london riots

9 Aug 2011

Quote by browning
Something my dad drummed into us when we were young............
"everyman deserves your respect, until he prove's he does'nt".
Sadly, through my dealings with the typical rioter on the telly at the moment, I have no respect for them. They behave exactly the same way on my bus as they do on the street, they have no respect for anybody.

why do you think that is browning and what would you change to see a better britain?

9 Aug 2011

The response from Cameron is somewhat underwhelming to say the least.
Need a new Maggie.
If the Police leaders will not or cannot get a grip ,then they need to be replaced with people who can.
Use baton rounds and water cannon.

9 Aug 2011

Quote by starlightcouple
Something my dad drummed into us when we were young............
"everyman deserves your respect, until he prove's he does'nt".
Sadly, through my dealings with the typical rioter on the telly at the moment, I have no respect for them. They behave exactly the same way on my bus as they do on the street, they have no respect for anybody.

why do you think that is browning and what would you change to see a better britain?
we could start by letting parents condition their children again dunno

9 Aug 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob
Something my dad drummed into us when we were young............
"everyman deserves your respect, until he prove's he does'nt".
Sadly, through my dealings with the typical rioter on the telly at the moment, I have no respect for them. They behave exactly the same way on my bus as they do on the street, they have no respect for anybody.

why do you think that is browning and what would you change to see a better britain?
we could start by letting parents condition their children again dunno

All that bell ringing though Rob the noise abatement society would up in arms

9 Aug 2011

Quote by starlightcouple
in sure a few rubber bullets would leave the little fuckers something else to concentrate on
and frankly restore order at any cost :mad:

if only that could be allowed rob,. but alas the courts would be full of barristers fighting compensation claims for the injured rioters., :twisted:

Quote by browning
The media are being very controlled at mentioning the 'race' issue.
I'm sure the lefties will be out in force today defending the scum bags.................

is it a race issue though browning?i admit that the areas targeted have a larger than average black comunity, but whilst there are a lot of blacks kids comitting crimes there are also a lot of white kids as well.
now toxteth and brixton were race riots but looting places like bromley and ealing is nothing more than criminals doing what criminals do, and that is theeve.
i am sad to see places like where i grew up in clapham junction destroyed by what can only be called mindless scum. i hope the courts deel with them but knowing what i know about the courts if any of them get more than a year in jail i will be suprised. maybe the courts are to blame a lot of the time for dishing out to leniant sentences.?
I think it could be a race issue, but not a skin-colour one. Many of the "white" looking youths consider themselves to be the same "race" as their coloured friends and act as one. From the reports I've read, it seems to be a "them and us" situation. "Them" being unemployed feckless youths with whole bags of chips on their shoulders, and "us" being working, decent, law-abiding members of society. For the most part, anyhow.
Ebay now has some great bargains!

9 Aug 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob
we could start by letting parents condition their children again

is that by giving them the right to wallop there kids if they step out of line kind of conditioning? lol

9 Aug 2011

Quote by ForestFunsters
in sure a few rubber bullets would leave the little fuckers something else to concentrate on
and frankly restore order at any cost :mad:

if only that could be allowed rob,. but alas the courts would be full of barristers fighting compensation claims for the injured rioters., :twisted:

Quote by browning
The media are being very controlled at mentioning the 'race' issue.
I'm sure the lefties will be out in force today defending the scum bags.................

is it a race issue though browning?i admit that the areas targeted have a larger than average black comunity, but whilst there are a lot of blacks kids comitting crimes there are also a lot of white kids as well.
now toxteth and brixton were race riots but looting places like bromley and ealing is nothing more than criminals doing what criminals do, and that is theeve.
i am sad to see places like where i grew up in clapham junction destroyed by what can only be called mindless scum. i hope the courts deel with them but knowing what i know about the courts if any of them get more than a year in jail i will be suprised. maybe the courts are to blame a lot of the time for dishing out to leniant sentences.?
I think it could be a race issue, but not a skin-colour one. Many of the "white" looking youths consider themselves to be the same "race" as their coloured friends and act as one. From the reports I've read, it seems to be a "them and us" situation. "Them" being unemployed feckless youths with whole bags of chips on their shoulders, and "us" being working, decent, law-abiding members of society. For the most part, anyhow.
Ebay now has some great bargains!
Because we're the nice working classes not those nasty ones ... I read it "not you"it said "you're not like them" ...........
YET

