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So it seems that way too many people are conning the benefit system, with regard to incapacity benefit.

It has always amazed me how a country that is as fit as it has ever been, has this ammount of people " using " this benefit.
I will be interested to see those who can work, be forced to go back to work, but won't hold me breath.
I think most people are aware that this benefit has been over abbused for years, and now lets hope they are going to do something about it. I am sick and tired of the " bad back " culture we have now.
For a lot of these scroungers it is not a case of can't work, but won't work. Maybe when they have had their medical and they are deemed fit to work, they will see things differently.
Anything that gets lazy scroungers off their arses and into work to pay their way, must be a good thing.
For those that are genuine claimants I am sure they have nothing to fear, but by God I bet there will be many shaking over their breakfasts, sorry that should be lunches by the time they get up, when the letter arrives telling them the date for their medical. lol
did they not say all this before
My firend who has breast cancer tried to claim this benefit and was told sorry you arent ill enough to be able to claim it. Shes now having to appeal against their decision, so what do they classed as ill then to be able to claim the benefit.
The thing is the scrotes know exactly what there doing. They go onto the NHS website, find themselves an ailment and go and rhym off the list of symptoms. Funily enough the ailments they pick can't easily be discredited, ie, back injurys etc. So the doctor has to go off the symptoms that the patient is complaining of.
I see it all the time in work. Idle scrotes on the sick but then you'll see them playing football or breakdancing down town! You then go to the MO (medical officer) and all he say's is there's nothing he can do. He's doing it in his own time. Get him back in work and ask him to do a simple task and out comes his sick chit, "I can't do that I'm on the sick"! You fucking little scrote, I saw you fucking break dancing last night!
Even the link says it.....genuine-tough - NEW-tests....perhaps a change of criteria changes those entitled to the benefit....couldn't possibly be that the Mail wants to portray everyone on any kind of benefit as thieving scum..could it ??..surely not
We need to be careful, if we aint a million people will switch from ill health based benefits to unemployment benefits. That will bugger the figures up for Camerons new deal.
your right kenty, them scrounging banksters have taken all our benefit and future benefit money so we cant fiddle a few quid here and there. oh, and politicians do a good job and should get the odd perk here and there. THEY F£$KING earned it giving away billions to those lying, cheating, theiving bastards and they've got us arguing amonst ourselves over a few quid in benefits while they have run off with billions !
hospitals, ambulance stations, fire stations, schools, libraries, museums, swimming baths and citizens rights centres will close, benefits will be cut and many, many more jobs will be lost. must be the fault of them lazy scrounging bastards next door.
Gulson two wrongs don't make a right.
I am fully aware of the bankers/wankers, and the greedy MP's.
I am also aware of the greedy lying long term useless, who can work, but choose through their own choice not too.
I cannot understand why this has not be tackled seriously before. The welfare system was NEVER intended to be a lifestyle choice which it now has become for thousands.
IF someone is genuinely sick and needs the states help they will get 100% support from me, but I know people on the " sick " who have big flat screen tellys, smoke all day long, and run a bloody car.
Hoe the fuck can they do that? People who work cannot afford to run a car and all that it entails.
The system was not designed to let people run bloody cars on it. It was a means of helping people if they were destitute. People ain;t destitute anymore on the benefit gravy train and the sooner these people are tested to see if they are ill or not, the sooner we can get these skivers back into the work market, and getting out of their pits earlier enough to catch a bus to that dreaded word....work.
Though withought doubt people who are defrauding the benefit system are wrong and also we knoww the banking/accounting sectors are also screwing the system, shouldn't there be a proportionate response. In other words if your going to slap the socially criminal least well off for , and i agree that's fair, then there should be a proportionate response to the low life blood sucking money grabbing bastard snot spewing soul destroying fuck monkeys of financiers. Maybe to have them destroyed in the most vile of ways imaginable (and boy do I have an imagination!)
It's all bullshit and rhetoric lets be honest, do things really change? read on...
the Government has said vaguely that it demands restraint on bosses' bonuses as a condition for the credit to the banks; some bank shareholders, in Northern Rock and Bradford and Bingley, have lost heavily; a few bank bosses have been pushed into resigning.
But on the whole Government-supported or even Government-owned banks are run in just the same way, by the same sort of people, as the pre-crash privately-owned banks.
Ron Sandler, put in by the Government to run Northern Rock, gets £90,000 per month - £1,080,000 per year - actually higher than the £690,000 basic salary of Northern Rock's previous chief executive, Adam Applegarth.
Sandler's deputy, Ann Godbehere, is on £75,000 a month. Meanwhile, Northern Rock workers lose their jobs and Northern Rock mortgage-holders have their homes repossessed.
In Britain today, one child in three grows up in poverty, in a household with less than half the average income. In 1968, the figure was only one in 10.
A few years ago I was claiming incapacity benefit and staying in homeless accomodation...I decided to go to college at which point my incapacity benefit was stopped so was informed i would have to leave the homeless accommodation..But I had nowhere to live so I was put in a ridiculous situation...Stay on benefit and have a roof or go to college(to better my life) and have no roof.......Now I dont know if the swingers who started this post have had any experience of being in such a dire situation or not...I really cant see that they have tho I may be wrong,the point im making is that in some cases (such as mine),there is little incentive to actually get off benefit especially when you are homeless...That said I do see how it can be easy to be so judgmental whilst living in a comfortable house with not much better to do than raise such important topics whilst missing all the points,points,points..
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A few years ago I was claiming incapacity benefit and staying in homeless accomodation...I decided to go to college at which point my incapacity benefit was stopped so was informed i would have to leave the homeless accommodation..But I had nowhere to live so I was put in a ridiculous situation...Stay on benefit and have a roof or go to college(to better my life) and have no roof.......Now I dont know if the swingers who started this post have had any experience of being in such a dire situation or not...I really cant see that they have tho I may be wrong,the point im making is that in some cases (such as mine),there is little incentive to actually get off benefit especially when you are homeless...That said I do see how it can be easy to be so judgmental whilst living in a comfortable house with not much better to do than raise such important topics whilst missing all the points,points,points..

