this level of military operation, land sea and air has been months in the planning. we are now aware that the s.a.s. have been on the ground, that a "rebel" fighter was shot down, an american bomber had "mechanical failure" and crashed. its pilots rescued and the rescuing helicopter opened up on civilians, that gadaffi straffing his own was a lie, that journalists being used as human shields was a lie, that gadaffi was on his way to venezuala, on his way to zibawi were lies, that the rebels are supported by al ciaquader. ffs, the first casualty of war is truth. just a note, the tunisian govt forces did open fire on civilians, the police in egypt did, the yemenis and saudis are and so are the bahrainians.
this is not about humanitarian protection of civilians. its about stealing oil and natural resources and imposing another PRO western stooge in control. the chaos in the middle east is a pre cursor to an attack on iran, the prevention of russia, china and india from obtaining those resources and the beginning of world war 111. stop believing everything you read in the papers or see on telivision and start thinking critically. mark these words. this is the one.
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Military intervention in Libya
Quote by gulsonroad30664
this level of military operation, land sea and air has been months in the planning. we are now aware that the s.a.s. have been on the ground, that a "rebel" fighter was shot down, an american bomber had "mechanical failure" and crashed. its pilots rescued and the rescuing helicopter opened up on civilians, that gadaffi straffing his own was a lie, that journalists being used as human shields was a lie, that gadaffi was on his way to venezuala, on his way to zibawi were lies, that the rebels are supported by al ciaquader. ffs, the first casualty of war is truth. just a note, the tunisian govt forces did open fire on civilians, the police in egypt did, the yemenis and saudis are and so are the bahrainians.
this is not about humanitarian protection of civilians. its about stealing oil and natural resources and imposing another PRO western stooge in control. the chaos in the middle east is a pre cursor to an attack on iran, the prevention of russia, china and india from obtaining those resources and the beginning of world war 111. stop believing everything you read in the papers or see on telivision and start thinking critically. mark these words. this is the one.
Is that the Royal "we" you are using Gulson, as I am certainly not aware of all the things mentioned in your post.
You say the first casualty of war is truth, it's certainly a casualty in all of your posts.
Sex God
Quote by Lizaleanrob
have a look at the pie map it should give a good idea as to the invasion hit list for the UK and the US over the next decade or so
At least when the USA invade Mexico it will save on transportation costs :lol2:
Quote by gulsonroad30664
an american bomber had "mechanical failure" and crashed.
Firstly, it was not a bomber that went down, to be more specific, it was a Boeing F-15E Strike Eagle (serial number 91-0304) which was a fighter aircraft serving with the 492 Fighter Squadron, based at RAF Lakenheath, in Suffolk.
Secondly, I am assuming from the comment of "mechanical failure", you are doubting that this is what caused the aircraft to crash, and maybe possibly hinting that it may have been subject to attack. If you were to study photographs of the aircraft,then it would show that much of the fuselage is intact, which suggests that it was not struck by armament.
A thought entered my head today as I was supping my evening pastis on the terrace watching the sun go down...
and I know I'm going get some grief from this..
but consider this nice little enterprise...
You sell some serious weaponry to a middle eastern dictator. Nice little earner!
You then decide that you're short of a few bob so you then get a few "friends" to give you a bit of backing and you get "legitimacy" to bomb the fuck out of them and destroy all the weaponry you sold them. You then support the new up and coming regime so you can sell them another lot to replace the stuff you sold first time round but "disabled" in the cause for saving civilians.
Does this sound familiar somehow?
Or am I a ... well, you decide
and I know I'm going get some grief from this..
but consider this nice little enterprise...
You sell some serious weaponry to a middle eastern dictator. Nice little earner!
You then decide that you're short of a few bob so you then get a few "friends" to give you a bit of backing and you get "legitimacy" to bomb the fuck out of them and destroy all the weaponry you sold them. You then support the new up and coming regime so you can sell them another lot to replace the stuff you sold first time round but "disabled" in the cause for saving civilians.
Does this sound familiar somehow?
Or am I a ... well, you decide
Sex God
GnV
As the late and great Bill Hicks said, wait until the cheque clears before you start
As the late and great Bill Hicks said, wait until the cheque clears before you start
Sex God
Quote by GnV
GnV
As the late and great Bill Hicks said, wait until the cheque clears before you start
Even that's no guarantee these days
GnV,
You think their Cheque bounced and that's why they went in, to do a 'repo' job ?
