So what do you think of that then?
apparently it has been mooted by one of the main political parties to have a form of non-military national service.
Michael Caine has put his name to the idea... but of course, we must remember that we should only blow the bloody doors off.
so, good/bad idea?
I have no details, nor links. Just the idea.
lp
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Quote by __random_orbit__
So what do you think of that then?
apparently it has been mooted by one of the main political parties to have a form of non-military national service.
Michael Caine has put his name to the idea... but of course, we must remember that we should only blow the bloody doors off.
so, good/bad idea?
I have no details, nor links. Just the idea.
lp
Not a lot people know that....
Sex God
if its the same as national service then yes i would work wonders regards fighting with and for the guy next to you regardless 
Sex God
What's the point of National Service without the marching, spit and polish, gun drill and such like?
What will they do? Hike up Snowdon and clear a few OAP's gardens? They ceratinly won't be allowed to take real work off real workers. If they could we could get prisoners to clear ditches and such like.
Without the tough regime, insistence on personal hygeine, unifrom care, strict discipline backed up by physical punishments it isn't going to teach them much.
What will they do? Hike up Snowdon and clear a few OAP's gardens? They ceratinly won't be allowed to take real work off real workers. If they could we could get prisoners to clear ditches and such like.
Without the tough regime, insistence on personal hygeine, unifrom care, strict discipline backed up by physical punishments it isn't going to teach them much.
Maybe it will be a tough regime, I know not. It's only proposed to be siw weeks.
Of course, financially I'm not sure of the workings, as there will obviously not be the benefits of having the cannon fodder at the end of the 'Service', but I believe it is thought that the cost will be wieghed against a potential drop in crime and anti-social behaviour etc etc etc.
By the way, I'm not trying to sell this idea, just wondering what peoples thoughts were.
lp
Of course, financially I'm not sure of the workings, as there will obviously not be the benefits of having the cannon fodder at the end of the 'Service', but I believe it is thought that the cost will be wieghed against a potential drop in crime and anti-social behaviour etc etc etc.
By the way, I'm not trying to sell this idea, just wondering what peoples thoughts were.
lp
I think it's a brilliant idea and have been advocating such a move for many years.
Organised like National Service but not a military organisation.
2 Years service but there can be exemptions - ie
If you are in full time education (and attending classes) your exempt.
If you are in full time employment - your exempt.
Other "needs" for such an organisation would be
Training - it is an ideal chance to teach people trades.
Age - there could be different sections for young and older people.
Education - a chance for people to improve thier 3 R's.
The service is not needed to hike up Snowdon or help old ladies with it's gardens, but it could train people to operate the Green Goddess fire engines which work equally proficiently at pumping water out of flooded areas as they do at pumping water onto fires.
Assisting in the fighting of forrest fires.
First aid relief in the event of dissasters.
Helping in flood situations.
Assisting in the evactuation of areas.
Assisting in emergency food distribution.
Setting up temporary refugee camps when evacuation is necessary.
Operating light machinery such as generators for use in emergency situations.
Driving evacuation buses, supply vehicles in the event of an emergency.
Assistance with camps for people awaiting asylum or imigration decisions.
There are no doubt many things in which a non-military, unarmed service could benefit the country and many ways in which they can be trained.
As others have said, a military style training regime would benefit our youth, drill, respect, pride, teamwork, self esteem, character building, educational skills, trades are some of the things military training is renowned for not just for training fighting men.
The idea is certainly worth discussion, polishing and consideration.
But not as a punishment.
Organised like National Service but not a military organisation.
2 Years service but there can be exemptions - ie
If you are in full time education (and attending classes) your exempt.
If you are in full time employment - your exempt.
Other "needs" for such an organisation would be
Training - it is an ideal chance to teach people trades.
Age - there could be different sections for young and older people.
Education - a chance for people to improve thier 3 R's.
The service is not needed to hike up Snowdon or help old ladies with it's gardens, but it could train people to operate the Green Goddess fire engines which work equally proficiently at pumping water out of flooded areas as they do at pumping water onto fires.
Assisting in the fighting of forrest fires.
First aid relief in the event of dissasters.
Helping in flood situations.
Assisting in the evactuation of areas.
Assisting in emergency food distribution.
Setting up temporary refugee camps when evacuation is necessary.
Operating light machinery such as generators for use in emergency situations.
Driving evacuation buses, supply vehicles in the event of an emergency.
Assistance with camps for people awaiting asylum or imigration decisions.
There are no doubt many things in which a non-military, unarmed service could benefit the country and many ways in which they can be trained.
As others have said, a military style training regime would benefit our youth, drill, respect, pride, teamwork, self esteem, character building, educational skills, trades are some of the things military training is renowned for not just for training fighting men.
The idea is certainly worth discussion, polishing and consideration.
But not as a punishment.