No I have not been in such a " dire situation ". Yes I have spent time out of work.
Also what the heck has me living in a a " comfortable house " got to do with me starting this thread?
I live in that " comfortable house " because I work bloody hard to achieve that. I am sorry that you found yourself in that situation, but do not knock me for my lifestyle that I have worked years to achieve, all because you found yourself in that situation.
It is a fact there are thousands with that " bad back syndrome ", or the other one which is someone who has " other issues " which usually mean in the head. Both are very hard to prove so they pay out on it.
Now I know there are many genuine claimants here, but also thousands of fuckers who could scrounge for England.
IF people are genuine claimants then they have nothing to fear.....have they?
I cannot talk about possible homeless situations like yours, but usually the job centre bends over backwards to help, and if everyone took your attutude, then nobody would ever return to work....but they do.
Becoming homeless through taking another job or going to colledge seems bloody harsh and I do not know the surrounding circumstances to it, I was talking about the people who " claim " to be ill, yet have no problem running at the gym, or playing golf, or fixing someones car, when they say in their application for benefit they can hardly walk, of which there seem to be plenty of people out there doing exactly that.
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It is a fact there are thousands with that " bad back syndrome ", or the other one which is someone who has " other issues " which usually mean in the head. Both are very hard to prove so they pay out on it.

Is there a fact there or simply another rant based on prejudice. One could say that "both are difficult to prove" so small minded egotistical self centred bigots feel free to make groundless assumptions and accusations. And that based on the evidence of the original post is a fact.
Mark, good points well made.
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A few years ago I was claiming incapacity benefit and staying in homeless accomodation...I decided to go to college at which point my incapacity benefit was stopped so was informed i would have to leave the homeless accommodation..But I had nowhere to live so I was put in a ridiculous situation...Stay on benefit and have a roof or go to college(to better my life) and have no roof.......Now I dont know if the swingers who started this post have had any experience of being in such a dire situation or not...I really cant see that they have tho I may be wrong,the point im making is that in some cases (such as mine),there is little incentive to actually get off benefit especially when you are homeless...That said I do see how it can be easy to be so judgmental whilst living in a comfortable house with not much better to do than raise such important topics whilst missing all the points,points,points..

