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Well I for one will not be celebrating May day for this reason.
I bet the Labour activists will be having a party today, but from their awful showings in the polls, and the prospect of defeat next week, I would have thought celebrating anything would have been the last thing on their minds.
Come on you Liberals.
I bet the Labour activists will be having a party today, but from their awful showings in the polls, and the prospect of defeat next week, I would have thought celebrating anything would have been the last thing on their minds.
Come on you Liberals.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Well I for one will not be celebrating May day for this reason.
I bet the Labour activists will be having a party today, but from their awful showings in the polls, and the prospect of defeat next week, I would have thought celebrating anything would have been the last thing on their minds.
Come on you Liberals.
This is not about the fucking Labour party
When you're slagging off socialism and the trades unions, remember that without them you and with very few exceptions everyone on here would be may be worth a look at the hidden history of British and world societies to see what has been sacrificed to get your standard of living and freedoms.
Have a little respect ffs
Sex God
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Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Well I for one will not be celebrating May day for this reason.
I bet the Labour activists will be having a party today, but from their awful showings in the polls, and the prospect of defeat next week, I would have thought celebrating anything would have been the last thing on their minds.
Come on you Liberals.
This is not about the fucking Labour party
When you're slagging off socialism and the trades unions, remember that without them you and with very few exceptions everyone on here would be fucked.It may be worth a look at the hidden history of British and world societies to see what has been sacrificed to get your standard of living and freedoms.
Have a little respect ffs
I do not do Socialism and I certainly do not do trade unions.
Your opinion may well be we would all be " fucked " as you so aptly put it. I would say the miners were " fucked " because they were part of a union.
The unions were once great powerful institutions and were much needed, then they became greedy money grabbers who were not interested in their members, only their own PR's.
Thatcher smashed the unions as they tried to smash Britain in the 70's and 80's, she won they lost.
Now the Unions are starting up again BA being a classic example.
I have my opinions on Labour day and I will not be celebrating any of it, that is my prerogative to do so.
I think a huge ammount of people were and still are sick to the back teeth of unions holding the country to ransom, be it over their holidays or their journeys to work.
No union has ever had my money nor ever will.
You are obviously a staunch supporter of the trade union movement, and I am not.
Differences my friend, as for respect....respect for who exactly?
Sex God
For your heritage
Maybe I should start a collection fund.
Oppression? By whom to who?
Mind you though I never see a poor union leader, and whilst his members are out on strike getting strike pay they still get carried around in their big Jaguars collecting their salaries, which in many cases is more than the PM.
I remember the great days of the 70's and 80's when a shop steward would scream " EVERYBODY OUT " at a whim. Concerned not about their members, but about bringing down Governments, Ted Heaths to be precise. That is how powerful they became. I never want to go back to those dark days of union powers. They won't as Thatcher saw to that one with the secret ballots, and the closing of the medievil union shop floor policies. I bet the TUC loved those new laws as they could not dictate anymore to their members exactly what to do.
Yeah lets celebrate those days.
By oppression you mean those nasty men who pay the wages? How dreadful of them for even thinking about becoming a boss....no bosses NO workers........no bosses NO wages........simples.
Or shall all bosses split their profits with their workers, well it's only fair. :twisted:
We have decent employment laws now to protect the workers, and the unions have about as much power as the NUM.
The miners and the print unions who were the worst are mere figments of the past now, were the ones constantly trying to wield their swords, but the mighty have fallen and are no more.
Cheers Mags.
Oppression? By whom to who?
Mind you though I never see a poor union leader, and whilst his members are out on strike getting strike pay they still get carried around in their big Jaguars collecting their salaries, which in many cases is more than the PM.
I remember the great days of the 70's and 80's when a shop steward would scream " EVERYBODY OUT " at a whim. Concerned not about their members, but about bringing down Governments, Ted Heaths to be precise. That is how powerful they became. I never want to go back to those dark days of union powers. They won't as Thatcher saw to that one with the secret ballots, and the closing of the medievil union shop floor policies. I bet the TUC loved those new laws as they could not dictate anymore to their members exactly what to do.
Yeah lets celebrate those days.
By oppression you mean those nasty men who pay the wages? How dreadful of them for even thinking about becoming a boss....no bosses NO workers........no bosses NO wages........simples.
Or shall all bosses split their profits with their workers, well it's only fair. :twisted:
We have decent employment laws now to protect the workers, and the unions have about as much power as the NUM.
The miners and the print unions who were the worst are mere figments of the past now, were the ones constantly trying to wield their swords, but the mighty have fallen and are no more.
Cheers Mags.
Quote by kentswingers777
Maybe I should start a collection fund.
Oppression? By whom to who?
