Manhunt

15 Jul 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Here's a thought....it's a sad day when anyones life is ended prematurely

Depends who it is, when ian huntley dies, will that be a sad day?
If he's killed yes....it's a sad day when anyone resorts to killing either themselves or someone else for whatever reason
Would that view extend to voluntary euthanasia too or would you far rather seriously ill people continue their torture and live a wretched life of intolerable pain rather than seek early release from the inevitable?
In some cases, it should be more a celebration rather than being described as a sad day...

15 Jul 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Here's a thought....it's a sad day when anyones life is ended prematurely

It's a sad day for those who suffer because of that premature death but just the opposite for those who would have suffered had it not happened.

15 Jul 2010

Quote by GnV
Here's a thought....it's a sad day when anyones life is ended prematurely

Depends who it is, when ian huntley dies, will that be a sad day?
If he's killed yes....it's a sad day when anyone resorts to killing either themselves or someone else for whatever reason
Would that view extend to voluntary euthanasia too or would you far rather seriously ill people continue their torture and live a wretched life of intolerable pain rather than seek early release from the inevitable?
In some cases, it should be more a celebration rather than being described as a sad day...
The fact that someone may choose euthanasia (and I do support voluntary euthanasia) does not make their death any less tragic....in many cases it may even make it more so.
The point is Raoul Moat's death was as unnecessary as that of his victims... the gloating and the celebration of it displayed here and elsewhere is both sickening and pathetic

15 Jul 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
the gloating and the celebration of it displayed here and elsewhere is both sickening and pathetic

Do you include the Facebook comments as well, labeling him a hero?

15 Jul 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
the gloating and the celebration of it displayed here and elsewhere is both sickening and pathetic

Do you include the Facebook comments as well, labeling him a hero?
That's a different issue...but I am less than impressed by it
The point is Raoul Moat's death was as unnecessary as that of his victims....you missed that bit off....I don't usually mind a little editing but yours in this case did change the thrust of my argument...tut tut naughty kenty

15 Jul 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
the gloating and the celebration of it displayed here and elsewhere is both sickening and pathetic

Do you include the Facebook comments as well, labeling him a hero?
That's a different issue...but I am less than impressed by it
The point is Raoul Moat's death was as unnecessary as that of his victims....you missed that bit off....I don't usually mind a little editing but yours in this case did change the thrust of my argument...tut tut naughty kenty
I agree that Moat's death was as unnecessary as that of his victims, the major difference being that he had a choice in the matter.

15 Jul 2010

He did indeed have a choice Max....it does seem a shame that there was no-one available to help him make the right ones when he needed them

15 Jul 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
He did indeed have a choice Max....it does seem a shame that there was no-one available to help him make the right ones when he needed them

Seems to me that the lack of people available to help make the right decisions was down to his own behaviour.
I will save all my sympathy for his victims.

15 Jul 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
He did indeed have a choice Max....it does seem a shame that there was no-one available to help him make the right ones when he needed them

Why is it that you cannot accept it was him and him alone, responsible for HIS actions.
Why do people shift the blame onto to someone else?
The actions he took over his life were made by him and him alone.
He was a bully and a cold bloodied murderer, and he alone pulled the trigger, nobody else is responsible...........period.

15 Jul 2010

And why can you not accept that I'm fully aware of both his nature and responsibilities but still feel a degree of compassion is the appropriate response.....as I've said before we make choices based on our experience....what kind of life must anyone brought to Moats' position have led ? as I said a degree of compassion. And an attempt at understanding just might help prevent such tragedies happening again.....but it's so much easier to fulminate about how evil he was isn't it ? and so much more satisfying to think yourself in some way different to him and those like him....so rage on and watch the news..there'll be another along soon

15 Jul 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
He did indeed have a choice Max....it does seem a shame that there was no-one available to help him make the right ones when he needed them

Why is it that you cannot accept it was him and him alone, responsible for HIS actions.
Why do people shift the blame onto to someone else?
The actions he took over his life were made by him and him alone.
He was a bully and a cold bloodied murderer, and he alone pulled the trigger, nobody else is responsible...........period.
I see both sides of this debate and have sympathy's with both sides.
Humans are strange beings
I have mentioned this before in another context, but before I was born my anti married a man. They lived with my grandparents, during an argument he shot my anti with a shotgun he then walked across a Field and turned the gun on himself.
When I read the the report of the inquest, the thing that really struck me was after he shot my grans Daughter, dead, my gran then wrestled with him and the gun to try and stop him from shooting himself. Not sure I would have reacted the same way. I think I would have helped him with loading the next round!

