionality to some of the sentences ". that is a fair enough statement as most peeple would say it is about time that proper sentences for horrible crimes are punished properly insted of to light a sentence.
this group that make the claim, well no wonder we find ourselves in a situation of melt down with the EXCUSE BRIGADE .
" We give children and young people in custody advice about how to improve their treatment and conditions and makes sure they are released from prison safely with the support they are entitled to ".
does that just about sum it all up.
i am sure some of those goody to shoes mob on this site will no doubt say these peeple do great service to young peeple that have robbed others. where are the services to help the victims in all this? to many human rights goody to shoes peeple there to not bother about the victims but there to protect and help the criminals.
want to know why the young criminals are the way they are? then look at peeple like this.
this part of the site in light of the riots made me snigger. community indeed.
the motto at the top of there page says
LESS CRIME,SAFER COMMUNITIES,FEWER PEOPLE IN PRISON.
well there work done a lot of good then eh? :twisted:
sky news amongst others have reported that you guessed it, the human rights twats are alive and well and there to rubbish the harsh sentences of some of the rioters.
now the group in question that is saying the sentences are " But there seems to be a complete lack of proportionality to some of the sentences ". that is a fair enough statement as most peeple would say it is about time that proper sentences for horrible crimes are punished properly insted of to light a sentence.
this group that make the claim, well no wonder we find ourselves in a situation of melt down with the EXCUSE BRIGADE .
" We give children and young people in custody advice about how to improve their treatment and conditions and makes sure they are released from prison safely with the support they are entitled to ".
does that just about sum it all up.
i am sure some of those goody to shoes mob on this site will no doubt say these peeple do great service to young peeple that have robbed others. where are the services to help the victims in all this? to many human rights goody to shoes peeple there to not bother about the victims but there to protect and help the criminals.
want to know why the young criminals are the way they are? then look at peeple like this.
this part of the site in light of the riots made me snigger. community indeed.
the motto at the top of there page says
LESS CRIME,SAFER COMMUNITIES,FEWER PEOPLE IN PRISON.
well there work done a lot of good then eh? :twisted:
I have no problem with heavy penalties, for crimes. However what I do want to see is consistancy. There are some getting 4 years for posting on facebook, but actually not doing anything. Others were caught with stolen goods and seen on CCTV smashing up property and yet get a fine and a community order.
here is typical of what I hate..... the two lads got 3 years in prison for incitement to riot. It was just something they wrote on facebook. In reality it was more a fantasy and they never actually left the house. Below is a link to a pensioner who actually stole and looted his supermarket...but because he is old...he gets off with a caution....where is the justice in that ???
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here is typical of what I hate..... the two lads got 3 years in prison for incitement to riot. It was just something they wrote on facebook. In reality it was more a fantasy and they never actually left the house. Below is a link to a pensioner who actually stole and looted his supermarket...but because he is old...he gets off with a caution....where is the justice in that ???
i agree dean the whole system is full of inconsistences.
the problems lie with judges or in particular magistrates. mr labour supporting magistrate lets peeple off with dealing drugs and burgling old peeples homes, and mr righty reading mail reeder wants to jail a little old lady who has parked on a double yellow line.
dredful dean bloody dredful.
not sure if the placement of a smiley at the end means you are joking here. Firstly in this case of the pensioner, it is not the magistrate or the judge, but the Police that have decided not to pass it on, and let him off with a caution !!
Secondly you say all magistrates are labour voters ???? If you really think that, you really are on a different planet to others. Equally if you think all mail readers are extreme right wingers you are equally deluded.
I say again....the in-balance with lengh and type of sentance given out, in these cases of the riots and looting, will simply lead to appeals, ( costing us the taxpayer more money ) and will simply mean the sentance given out is likely to be reduced.
Secondly you say all magistrates are labour voters ???? If you really think that, you really are on a different planet to others. Equally if you think all mail readers are extreme right wingers you are equally deluded.
I say again....the in-balance with lengh and type of sentance given out, in these cases of the riots and looting, will simply lead to appeals, ( costing us the taxpayer more money ) and will simply mean the sentance given out is likely to be reduced.
Warming the Bed
Think we are all missing the point of the long sentences.
Been so used to the courts handing out poor sentences, that now someone has realised that we need long jail terms not short that the long terms being handed down seem out of kilter.