Mind you though I never see a poor union leader, and whilst his members are out on strike getting strike pay they still get carried around in their big Jaguars collecting their salaries, which in many cases is more than the PM.
I remember the great days of the 70's and 80's when a shop steward would scream " EVERYBODY OUT " at a whim. Concerned not about their members, but about bringing down Governments, Ted Heaths to be precise. That is how powerful they became. I never want to go back to those dark days of union powers. They won't as Thatcher saw to that one with the secret ballots, and the closing of the medievil union shop floor policies. I bet the TUC loved those new laws as they could not dictate anymore to their members exactly what to do.
Yeah lets celebrate those days.
By oppression you mean those nasty men who pay the wages? How dreadful of them for even thinking about becoming a boss....no bosses NO workers........no bosses NO wages........simples.
Or shall all bosses split their profits with their workers, well it's only fair. :twisted:
We have decent employment laws now to protect the workers, and the unions have about as much power as the NUM.
The miners and the print unions who were the worst are mere figments of the past now, were the ones constantly trying to wield their swords, but the mighty have fallen and are no more.
Cheers Mags.
Why are you talking to yourself...are you MAD?
Sex God
We rarely hear, it has been said, of the combination of masters, though frequently of those of workmen. But whoever imagines, upon this account, that masters rarely combine, is as ignorant of the world as of the subject. Masters are always and everywhere in a sort of tacit, but constant and uniform combination, not to raise the wages of labor above their actual rate
When workers combine, masters ... never cease to call aloud for the assistance of the civil magistrate, and the rigorous execution of those laws which have been enacted with so much severity against the combination of servants, laborers, and journeymen...Adam Smith
"If it were possible for the working classes, by combining among themselves, to raise or keep up the general rate of wages, it needs hardly be said that this would be a thing not to be punished, but to be welcomed and rejoiced at. Unfortunately the effect is quite beyond attainment by such means. The multitudes who compose the working class are too numerous and too widely scattered to combine at all, much more to combine effectually. If they could do so, they might doubtless succeed in diminishing the hours of labour, and obtaining the same wages for less work. They would also have a limited power of obtaining, by combination, an increase of general wages at the expense of profits."...John Stuart Mill
Apologies for the lazy cut'n'pasta
When workers combine, masters ... never cease to call aloud for the assistance of the civil magistrate, and the rigorous execution of those laws which have been enacted with so much severity against the combination of servants, laborers, and journeymen...Adam Smith
"If it were possible for the working classes, by combining among themselves, to raise or keep up the general rate of wages, it needs hardly be said that this would be a thing not to be punished, but to be welcomed and rejoiced at. Unfortunately the effect is quite beyond attainment by such means. The multitudes who compose the working class are too numerous and too widely scattered to combine at all, much more to combine effectually. If they could do so, they might doubtless succeed in diminishing the hours of labour, and obtaining the same wages for less work. They would also have a limited power of obtaining, by combination, an increase of general wages at the expense of profits."...John Stuart Mill
Apologies for the lazy cut'n'pasta
Sex God
Quote by flower411
There was me thinking that May Day was a traditional pagan festival that was hijacked 120 years ago (give or take) by a bunch of malcontents.
It`s a time for celebration !! The Earth is waking again, the sap is rising ...
Sod the petty squabbles of mankind and celebrate the coming of Summer :bounce:
:thumbup:
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
No I think this is what we are talking about.
Nice to see you supporting the struggle
The really sad thing abut your insistence that trade union history boils down to Thatcher and Scargill, is that you fail to see who history has proved to be right,you fail to see the struggle and suffering of thousands of ordinary men women and families trying to save their communities and jobs, essentially you fail
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
No I think this is what we are talking about.
Nice to see you supporting the struggle
The really sad thing abut your insistence that trade union history boils down to Thatcher and Scargill, is that you fail to see who history has proved to be right,you fail to see the struggle and suffering of thousands of ordinary men women and families trying to save their communities and jobs, essentially you fail
I stand to be corrected, but as a whole country the mine's were working at a loss, Mr Scargill wanted higher wages, some thing had to give. If a business is not viable you can not continue to subsidise it.
Sex God
Quote by Bluefish2009
No I think this is what we are talking about.
Nice to see you supporting the struggle
The really sad thing abut your insistence that trade union history boils down to Thatcher and Scargill, is that you fail to see who history has proved to be right,you fail to see the struggle and suffering of thousands of ordinary men women and families trying to save their communities and jobs, essentially you fail
I stand to be corrected, but as a whole country the mine's were working at a loss, Mr Scargill wanted higher wages, some thing had to give. If a business is not viable you can not continue to subsidise it.
