Manhunt

10 Jul 2010

Quote by Mal
Military trainers will train many many people over the course of several years. They cannot remember everyone by name years later, unless they stand out for a particular reason.

So that is an easy excuse to write an article, and then use the line of they cannot remember?
Hmmmmmm..........I see now, an easy get out clause.
Typical troll reply, picking holes in anything and everything so they are always right. It's called real life, people do not remember absolutely everything forever.
Mal
With the greatest of respect Mal....the article makes some sweeping statements and then the people making the accusations cannot remember things.
If someone forgets something how can they make an accurate statement?
It can never be a true accurate statement....can it?
Just to point out, as you have decided to twist what was written again, it doesn't say fact definitely that they trained them and then forgotten them , they qualified it by saying 'they are not certain'.
As I have already pointed out to two other members, these threads should not be used for point scoring. If you feel the need to continue point scoring, feel free to PM rather than annoy other site users. however I may or may not reply.
Mal
it will make interesting reading one post per thread
there is a certain amount of point scoring in some threads but there is also a lot of debate which i think was either clarifying your position or helping someone else to understand miss read info
*robipedia* moderator: see dave notts

10 Jul 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Well at least he has done something worthwhile in his life now.
He is dead so is another, and two very seriously injured and all because some nutter could not control his jealous rages...good riddance to bad rubbish as someone used to say to me when younger.
So Guls as you were the one with the conspiracy theory....did he really shoot himself or was it some banker/copper/or politician who did it? :twisted:
At least no copper this morning is having to hand his gun over, and then go through all that rubbish they put them through when a police officer shoots someone.
Lets hope he has a very private funeral.

kenty, i am very sorry that raoul moat is dead as, if you look at my txts, you will see that i thought that would happen, however he died. dead men dont talk.
i do not presume raoul moat killed anyone or injured anyone. that is trial/inquest by media/internet/police. there were others, remanded in custody, connected with the case. I HAVE PRESUMED NO CONSPIRACY between any parties. i do not know how many shots of firearms took place, i do not know how many injuries he has and i do not know what he died of, yet.
i do know what the media have said has occured from day one and i do know what the police have said from day one.
until an autopsy of the body takes place and an inquest has been heard, i will remain open minded. i hope this process will be afforded to the late mr. moat, his family and friends. it's a shame that it was not available to dr. david kelly and his family but i hope that should you be accused of any crime, that DUE PROCESS be afforded to you.
where the conspiracy theory is here or politicians and bankers having a hand in it goes over my head i'm afraid.

10 Jul 2010

Quote by gulsonroad30664
Well at least he has done something worthwhile in his life now.
He is dead so is another, and two very seriously injured and all because some nutter could not control his jealous rages...good riddance to bad rubbish as someone used to say to me when younger.
So Guls as you were the one with the conspiracy theory....did he really shoot himself or was it some banker/copper/or politician who did it? :twisted:
At least no copper this morning is having to hand his gun over, and then go through all that rubbish they put them through when a police officer shoots someone.
Lets hope he has a very private funeral.

kenty, i am very sorry that raoul moat is dead as, if you look at my txts, you will see that i thought that would happen, however he died. dead men dont talk.
i do not presume raoul moat killed anyone or injured anyone. that is trial/inquest by media/internet/police. there were others, remanded in custody, connected with the case. I HAVE PRESUMED NO CONSPIRACY between any parties. i do not know how many shots of firearms took place, i do not know how many injuries he has and i do not know what he died of, yet.
i do know what the media have said has occured from day one and i do know what the police have said from day one.
until an autopsy of the body takes place and an inquest has been heard, i will remain open minded. i hope this process will be afforded to the late mr. moat, his family and friends. it's a shame that it was not available to dr. david kelly and his family but i hope that should you be accused of any crime, that DUE PROCESS be afforded to you.
where the conspiracy theory is here or politicians and bankers having a hand in it goes over my head i'm afraid.
Good points Gul

10 Jul 2010

Quote by gulsonroad30664
Well at least he has done something worthwhile in his life now.
He is dead so is another, and two very seriously injured and all because some nutter could not control his jealous rages...good riddance to bad rubbish as someone used to say to me when younger.
So Guls as you were the one with the conspiracy theory....did he really shoot himself or was it some banker/copper/or politician who did it? :twisted:
At least no copper this morning is having to hand his gun over, and then go through all that rubbish they put them through when a police officer shoots someone.
Lets hope he has a very private funeral.

kenty, i am very sorry that raoul moat is dead as, if you look at my txts, you will see that i thought that would happen, however he died. dead men dont talk.
i do not presume raoul moat killed anyone or injured anyone. that is trial/inquest by media/internet/police. there were others, remanded in custody, connected with the case. I HAVE PRESUMED NO CONSPIRACY between any parties. i do not know how many shots of firearms took place, i do not know how many injuries he has and i do not know what he died of, yet.
i do know what the media have said has occured from day one and i do know what the police have said from day one.
until an autopsy of the body takes place and an inquest has been heard, i will remain open minded. i hope this process will be afforded to the late mr. moat, his family and friends. it's a shame that it was not available to dr. david kelly and his family but i hope that should you be accused of any crime, that DUE PROCESS be afforded to you.
where the conspiracy theory is here or politicians and bankers having a hand in it goes over my head i'm afraid.
Sorry Guls seems I cannot answer you.

