The Muslim school advertising for a male only teacher to teach the boys and female only teachers to teach the girls, is this a step backwards for the United Kingdom ?
The school which segregates boys and girls and male and female teachers say that they are allowed to advertise for male or female only posts because the law says they can if they can prove it is necessary, now I understand if you were seeking a wrestling coach or synchronised swimming coach having a male or female tutor might be advantageous but on religious grounds, surely this is a step backwards out of the 21st Century and undoing all the hard work the UK has done to provide equality in the workplace
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If this was a religious school, then possibly ok, you send your kids to a religious school to be taught and indoctrinated in a particular way, it would be acceptable for a Catholic school to advertise and employee staff on the basis of their religion.
For the B'ham schools in the news at the moment, my understanding is that these are state schools and whilst based in predominately Muslim areas, the rules that apply to them should be the rules that apply to every state school in the country, ie comply with UK law . . . . so any sort of discrimination is wrong.
For the B'ham schools in the news at the moment, my understanding is that these are state schools and whilst based in predominately Muslim areas, the rules that apply to them should be the rules that apply to every state school in the country, ie comply with UK law . . . . so any sort of discrimination is wrong.
Yes these are state funded schools so should be abiding by state rules they are not private institutions who perhaps can pick and choose.
They have not stipulated that the teachers being recruited should be of the Muslim faith, perhaps a non muslim would not get the job but that would be only speculation on my part, they have stipulated only that teachers employed for the boys should be male and for the female part of the school the teachers should be female.
Staggered start times, staggered break times, staggered library use times, separate facilities for male and female teachers goes against the common practices of our state schools and to my knowledge is not required by the Koran, merely a preference of those in charge of the school.
If I sent someone to a Catholic or Jewish school I would expect them to be taught the teachings of that religions relative bible but would not expect them to have forced segregation from boys and girls and would expect the school to employ the best teacher available not the one who was the right gender.
I know some schools operate a segregated boy/girl policy in classrooms and even on playgrounds but have never heard of this being extended to prevent any form of male/female contact such as arrival time at the school or use of common facilities such as the school library, I don't think this helps prepare children and older teenagers for life away from school and in the workplace.
People fought for many years for an end to such things as segregation in the workplace, jobs only for men or jobs only for women, the vote for everyone, discrimination based on gender etc and I do think this is a step backwards if allowed to continue, I understand from the news report that they have been told that they must withdraw the current employment advert but have refused to do so, in which case public funding should be stopped immediately.
It is as bad as Religions refusing to ordain females when they cannot produce biblical evidence that this is a requirement of their religion.
Right now British Soldiers are putting their lives on the line to ensure similar things such as no education for females is ended in Muslim Nations like Afghanistan.
I have many posts on here supporting Muslims in the UK and their Religion, but I don't support unjust rules in any aspect of life in any society or religion.
They have not stipulated that the teachers being recruited should be of the Muslim faith, perhaps a non muslim would not get the job but that would be only speculation on my part, they have stipulated only that teachers employed for the boys should be male and for the female part of the school the teachers should be female.
Staggered start times, staggered break times, staggered library use times, separate facilities for male and female teachers goes against the common practices of our state schools and to my knowledge is not required by the Koran, merely a preference of those in charge of the school.
If I sent someone to a Catholic or Jewish school I would expect them to be taught the teachings of that religions relative bible but would not expect them to have forced segregation from boys and girls and would expect the school to employ the best teacher available not the one who was the right gender.
I know some schools operate a segregated boy/girl policy in classrooms and even on playgrounds but have never heard of this being extended to prevent any form of male/female contact such as arrival time at the school or use of common facilities such as the school library, I don't think this helps prepare children and older teenagers for life away from school and in the workplace.
People fought for many years for an end to such things as segregation in the workplace, jobs only for men or jobs only for women, the vote for everyone, discrimination based on gender etc and I do think this is a step backwards if allowed to continue, I understand from the news report that they have been told that they must withdraw the current employment advert but have refused to do so, in which case public funding should be stopped immediately.