The majority of imported coal was heavily subsidised by the respective governments....Thatcher refused to allow the British mining industry to compete on a level playing field...the strike was in the main about pit closures not wages....Scargill told us that the tories would decimate british industry ...he was right...Thatcher claimed 'rationalisation' she was lying and effectively ended the British coal mining industry closing productive and profitable pits along the way.
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
No I think this is what we are talking about.
Nice to see you supporting the struggle
The really sad thing abut your insistence that trade union history boils down to Thatcher and Scargill, is that you fail to see who history has proved to be right,you fail to see the struggle and suffering of thousands of ordinary men women and families trying to save their communities and jobs, essentially you fail
I stand to be corrected, but as a whole country the mine's were working at a loss, Mr Scargill wanted higher wages, some thing had to give. If a business is not viable you can not continue to subsidise it.
The majority of imported coal was heavily subsidised by the respective governments....Thatcher refused to allow the British mining industry to compete on a level playing field...the strike was in the main about pit closures not wages....Scargill told us that the tories would decimate british industry ...he was right...Thatcher claimed 'rationalisation' she was lying and effectively ended the British coal mining industry closing productive and profitable pits along the way.
So she refused to subsidise, with tax payers money, an industry that could not compete.
Very sad for the employee's but, to me, fully understandable.
Sex God
Quote by Bluefish2009
No I think this is what we are talking about.
Nice to see you supporting the struggle
The really sad thing abut your insistence that trade union history boils down to Thatcher and Scargill, is that you fail to see who history has proved to be right,you fail to see the struggle and suffering of thousands of ordinary men women and families trying to save their communities and jobs, essentially you fail
I stand to be corrected, but as a whole country the mine's were working at a loss, Mr Scargill wanted higher wages, some thing had to give. If a business is not viable you can not continue to subsidise it.
The majority of imported coal was heavily subsidised by the respective governments....Thatcher refused to allow the British mining industry to compete on a level playing field...the strike was in the main about pit closures not wages....Scargill told us that the tories would decimate british industry ...he was right...Thatcher claimed 'rationalisation' she was lying and effectively ended the British coal mining industry closing productive and profitable pits along the way.
So she refused to subsidise, with tax payers money, an industry that could not compete.
Very sad for the employee's but, to me, fully understandable.
She was however happy to pay soooooooo much more in dole money....go figure (to use an americanism)
To quote gulson follow the money trail
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
No I think this is what we are talking about.
Nice to see you supporting the struggle
The really sad thing abut your insistence that trade union history boils down to Thatcher and Scargill, is that you fail to see who history has proved to be right,you fail to see the struggle and suffering of thousands of ordinary men women and families trying to save their communities and jobs, essentially you fail
I stand to be corrected, but as a whole country the mine's were working at a loss, Mr Scargill wanted higher wages, some thing had to give. If a business is not viable you can not continue to subsidise it.
The majority of imported coal was heavily subsidised by the respective governments....Thatcher refused to allow the British mining industry to compete on a level playing field...the strike was in the main about pit closures not wages....Scargill told us that the tories would decimate british industry ...he was right...Thatcher claimed 'rationalisation' she was lying and effectively ended the British coal mining industry closing productive and profitable pits along the way.
So she refused to subsidise, with tax payers money, an industry that could not compete.
Very sad for the employee's but, to me, fully understandable.
She was however happy to pay soooooooo much more in dole money....go figure (to use an americanism)
To quote gulson follow the money trail
Well, that was madness
Sex God
No it was pure fucking evil......destroyed millions to fill the pockets of a small group of already wealthy friends
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
No it was pure fucking evil......destroyed millions to fill the pockets of a small group of already wealthy friends
Well, for me I can not condone either
Sex God
does labour day count if most of the guys that work for me are digging the old lawn out my garden so that i may lay a new lawn 
:dunno:
they are giving up their weekend for a fried breakie and free beer :cheers:
:dunno:they are giving up their weekend for a fried breakie and free beer :cheers:
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
No it was pure fucking evil......destroyed millions to fill the pockets of a small group of already wealthy friends
Incidentally, the biggest brake on the growth of open cast mining was the fact that deep mined coal was so much more environmentally friendly and had a much more developed transport infrastructure.
Since the deep pits closed there have been two massive new open cast developments within miles of here on the Blagdon Estates owned by the Ridley family. Every day hundreds of trucks charge up and down our roads carrying coal from vulture pits that have no rail infrastructure, despite the southern boundary of one of them being the East Coast Main Line.
Yes, that Ridley family. The one which had Nicholas Ridley writing plans for the future of nationalized industries on Thatcher's behalf, and which supplied the halfwit who was Chairman of Northern Rock when it went bust.
By their deeds shall you know them.
Sex God
I'm confused so can someone else please clarify a couple of things I hold to be true:
1) History does actually extend further than the 60's?