Sex God
Quote by Ben_welshminx
I like the sound of that too. If u exclude the employed and the educated its just like a workhouse except you dont have to build any workhouses.
lets face it ben they would have 2 choices if they didn`y like the idea
1:get a job
2:get an education
Warming the Bed
There are too many things wrong with this although in some way I'd like community spirit and pride that a "military/ structured" organisation brings.
Where do you house or group the people?
Who funds it?
Who mans it, admin/teaching/instructing/maintanence?
I'm against national service or a conscription of any kind for the forces, some of the kinds of things quoted on this thread were included in the CCRF for TA(until the focus changed and moved onto training to support continuing ops), you arent going to get community spirited(sarcasum mode off) people signing up to a home guard type affair for emergancies......again funding.
I dont like the idea of education being available to "them"(general term and not derogatory) in terms of 3r's, vocational, or trade...school and FE is there already why duplicate it and why offer it if "they" turn it down the first time round?
Scouts/brownies, Army Cadets, Air training core, Naval equivalent are all dotted about but need parents nudging their kids into something other than out the door and onto the street because they cant be arsed bothering inputting alittle effort engaging with their sprogs.
Instill some self worth early on.....I also note the lack of decent open spaces for kids locally.
I might not post much but when I do it vomits out of my fingers so to speak......feel free toignore if you think I'm talking bollocks.
Where do you house or group the people?
Who funds it?
Who mans it, admin/teaching/instructing/maintanence?
I'm against national service or a conscription of any kind for the forces, some of the kinds of things quoted on this thread were included in the CCRF for TA(until the focus changed and moved onto training to support continuing ops), you arent going to get community spirited(sarcasum mode off) people signing up to a home guard type affair for emergancies......again funding.
I dont like the idea of education being available to "them"(general term and not derogatory) in terms of 3r's, vocational, or trade...school and FE is there already why duplicate it and why offer it if "they" turn it down the first time round?
Scouts/brownies, Army Cadets, Air training core, Naval equivalent are all dotted about but need parents nudging their kids into something other than out the door and onto the street because they cant be arsed bothering inputting alittle effort engaging with their sprogs.
Instill some self worth early on.....I also note the lack of decent open spaces for kids locally.
I might not post much but when I do it vomits out of my fingers so to speak......feel free toignore if you think I'm talking bollocks.
Sex God
Quote by Kaznkev
I like the sound of that too. If u exclude the employed and the educated its just like a workhouse except you dont have to build any workhouses.
lets face it ben they would have 2 choices if they didn`y like the idea
1:get a job
2:get an education
thats the problem tho isnt it,Neets are not going to be helped by this,they need far more support to engage,and i dont see why old people will be happy with someone who is being forced to be there coming to mow the lawn.
If it was universal there might be some point,in terms of cutting acros class clevages.
ok respectfully :why should all the kids who`s mums`/dad`s ect who spent so much invested time in... have to do this when they have earned a perfectly legit place in college
i believe kids are like dogs as a rule you start with a blank canvas :
invest in your children and you invest in their future stay in study make uni...... piss off out as one of the crowd who needs an education when i can drink smash up the neighborhood
parents shape and guide kids class has nothing to do with it
last time i looked the minorities where getting better grades because of better parenting simple is my point
It's just another way of getting jobs done at low cost.
Green Goddess fire appliances pumping water ?
When new they had the delivery rate about 5% of one of the appliances we have now...you can hire better pumps from a tool hire shop.
Put someone on a digger ?
Minor training problem: As in they need it and you have to provide it.
I consider the idea as one advocated by those with more money than sense, and those who resent paying the going rate for skilled labour...so we'll run a "civic" scheme where convicts do the plumbing for free and those receiving the service donate to the party that loathes skilled workers with a passion, and unions even more so.
Green Goddess fire appliances pumping water ?
When new they had the delivery rate about 5% of one of the appliances we have now...you can hire better pumps from a tool hire shop.
Put someone on a digger ?
Minor training problem: As in they need it and you have to provide it.
I consider the idea as one advocated by those with more money than sense, and those who resent paying the going rate for skilled labour...so we'll run a "civic" scheme where convicts do the plumbing for free and those receiving the service donate to the party that loathes skilled workers with a passion, and unions even more so.
this is in effect economic genocide at work. a class of people rise to prominence through their skills and set about eradicating other competing elements. except they aren't killed outright' just left to exist on a crap diet, and occupied with drugs, violence, ill health etc. in the hope that they will simply cease to breed.
Sex God
the only prob i can see is its voluntary
make it compulsary i say
fab idea
had it been in force when i was a kid i would of rebeled like crazy admitedly but yet overall i think it would of done me good
make it compulsary i say
fab idea
had it been in force when i was a kid i would of rebeled like crazy admitedly but yet overall i think it would of done me good
IMO, Caine's association with the Tory party prompts an end of 'The Italian Job' scenario that features David Cameron lying on the floor at the far end of the (british) bus that is finely balanced over the abyss and spluttering those famous last words to his gang,ie the british public,
Look lads, I've got an idea....erm...erm..............
Look lads, I've got an idea....erm...erm..............