15 Jul 2010

Instead of showing compassion for a man who is a murderer, a thug and a drug dealer, show a bit of compassion for the addicts he sold his drugs too, or the man he shot dead in cold blood. Also whilst we are at it a fecking lot of compassion for the police officer who was blinded and will never see his kids grow up.
Compassion for Moat...save it for the people that really matter in all of this, and he is certainly not one of them.
And people ask why so many people left tributes on a Facebook page for him loon

15 Jul 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Instead of showing compassion for a man who is a murderer, a thug and a drug dealer, show a bit of compassion for the addicts he sold his drugs too, or the man he shot dead in cold blood. Also whilst we are at it a fecking lot of compassion for the police officer who was blinded and will never see his kids grow up.
Compassion for Moat...save it for the people that really matter in all of this, and he is certainly not one of them.
And people ask why so many people left tributes on a Facebook page for him

I have no compassion for him but do for his family members

15 Jul 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009
I have no compassion for him but do for his family members

That is a completely different matter Blue.
But that is not what the thread is about.
People always want to play the " pass the buck game ". No buck to pass here and IF I have read the reports right, even his Mother said " your better off dead "
Does not show that much for the man/thug..........does it?

15 Jul 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Instead of showing compassion for a man who is a murderer, a thug and a drug dealer, show a bit of compassion for the addicts he sold his drugs too, or the man he shot dead in cold blood. Also whilst we are at it a fecking lot of compassion for the police officer who was blinded and will never see his kids grow up.
Compassion for Moat...save it for the people that really matter in all of this, and he is certainly not one of them.
And people ask why so many people left tributes on a Facebook page for him

Why do you assume I don't have any sympathy with any of these ??

15 Jul 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Instead of showing compassion for a man who is a murderer, a thug and a drug dealer, show a bit of compassion for the addicts he sold his drugs too, or the man he shot dead in cold blood. Also whilst we are at it a fecking lot of compassion for the police officer who was blinded and will never see his kids grow up.
Compassion for Moat...save it for the people that really matter in all of this, and he is certainly not one of them.
And people ask why so many people left tributes on a Facebook page for him

I'm not sure I can summon up much sympathy for addicts. They all chose to take those drugs - and I'm pretty sure every single one of them knew that they were addictive. Ok it's hard ot get off them - that being the definition of addiction. And I have a huge respect for those who manage to get off them. But for getting there in the first place? I don't think so.

15 Jul 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
I have no compassion for him but do for his family members

That is a completely different matter Blue.
But that is not what the thread is about.
People always want to play the " pass the buck game ". No buck to pass here and IF I have read the reports right, even his Mother said " your better off dead "
Does not show that much for the man/thug..........does it?
Says quite a lot about the kind of mother he had

15 Jul 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
I have no compassion for him but do for his family members

That is a completely different matter Blue.
But that is not what the thread is about.
People always want to play the " pass the buck game ". No buck to pass here and IF I have read the reports right, even his Mother said " your better off dead "
Does not show that much for the man/thug..........does it?
I have only read this thread concerning this man. To me, seems more like a grieving mother - one who is probably feeling utter horror and disbelief that her child has committed such actions. I cannot comprehend how she feels at the loss of her child as well as living with a huge media audience delving into their lives
Yet her child is still dead. I feel for her - we all think or say things in grief we don't mean.

15 Jul 2010

Quote by anais
we all think or say things in grief we don't mean

No not all.
We do not know her, only her words, how we take them is up to us. But lets be fair here, after reading about the things this guy has done in his life, hardly things for any parent to be proud of.
Plus her comment was said BEFORE he had died, so hardly a grief statement.

15 Jul 2010

Quote by foxylady2209
Instead of showing compassion for a man who is a murderer, a thug and a drug dealer, show a bit of compassion for the addicts he sold his drugs too, or the man he shot dead in cold blood. Also whilst we are at it a fecking lot of compassion for the police officer who was blinded and will never see his kids grow up.
Compassion for Moat...save it for the people that really matter in all of this, and he is certainly not one of them.
And people ask why so many people left tributes on a Facebook page for him

I'm not sure I can summon up much sympathy for addicts. They all chose to take those drugs - and I'm pretty sure every single one of them knew that they were addictive. Ok it's hard ot get off them - that being the definition of addiction. And I have a huge respect for those who manage to get off them. But for getting there in the first place? I don't think so.
Couldn't agree more Foxy :thumbup:

15 Jul 2010

No dealers.....no addicts.
He was the dealer.

