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Normal TV, HD TV, 3D TV, or wait for Super HDTV

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So the shops are predicting a significant rise in sales of 3D TV sets in the run up to Christmas and early next year as more and more 3D sets are produced at more affordable (debateable) prices.
Interesting when the broadcasters have just about completed the migration of normal TV from analog to digital system, never mind getting more people to 'adopt' HD TV.
Now comes the news that the BBC and NHK (Japan) have just successfully started tested Super HD TV (16 times sharper than HDTV via a 7680-by-4320 pixel signal rather than the usual 1920 by 1080 pixels)
Oh the test ?
It was a BBC recorded gig by The Charlatans being sent to Japan and watched by spectators in the UK on a 103-inch plasma television and in Japan on one significantly larger.
(For fans in the UK eager to hear the set, it will be rebroadcast on Thursday 30 September 6Music)
Given that one of the aims is for it to be used on giant public viewing screens, potentially in place for the 2012 Olympics, it can't be too long after that before manufacturers are selling sets for the home capable of this new 'standard'.
So the question is
- stay with normal TV
- upgrade normal TV to HDTV and upgrade to Super HDTV
- stay with HDTV for now and then jump to Super HDTV
- spend on 3D TV and spend again for Super HDTV
or any other combinations, all at your significant expense no doubt.
What about super HD 3D TV lol Thats bound to be on the way as well.
Its all a load of codswallup or most of it anyway. As mentioned before in the cafe forum with the current brand of HD TV's you are only getting a nominally better picture than you did on a state of the art TV 7 years ago. Thats all down to the digital signal that is actually inferior to the analog signal. You only had digital so they can pipe you more channels. In Japan they have had HD tv for 10 years or so I think in main stream use and they have analog HD which is far superior to digital HD.
I will go the way I always do, wait til its all at least 3 years old then buy it or wiat 3 years then buy a used flagship model. Sony normally make very good flagship models so pick one of those up after 3 years.
One other thing to look at is what is worth buying? TV manufacturers are already bringing out TV's with higher specifications on some things like contrast ratios that are more than the eye can see. They only do this so their TV has the biggest number or cock :lol: so they get more sales.
I really shouldn't get going on this subject as it annoy me quite a bit.
A large part of my job revolves around TV technology and such gubbins and have spent many years dealing with the quality of productions etc. etc.
Pure HD footage, well shot and well lit is gorgeous. this is then handed to broadcasters who compress the shit out of it to get squeeze it into the bandwidth allowance (imagine trying to get an elephant down a hosepipe). I often sit at home swearing at the telly as i see programmes like The Blue Planet descend into a pixelated mess as the compression systems try (and fail) miserably to cope with sea spray and waves. We get a really shit deal with HDTV in the UK- they can't even agree on what constitutes 'HDTV" FFS rolleyes i can think of at least a dozen different HD standards from 720 to 1440 or 1080 all shot in progressive or interlaced then conformed and buggered about with to fit the channel its getting broadcast or rebroadcast on...and for this they charge a premium :doh:. It's true to say that a good SD quality transmission wipes the floor against most of the digital broadcasts.
As for the 8K transmission the OP mentioned, the Japs were playing with this about 3 years ago. i was chatting with one of the top Panasonic bods about it back then but the main problems with it was the bandwidth requirements which needed an seriously good FO network system and secondly the cost of the screens- a 60" screen was coming in at about £250,000 :shock: (they might be a bit cheaper now)
Anyway, i'm sure the japs with sort it out and have it running in the not too distant, by which time our broadcasters might have got to the point of not shooting 2/3rds of their shows in SD :roll:
i shall depart before i rant all night
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So the question is
- stay with normal TV
- upgrade normal TV to HDTV and upgrade to Super HDTV
- stay with HDTV for now and then jump to Super HDTV
- spend on 3D TV and spend again for Super HDTV