11 Jul 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
it will make interesting reading one post per thread
there is a certain amount of point scoring in some threads but there is also a lot of debate which i think was either clarifying your position or helping someone else to understand miss read info
*robipedia* moderator: see dave notts

If you think it would lead to one post per thread you must have a very low opinion of forum users. Most can manage to string together a sensible reply without insults, constant nitpicking and pointscoring. If you care to cast your eye over the forums that is what you will find.
However a few members monopolise some threads with their own agendas which can cause those threads to degenerate and put off some from posting for fear of being ripped to shreds, insulted or mocked. Clarifying a post is one thing, doing it just to show someone as superior is something else. Intelligent debate is always welcome, as is a sense of humour. lol

Mal

11 Jul 2010

Quote by Mal

it will make interesting reading one post per thread
there is a certain amount of point scoring in some threads but there is also a lot of debate which i think was either clarifying your position or helping someone else to understand miss read info
*robipedia* moderator: see dave notts

If you think it would lead to one post per thread you must have a very low opinion of forum users. Most can manage to string together a sensible reply without insults, constant nitpicking and pointscoring. If you care to cast your eye over the forums that is what you will find.
However a few members monopolise some threads with their own agendas which can cause those threads to degenerate and put off some from posting for fear of being ripped to shreds, insulted or mocked. Clarifying a post is one thing, doing it just to show someone as superior is something else. Intelligent debate is always welcome, as is a sense of humour. lol

Mal
so because someone interprets something different to someone else it becomes nit picking dunno

some people are more passionate about what they believe to be true and many different references are used bit if someone see`s something different to you in a statement its NOT point scoring thats just a poor excuse YOU can use to berate kentys post and end his argument (thus one post per thread comment )
he did have a valid point if you cant remember how can you give an accurate statement but that`s by the by and his /your argument
yes there are times i lower my level but sometimes also raise it but i only treat as i find wink

one thing i found on the forum is that there was quite a click and argument was futile well written snipes failure to listen to an point of view or valid links and instead of seeing it and going oh now i see it they would just go silent and wait to sniper another post on another thread like i said treat as your treated
any way glad to see your sense of humour i got one but not everyone gets it :wink:

11 Jul 2010

I wont clarify my post any further, I think it's clear enough.
However it would help to understand your post if you use some punctuation. It makes it very difficult to read as it is.
Mal
wink

11 Jul 2010

Quote by Mal
I wont clarify my post any further, I think it's clear enough.
However it would help to understand your post if you use some punctuation. It makes it very difficult to read as it is.
Mal

sorry i didn`t do school i was to busy being barrow boy at smithfeilds when i was a kid redface

11 Jul 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
I wont clarify my post any further, I think it's clear enough.
However it would help to understand your post if you use some punctuation. It makes it very difficult to read as it is.
Mal

sorry i didn`t do school i was to busy being barrow boy at smithfeilds when i was a kid redface

Surly a schooling In its self :wink:

11 Jul 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
sorry i didn`t do school i was to busy being barrow boy at smithfeilds when i was a kid

Punctuation is not everything....
I understand every word Gullson says.
bolt

11 Jul 2010

Quote by gulsonroad30664
stuff

kenty, i am very sorry that raoul moat is dead as, if you look at my txts, you will see that i thought that would happen, however he died. dead men dont talk.
i do not presume raoul moat killed anyone or injured anyone. that is trial/inquest by media/internet/police. there were others, remanded in custody, connected with the case. I HAVE PRESUMED NO CONSPIRACY between any parties. i do not know how many shots of firearms took place, i do not know how many injuries he has and i do not know what he died of, yet.
i do know what the media have said has occured from day one and i do know what the police have said from day one.
until an autopsy of the body takes place and an inquest has been heard, i will remain open minded. i hope this process will be afforded to the late mr. moat, his family and friends. it's a shame that it was not available to dr. david kelly and his family but i hope that should you be accused of any crime, that DUE PROCESS be afforded to you.
where the conspiracy theory is here or politicians and bankers having a hand in it goes over my head i'm afraid.
The post mortem showed he died of gunshot wounds consistent with a weapon he was carrying. Are you now convinced he was not "executed" by the police?
Did you apply your "open mindedness" to the Cumbrian shootings too, as Derrick Bird never faced trial and as you say "dead men don't talk"?