I cannot talk about possible homeless situations like yours, but usually the job centre bends over backwards to help, and if everyone took your attutude, then nobody would ever return to work....but they do.
Oh i did go to college,and then to uni and then to work, and now I too am comfortable....Your thread just struck me as typical of people who do live comfortably but have no real empathy for the situations they wax lyrical about..Im glad went through what i did as it humbled me..not that im suggesting you need humbled.
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It is a fact there are thousands with that " bad back syndrome ", or the other one which is someone who has " other issues " which usually mean in the head. Both are very hard to prove so they pay out on it.

Is there a fact there or simply another rant based on prejudice. One could say that "both are difficult to prove" so small minded egotistical self centred bigots feel free to make groundless assumptions and accusations. And that based on the evidence of the original post is a fact.
Mark, good points well made.
Now how did I know YOU of all people Benny, would come up with a typical rant, about people on the " sick ".
Check the figures now to ten years ago, for numbers on incapacity benefit. As a nation so much more healthy than ever before, YOU explain to me and everyone else why that would be!!
It IS such a massive problem of people signing on the sick, when there is jack shit wrong with them, but in your world everyone deserves to be treated with kid gloves.
The Government and most people see this as a real problem out there, with the numbers that are signing on sick, that are more than capable of working. Funnily enough one of the biggest reasons is a bad back, and the second is mental health issues.
All I am saying is it is a good thing to weed out the scroungers and kick em out to work, anyone that is genuine should get the benefit. Surely even YOU can see the benefit of that, but then again I won't hold me breath.
BTW....how the fuck does that make me a bigot matey??
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Check the figures now to ten years ago, for numbers on incapacity benefit. As a nation so much more healthy than ever before, YOU explain to me and everyone else why that would be!!

Of course....The figures take into account that we as a nation are older (living longer) and the age at which we can retire is higher than it was 10 yrs ago as well...
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I cannot talk about possible homeless situations like yours, but usually the job centre bends over backwards to help, and if everyone took your attutude, then nobody would ever return to work....but they do.

Are you having a laugh 777 rotflmao
People claiming benefits when they are not really entitled does my head in!!! .... my auntie is one of them, apparently she has something wrong with her foot but it doesnt show when she's marching around the shops!!! I was glad when someone shopped her, just a bit gutted that they beat me to it!!!
Even before the 'sore foot' she never worked but she always claimed that she would be worse off if she did and I think that is half of the problem .... people on benefits get so much for nothing so why work?
I have 3 young kids, one of which is severely disabled ... my husband and I both work and always have. My auntie recently suggested that we both give up work as we would probably be better off!!! For us it is not just about money, its about personal pride!!! I know that many people's circumstances can stop them from working but I always think that if we can do it ........
Another thing that pisses me off is that when they are old, all of these lifelong professional benefits claimers will be handed a place in a nursing home whereas I will have to sell my house and hand over my pension to get the same care!!
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I cannot talk about possible homeless situations like yours, but usually the job centre bends over backwards to help, and if everyone took your attutude, then nobody would ever return to work....but they do.

Are you having a laugh 777 rotflmao
I saw that but ignored it as I was sure it must have been a typo :lol2:
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Check the figures now to ten years ago, for numbers on incapacity benefit. As a nation so much more healthy than ever before, YOU explain to me and everyone else why that would be!!

Of course....The figures take into account that we as a nation are older (living longer) and the age at which we can retire is higher than it was 10 yrs ago as well...
Steve what has that got to do with anything?
If people are living longer that means there are many more " older " people...right? They usually are past retirement age where this benefit does not happen. Incapacity benefit is for those that should work but cannot. A pensioner would not be on that benefit, so on that basis would not be in the figures.
Maybe I am thick here but what was the retiremnet age for a guy ten years ago then? I can remember it being 65 for yonks.
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I cannot talk about possible homeless situations like yours, but usually the job centre bends over backwards to help, and if everyone took your attutude, then nobody would ever return to work....but they do.

Are you having a laugh 777 rotflmao
I have a friend who was laid off and he said they tried everything to get him back into work.
He said they were very helpful, but it is not their fault if the jobs are not out there....is it?
I am lucky as I have not signed on for over 20 years, but surely are you saying Losty that the people at the jobcentre do not help people, or do not give a shit?
If that is the case then that is a sad situation for a claimant to find themselves in. As I have already said it is only what a mate of mine has said recently, maybe he was one of the lucky ones out there?
Quote by kentswingers777

I cannot talk about possible homeless situations like yours, but usually the job centre bends over backwards to help, and if everyone took your attutude, then nobody would ever return to work....but they do.