What a situation you find yourself in eh? lol
I currently have HD and pay additional cost to Sky for that. Most programmes there is hardly a difference, but the footie is better. So on balance I would say it was worth the extra cost per month, but only just.
Whatever one upgrades to it will be obsolete rather quickly.
If I was looking at the moment I would say the 3D is just a gimmick, and I would not want to sit watching my telly with a pair of goggles on. I did go into Comets yesterday and tried the 3D telly with the goggles. Yes it was good but my advice at this moment in time is.....HD telly with obviously an HD box, but get the latest LED tellys. The picture quality is amazing and much better than the standard Plasma or LCD tv's for picture clarity.
I am not that bothered by the new super duper super HDTV's, as I believe it is just another gimmick and until I see for myself, will still say the latest LED tv's are just as good.
What I would say though in passing is.....whatever tv you do buy, make sure you buy a big one, as the whole experience is much better.
The Playstation using Blueray discs is just fantastic on a large tv with a very loud surround sound system, and I do have a very large one.
im sticking with normal tv
i watch so little tv and what i do watch seems fine on the normal tvs we have
i definetly dont want 3d tv because i hate watching tv with those stupid 3d glasses on, they dont sit well on top of my normal glasses and hence dont work right
to be honest i wouldnt be that bothered of i didnt have tv to watch
Just go for an hdtv, why? it is the future of television and there will be no way of getting away from it, quite alot of freeview channels will soon broadcast it...as for 3dtv...nothing but a gimmick, a complete waste of money, they seem to think that just because 3D cinema is a success and thats only because you don't have much of a choice as the 2D version only has limited screenings, leaving the 3D one the only option.
Yeah, ya gotta get HD or in a couple of years you'll be after another new telly. 3D prob a waste of money at this stage though. Just wear your glasses you got when you went to see Avatar hahaha!
Just bought a Panny 3D HDTV, SuperHD wont be used consumer wise for a long time, bandwidth just is not available in the quantities required for it, remember Sky broadcast all of their 'HD' content in less than DVD quality bandwidth already (3-5Mbps MP4) so it's already debatable if any UK broadcaster is broadcasting 'real HD' quality stuff (for comparison Blu-Ray/HD-DVD is 20-50Mbps MP4) and the Vios system in the States (and similar systems in Germany/Far East) broadcast at over 15Mbps, but they have better bandwidth.
The current UK Satellite/OTA (DVB-S2 and DVB-T2) have nothing like the available space in the transmission bandwidth for anything really HD, and yes Astra D is having some more satellite space by launching some more satellites there is still nothing like the required space available.
So I'm afraid for the moment in the UK at least we are stuck with nasty MPEG artefacts in all of our broadcasts, whether they be 'HD' or SD content.... Like broadband, the UK get shafted pretty much constantly when you look at most other industrialised countries.
Back to the point, yes We've got a Panny 3D Telly (Plasma) (uses the RealD system) but we haven't bought the specs cuz there is sodall to watch anyhow!
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Just bought a Panny 3D HDTV, SuperHD wont be used consumer wise for a long time, bandwidth just is not available in the quantities required for it, remember Sky broadcast all of their 'HD' content in less than DVD quality bandwidth already (3-5Mbps MP4) so it's already debatable if any UK broadcaster is broadcasting 'real HD' quality stuff (for comparison Blu-Ray/HD-DVD is 20-50Mbps MP4) and the Vios system in the States (and similar systems in Germany/Far East) broadcast at over 15Mbps, but they have better bandwidth.
The current UK Satellite/OTA (DVB-S2 and DVB-T2) have nothing like the available space in the transmission bandwidth for anything really HD, and yes Astra D is having some more satellite space by launching some more satellites there is still nothing like the required space available.
So I'm afraid for the moment in the UK at least we are stuck with nasty MPEG artefacts in all of our broadcasts, whether they be 'HD' or SD content.... Like broadband, the UK get shafted pretty much constantly when you look at most other industrialised countries.
Back to the point, yes We've got a Panny 3D Telly (Plasma) (uses the RealD system) but we haven't bought the specs cuz there is sodall to watch anyhow!

After all that.............
Do you get a good picture? lol
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Just bought a Panny 3D HDTV, SuperHD wont be used consumer wise for a long time, bandwidth just is not available in the quantities required for it, remember Sky broadcast all of their 'HD' content in less than DVD quality bandwidth already (3-5Mbps MP4) so it's already debatable if any UK broadcaster is broadcasting 'real HD' quality stuff (for comparison Blu-Ray/HD-DVD is 20-50Mbps MP4) and the Vios system in the States (and similar systems in Germany/Far East) broadcast at over 15Mbps, but they have better bandwidth.
The current UK Satellite/OTA (DVB-S2 and DVB-T2) have nothing like the available space in the transmission bandwidth for anything really HD, and yes Astra D is having some more satellite space by launching some more satellites there is still nothing like the required space available.
So I'm afraid for the moment in the UK at least we are stuck with nasty MPEG artefacts in all of our broadcasts, whether they be 'HD' or SD content.... Like broadband, the UK get shafted pretty much constantly when you look at most other industrialised countries.
Back to the point, yes We've got a Panny 3D Telly (Plasma) (uses the RealD system) but we haven't bought the specs cuz there is sodall to watch anyhow!