It is as bad as Religions refusing to ordain females when they cannot produce biblical evidence that this is a requirement of their religion.
Right now British Soldiers are putting their lives on the line to ensure similar things such as no education for females is ended in Muslim Nations like Afghanistan.
I have many posts on here supporting Muslims in the UK and their Religion, but I don't support unjust rules in any aspect of life in any society or religion.
Warming the Bed
All schools should be secular in my opinion. And yes employing teachers based on their sex due to religious 'needs' is a HUGE backwards step but no different to the nonsense that is carried out in all faith schools up and down the country. Indoctrination is indoctrination, regardless of the source.
I understand what you are saying about indoctrination, but that generally is a parents choice of sending their children to Religion orientated schools and not state policy, we do not make children go to a specific school because of their religion and we never should.
I have nothing against Religious Schools be that Catholic, Jewish, Muslim or Christian schools, personally I never would and never did choose my childrens school on those grounds but that is a personal choice for parents.
I support tolerance in the United Kingdom and therefore believe that we occasionally need to compromise in order to facilitate this, I am old enough to remember a huge row when the wearing of hats as part of bus conductors uniforms became an issue for Sikhs, a compromise was made whereby Sikhs could wear turbans instead of the regulation hat providing it was in the bus companies colours, the same is permitted in the armed forces where Sikhs wear the turban with the Regimental/Corps cap badge and in the Regimental/Corps colours, turbans are part of a Sikhs religious requirements and it is right that they are accepted, I do not feel the same for the face coverings so often discussed at the moment since these are a preference and not a law set down by the Koran.
It is often permitted for members of the Catholic church to wear a cross when all other jewellery is banned at work and was the only item of jewellery permitted in the Army when in uniform during my time of service.
We should never try to impose our rules on other religions or beliefs unless they break UK regulations in the same way that anyone wishing to practice a religion in the United Kingdom should do so within those rules.
Education in the UK is often criticised for not preparing students for life after education and I feel total segregation is an issue in this aspect, therefore we have a duty to ensure this does not happen to this degree and that gender is not a pre-requisite of employment unless absolutely necessary.
I have nothing against Religious Schools be that Catholic, Jewish, Muslim or Christian schools, personally I never would and never did choose my childrens school on those grounds but that is a personal choice for parents.
I support tolerance in the United Kingdom and therefore believe that we occasionally need to compromise in order to facilitate this, I am old enough to remember a huge row when the wearing of hats as part of bus conductors uniforms became an issue for Sikhs, a compromise was made whereby Sikhs could wear turbans instead of the regulation hat providing it was in the bus companies colours, the same is permitted in the armed forces where Sikhs wear the turban with the Regimental/Corps cap badge and in the Regimental/Corps colours, turbans are part of a Sikhs religious requirements and it is right that they are accepted, I do not feel the same for the face coverings so often discussed at the moment since these are a preference and not a law set down by the Koran.
It is often permitted for members of the Catholic church to wear a cross when all other jewellery is banned at work and was the only item of jewellery permitted in the Army when in uniform during my time of service.
We should never try to impose our rules on other religions or beliefs unless they break UK regulations in the same way that anyone wishing to practice a religion in the United Kingdom should do so within those rules.
Education in the UK is often criticised for not preparing students for life after education and I feel total segregation is an issue in this aspect, therefore we have a duty to ensure this does not happen to this degree and that gender is not a pre-requisite of employment unless absolutely necessary.
Warming the Bed
Religion is inherently intolerant. It's a man-made construction and deserves no more sensitivity or consideration than any other personal foible. Don't get me wrong, I respect the right for anyone to believe what ever they choose to. But it is a choice. Just don't expect me to respect the belief or the silly rituals/conventions that religion 'requires'. Religion and state should be separate. This includes education.