Are you having a laugh 777 rotflmao
I have a friend who was laid off and he said they tried everything to get him back into work.
He said they were very helpful, but it is not their fault if the jobs are not out there....is it?
I am lucky as I have not signed on for over 20 years, but surely are you saying Losty that the people at the jobcentre do not help people, or do not give a shit?
If that is the case then that is a sad situation for a claimant to find themselves in. As I have already said it is only what a mate of mine has said recently, maybe he was one of the lucky ones out there?
Yes I think I am saying that 777. Of course its not quite so cut and dried but yes essentially I think I am.
Just as much do the people working there give a shit as does a Dr's receptionist give a shit that the next person coming into the surgery is suffering from haemorrhoids. Or the bloke at the builders merchants is selling a bucket of grout to someone. It's a job of work not of care. Its far more important to look good for your boss and peers than it is the sorry customer, client, service user whatever.
Of course their are going to be one or two born again caring rolemodels but they're the exception rather than the rule. They're probably in here too rolleyes It'll serve them well in the next life I guess
The idealogy is far from the reality.
If the government can find me a job that pays £1,500 a month take home pay which will just about cover the mortgage child care costs household bills and food. And if they can offer me some form of respite care for my disabled son who only sleeps 3-4 hours a night then I would happily go back to work.
But I live in a big dream world and know thats not going to happen I will end up working myself into the ground with no sleep and end up back on benefits due to being sacked due to not being fit to do the job.
One or two of my friends claim benefits and they drive new cars have expensive clothes and I often wonder how they can afford it. Oh yes they live in rented houses paid for by the government. I dont I have a mortgage to pay ok the Government pay the interest but I still have to try and pay back the 39 weeks that the government didnt pay any of the interest and then theres the endownments, life insurances etc you have to pay as well. I get disability living allowance for my son and most of that goes on transport costs for his hospital appointments. Anyone whos not had to live on benefits will never understand how hard it can be.
Some of us cant help the situation we are in, others can but as long as there is a benefit system people will always find a way to work around the rules.
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..........on the benefit gravy train .........

Is this sad or funny, you tell me.
oh where do i start... have seen this topic a few times now and until this moment have kept well away from it, am totally fed up with peopel generalising and thinking both claiming and living on benefits is a bloody breeze, it most definately is NOT!
my own hubby has spinal problems, yes the dreaded 'bad back' which i may point out he recieved while working, claiming this benefit is both long winded, expensive and a lot of arguing, we have to travel to poole every so often for him to have a dhss medical (yes we get paid for our petrol but is generally a whole day and they dont pay for childminders so when our children were small it came out of our own pocket) which he has had to have since he got hurt, this does not entail just saying you have pain or whatever and being looked over briefly, it means a very thorough and sometimes intrusive medical, which also includes all his x-rays, ct scans, mir scans and full medical history notes of his treatment and operations and everything right from birth.
the money if your lucky to be deemed unwell enough is just enough to keep you living but nothing more, we don't get pay rises or help with costs of heating etc when prices go up, for us it's merely a case of eating well and the rest goes to the wall... the only luxury we have is our internet connection, which i do a small cleaning job to subsidise and before anyone says anything.. yes i do disclose this to the dhhs
maybe those sat on their bums at work all day but playing on the net while getting paid to work, should feel bad for conning thier boss' instead of the government lol
now waiting for peoples eyes to glaze over, as they always do when they find out hubby has a 'bad back' rolleyes
And in edit, this is merely the tip of the iceberg where claiming is concerned but i don't feel the need to share more, just totally fed up of being treated like a second class citizen just because we're unfortunate enough to be in some peoples eyes a benefit scrounger
Willing I presume you could be talking about me on the internet whilst working? wink Well it is part my business so I suppose I can do as I please.
Secondly if you read what I have said so many times I am tired of saying it, is I think those that are GENUINE claimants like yourself, should get the benefit and more if honest.
If people who should work but don't, were found out then that extra money should go to people like yourselves, for which it was originally intended for. Not some toss pot who is conning the system and lets be fair most people know of someone who is, which equates to a shit load of people, unless we all know the same people doing it.
Yes your case is unfair and yes you should get more money but.....take it out on the shifters out there, who not only are conning the taxpayer, but also people like yourself.
everything is relative i suppose..... perhaps all benefits should be stopped, all benefits and lets start again ? the benefit to have your company registered abroad, while you live here, have your salery/dividends paid into an offshore account and pay no tax.
the benefit to squander all your company and shareholders/depositors funds playing in the casino and get bailed out by the said same taxpayers.
the benefit to create inflation, thereby reducing the value of the multitudes purchasing power by increasing the money supply (the right to create money).
the benefit to be able to get elected politicians to create laws in your favour and raise taxes to pay you interest.
the benefit to aquire public assets at a knocked down price so you can sell them on at a profit.
the benefit to start wars so you can lend to both sides till they are exhausted and have to borrow from you again to rebuild at interest.
the benefit to lend to (our) government to get us out of the shit we are now in, blaming each other, that the bastards got us into.....AT INTEREST !
STOP BLAMING THE LITTLE GUY AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PILE while a tiny, tiny minority have got away with £BILLIONS
Quote by kentswingers777