After all that.............
Do you get a good picture? lol
On terrestrial/satellite its passable, after all it's telly, at the end of the day I dont need Simonon Cowel in any more clarity!
The 360/PS3 however look fab when playing games (360) and Blu-Rays (PS3).... however the one thing everyone on this thread missed is Picture is not even half of the HD Experience. Sound is way more important than the picture, believe it or not, most people can hear a bad telly setup far quicker than they can see one. Get a good sound setup first, and believe me you will notice that much more than a slightly better picture, sound processing is a lot more mature technology than picture processing. Cant wait to move so I can get my 7.1 setup again. At the end of the day (especially with flat screen tv's) the audio quality even on the most expensive tv's is absolute rubbish!
That is why I have a super duper sound system.
It is amazing how many people go out and buy a surround system, where the speakers are rubbish.
Same in a car....they buy a state of the art cd player and then the cheapest speakers.
The quality of picture through the PS3, added with the sound system and the telly, makes for a fantastic watching experience.
I still want one of those new LCD telly's though....now the picture on one of those is just...............WOW.
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That is why I have a super duper sound system.
It is amazing how many people go out and buy a surround system, where the speakers are rubbish.
Same in a car....they buy a state of the art cd player and then the cheapest speakers.
The quality of picture through the PS3, added with the sound system and the telly, makes for a fantastic watching experience.
I still want one of those new LCD telly's though....now the picture on one of those is just...............WOW.

Plasma is the way forward, blacks on em are just soooooooo good! nothing in the LCD/OLED world can beat em.
call me old fashioned but isnt analogue tv on a good crt far superior to standard or even hd digital. Just too much compression. DTV is only good for the broadcasters so they can transmit more channels down a single carrier. More choice of channels but at what cost.
The inportant thing to remember is no matter how much money you spend on a TV, the picture will only be as good as the source signal it receives. For instance, a DVD will look better on a low-end television than an analog broadcast antenna signal will look on a high-end HDTV. That is because the quality of the digital signal sent to the analog set is far superior to the analog signal sent to the digital HDTV.
The other thing is digital sets are more sensitive to weak signal problems
I have to disagree, from experience i find the tuners in a digital tv are less sensitve than a good crt. The digital artifacts, whether it is from sd, hd or dvd detracts from the viewing pleasure. Blue Ray standard is the minimum we should except from what every digital source.
Just done a quick test 32" panny crt on itv analogue aerial vs samsung 32" lcd with ITV HD on a sky HD box connected via hdmi, guess which had the more involving picture quality. The surround from the hd box was far superior but the picture on the panasonic was so vivid and just more exciting.
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I have to disagree, from experience i find the tuners in a digital tv are less sensitve than a good crt. The digital artifacts, whether it is from sd, hd or dvd detracts from the viewing pleasure. Blue Ray standard is the minimum we should except from what every digital source.
Just done a quick test 32" panny crt on itv analogue aerial vs samsung 32" lcd with ITV HD on a sky HD box connected via hdmi, guess which had the more involving picture quality. The surround from the hd box was far superior but the picture on the panasonic was so vivid and just more exciting.

Agreed, nothing in the digital world can make up for Free Aliasing (That's why CRT looks more 'natural'), however a good HD source, at a high bitrate, will still look better than a good analogue signal as there is more visibility of picture, free aliasing will only mask fine detail, so swings an roundabouts.
Still, as I said before, in the UK at least there is no 'real hd' video broadcast on any of the platforms, as even Virgin who are the only company with anything like the bandwidth to do HD buy all of their source material from the other suppliers (Sky/BBC/ITV) and therefore are only going to broadcast what they are given.
However watch a really good Blu-Ray transfer on a good set with good blacks (only Plasma and OLED can do real black remember!) and you will not want to watch SD content ever again... in fact for anyone thinking Sky broadcast in HD get the Blu-Ray of a movie they are showing, and flick between them, you will see how much compression they use, and how 'muddy' things become when there is a lot of single colour in scenes (Dark Knight is a good demo one as it's a very good transfer to Blu-Ray with good VC1 compression)
Er........... a basic answer............
Yes
Personally I don't have a TV, no matter how good a set up you have there's still 1000 channels of crap to watch so why bother?! :crazy: Instead of getting a new TV get an new ironing board instead, a far more practical appliance :smile2:
I bet your a fecking laugh at parties.............. lol
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Personally I don't have a TV, no matter how good a set up you have there's still 1000 channels of crap to watch so why bother?! :crazy: Instead of getting a new TV get an new ironing board instead, a far more practical appliance :smile2:

I have just been bought a new iron...........guess who does it in my house lol
Dave_Notts
i love my new samsung 50" 3d much 3d content yet but more 3d b/r dvd's coming out soon.