It is known that the longer the sentence the less likely the offender is to re-offend.
And while they are locked they cant commit any crimes.
Been so used to the courts handing out poor sentences, that now someone has realised that we need long jail terms not short that the long terms being handed down seem out of kilter.
It is known that the longer the sentence the less likely the offender is to re-offend.
And while they are locked they cant commit any crimes.
Sex God
Quote by croydoncouple38
Think we are all missing the point of the long sentences.
Been so used to the courts handing out poor sentences, that now someone has realised that we need long jail terms not short that the long terms being handed down seem out of kilter.
It is known that the longer the sentence the less likely the offender is to re-offend.
And while they are locked they cant commit any crimes.
Is it ?? who says ?? what's their evidence ??
Quote by deancannock
Secondly you say all magistrates are labour voters ???? If you really think that, you really are on a different planet to others. Equally if you think all mail readers are extreme right wingers you are equally deluded.
thanks deano for your wisdom.
next time i post i will run it past you first, just to make sure it meets with your approval.
oh and btw, three yeers for incitement to riot is i beleeve very lenient. under the circumstances of what went on on the streets they should have got five yeers at least.
they must have been dealt with by a labour supporting magistrate deano :twisted:
on no it was not as a magistrate can only jail some body for six months i beleeve. so it would have been a judge. ah three years, he must have been a daily mail reeder then.
also deano it could have been much worse as the maximum penalty on conviction is ten years' imprisonment and/or a fine of unlimited amount . three yeers they got off very lightly then. maybe it was a labour supporting judge? :lol:
i will pm you next time i post. :wink:
Sex God
Quote by GnV
We have all know we need to cut and tighten our belts.....but I do fear when the cuts are to quick and to deep. People are going to be thrown onto the unemployment scrap heap, at a time very their chances of finding alternative employment is low !! Its a dangerous cocktail of situations that leads to a large amount of people desperate and without hope. I will not be surprised if come next summer, we have full scale riots on our streets !! "
above is what I wrote in september of 2010
So desperate and without hope that they raid a sport shop (JD's I think) and steal quantities of designer sports gear and trainers...
And TV's from Dixons (or wherever).
Yeah, right.
I see where you are coming from dean, but this is hardly the 1930's with all that entailed leading towards the Jarrow March where people were genuinely desperate and unable to feed their families.
I think I said elsewhere that no Benefits Offices seemed to have been targeted!
This is how people without hope look
Sex God
Quote by Bluefish2009
We have all know we need to cut and tighten our belts.....but I do fear when the cuts are to quick and to deep. People are going to be thrown onto the unemployment scrap heap, at a time very their chances of finding alternative employment is low !! Its a dangerous cocktail of situations that leads to a large amount of people desperate and without hope. I will not be surprised if come next summer, we have full scale riots on our streets !! "
above is what I wrote in september of 2010
So desperate and without hope that they raid a sport shop (JD's I think) and steal quantities of designer sports gear and trainers...
And TV's from Dixons (or wherever).
Yeah, right.
I see where you are coming from dean, but this is hardly the 1930's with all that entailed leading towards the Jarrow March where people were genuinely desperate and unable to feed their families.
I think I said elsewhere that no Benefits Offices seemed to have been targeted!
This is how people without hope look
wellcome back blue good to see you both back
Sex God
Quote by Lizaleanrob
wellcome back blue good to see you both back
Seconded
Sex God
Thank you guys, nice to be back
Sex God
Rioters who rampaged through London and other cities this summer had, on average, 15 previous offences to their name, it emerged today.
From here;
Interesting to see that most of the offenders have previous!
From here;
Interesting to see that most of the offenders have previous!
Sex God
So the ciminals wish to do some more looting it seams
Quote by Bluefish2009
So the ciminals wish to do some more looting it seams
seams there is always an excuse bluefish eh?
once again the guardian seam to blame police or poverty for the actions of the rioters, where most peeple know it was violence and looting to see what they could get out of it by way of goods for free.
peeple have always disliked the police but that did not mean peeple went on a riot and looted every shop.
excuses excuses from a newspaper that it wonders why its reedership is so low need look no further than almost giving the rioters excuses for there actions.
Sex God
Quote by Ben_Minx
I do wish you would improve your ability to read and digest information before you post.
Do we have to achieve a level of ability to post here then?