11 Jul 2010

I still see no harm in a healthy scepticism in things we are told

11 Jul 2010

Max the only thing that will leave the police wide open, is the fact they tasered him moments before he shot himself.
The " think brigade " who of course will not have been there at that point, will ask did you really have to taser him?
In my mind I am sure the police would have wanted to get him alive so he could face the trial he deserved. The police will not get the satisfaction of seeing him banged up for 25 years plus.
One of the few people who are really glad he is dead, is the ex girlfriend he tried to kill. At least she will not have to look over her shoulder for fear of this lunatic showing up again one day.
For me it will mean no expensive trial.....no parole in ten years time, or finding out he has been on " shopping trips " on his own in a few years time.
He got exactly what he deserved and at least he had the decency to do it himself.
In life sometimes you get exactly what you deserve, and this case highlights that perfectly.

11 Jul 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Max the only thing that will leave the police wide open, is the fact they tasered him moments before he shot himself.
The " think brigade " who of course will not have been there at that point, will ask did you really have to taser him?
In my mind I am sure the police would have wanted to get him alive so he could face the trial he deserved. The police will not get the satisfaction of seeing him banged up for 25 years plus.
One of the few people who are really glad he is dead, is the ex girlfriend he tried to kill. At least she will not have to look over her shoulder for fear of this lunatic showing up again one day.
For me it will mean no expensive trial.....no parole in ten years time, or finding out he has been on " shopping trips " on his own in a few years time.
He got exactly what he deserved and at least he had the decency to do it himself.
In life sometimes you get exactly what you deserve, and this case highlights that perfectly.

add the £30`000+ per year to keep this man in prison for the next 25 years

11 Jul 2010

That is over 25 years.
Even if we paid for his funeral we would all be quids in. wink

11 Jul 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009
I still see no harm in a healthy scepticism in things we are told

I wouldn't disagree with that Blue but there is a difference between healthy scepticism and seeing a sinister cover up and/or conspiracy in every situation, event, crisis et al.

11 Jul 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
add the £30`000+ per year to keep this man in prison for the next 25 years

I don't know where you get your figures from but that is vastly underestimated Rob.
The stats that can be found from googling just gives the basic cost but there are a lot of unreported costs that are not accounted for when looking at this type of criminal.
An example I can give here is if the prisoner leaves the cell at any point, due to his prisoner category, he will have to have a five man escort. This adds greatly to the cost rather than just his food, board, heating, lighting, etc.
I would say that you need to have £30,000+++++++++++++++++ to be more accurate.
Anyway, it would have cost a lot of money.
Dave_Notts

11 Jul 2010

Quote by Dave__Notts

add the £30`000+ per year to keep this man in prison for the next 25 years

I don't know where you get your figures from but that is vastly underestimated Rob.
The stats that can be found from googling just gives the basic cost but there are a lot of unreported costs that are not accounted for when looking at this type of criminal.
An example I can give here is if the prisoner leaves the cell at any point, due to his prisoner category, he will have to have a five man escort. This adds greatly to the cost rather than just his food, board, heating, lighting, etc.
I would say that you need to have £30,000+++++++++++++++++ to be more accurate.
Anyway, it would have cost a lot of money.
Dave_Notts
i did try to stay on the Conservative side with this Dave(other wise some run Away with the opportunity to question) ,short term prisoners are estimated from a brief look at £30-40,000 per year dependent on source

11 Jul 2010

People question on here Rob? Nah....ya getting paranoid. lol

I did read somewhere and feck if I can find it now, but it was from a very good source, that the " average " which by Government figures means it is higher,it is per year.
I believe that with everything chucked into the pot, it is possibly closer to 50 grand a year.
How it costs that much I do not know,but anyway a rather large sum of money.

11 Jul 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
People question on here Rob? Nah....ya getting paranoid.
I did read somewhere and feck if I can find it now, but it was from a very good source, that the " average " which by Government figures means it is higher,it is per year.
I believe that with everything chucked into the pot, it is possibly closer to 50 grand a year.
How it costs that much I do not know,but anyway a rather large sum of money.

i do believe there is going to be a shortage of farm pickers this year? so why not do what they do in the states and makes em earn their keep :twisted:

11 Jul 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
i do believe there is going to be a shortage of farm pickers this year? so why not do what they do in the states and makes em earn their keep :twisted:

The shortage is due to the immigrant labour moving to better jobs.
Prisoners in category "D" (the only category judged suitable to be outside prison) already do work outside prison.
Murderers are category "A" and would never be allowed outside prison unless accompanied by several prison officers, and the police have to be informed of their transport.