9 Aug 2011

Im sure it's probably been said before, but I'm having a day of "too long, didn't read" so forgive me.
But I think the best way to deal with these kids is more than just stopping them from going out and looting. They need to allow the police to use water cannons, baton charges, rubber bullets and kettling. They need to turn off facebook, BBM, twitter etc and other social media outlets for everyone (can't do it selectively) and have people accept that their freedoms will be curtailed until the police can deal with the rioters.
People need to come out in force in their local communities and stand up to the rioters. Whilst I don't condone violence, if large crowds of locals stand in front of shops and stop the rioters from being able to move about, it will dissuade these kids from doing what they please.
I believe that the government should impose a law punishing the parents of the kids responsible, and that those over 18 should be charged for offences under the terrorism act as they are essentially terrorising the city with their behaviour and acts. We need to repeal a lot of the Human Rights Act that gives children impunity to act how they want and start teaching them social responsibility. The essence is if you break the laws of this country then you give up the freedoms you receive from living here. Jail is not the answer for a lot of them, but punishment needs to be swift, harsh and effective - something like forcing them to work on the clean up and public projects or be ostracised from the community and treated to demeaning acts.
A lot of my views might be a tad extreme, but if this were a time of moderation then there wouldn't be protests spreading across the country.
PDI (formerly known as bigdewi69)

9 Aug 2011

Quote by starlightcouple

we could start by letting parents condition their children again

is that by giving them the right to wallop there kids if they step out of line kind of conditioning? lol

yes star

9 Aug 2011

Quote by poundindigo
Im sure it's probably been said before, but I'm having a day of "too long, didn't read" so forgive me.
But I think the best way to deal with these kids is more than just stopping them from going out and looting. They need to allow the police to use water cannons, baton charges, rubber bullets and kettling. They need to turn off facebook, BBM, twitter etc and other social media outlets for everyone (can't do it selectively) and have people accept that their freedoms will be curtailed until the police can deal with the rioters.
People need to come out in force in their local communities and stand up to the rioters. Whilst I don't condone violence, if large crowds of locals stand in front of shops and stop the rioters from being able to move about, it will dissuade these kids from doing what they please.
I believe that the government should impose a law punishing the parents of the kids responsible, and that those over 18 should be charged for offences under the terrorism act as they are essentially terrorising the city with their behaviour and acts. We need to repeal a lot of the Human Rights Act that gives children impunity to act how they want and start teaching them social responsibility. The essence is if you break the laws of this country then you give up the freedoms you receive from living here. Jail is not the answer for a lot of them, but punishment needs to be swift, harsh and effective - something like forcing them to work on the clean up and public projects or be ostracised from the community and treated to demeaning acts.
A lot of my views might be a tad extreme, but if this were a time of moderation then there wouldn't be protests spreading across the country.
PDI (formerly known as bigdewi69)

seconded :thumbup:

9 Aug 2011

Quote by poundindigo
Im sure it's probably been said before, but I'm having a day of "too long, didn't read" so forgive me.
But I think the best way to deal with these kids is more than just stopping them from going out and looting. They need to allow the police to use water cannons, baton charges, rubber bullets and kettling. They need to turn off facebook, BBM, twitter etc and other social media outlets for everyone (can't do it selectively) and have people accept that their freedoms will be curtailed until the police can deal with the rioters.
People need to come out in force in their local communities and stand up to the rioters. Whilst I don't condone violence, if large crowds of locals stand in front of shops and stop the rioters from being able to move about, it will dissuade these kids from doing what they please.
I believe that the government should impose a law punishing the parents of the kids responsible, and that those over 18 should be charged for offences under the terrorism act as they are essentially terrorising the city with their behaviour and acts. We need to repeal a lot of the Human Rights Act that gives children impunity to act how they want and start teaching them social responsibility. The essence is if you break the laws of this country then you give up the freedoms you receive from living here. Jail is not the answer for a lot of them, but punishment needs to be swift, harsh and effective - something like forcing them to work on the clean up and public projects or be ostracised from the community and treated to demeaning acts.
A lot of my views might be a tad extreme, but if this were a time of moderation then there wouldn't be protests spreading across the country.
PDI (formerly known as bigdewi69)

:thumbup:
thirded. but the bit of your post that i have highlighted i have always thought that.
hit the parents of these kids in the pockets and watch those kids vanish from the streets, but this government and the last and the next will never have the guts to enforce it through the law.