It is a fact there are thousands with that " bad back syndrome ", or the other one which is someone who has " other issues " which usually mean in the head. Both are very hard to prove so they pay out on it.

Is there a fact there or simply another rant based on prejudice. One could say that "both are difficult to prove" so small minded egotistical self centred bigots feel free to make groundless assumptions and accusations. And that based on the evidence of the original post is a fact.
Mark, good points well made.
Now how did I know YOU of all people Benny, would come up with a typical rant, about people on the " sick ".

Hang on.... I thought you, started this thread Kenty?
Yes I did Cherry.
But you see Benny thinks it is ok for everyone to be on the sick, or that everyone who is on the sick is worthy of their money.
Thank God we have taxpayers or otherwise the people on benefits would not get a penny. As a taxpayer I have a right to ask the question, about how scroungers are out there, on a benefit they are NOT entitled too. Benny sees a huge problem with that one, and I just cannot see why.
I still think your just getting involved in armchair politics,which is of course your right but it just seems so pointless whilst your only basis for an argument is.. why should I work, pay tax whilst there are so many scrounging bastards out there fleecing the state...of course ppl take advantage of situations,but ppl with jobs take advantage of situations, a friend of mine works in a local tip and he and his wife go to car boot sale weekly to supplement their income from other ppls garbage, they are not supposed to but hey, in all walks of life ppl take advantage of situations,tis the way of the world, it just seems to me your jumping on a band wagon as benefit fraud is such an easy target, but I reiterate my point,the system is flawed as I found out due to my own personal experiences, and anyway if your so concerned with the whole thing go and stand as your local constituent and go try to make a difference or would that be too much like hard work? confused:
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Yes I did Cherry.
But you see Benny thinks it is ok for everyone to be on the sick, or that everyone who is on the sick is worthy of their money.
Thank God we have taxpayers or otherwise the people on benefits would not get a penny. As a taxpayer I have a right to ask the question, about how scroungers are out there, on a benefit they are NOT entitled too. Benny sees a huge problem with that one, and I just cannot see why.

The continual use of the diminutive is a curious phenomeneon of great interest to psychologists Mr Kent. You should google it.
I note that in your version of reality I not only started this debate but think everyone should be on the sick. Neither is true although it does give me a fair indication of your motivation in posting and I don't need a doctorate in psychology to work that out. Where is that troll thread again?
I'm not sure of your definition of scroungers, people who receive benefits to which they are not entitled are remarkably few and far between according to the official figures. Indeed I believe the sums attributed to fraud are exceeded by the sums that the needy fail to claim. But of course you know better because you read the papers.
My current and ongoing message to you Mr Kent is that being scared of individuals or groups does not have to lead to hate, nor does anger about injustice. Love is a many splendoured thiiiiiiiing.
Heres a handy link about compassion.

Oh and I was reading the other day that if you argue with somebody who holds deep beliefs about something it only entrenches those beliefs further. This has led me to not bother arguing very much with the nutters.