2) The unions grew out of the exploitation of workers in mills etc and in part, were responsible for founding the labour laws that have already been mentioned?
For the people who made a stand against exploitation and who suffered poverty and extreme hardships to bring about some kind of fairness and safety to the workplace, I thank them.
1) History does actually extend further than the 60's?
2) The unions grew out of the exploitation of workers in mills etc and in part, were responsible for founding the labour laws that have already been mentioned?
For the people who made a stand against exploitation and who suffered poverty and extreme hardships to bring about some kind of fairness and safety to the workplace, I thank them.
Quote by easy
I'm confused so can someone else please clarify a couple of things I hold to be true:
1) History does actually extend further than the 60's?
2) The unions grew out of the exploitation of workers in mills etc and in part, were responsible for founding the labour laws that have already been mentioned?
For the people who made a stand against exploitation and who suffered poverty and extreme hardships to bring about some kind of fairness and safety to the workplace, I thank them.
Not everyone here does irony as neatly and tidily as you easy.
Thank goodness that day is over with!
Now all we have to wait for is the next strike to celebrate, and that will not be far away..
Maybe as one of those " nasty rich " bosses, I should get my staff in on bank holiday Monday....flat rate of course.
I call for a bosses day to celebrate, you know the struggles we go to, to make sure the company has work for it's staff. The worry of making sure the staff have their wages on time.
The struggles of being a boss day it can be called.
Happy bank holiday to all, but as a boss I will be in work, making sure my underpaid staff have work for Tuesday !
Now all we have to wait for is the next strike to celebrate, and that will not be far away..
Maybe as one of those " nasty rich " bosses, I should get my staff in on bank holiday Monday....flat rate of course.
I call for a bosses day to celebrate, you know the struggles we go to, to make sure the company has work for it's staff. The worry of making sure the staff have their wages on time.
The struggles of being a boss day it can be called.
Happy bank holiday to all, but as a boss I will be in work, making sure my underpaid staff have work for Tuesday !
Quote by kentswingers777
Thank goodness that day is over with!
Now all we have to wait for is the next strike to celebrate, and that will not be far away..
Maybe as one of those " nasty rich " bosses, I should get my staff in on bank holiday Monday....flat rate of course.
I call for a bosses day to celebrate, you know the struggles we go to, to make sure the company has work for it's staff. The worry of making sure the staff have their wages on time.
The struggles of being a boss day it can be called.
Happy bank holiday to all, but as a boss I will be in work, making sure my underpaid staff have work for Tuesday !
You make your bed, you lie in it.....
When did your workers last go on strike Kenty?
Ah the Socialist mind is alive and kicking in skint Britain....funnily enough skint because of a Socialist Government whose biggest financial contributor, is a union hell bent on destroying their members jobs.
Ah the joys of belonging to a union whose sole aim is to use bully boy tactics against employers, to destroy that business, but using the old union adage of..... "we are doing it for our members and their long term futures ". Yeah right.
The last time any of my workers went on strike? Hmmmmm.........never.
None of my staff are union people. They do a job of work that I pay them to do. They get four weeks paid leave, they get paid if they are off sick, and I even let them smoke in my unit. Now I cannot say fairer than that.
Oh and I pay them above average wage for a job that pays average wages, and funnily enough they enjoy working their.
I also have a HUGE sign on the wall outlining the current employment laws, which I adhere too!
I wonder sometimes with attitudes of some of the union members out there, why they do not put their big militant gobs where there balls are, and instead of moaning about employers....become one.
Then see if the very attitudes they have towards employers remain the same when they are one. But some dogs have no bollocks, but are all bark and no bite!
Unions......not worth the monthly subs!
Ah the joys of belonging to a union whose sole aim is to use bully boy tactics against employers, to destroy that business, but using the old union adage of..... "we are doing it for our members and their long term futures ". Yeah right.
The last time any of my workers went on strike? Hmmmmm.........never.
None of my staff are union people. They do a job of work that I pay them to do. They get four weeks paid leave, they get paid if they are off sick, and I even let them smoke in my unit. Now I cannot say fairer than that.
Oh and I pay them above average wage for a job that pays average wages, and funnily enough they enjoy working their.
I also have a HUGE sign on the wall outlining the current employment laws, which I adhere too!
I wonder sometimes with attitudes of some of the union members out there, why they do not put their big militant gobs where there balls are, and instead of moaning about employers....become one.
Then see if the very attitudes they have towards employers remain the same when they are one. But some dogs have no bollocks, but are all bark and no bite!
Unions......not worth the monthly subs!
Sex God
One question .....this big sign with employment laws......where did they come from ??
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
One question .....this big sign with employment laws......where did they come from ??
Out of the top draw on the left :twisted:
