My Tram Experience Video

5 Dec 2011

Quote by Mr-Powers
Poland surrendered, so the Poles no longer had to fight. These people decided/chose to fight for Britain. They were fed, clothed, paid by Britain to protect us not their homeland. They had a choice, and they choose to fight for Britain, in our uniform and with our munitions.
Dave_Notts

Poland didn't surrender, they retreated! Eventually making it to their allies, us, so yes they did have a good reason for fighting, yes they played a major part in the battle of britain but they were not just doing it for us Brits. We should be no more thankful to them as they should be to us.
This is where we will differ Powers. The country of Poland ceased to exist by October 1939. The Government ran away so may not have formally surrendered but they were not in their own country as it was no longer one entity. It was split between Germany and the USSR. They did not need to surrender, they were conquered.
The refugees were then stateless and no need to fight. They chose to fight and helped prevent the invasion of Britain. Without the Poles, French, Norwegians, Dutch, etc that fought for us then it could have been a different story...........but dependant on which historans view you read, this is debateable. One interesting view point is that it was more to do with geography and inadequate amphibious equipment why Britain was not invaded.
Your opinion is that we should be no more thankful to them, but my opinion is that of Rememberance Sunday when I do with a lot of the population. I note the wreaths and poppies of those nationalities that fought along side and for us. That was in our hour of need then, and it could be also in the future.
Dave_Notts

5 Dec 2011

Quote by starlightcouple
should they not be more thankful to us
i meen i know i am not that great at history but even i know we went to war against germany because they invaded poland of whom we had a pact with..
without us poland would have been crushed forever.

i think they should be much more grateful to us!

Not really Star. We went to war for the invasion of Poland, then by 1945 we handed Poland over to the USSR. They were handed from one dictatorship to another. So why should they be grateful? Can you not remember the Katyn massacre from your history lessons?
The reason Britain went to war was to upkeep Polands Sovereignty...........and it never was. So we helped defeat Germany but did not achieve our aims. Therefore, in part, the Second World war was a failure for Britain.

Quote by starlightcouple
that is what happensd when the history of the second world war is not taught in schools. :thumbup:

Read the comment under the audio link. It says what I say. So it shows that the history taught in my school was right. You may need to check yours
Dave_Notts

5 Dec 2011

nothing wrong at all with my history mr notts.
" Germany invaded Poland in the early morning hours of 1 September 1939. The British Cabinet met late that morning and issued a warning to Germany that unless it withdrew from Polish territory, Britain would carry out its obligations to Poland " . and we did.
i cannot understand what part of this speech you have failed to grasp mr is about as cleer and precise as it can be.
" I am speaking to you from the Cabinet Room of 10 Downing Street. This morning the British Ambassador in Berlin handed the German government a final note, stating that unless we heard from them - by 11 o'clock - that they were prepared at once to withdraw their troops from Poland, a state of war would exist between us. I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received and that, consequently, this country is at war with Germany".

we that is us the uk and the british peeple went to war on the basis that germany would not withdraw its toops from POLAND.
I fail to understand how anyone cannot see why we went to war. to help defend poland with the pact that both us and france had with them.
history is history and is there for all to see. google is your best friend.

5 Dec 2011

Read your posts back Star . You agreed with Powers about Poland not surrendering and suggested I didn't listen to history at school. Even your own link states they surrendered :doh:
Try to remember what you write
Dave_Notts

5 Dec 2011

Quote by Dave__Notts
Read your posts back Star . You agreed with Powers about Poland not surrendering and suggested I didn't listen to history at school. Even your own link states they surrendered :doh:
Try to remember what you write
Dave_Notts

is that what i reely wrote? i certainly think not mr notts.
my points were purely about why should we be grateful to poland as it was us that went to war on there behalf because of the pact we had with them. one of us is getting things a bit mixed up and i never said not once about poland surrendering. poland was no different to most of europe who surrendered but that was not the point of the debate. flipa

5 Dec 2011

Personaly, I do not hold persons from any country, in any higher or lower regard, weather they were allies or foe.
On rememberance day I spare a thought for ALL who died on all sides

5 Dec 2011

Quote by Bluefish2009
Personaly, I do not hold persons from any country, in any higher or lower regard, weather they were allies or foe.

The politics of Germany were shown in the war trials that their political system was wrong. I didn't say that German people were bad and Poles good.
Rememberance Sunday is for all fallen of all nationalities.
Dave_Notts

5 Dec 2011

Quote by starlightcouple
is that what i reely wrote? i certainly think not mr notts.

You are right on this point. You did not say they did not surrender. I miss-read the quotes.

Quote by starlightcouple
my points were purely about why should we be grateful to poland as it was us that went to war on there behalf because of the pact we had with them. one of us is getting things a bit mixed up and i never said not once about poland surrendering. poland was no different to most of europe who surrendered but that was not the point of the debate.

On this point however we went to war because of the invasion and to uphold their sovereignty........in this we failed as a nation. So the Poles have no need to be thankful to us. We didn't deliver. However, they helped prevent the invasion that could have led to our defeat.
Dave_Notts

5 Dec 2011

Quote by Dave__Notts
Personaly, I do not hold persons from any country, in any higher or lower regard, weather they were allies or foe.

The politics of Germany were shown in the war trials that their political system was wrong. I didn't say that German people were bad and Poles good.
Rememberance Sunday is for all fallen of all nationalities.
Dave_Notts:thumbup:

5 Dec 2011

Quote by starlightcouple
is that what i reely wrote? i certainly think not mr notts.

Quote by Dave_Notts
You are right on this point. You did not say they did not surrender. I miss-read the quotes.

i will take your appology then, oh sorry that was one

Quote by Dave_Notts
Try to remember what you write

seems i did. others it seem did not. :notes:

6 Dec 2011

Incredibly sad - the whole bloody thing. I'm p****d off after looking at it. What's even sadder is that it's not the only crap thing that thousands of peeps will encounter on their way home today. Too many nutters about in all walks of life - but we'll always have a minority (even if it gets bigger as we grow as a population).
I wonder what was going through the kids mind? Poor sod.