9 Aug 2011

I saw one video footage where a Police Officer charged at a mobster with his shield and floored him.
At that point, he withdrew but he should have been allowed to break the little bastard's legs to stop him causing any more harm to the community. As it happened, the little scroat goaded the officer to have another go but he didn't; he walked away.
Sadly, these defenceless officers are scared shitless of hurting anyone lest they should end up in court rather than the shitbags who should be....
We created this society, or rather, we allowed it to be created by empowering morons to run our affairs for us. It us who have to properly empower the Police to deal with these mobs or do it ourselves. The idea that vigilante groups should be formed to protect property and people is abhorrent in a modern society but if it needs to be done, it needs to be done now. Insurance premiums are going to go through the roof just like they did after the student riots.
The people need to take Britain back into their control. Politicians need to listen very very carefully to ordinary honest decent hard working citizens not fruitcake trick-cyclists who have been given too much rope to experiment with and left wing arty-farty liberalists who can't see the wood for the trees.
Policing Britain is by consent not by sheer numbers of Officers on the streets. The people of Britain need to show their strength and stand full square up to these toe-rags and beat the living shit out of them if they step out of line.
In China, these mobs would be lined up in the street and summarily executed by a bullet to the back of their head in full public view.
Little wonder then that there is very little disorder there.
Would save quite a bit on student fees and benefits as well wink

But, we can't do it because we are telling Gaddifi and Assad they can't do it either.

9 Aug 2011

whilst i do not condone violence the police are there to protect members of the public and that should mean by force if nesecary.
i understand that this was a wrong thing to do but if it was a rioter would this action now be acceptable?

regretably of course this man died but if a police oficer did the same shove to a rioter would he also be facing a manslaughter charge and his career in tatters as well or would as i suspect the majority of peeple would like to see the police use this kind of force and some would go even further.
i know one thing, i would not like to be a police officer on the streets in 2011 and certanly not in a riot situation where a police officer must be terrified of being hrt himself and of possibly hurting someone else and being held acountable for it.
no win situation for many officers out on the streets over the last three nights

9 Aug 2011

Sorry, I couldn't be arsed to read whats been said so far (I don't venture into the CA forum often) but I just found this:

Forced to strip ... what's that all about? Would you get ya kit off if thugs told you to?

9 Aug 2011

A moving staircase is called an ........... ???

9 Aug 2011

unleash the police or vigilante ??? i do believe thats at the top of the esculator staggs

9 Aug 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob
unleash the police or vigilante ??? i do believe thats at the top of the esculator staggs

First steps are always to be carefully considered

9 Aug 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
unleash the police or vigilante ??? i do believe thats at the top of the esculator staggs

First steps are always to be carefully considered
i do believe once on its very hard to get off untill you reach either the top or the bottom

9 Aug 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
unleash the police or vigilante ??? i do believe thats at the top of the esculator staggs

First steps are always to be carefully considered
looks like it could be the latter then
i was mailed this link

9 Aug 2011

Quote by poundindigo
Im sure it's probably been said before, but I'm having a day of "too long, didn't read" so forgive me.
But I think the best way to deal with these kids is more than just stopping them from going out and looting. They need to allow the police to use water cannons, baton charges, rubber bullets and kettling. They need to turn off facebook, BBM, twitter etc and other social media outlets for everyone (can't do it selectively) and have people accept that their freedoms will be curtailed until the police can deal with the rioters.
People need to come out in force in their local communities and stand up to the rioters. Whilst I don't condone violence, if large crowds of locals stand in front of shops and stop the rioters from being able to move about, it will dissuade these kids from doing what they please.
I believe that the government should impose a law punishing the parents of the kids responsible, and that those over 18 should be charged for offences under the terrorism act as they are essentially terrorising the city with their behaviour and acts. We need to repeal a lot of the Human Rights Act that gives children impunity to act how they want and start teaching them social responsibility. The essence is if you break the laws of this country then you give up the freedoms you receive from living here. Jail is not the answer for a lot of them, but punishment needs to be swift, harsh and effective - something like forcing them to work on the clean up and public projects or be ostracised from the community and treated to demeaning acts.
A lot of my views might be a tad extreme, but if this were a time of moderation then there wouldn't be protests spreading across the country.
PDI (formerly known as bigdewi69)

maybe we should sterilise them as well,?