11 Jul 2010

Quote by Dave__Notts

add the £30`000+ per year to keep this man in prison for the next 25 years

I don't know where you get your figures from but that is vastly underestimated Rob.
The stats that can be found from googling just gives the basic cost but there are a lot of unreported costs that are not accounted for when looking at this type of criminal.
An example I can give here is if the prisoner leaves the cell at any point, due to his prisoner category, he will have to have a five man escort. This adds greatly to the cost rather than just his food, board, heating, lighting, etc.
I would say that you need to have £30,000+++++++++++++++++ to be more accurate.
Anyway, it would have cost a lot of money.
Dave_Notts
No he wouldn't, well not for leaving his cell...if you mean being escorted out of the prison for a hospital appointment, someone as high profile as Moats would have a 3 officer and a senior officer escort,at the most. But over time that would drop down to a two man escort as his catergory changes.

11 Jul 2010

Quote by JTS

i do believe there is going to be a shortage of farm pickers this year? so why not do what they do in the states and makes em earn their keep :twisted:

The shortage is due to the immigrant labour moving to better jobs.
Prisoners in category "D" (the only category judged suitable to be outside prison) already do work outside prison.
Murderers are category "A" and would never be allowed outside prison unless accompanied by several prison officers, and the police have to be informed of their transport.
i do believe there called chain gangs for reason and pretty sure that a few screws armed with a high powered rifle or shot gun would be enough of a deterrent :twisted:

11 Jul 2010

Chaining someone up in a "chain gang" would most likely offend their human rights under the European convention (witness the stop on the extradition of "The Hook" to the States as one example).
With an open mind, I can see why some people might wish to "canonise" Moat and whilst press reporting may not have provided the populous with the entire facts - for what ever reason, I think there is sufficient meat on the bones to show that this "nutter" (as so eloquently described by 2 Northumbrian school girls) was of evil disposition and very much the author of his own misfortune.
is less likely to see how such a person could ever be described as being "nice".

11 Jul 2010

Good riddence.....

11 Jul 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
i do believe there called chain gangs for reason and pretty sure that a few screws armed with a high powered rifle or shot gun would be enough of a deterrent

Rob can you imagine the leftys allowing this?
Work? What as a punishment? ffs you would have to drag them away from their cells, and they ain't gonnan want to leave their Playstations now are they? lol

I would in some capacity MAKE them work for the ammount of money it costs to keep them locked away from society...
What about getting them to paint some grass a bit more greener or....paint the area where they excercise a nicer shade of grey? Pointless maybe but at least the taxpayer can see they are getting some value for their money, instead of so called rehabilitation measures. :sad:

11 Jul 2010

Quote by JTS

i do believe there is going to be a shortage of farm pickers this year? so why not do what they do in the states and makes em earn their keep :twisted:

The shortage is due to the immigrant labour moving to better jobs.
Prisoners in category "D" (the only category judged suitable to be outside prison) already do work outside prison.
Murderers are category "A" and would never be allowed outside prison unless accompanied by several prison officers, and the police have to be informed of their transport.
there is of course b&c
but as for A:: i think some states have an adiquate policy for preventing them becoming a burden on the state /tax payer wink

11 Jul 2010

There are some people on here, who should be fucking ashamed of themselves, did any of you know this man, its all quite easy to say he was a nutter, he got what was coming to him, saved the taxpayer a few quid...you have judged him by what you have read in the gutter press...even the Sun was running a fucking picture of him aged two months "even at two months he had clenched fists" FFS...aswell a small penis sideline.
If he or the taxi driver could go out on a killing spree then anyone of us is capable...i'll be listening out next time for nutjob printer goes on killing spree in Bexleyheath or bus driver flips, kills passengers and himself because passenger didn't have correct change!

11 Jul 2010

Quote by Mr-Powers
There are some people on here, who should be fucking ashamed of themselves, did any of you know this man, its all quite easy to say he was a nutter, he got what was coming to him, saved the taxpayer a few quid...you have judged him by what you have read in the gutter press...even the Sun was running a fucking picture of him aged two months "even at two months he had clenched fists" FFS...aswell a small penis sideline.
If he or the taxi driver could go out on a killing spree then anyone of us is capable...i'll be listening out next time for nutjob printer goes on killing spree in Bexleyheath or bus driver flips, kills passengers and himself because passenger didn't have correct change!

Manhunt, witch hunt, it's all the same, todays news, tomorrows fish and chip paper. (as it used to be)

11 Jul 2010

As a thought....stop worrying about this tosser and concentrate on his ex girlfriend who was shot in the stomach and nearly died.
Think about the dead new boyfriend, killed for nothing and think about an innocent Police officer also shot and seriously injured.
Don't waste your energy thinking about the man whose only decent thing was to blow his own head off, instead of facing punishment. Coward and a killer..