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2 May 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
Ah the Socialist mind is alive and kicking in skint Britain....funnily enough skint because of a Socialist Government whose biggest financial contributor, is a union hell bent on destroying their members jobs.
Ah the joys of belonging to a union whose sole aim is to use bully boy tactics against employers, to destroy that business, but using the old union adage of..... "we are doing it for our members and their long term futures ". Yeah right.
The last time any of my workers went on strike? Hmmmmm.........never.
None of my staff are union people. They do a job of work that I pay them to do. They get four weeks paid leave, they get paid if they are off sick, and I even let them smoke in my unit. Now I cannot say fairer than that.
Oh and I pay them above average wage for a job that pays average wages, and funnily enough they enjoy working their.
I also have a HUGE sign on the wall outlining the current employment laws, which I adhere too!
I wonder sometimes with attitudes of some of the union members out there, why they do not put their big militant gobs where there balls are, and instead of moaning about employers....become one.
Then see if the very attitudes they have towards employers remain the same when they are one. But some dogs have no bollocks, but are all bark and no bite!
Unions......not worth the monthly subs!

Besides the law about smoking in the workplace you mean?
I've been an employer, and I've been a shop steward.

2 May 2010

From your threads the only position you seem to have never done is be PM!
Been everywhere and done everything.....there used to be a tv programme on the telly about people like that.
If you WAS an employer and your not now, either as a guess it was hard work or you went skint?
My business is going fine. I have very good employees who enjoy working there.
I wonder when BA lay off staff as their financial state becomes impossible, how those same employees will feel when they trudge down to the dole office?
Unions.....short term gain for long term losses.
I for one hope that if they do decide to strike at BA, that the company does go bust.
It's a long walk to sign on!

2 May 2010

so how did those employment laws get there again ??

2 May 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
From your threads the only position you seem to have never done is be PM!
Been everywhere and done everything.....there used to be a tv programme on the telly about people like that.
If you WAS an employer and your not now, either as a guess it was hard work or you went skint?
My business is going fine. I have very good employees who enjoy working there.
I wonder when BA lay off staff as their financial state becomes impossible, how those same employees will feel when they trudge down to the dole office?
Unions.....short term gain for long term losses.
I for one hope that if they do decide to strike at BA, that the company does go bust.
It's a long walk to sign on!

Oooooo, you're very catty.
I haven't been everywhere. I haven't done everything.
I have been an employer. Snide chippiness from you doesn;t change that, and I don;t have to explain myself to you. You need to lay off the ad hominem attacks Kenty. If you spent less time doing special pleading because of what you know, and less time making personal attacks, this forum would be more fun.

2 May 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
One question .....this big sign with employment laws......where did they come from ??

HMSO?

2 May 2010

but where did they come from these employment laws ???

2 May 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
but where did they come from these employment laws ???

I'm going to hazard a guess at Tolpuddle dunno

2 May 2010

Quote by awayman
From your threads the only position you seem to have never done is be PM!
Been everywhere and done everything.....there used to be a tv programme on the telly about people like that.
If you WAS an employer and your not now, either as a guess it was hard work or you went skint?
My business is going fine. I have very good employees who enjoy working there.
I wonder when BA lay off staff as their financial state becomes impossible, how those same employees will feel when they trudge down to the dole office?
Unions.....short term gain for long term losses.
I for one hope that if they do decide to strike at BA, that the company does go bust.
It's a long walk to sign on!

Oooooo, you're very catty.
I haven't been everywhere. I haven't done everything.
I have been an employer. Snide chippiness from you doesn;t change that, and I don;t have to explain myself to you. You need to lay off the ad hominem attacks Kenty. If you spent less time doing special pleading because of what you know, and less time making personal attacks, this forum would be more fun.
If you cannot take it then don't try and dish it out !
But when you make comments like you have then yes you do have to explain yourself.

2 May 2010

I too would like to know how current legislation was founded..... confused

2 May 2010

Quote by kentswingers777

So this would be a prime example of unions short term gains then ?? or does it exemplify their abuse of power ?? shame about the kids though.

3 May 2010

Are these the rules referred to? I spotted them through the window of a smoke filled industrial unit that had a shiny van parked outside?
West Kent Worker Regulations 1810
1. The worker each day will fill lamps, clean chimneys.
2. Each worker will bring a bucket of water and a scuttle of coal for
the daily' session.
3. Make your pens carefully. You whittle nibs to enusure a crisp neat italicised stroke.
4. Men workers may take one evening each week for courting purposes, or
two evenings a week if they go to church regularly.
5. After ten hours in work, the workers may spend the remaining time
reading the Bible or other good books.
6. Women workers who marry or engage in unseemly conduct will be
dismissed.
7. Every worker should lay aside from each pay a goodly sum of this
earnings for his benefit during his declining years so that he will not
become a burden on society.
8. Any worker who; uses liquor in any form, frequents pool or
public halls, or gets shaved in a barber shop will give good reason to
suspect his worth, intention, integrity and honest.
9. The worker who performs his labor faithfully and without fault for
five years will be given an increase of twenty pence per week in his
pay, providing the Board of Workers approves.

3 May 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
From your threads the only position you seem to have never done is be PM!
Been everywhere and done everything.....there used to be a tv programme on the telly about people like that.
If you WAS an employer and your not now, either as a guess it was hard work or you went skint?
My business is going fine. I have very good employees who enjoy working there.
I wonder when BA lay off staff as their financial state becomes impossible, how those same employees will feel when they trudge down to the dole office?
Unions.....short term gain for long term losses.
I for one hope that if they do decide to strike at BA, that the company does go bust.
It's a long walk to sign on!

Oooooo, you're very catty.
I haven't been everywhere. I haven't done everything.
I have been an employer. Snide chippiness from you doesn;t change that, and I don;t have to explain myself to you. You need to lay off the ad hominem attacks Kenty. If you spent less time doing special pleading because of what you know, and less time making personal attacks, this forum would be more fun.
If you cannot take it then don't try and dish it out !
But when you make comments like you have then yes you do have to explain yourself.
Nice to see you making the rules for chat Kenty.
I don't have to explain myself to you, despite your bluster.

3 May 2010

with the amount of people we have playing the system do you not think a scrounger day is in order and more fitting for this present era innocent

naa it wouldn`t work would it they dont need a bank holiday every day is a scroungers bank holiday :doh:

3 May 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
snip

The two best historians I've ever read, Raph Samuels and Gwyn Alf Williams, both stressed the significant role of displaced agricultural labourers in the growth of the mining unions. Rural communities had traditions of natural justice that carried over into the early mining unions because those were the places where the conflict between money and labour was most obvious and most severe.
Funnily enough, there was also a prolonged debate in the nineteenth century over the difference between the deserving and undeserving poor - nothing much changes, eh?

3 May 2010

Quote by awayman
From your threads the only position you seem to have never done is be PM!
Been everywhere and done everything.....there used to be a tv programme on the telly about people like that.
If you WAS an employer and your not now, either as a guess it was hard work or you went skint?
My business is going fine. I have very good employees who enjoy working there.
I wonder when BA lay off staff as their financial state becomes impossible, how those same employees will feel when they trudge down to the dole office?
Unions.....short term gain for long term losses.
I for one hope that if they do decide to strike at BA, that the company does go bust.
It's a long walk to sign on!

Oooooo, you're very catty.
I haven't been everywhere. I haven't done everything.
I have been an employer. Snide chippiness from you doesn;t change that, and I don;t have to explain myself to you. You need to lay off the ad hominem attacks Kenty. If you spent less time doing special pleading because of what you know, and less time making personal attacks, this forum would be more fun.
If you cannot take it then don't try and dish it out !
But when you make comments like you have then yes you do have to explain yourself.
Nice to see you making the rules for chat Kenty.
I don't have to explain myself to you, despite your bluster.
That is twice you have used that statement now.
You stated openly that you had been an employer and a shop steward, a strange combination really as they usually have the complete opposite agendas.
My question was a reasonable one which you obviously do not want to answer for whatever reason.
On that note nothing more to add really.

3 May 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
with the amount of people we have playing the system do you not think a scrounger day is in order and more fitting for this present era

Can you tell me on what basis this claim is made. Other than "the bloke over the road with a bad back and I saw him putting the Xmas tree out for the dustman" of course. Thinking about I don't want headlines out of newspapers highlighting the occasional £50,000 plus fraud either because they are hardly typical.
The facts, should you wish to investigate them, will, I am sure, help you to understand that far from being a thieves paradise the benefit system is actually a bit too complicated and far too many people who should be getting help don't get the help they need.
I suspect opinions may be too entrenched for this post to have any impact but I have a habit of challenging "facts that everybody knows" in case the more open minded are misled.

3 May 2010

Interesting but all lies of course. :sad:

3 May 2010

Quote by Ben_welshminx
with the amount of people we have playing the system do you not think a scrounger day is in order and more fitting for this present era

Can you tell me on what basis this claim is made. Other than "the bloke over the road with a bad back and I saw him putting the Xmas tree out for the dustman" of course. Thinking about I don't want headlines out of newspapers highlighting the occasional £50,000 plus fraud either because they are hardly typical.
The facts, should you wish to investigate them, will, I am sure, help you to understand that far from being a thieves paradise the benefit system is actually a bit too complicated and far too many people who should be getting help don't get the help they need.
I suspect opinions may be too entrenched for this post to have any impact but I have a habit of challenging "facts that everybody knows" in case the more open minded are misled.
one of the company`s i am a director of ben sub contracts private investigation to the DWP we work just within the law to catch benefit cheats and your non existent bad back brigade i think i have a better inside look at it than you think
im not the most literate of people but i know a good business opportunity when i see one and this one has been wonderful under the labour goverment
will probably have to sell if cameron get`s in but hey ho
now what was it you did for a living ben :twisted:

3 May 2010

excuse me for not disclosing this before but i do prefer to keep this sort of thing private as it does make a diffence sometimes wink

3 May 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
with the amount of people we have playing the system do you not think a scrounger day is in order and more fitting for this present era

Can you tell me on what basis this claim is made. Other than "the bloke over the road with a bad back and I saw him putting the Xmas tree out for the dustman" of course. Thinking about I don't want headlines out of newspapers highlighting the occasional £50,000 plus fraud either because they are hardly typical.
The facts, should you wish to investigate them, will, I am sure, help you to understand that far from being a thieves paradise the benefit system is actually a bit too complicated and far too many people who should be getting help don't get the help they need.
I suspect opinions may be too entrenched for this post to have any impact but I have a habit of challenging "facts that everybody knows" in case the more open minded are misled.
one of the company`s i am a director of ben sub contracts private investigation to the DWP we work just within the law to catch benefit cheats and your non existent bad back brigade i think i have a better inside look at it than you think
im not the most literate of people but i know a good business opportunity when i see one and this one has been wonderful under the labour goverment
will probably have to sell if cameron get`s in but hey ho
now what was it you did for a living ben :twisted:
dunno

3 May 2010

So like I thought Rob, no evidence whatsoever. I'm not sure what the waving head things means. Anybody know anything about benefit fraud figures? With the same caveats as before of course.

3 May 2010

Quote by Ben_welshminx
So like I thought Rob, no evidence whatsoever. I'm not sure what the waving head things means. Anybody know anything about benefit fraud figures? With the same caveats as before of course.

of course ben your right im sure you prefer it this way

id did wonder how so many got on sh but here`s the proof

3 May 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
So like I thought Rob, no evidence whatsoever. I'm not sure what the waving head things means. Anybody know anything about benefit fraud figures? With the same caveats as before of course.

according to this report the 2007/8 figure for fraud was 0.7% of the total paidout.

given that i can barely use my mobile phone it was relativly easy to find,
ohhh i wonder if i can find any tax evasion figures?
even better, someone comparing benifit fraud and tax evasion figures, this new fangled internet is a wonderful place for learning isnt it?

Benefit fraud is estimated to have cost taxpayers £800 million in the period 2006/7.
Still mere peanuts I suppose in the wider scheme.
It almost seems that because the figures are just so small, it is hardly worth getting a sweat up over it.
What is 800 million quid eh?
Buy a few hospitals and the staff to fund them maybe?
Or would help communities achieve things they cannot afford at the moment.
Have you any idea what they kind of money can buy?
Still as it is such a small ammount of money, best to just let people get away with it then.

3 May 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
So like I thought Rob, no evidence whatsoever. I'm not sure what the waving head things means. Anybody know anything about benefit fraud figures? With the same caveats as before of course.

according to this report the 2007/8 figure for fraud was 0.7% of the total paid out.

given that i can barely use my mobile phone it was relativly easy to find,
ohhh i wonder if i can find any tax evasion figures?
even better, someone comparing benifit fraud and tax evasion figures, this new fangled internet is a wonderful place for learning isnt it?

used to be my favorite quote "you got to earn tax to avoid tax so some will always feel left out " my accountant :twisted:
i forgot the tax man recently offered anyone with offshore funds the release of funds for a 10% tax :eeek:

3 May 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
So like I thought Rob, no evidence whatsoever. I'm not sure what the waving head things means. Anybody know anything about benefit fraud figures? With the same caveats as before of course.

according to this report the 2007/8 figure for fraud was 0.7% of the total paid out.

given that i can barely use my mobile phone it was relativly easy to find,
ohhh i wonder if i can find any tax evasion figures?
even better, someone comparing benifit fraud and tax evasion figures, this new fangled internet is a wonderful place for learning isnt it?

A bit of a strange analogy.
I would say there is a hell of a lot more people who pay tax, than those who are on benefits?
That being the case IF the same ammount as a percentage was applied of course the actual ammounts would be much higher surely?
The vast majority of the millions of workers are PAYE, so do not know how they can cheat the figures. Yes there will always be the people who cheat any system,as an employer with a good accountant I claim back what I can. My home computer which cost a few bob I claimed the VAT back....still has to be some benefits to being a boss. lol

3 May 2010

Because as a taxpayer and seeing how hard my staff work, I get fecking pissed off when I hear about people scrounging the system with their " bad back syndromes ".
Not a case of can't work, but won't work.
At least the " other " party will do something about that.
Any money stolen by benefit scroungers is money taken from the taxpayer, of which I am one which gives me and my fellow taxpayers a say in such matters.
As often as we like.

3 May 2010

The demise of the unions perhaps?

3 May 2010

So in summary we agree that the benfit fraud issue is almost so insignificant as to be irrlelevant?

3 May 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
The demise of the unions perhaps?

That remains to be seen,do you want a graph of Tory party support throughout the years ??