9 Aug 2011

Dear Cameron and Johnson,
In light of what's happened tonight in the rest of the Country, just to prove that you are not London-centric, can we please have our local Police back ?
Given that there is an increase from circa 6,000 to 16,000 in London this evening, reported to be 5 times the number of Police normally deployed in London on a Tueday evening, drawn from some 31 other Police forces across the country.
Once we get tham back and can start better dealing with the serious local unrest, could you perhaps also advise whether the costs involved in paying, transporting and accomodating our Police that we pay for locally via the Community Charge, etc. will be borne by ourselves, by the Met or by central Government ?
(We don't see why we should have to pay for something we are not having the use of, so to speak)
regards
Disgruntled of the Provinces
:twisted:

9 Aug 2011

Quote by annejohn
Im sure it's probably been said before, but I'm having a day of "too long, didn't read" so forgive me.
But I think the best way to deal with these kids is more than just stopping them from going out and looting. They need to allow the police to use water cannons, baton charges, rubber bullets and kettling. They need to turn off facebook, BBM, twitter etc and other social media outlets for everyone (can't do it selectively) and have people accept that their freedoms will be curtailed until the police can deal with the rioters.
People need to come out in force in their local communities and stand up to the rioters. Whilst I don't condone violence, if large crowds of locals stand in front of shops and stop the rioters from being able to move about, it will dissuade these kids from doing what they please.
I believe that the government should impose a law punishing the parents of the kids responsible, and that those over 18 should be charged for offences under the terrorism act as they are essentially terrorising the city with their behaviour and acts. We need to repeal a lot of the Human Rights Act that gives children impunity to act how they want and start teaching them social responsibility. The essence is if you break the laws of this country then you give up the freedoms you receive from living here. Jail is not the answer for a lot of them, but punishment needs to be swift, harsh and effective - something like forcing them to work on the clean up and public projects or be ostracised from the community and treated to demeaning acts.
A lot of my views might be a tad extreme, but if this were a time of moderation then there wouldn't be protests spreading across the country.
PDI (formerly known as bigdewi69)

maybe we should sterilise them as well,?
Not sterilise them, but definitely make sure that if people have kids then they should be prepared to accept the responsibility for them.
Letting your 12 year old go out and loot is a sign of bad parenting. If you have to work and can't supervise them (as is the case sometimes), then bringing them up with proper morals and ethics to begin with is the answer. People have been doing it for hundreds of years so it's not impossible, even in this day and age.
As for escalation, if they keep at it then bringing in the TA will make them think twice. No kid is stupid enough to throw rocks at someone with a gun, who knows how to use it and can do. If they are stupid enough, then they deserve to get shot and so help thin out the gene pool.
Note: I don't condone the killing of children or youngsters, but it merely stands as a symbol of what it takes to bring the youth of today back into line and be a part of society and the community that is now taking an active stand against them.

10 Aug 2011

Quote by poundindigo
As for escalation, if they keep at it then bringing in the TA will make them think twice. No kid is stupid enough to throw rocks at someone with a gun, who knows how to use it and can do. If they are stupid enough, then they deserve to get shot and so help thin out the gene pool.
Note: I don't condone the killing of children or youngsters, but it merely stands as a symbol of what it takes to bring the youth of today back into line and be a part of society and the community that is now taking an active stand against them.

Ulster Palestine ... no-one throws rocks at armed men if they do just kill them just as symbol you understand

10 Aug 2011

Water Cannon authorised....
I hope they add a florescent unwashable dye to the water so they can identify the little scroats later... Like the stuff they put in money transfer boxes used by security companies if the box is stolen.

10 Aug 2011

Quote by poundindigo
As for escalation, if they keep at it then bringing in the TA will make them think twice. No kid is stupid enough to throw rocks at someone with a gun, who knows how to use it and can do. If they are stupid enough, then they deserve to get shot and so help thin out the gene pool.
Note: I don't condone the killing of children or youngsters, but it merely stands as a symbol of what it takes to bring the youth of today back into line and be a part of society and the community that is now taking an active stand against them.

Dewi, you're not the only one advocating putting armed soldiers on to the streets, so not singling you out particularly, but seems to me though that some are losing all sense of perspective. Yes the riots are disturbing for those living in the area, yes it's shit that business owners have had their livelihoods attacked, but at the end of the day it's mostly a load of bloody kids taking advantage of the fact that the police, for whatever reason, have not been properly prepared for this. That's all. It's not the end of society as we know it FGS.
The police over recent days have coped better I think, and so they should, cos if the police service are unable to deal with low-level disorder of this sort ((( and I am aware that there were deaths last night, but that doesn't mean it's still not low-level ))) consisting mostly of sporadic, opportunistic looting conducted by teenagers who think it's all just a big bluddy laugh, God help us if real politically-motivated civil disorder breaks out at some point, but putting the army out onto the streets to deal with it does seem like an enormous over-reaction, and it's a tactic that has previously failed where tried, as has been pointed out.
N x x x ;)