:lol:
So then, the World Police set weapons of mass destruction on the Libyan regime whilst they control people in their own Country in order to resist an uprising yet the London Metropolitan Police won't arrest people breaking into banks and trashing shops stealing their contents because it might cause a riot 
They stand idly by (as witnessed on SkyNews) whilst people fling ammonia filled light bulbs at them, spray paint all over their vehicles, throw smoke bombs and use sticks to break windows!
What's wrong with getting the biggest ugliest Officers available with big night sticks beating the crap out of these people, pulling off their masks and then breaking their legs?
When they complain that the need an ambulance, tell them it's too dangerous to put Health Service staff at risk and leave them to bleed to death or in agony on the pavement till it all calms down.
Why is it that we can go in hard with Gaddifi but we pussy around with our own version of non-peaceful anarchist demonstrators?
Wouldn't happen in Paris! The CRS would have beating the crap out of them as soon as they left the official route!!
They stand idly by (as witnessed on SkyNews) whilst people fling ammonia filled light bulbs at them, spray paint all over their vehicles, throw smoke bombs and use sticks to break windows!
What's wrong with getting the biggest ugliest Officers available with big night sticks beating the crap out of these people, pulling off their masks and then breaking their legs?
When they complain that the need an ambulance, tell them it's too dangerous to put Health Service staff at risk and leave them to bleed to death or in agony on the pavement till it all calms down.
Why is it that we can go in hard with Gaddifi but we pussy around with our own version of non-peaceful anarchist demonstrators?
Wouldn't happen in Paris! The CRS would have beating the crap out of them as soon as they left the official route!!
Sex God
Quote by GnV
So then, the World Police set weapons of mass destruction on the Libyan regime whilst they control people in their own Country in order to resist an uprising yet the London Metropolitan Police won't arrest people breaking into banks and trashing shops stealing their contents because it might cause a riot
They stand idly by (as witnessed on SkyNews) whilst people fling ammonia filled light bulbs at them, spray paint all over their vehicles, throw smoke bombs and use sticks to break windows!
What's wrong with getting the biggest ugliest Officers available with big night sticks beating the crap out of these people, pulling off their masks and then breaking their legs?
When they complain that the need an ambulance, tell them it's too dangerous to put Health Service staff at risk and leave them to bleed to death or in agony on the pavement till it all calms down.
Why is it that we can go in hard with Gaddifi but we pussy around with our own version of non-peaceful anarchist demonstrators?
Wouldn't happen in Paris! The CRS would have beating the crap out of them as soon as they left the official route!!
there's nothing like the civilised local government workers protesting against cuts GNV
Quote by GnV
So then, the World Police set weapons of mass destruction on the Libyan regime whilst they control people in their own Country in order to resist an uprising yet the London Metropolitan Police won't arrest people breaking into banks and trashing shops stealing their contents because it might cause a riot
They stand idly by (as witnessed on SkyNews) whilst people fling ammonia filled light bulbs at them, spray paint all over their vehicles, throw smoke bombs and use sticks to break windows!
What's wrong with getting the biggest ugliest Officers available with big night sticks beating the crap out of these people, pulling off their masks and then breaking their legs?
When they complain that the need an ambulance, tell them it's too dangerous to put Health Service staff at risk and leave them to bleed to death or in agony on the pavement till it all calms down.
Why is it that we can go in hard with Gaddifi but we pussy around with our own version of non-peaceful anarchist demonstrators?
Wouldn't happen in Paris! The CRS would have beating the crap out of them as soon as they left the official route!!
Having taken part in many demonstrations all over Europe during the 70s, I can confirm that the CRS, like most policemen are bullies and cowards and not very bright, and when they are confronted by people who are better trained, fitter and brighter than they are, they break down and run for cover. I am proud that on two occasions I was one of those who made them do so.
Sex God
It's simple G....in the modern world this......
Plus riots = 'UN' intervention (those are ironic 's btw)....now whilst I'm one of the first to call for Buck house to be bombed it would be a tragedy if it was the septics doing the bombing
Plus riots = 'UN' intervention (those are ironic 's btw)....now whilst I'm one of the first to call for Buck house to be bombed it would be a tragedy if it was the septics doing the bombing
Sex God
1: You do I assume understand the concept 'joke' flower ??
2:We bomb it = revolution :smile::smile: they bomb it = invasion :cry::cry:
2:We bomb it = revolution :smile::smile: they bomb it = invasion :cry::cry:
Quote by GnVit would happen in paris because like here, the police dont beat up police !