15 Jul 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
we all think or say things in grief we don't mean

No not all.
We do not know her, only her words, how we take them is up to us. But lets be fair here, after reading about the things this guy has done in his life, hardly things for any parent to be proud of.
Plus her comment was said BEFORE he had died, so hardly a grief statement.
Maybe it would be better if Anais had said that we all have the capacity when emotionally affected by something to say and do things we normally wouldn't. But you are right here 777 even through grief we have choice.
There is far too much store in finding a reason for every action when sometimes we should say enough is enough. In Moats case I think there is enough arguement to say he was a loony and deserves no pity. Yes i feel for his mother losing a child if I can detach myself from that child being Moat. As for his brother I'm going to go out on a limb here and say I believe he is milking this as far as he can. Whether he is getting a handout from the tabloids or whether he just loves the attention, I can't blame him if the dollars are dangling in front of him but I dont like what he says.

15 Jul 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
we all think or say things in grief we don't mean

No not all.
We do not know her, only her words, how we take them is up to us. But lets be fair here, after reading about the things this guy has done in his life, hardly things for any parent to be proud of.
Plus her comment was said BEFORE he had died, so hardly a grief statement.
Perhaps grief

16 Jul 2010

Quote by Lost
we all think or say things in grief we don't mean

No not all.
We do not know her, only her words, how we take them is up to us. But lets be fair here, after reading about the things this guy has done in his life, hardly things for any parent to be proud of.
Plus her comment was said BEFORE he had died, so hardly a grief statement.
Maybe it would be better if Anais had said that we all have the capacity when emotionally affected by something to say and do things we normally wouldn't. But you are right here 777 even through grief we have choice.
There is far too much store in finding a reason for every action when sometimes we should say enough is enough. In Moats case I think there is enough arguement to say he was a loony and deserves no pity. Yes i feel for his mother losing a child if I can detach myself from that child being Moat. As for his brother I'm going to go out on a limb here and say I believe he is milking this as far as he can. Whether he is getting a handout from the tabloids or whether he just loves the attention, I can't blame him if the dollars are dangling in front of him but I dont like what he says.
This is what his mother is quoted as having said: "I feel like he hasn’t been my son since he was 19 years old. He now has a totally different character, attitude and manner. Now when I see him I don’t recognise him at all. He would be better off dead. If I was to make an appeal I would say he would be better dead"
According to her, they had had very little contact for 18 years and on one of the last times she saw him, he turned up on her doorstep and threatened her " It was like he was not my real son. He did not want anything to do with me. He put his two fingers pointing to me like a gun.”
If there's any grief, it seems to be for the son she lost 18 years ago.
As for his brother, I agree with you completely Lost. It would appear that they had had very little contact over the years and he was conspicuous by his absence during the police hunt for Moat. I didn't see him making any sort of appeal for Moat to give himself up.

16 Jul 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
The quality of mercy is not strained.
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest:
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes.
Tis mightiest in the mightiest; it becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown.
His scepter shows the force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty,
Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings.
But mercy is above this sceptered sway;
It is enthroned in the hearts of kings;
It is an attribute of God himself;
And earthly power doth then show like God's
When mercy seasons justice.

why dont you take this evangelising cr++ door to door or stand in town centre for us to have a laugh?

16 Jul 2010

This is soooo bang on the money.

Just take a look at the young Mother who started the Facebook page.
Fag in hand...unemployed nobody. Getting her benefits every week.
Typical of the low life morons who posted on her site.....the comments on there are mainly from youngish people seeing how they use their text language to talk as too lazy to spell things properly.
Thankfully most young people are not like this, but 38 thousand morons did post, and that is such a sad indictment now of our society.

16 Jul 2010

Quote by annejohn
snip...
why dont you take this evangelising cr++ door to door or stand in town centre for us to have a laugh?

Some people are clearly more cultured than others...
There is never anything wrong in quotes from poetry and there is certainly no excuse to "have a larf" at people who have the ability to do so.

16 Jul 2010

Quote by GnV
snip...
why dont you take this evangelising cr++ door to door or stand in town centre for us to have a laugh?

Some people are clearly more cultured than others...
There is never anything wrong in quotes from poetry and there is certainly no excuse to "have a larf" at people who have the ability to do so.
Some people fear what they do not understand ;-)

16 Jul 2010

How very true Steve...
Fear not, dear friend, but freely live your days
Though lesser lives should suffer. Such am I,
A lesser life, that what is his of sky
Gladly would give for you, and what of praise.
Step, without trouble, down the sunlit ways.
We that have touched your raiment, are made whole
From all the selfish cankers of man's soul,
And we would see you happy, dear, or die.
Therefore be brave, and therefore, dear, be free;
Try all things resolutely, till the best,
Out of all lesser betters, you shall find;
And we, who have learned greatness from you, we,
Your lovers, with a still, contented mind,
See you well anchored in some port of rest.
Robert Louis Stevenson

16 Jul 2010

doesn`t make it any less evangelising cr++