10 Aug 2011

Why not give the Cops paint-ball guns? They give a nice wallop to the person receiving the shot and leave a nice colour which will enable the Police to see who has been hit, thus easier to arrest.
Actually I think ordinary people would be quite prepared to take on the roll of marksmen (markswomen), a few volleys would certainly discourage the rioters and provide an element of competition to the shooters.
Or, why don't the Cops hide in the nearest Currys / PC World when trouble looks likely to break out, cos thats where most looters head straight for, looters come in the front door, cops nick them and herd them out the back. Simples !!!
John

10 Aug 2011

The most signed e-petition on the No 10 website is one calling for convicted rioters to lose benefit payments

10 Aug 2011

Quote by neilinleeds
but seems to me though that some are losing all sense of perspective. Yes the riots are disturbing for those living in the area, yes it's shit that business owners have had their livelihoods attacked, but at the end of the day That's all. It's not the end of society as we know it FGS.

sorry nell but that comes from some body who reely knows nothing.
firstly a kid no matter how old is just as capable of fire bombing a house or a business as a full grown adult. so it makes not a jot of differance how old they are.
yes business owners have had there livlihoods attacked but what about those that work for that business who rely on that business to pay there wages nell. how about them?
at the end of the day that is all is it nell? a bit more to it than that nell even a kid could see that one. banghead

you i am afraid to say have lost all sence of perspective yourself.
that coment above comes from somebody who has had neither there house or business looted and burnt to the ground, but somebody who has sat there in front of there telly watching it all unfold whilst eating there dinner!
i am glad that you are not PM nell,in fact i am glad that you will have nothing to do with convicting and stopping these yobs nell.
this comment

Quote by neilinleeds
it's mostly a load of bloody kids taking advantage of the fact that the police, for whatever reason, have not been properly prepared for this.

i bet you also think the police should ware fluffy woolen gloves when deeling with them as well nell :twisted:
how on earth do you seriusly expect the police to be properly prepared for the worst riots in most peeples living memory in about 16 different areas of the uk?
i would love to hear nell how YOU would have delt with this and how you would aim to stop this? it should be very easy nell as they are only little kids after all.
i await and if good will e mail it to mr cameron for his perusal. :notes:

10 Aug 2011

A delightfully well thought out contribution Neil, thank you , Neil.

10 Aug 2011

Quote by neilinleeds
As for escalation, if they keep at it then bringing in the TA will make them think twice. No kid is stupid enough to throw rocks at someone with a gun, who knows how to use it and can do. If they are stupid enough, then they deserve to get shot and so help thin out the gene pool.
Note: I don't condone the killing of children or youngsters, but it merely stands as a symbol of what it takes to bring the youth of today back into line and be a part of society and the community that is now taking an active stand against them.

Dewi, you're not the only one advocating putting armed soldiers on to the streets, so not singling you out particularly,but seems to me though that some are losing all sense of perspective. Yes the riots are disturbing for those living in the area, yes it's shit that business owners have had their livelihoods attacked, but at the end of the day it's mostly a load of bloody kids taking advantage of the fact that the police, for whatever reason, have not been properly prepared for this. That's all. It's not the end of society as we know it FGS.
The police over recent days have coped better I think, and so they should, cos if the police service are unable to deal with low-level disorder of this sort ((( and I am aware that there were deaths last night, but that doesn't mean it's still not low-level ))) consisting mostly of sporadic, opportunistic looting conducted by teenagers who think it's all just a big bluddy laugh, God help us if real politically-motivated civil disorder breaks out at some point, but putting the army out onto the streets to deal with it does seem like an enormous over-reaction, and it's a tactic that has previously failed where tried, as has been pointed out.
N x x x ;)
really neil
im sure those that have worked all year for a tv or a sofa and the little indian off licence in peckham will take great comfort that its just a group of kids taking advantage .
especially when all their worldly goods, houses and hard worked business have been lost forever
sorry to tell you this fella but a lot of people that lost out here were people like you and me and probably everyone else on the forums not just multi nationals
how the fuck is that off licence owner gonna serve the same people who robbed and looted aswell as smashed up his business and stay calm. ffs neil at least think about what your
posting and not the first dribble that comes to mind
im not sure you`d be posting this tripe if you'd been affected directly mate
tell me why didnt the police go in ????
have you thought that while peoples house's,cars and business burned the police stood by
just maybe to champion their cause regarding the cuts to the forces
so a political riot is going to be worse is it loads of thugs shouting torys out !!! have you got a grip of reality ?????