So then, the World Police set weapons of mass destruction on the Libyan regime whilst they control people in their own Country in order to resist an uprising yet the London Metropolitan Police won't arrest people breaking into banks and trashing shops stealing their contents because it might cause a riot
They stand idly by (as witnessed on SkyNews) whilst people fling ammonia filled light bulbs at them, spray paint all over their vehicles, throw smoke bombs and use sticks to break windows!
What's wrong with getting the biggest ugliest Officers available with big night sticks beating the crap out of these people, pulling off their masks and then breaking their legs?
When they complain that the need an ambulance, tell them it's too dangerous to put Health Service staff at risk and leave them to bleed to death or in agony on the pavement till it all calms down.
Why is it that we can go in hard with Gaddifi but we pussy around with our own version of non-peaceful anarchist demonstrators?
Wouldn't happen in Paris! The CRS would have beating the crap out of them as soon as they left the official route!!
Quote by gulsonroad30664
this level of military operation, land sea and air has been months in the planning. we are now aware that the s.a.s. have been on the ground, that a "rebel" fighter was shot down, an american bomber had "mechanical failure" and crashed. its pilots rescued and the rescuing helicopter opened up on civilians, that gadaffi straffing his own was a lie, that journalists being used as human shields was a lie, that gadaffi was on his way to venezuala, on his way to zibawi were lies, that the rebels are supported by al ciaquader. ffs, the first casualty of war is truth. just a note, the tunisian govt forces did open fire on civilians, the police in egypt did, the yemenis and saudis are and so are the bahrainians.
this is not about humanitarian protection of civilians. its about stealing oil and natural resources and imposing another PRO western stooge in control. the chaos in the middle east is a pre cursor to an attack on iran, the prevention of russia, china and india from obtaining those resources and the beginning of world war 111. stop believing everything you read in the papers or see on telivision and start thinking critically. mark these words. this is the one.
The rebels have now entered Tripoli and the end could be soon. Did I miss WWIII or was it not as noisy as expected
Dave_Notts
Sex God
Quote by Dave__Notts
this level of military operation, land sea and air has been months in the planning. we are now aware that the s.a.s. have been on the ground, that a "rebel" fighter was shot down, an american bomber had "mechanical failure" and crashed. its pilots rescued and the rescuing helicopter opened up on civilians, that gadaffi straffing his own was a lie, that journalists being used as human shields was a lie, that gadaffi was on his way to venezuala, on his way to zibawi were lies, that the rebels are supported by al ciaquader. ffs, the first casualty of war is truth. just a note, the tunisian govt forces did open fire on civilians, the police in egypt did, the yemenis and saudis are and so are the bahrainians.
this is not about humanitarian protection of civilians. its about stealing oil and natural resources and imposing another PRO western stooge in control. the chaos in the middle east is a pre cursor to an attack on iran, the prevention of russia, china and india from obtaining those resources and the beginning of world war 111. stop believing everything you read in the papers or see on telivision and start thinking critically. mark these words. this is the one.
The rebels have now entered Tripoli and the end could be soon. Did I miss WWIII or was it not as noisy as expected
Dave_Notts
Dave,
it was known as a little local difficulty
Quote by flower411
If reducing casualties was the motive the UN would be intervening all over the shop but they don`t give a damn where there isn`t any oil !
could not agree more mr flower.
Syria is the clasic example.
civilians are being slaughtered daily yet nobody is doing any thing about it.
mugabee kills peeple daily.
china has huge human rights abuses.
where are the west in these situations?
it is/was/always will be, about the oil!!
Quote by starlightcouple
If reducing casualties was the motive the UN would be intervening all over the shop but they don`t give a damn where there isn`t any oil !
could not agree more mr flower.
Syria is the clasic example.
civilians are being slaughtered daily yet nobody is doing any thing about it.
mugabee kills peeple daily.
china has huge human rights abuses.
where are the west in these situations?
it is/was/always will be, about the oil!!
Is there oil in Bosnia?
Dave_Notts
Sex God
Quote by Dave__Notts
If reducing casualties was the motive the UN would be intervening all over the shop but they don`t give a damn where there isn`t any oil !
could not agree more mr flower.
Syria is the clasic example.
civilians are being slaughtered daily yet nobody is doing any thing about it.
mugabee kills peeple daily.
china has huge human rights abuses.
where are the west in these situations?
it is/was/always will be, about the oil!!
Is there oil in Bosnia?
Dave_Notts
bosnia was the result of blairs ego nothing more
Quote by Lizaleanrob
If reducing casualties was the motive the UN would be intervening all over the shop but they don`t give a damn where there isn`t any oil !
could not agree more mr flower.
Syria is the clasic example.
civilians are being slaughtered daily yet nobody is doing any thing about it.
mugabee kills peeple daily.
china has huge human rights abuses.
where are the west in these situations?
it is/was/always will be, about the oil!!
Is there oil in Bosnia?
Dave_Notts
bosnia was the result of blairs ego nothing more
I think there is a difference between civil unrest (Libya), domestic terrorism (Northern Ireland), political indifference (Kosovo), religious intolerence (Afghanistan), political principle (i.e. the sovereignty of the Fallkland Islands), and the quest for securing oil (Iraq).
Now ultimately there will always be an argument to counter each one of my assertions, and quite frankly who knows who is right - argument is the lifeblood of politics - nevertheless at the end of the day there is always someone who will pay the price for someone else's opnions - invariably with their life.
I am not convinced that Blair, Cameron, Thatcher, Hussain, Mladic, Bin Laden, Galteiri (or anyone else... Mugabe, Amin etc) had solely their own egos at heart - but it would be irresponsible to claim that their egos did not play a part.
The point I am making is that there are always 2 sides to any story and we should not be so keen to condemn Blair (and others) for their egos when Gaddaffi (and others) have egos that make our guys look like amateurs... similarly, President Roosevelt killed more people in 10 seconds that Bin Laden did in his lifetime.
Now... clearly there will be those that jump on the outrage bus claiming that I am comparing the religiously indifferent ideals of Bin Laden to the real strategic warfighting concerns that Roosevelt had to contend with - to those I say get a grip and don't try to find an argument where one doesn't exist.
Put bluntly - what interested have we got in a military intervention in Libya? We had military intervention in Korea, Falklands, Bosnia, Kosovo, Northern Ireland, Afghanistan and Iraq - and what noticeable differnce has it made to your lives?
Oil?.... really - if that was the case then we would have the cheapest oil in the world and not amongst the most expensive.
We will be in Libya for political reasons - not humanitarian, or economic - I don't know what those reasons are since I don't operate in government - but we will be there whether we like it or not.
Sex God
Quote by HimandHer
political principle (i.e. the sovereignty of the Fallkland Islands),
Not really relevant but .... I would suggest that the Falklands conflict had less to do with principle and more with their position in relation to the Antarctic .... and it's potential oil and mineral reserves
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
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Not really relevant but .... I would suggest that the Falklands conflict had less to do with principle and more with their position in relation to the Antarctic .... and it's potential oil and mineral reserves
ah right.
so of course they knew about all that back in 1840 when the British Government made the decision to colonise the Falkland Islands.
i am sure they were looking to dig very deep back then to get all the resources out and back to the UK.
the falklands are part of britain and have been for not far short of 200 years and thatcher simply acted after argentina used aggression to take the falklands by force. it matters not a jot how far away it is. they are a british island. simple to understand.
an aggressor was over thrown. simples.
Quote by Lizaleanrob
If reducing casualties was the motive the UN would be intervening all over the shop but they don`t give a damn where there isn`t any oil !
could not agree more mr flower.
Syria is the clasic example.
civilians are being slaughtered daily yet nobody is doing any thing about it.
mugabee kills peeple daily.
china has huge human rights abuses.
where are the west in these situations?
it is/was/always will be, about the oil!!
Is there oil in Bosnia?
Dave_Notts
bosnia was the result of blairs ego nothing more
Blair wasn't in power when the troops first went in i.e. late 80's early 90's
Dave_Notts
Quote by starlightcouple
b
Not really relevant but .... I would suggest that the Falklands conflict had less to do with principle and more with their position in relation to the Antarctic .... and it's potential oil and mineral reserves
ah right.
so of course they knew about all that back in 1840 when the British Government made the decision to colonise the Falkland Islands.
It was another black fuel store............coal
However, we arn't talking 1840, but 1980..........and we knew then that there was oil under the sea, but didn't have the capability to get it. We fought to keep it so that when the technology arrived we could. Seems like the time is right as the UK are exploring for oil around the Falklands...............or there again, it could all just be a coincidence
Dave_Notts
Quote by Dave__Notts
it is still part of the UK.
and on that basis the UK had every right to take it back from an agressor regardless of what or what is not under the sea.
Who disputed that? The difference of opinion was about oil or no oil.......or at least knowledge of it.
Dave_Notts
pay some atention please mr notts.
Quote by mr staggers
Not really relevant but .... I would suggest that the Falklands conflict had less to do with principle and more with their position in relation to the Antarctic .... and it's potential oil and mineral reserves
the insinuation being...well i am sure you can work that one out from the above coment mr notts.
