london riots

6 Dec 2011

Quote by Ben_Minx
I dont know if this helps.

Stevens said it "rang alarm bells" that stop and search was an issue, and police must be better at explaining to communities what they are doing and be better at listening to their concerns.

well it does ben if you subscribe that this report and its findings is right dunno

if not then a quick search on google will present an opposing point of view from a different report :doh:

6 Dec 2011

I dunno, I though the accusation was that the loony lefties were spreading compassionate propoganda. I thought the views of a former police officer published in the Telegraph might give a different perspective. (smackheadgif if I could be arsed)

6 Dec 2011

Quote by deancannock

max..not sure which one. For me as long as its a columnist, and not a reporter then i think it is fine to have an opinion. Not saying I or you would agree to the views expressed, but more than open to people being allowed to express them.
!!!!

Dean, we definitley wouldn't agree as the columnist I'm referring to is a certain Mr Jeremy Clarkson! So when you say it's OK for a columnist
to express an opinion, do you mean any columnist EXCEPT Clarkson?
max.....I defend his right to say it....I still find saying a person who says anyone who commits suicide should be left for scavening animals to clean up, is not worthy of being a columnist and those sort of comments disgust me. Maybe if some extremist writes in some newpaper that dead soldiers in Iraq should be left in the same manor , as he believes they are trespassers in his country...you will also think ( as I would ) that the person views disgust you, and are not worthy to be printed due to the offence they can and would cause.
So which is it Dean......fine to have an opinion or not worthy of being a columnist? Surely it can't be both?

6 Dec 2011

i must admit Stevens must have studied the statistics of the riots where it believed that only 40% of the adult rioters where receiving benefits
i think stop and search should be stopped, so these kids do not have to worry about carrying knives or contraband and not run the risk of being arrested for what they think is their right loon

6 Dec 2011

Quote by Ben_Minx
I dunno, I though the accusation was that the loony lefties were spreading compassionate propoganda. I thought the views of a former police officer published in the Telegraph might give a different perspective. (smackheadgif if I could be arsed)

ben you might just be right if i subscribed to some form of political belief but I'm afraid assumption has again failed you flipa

6 Dec 2011

Quote by Ben_Minx
I dunno, I though the accusation was that the loony lefties were spreading compassionate propoganda. I thought the views of a former police officer published in the Telegraph might give a different perspective. (smackheadgif if I could be arsed)

Have you been reading between those lines again?

6 Dec 2011

Quote by Bluefish2009
As for this piece the data revealed by this research, I suspect it almost useless. The thing is with this type of research, you get the answers to the questions asked. I suspect they were worded to get the answers they wanted.
:thumbup:
However, I will concede that unemployment, deprivation and lack of education are all factor's in these riots, but not the cause. But neither can I except that the police and unemployment are the root cause either.
Many other things will have had an effect, over crowding in some city housing estates, possibly the influx of persons from abroad or other areas, homelessness, poor parenting skills and maybe many other factors, when they all come together with the right catalyst
:thumbup: :thumbup:

6 Dec 2011

"So which is it Dean......fine to have an opinion or not worthy of being a columnist? Surely it can't be both?"
Max...as we all well know, there are certain opinions that are better not presented in a main stream tabloid newspaper. As I commented the world would be up in arms ( and rightly so ) if an extremist said britsh soldiers should be left to rot where they died if in a foreign country. But I am sure their are a fair few in this country with that view. If I was to be racist and incite violence, it would be an opinion but not worthy of being printed and indeed could get me arrested. We have seen someone who wrote on his facebook...lets all meet XXXXX and have our own riot here....jailed for 2 years !!
Opinions to me are acceptable....downright nasty, spitefull and offensive comments I would rather not read in a newspaper column.
As people know from another thread...I had a brother that committed suicide ( not by throwing uder a train I shall say )....but the comments made Mr Clarkson are deeply offensive. I fail to see how anyone can defend the comment made, that Jhonny Suicide should be left to the scavaging animals, so that trains can continue to run on time. Minimiseing delays and inconvience to others !!!

7 Dec 2011

Quote by deancannock
"So which is it Dean......fine to have an opinion or not worthy of being a columnist? Surely it can't be both?"
Max...as we all well know, there are certain opinions that are better not presented in a main stream tabloid newspaper. As I commented the world would be up in arms ( and rightly so ) if an extremist said britsh soldiers should be left to rot where they died if in a foreign country. But I am sure their are a fair few in this country with that view. If I was to be racist and incite violence, it would be an opinion but not worthy of being printed and indeed could get me arrested. We have seen someone who wrote on his facebook...lets all meet XXXXX and have our own riot here....jailed for 2 years !!
Opinions to me are acceptable....downright nasty, spitefull and offensive comments I would rather not read in a newspaper column.
As people know from another thread...I had a brother that committed suicide ( not by throwing uder a train I shall say )....but the comments made Mr Clarkson are deeply offensive. I fail to see how anyone can defend the comment made, that Jhonny Suicide should be left to the scavaging animals, so that trains can continue to run on time. Minimiseing delays and inconvience to others !!!

Dean, I'm truly sorry to hear of your brother's suicide but as I said earlier in the thread I cannot comment upon the article as I have not read it and I suspect neither have you, instead relying upon a few lines in another newspaper which may or may not have been taken out of context.
Your example of extremists are not really relevant as I doubt any mainstream publication would print such views, although I suspect similar views are expressed often in non
mainstrem media.
The point I was making was that you appeared to be making contradictory statements but if you say that a columnist is free to have his/her opions, then fair enough. You of course are entitled to express your opinion upon their opinions.

7 Dec 2011

Quote by Ben_Minx
I dunno, I though the accusation was that the loony lefties were spreading compassionate propoganda. I thought the views of a former police officer published in the Telegraph might give a different perspective. (smackheadgif if I could be arsed)

" I do wish you would improve your ability to read and digest information before you post ",
now what is the colour of that kettle again? :grin:

7 Dec 2011

Max....yes i have read the column...I even cut and pasted from it...the link to the column is one page one of thread. I say again...(no matter in what context), would anyone find the comment of leaving a dead body for scavening animals so trains can run on time, and there fore not inconvience anyone, acceptable or even worse funny ??
the extremist views I just commented on, as it would be an opinion. But we would be rightly disgusted by it. Same really....but we would not allow those comments to be in the mainstream media. Please note no where have I said Mr Clarkson should not have a right to his view. But equally I have a right to be disgusted by it and say so.

7 Dec 2011

Sorry Dean but on page 2 of the Clarkson thread you have cut and pasted an excerpt from the Guardian article, not the original article to which I refer. As I have previously stated I can't comment as I have not read the original column and have no idea as to whether the Guadian's piece takes Clarkson's comments out of context or not. I suspect they have their own agenda.

7 Dec 2011

Quote by deancannock
I say again...(no matter in what context), would anyone find the comment of leaving a dead body for scavening animals so trains can run on time, and there fore not inconvience anyone, acceptable or even worse funny ??

Yep. I found it funny. It was humour.
Dave_Notts

7 Dec 2011

Quote by Dave__Notts
I say again...(no matter in what context), would anyone find the comment of leaving a dead body for scavening animals so trains can run on time, and there fore not inconvience anyone, acceptable or even worse funny ??

Yep. I found it funny. It was humour.
Dave_Notts
Or was it satire? explains it well.

7 Dec 2011

Quote by GnV
Or was it satire? This link explains it well.

no gnv. it was funny It was humour :thumbup:
no wonder they dont like jokes on this forum, any joke would upset someone on here and probably the same peeple time and time again.

7 Dec 2011

if this is not allowed on here then i am sorry and take it off.
but i found this very funny. humour or offensive?

7 Dec 2011

Quote by starlightcouple

Or was it satire? This link explains it well.

no gnv. it was funny It was humour :thumbup:
no wonder they dont like jokes on this forum, any joke would upset someone on here and probably the same peeple time and time again.
Heeeerrrreeee we gooooooooooooooo .....

Can we assume then that only you are allowed to be offended by something ???

7 Dec 2011

upside down cat silhouette, jug, square?

7 Dec 2011

Quote by Ben_Minx
upside down cat silhouette, jug, square?

Very interesting :chin stroke: and now what do you see here ????

7 Dec 2011

An orc on a harley davidson coming towards me of course.

8 Dec 2011

i cant belive these riots where about youth unemployment some people really have got

8 Dec 2011

Or this?

8 Dec 2011

Quote by starlightcouple

max.....I defend his right to say it....I still find saying a person who says anyone who commits suicide should be left for scavening animals to clean up, is not worthy of being a columnist and those sort of comments disgust me.

but as you have openly admitted " i defend his right to say it ". sorry dean but your not doing that at all. you are stating as max has stated you are.
opinions eh dean? opinions. thankfully we all have them and are allowed to have them, unless of course it is a person that disgusts you with there comments eh? peeple have openly stated they found his comments funny and you did not. i suppose one of us will just have to get over that fact.:notes:

Quote by starlightcouple
freespeech is not exclusive to all mr notts.
this thred is a great example of how close to the line free speech is to being offensive. there are peeple on here including myself that feel that things said are offensive. now the site owners could it seems possibly you as well, think it is nothing more than free speech, as there have not been the usual warnings atatched to offensive threds.
i have been told that many peeple on this actual site have been banned for saying something that many could be deemed to be free speech, yet the site owners think it is offensive and breaks there aup.
there is a very fine line indeed and it depends on the person or persons invoilved as to whether they beleeve something is offensive, or could be classified as indeed free speech.
common sense should prevale on many of these occasions, but it sadly does not. if someone on here called another member a fat wanker, the site would probably ban that member, or at leest warn that member. but the member who said that could well then say it is my right under the freedom of speech to say that. probably only the fat person would be offended, and the skinny peeple would think nothing of it.
free speech is indeed a figment of someones imagination, as free speech can easily be put into the same catagory as offensive behaviour. i beleeve that things said on this thred are offensive to many peeple, yet that person could well now say it is his right to say that as it is free speech. the same free speech that would get a member banned if they called someone a fat wanker.
not the same at all mr notts and certainly not for all.:notes:
if free speech does indeed exist to all the muslims who have now been banned, wouldhave been able to demonstrate and shout whatever they like on remembrance sunday, but they cannot.
offensive or free speech? depends who it is aimed at.

Quote by starlightcouple

If you have found something offensive then use the report button.

i alredy have mr notts. but seeing as the thred and its contents still stand, i would presume that it is being treated as free speech.
it is peeples interpretations as to what is free speech and then what is is where it seems peeple get confused as to what is what.
I am always pleased to highlight such consistency of opinion

8 Dec 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob
i cant belive these riots where about youth unemployment some people really have got

Quote by Bluefish2009

Or this?

Soooooooooooooo given that the riots were caused by greed and criminality (and nothing else) why is there crime in places where there were no riots ?? surely if there were no other triggers then the riots would have been nationwide and still occurring every night

8 Dec 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
i cant belive these riots where about youth unemployment some people really have got

Quote by Bluefish2009

Or this?

Soooooooooooooo given that the riots were caused by greed and criminality (and nothing else) why is there crime in places where there were no riots ?? surely if there were no other triggers then the riots would have been nationwide and still occurring every night

Gread and criminality were only two of the causes

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I very rarely buy a newspaper, but I do visit several news websites, I often read the same story reported by differing people, at different sites/papers and then make up my mind on the story.
As for this piece the data revealed by this research, I suspect it almost useless. The thing is with this type of research, you get the answers to the questions asked. I suspect they were worded to get the answers they wanted.
However, I will concede that unemployment, deprivation and lack of education are all factor's in these riots, but not the cause. But neither can I except that the police and unemployment are the root cause either.
Many other things will have had an effect, over crowding in some city housing estates, possibly the influx of persons from abroad or other areas, homelessness, poor parenting skills and maybe many other factors, when they all come together with the right catalyst

Now that's an even handed well reasoned post

8 Dec 2011

I am well aware of your post and my response Blue, have I misinterpreted your posting of the above picture ???

9 Dec 2011

What about the 4th wise monkey.................

9 Dec 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I am well aware of your post and my response Blue, have I misinterpreted your posting of the above picture ???

I dont know, did you?
Those that belive the riots are due to unemployed youths hve their head in the sand
I have stated what I beleive to be the causes

9 Dec 2011

Firstly,
Riots or Mass Kick-Off's occurred nationally not only in London.
Secondly,
The Police could have dealt with what happened in North London before the copy-cat violence yet didn't possibly to show David Cameron what a Britain without them might be like.
I got this from what happened to the Tory HQ when it got rushed by thousands of angry Students again the Police could have prevented this outrage taking place yet took well over 1hr to arrive when this location surely MUST be on a security priority protection list?
Thirdly,
Is it still a surprise that it did occur as young people - those born from 1980 onwards are programmed & I use that word correctly by materialism via Pop Culture.
Unfortunately, it's been proven that the more interest an individual has with the mentioned Pop Culture the lower IQ / lack of Qualifications they have.
Meaning you really want that Plasma TV but can never afford it as we are living in the Age of Information no longer the Age of Industry a.k.a Factory Manual Labour.
So, we have a huge amount of people that are angry simply cause they can't obtain the latest Smartphone yet even with education it's no longer a guarantee of that nice
Upper-Middle Class lifestyle we are programmed to obtain.
& Fourthly,
It's all bulls**t, the main stream Political Parties to the false Celebrities with absolutely no talent to the University Sector that sell a dream that by the year fades due to over-subscription & majority of the population that think being intelligent or understanding complex issues is 'tooo much information'.
What you put in you'll get out & this Society just likes to blame others instead of looking at themselves.
It's tragic when I hear people with speak with such vigour about 'The X-Factor' instead of real life issues.
We must realize that the only solution is within us not voting for a Politician every 4yrs to hopefully lead us to 'thee promosied land' or obsession around the latest Celebrity Gossip.
Love is the answer & natural curiosity on ALL aspects of the Geopolitical.
Remember that the real looters wear suits & bezzie mates of those in Political Power.
How do you think not one has ended up in Court since September 2008... maybe it's all part of a Master-Plan yet to what end's?
Do some research, you might like it?

9 Dec 2011

Look at what I found...

Have a watch & feel sorry for the Youth... programmed to consume.