So the NUM has finally after all these years at last given Scargill, what they should have given him back in the 80's..........the boot.
This man helped to destroy the miners and the Union. Yes of course the Tory Government at that time under Thatcher were partly to blame, and of course there will be those that blame Thatcher for it but..........remember the NUM brought down Heaths Government and that was before Thatcher had even come to power.
When the NUM led by mad horse Scragill then decided to use their power once again, they found out they were up against a completely different animal in Thatcher. After months of the NUM's members being out on national strike, with all the intimidation that went with it, they lost. They were humiliated back to work with their tails firmly between their legs, and the NUM were never the same again.
Thatcher smashed them to such a degree that they became powerless and leaderless.
Now the once mighty and powerful NUM have decided that Scargill no longer can be a member of this once great union anymore. Of course he says he will fight the decision, but just like before he will lose.
It is a shame that the NUM did not have the same attitude back in the 80's for if they had then maybe we would still have a mining industry.
I for one did smile when I read this report, as for him this is the ultimate humiliation....even worse than Thatchers defeat of him and his union.
I smiled because Scargill helped to destroy the NUM and it's membership, solely for his own agendas. He thought he was so powerful that nobody or nothing could touch him back then.....how wrong he was. Now he is just a pathetic figure just as he was on the day the miners were forced back to work.
I hope we never see the days again of a person holding so much power, that he is untouchable, and helps to destroy thousands of peoples lives, just because of his own altered ego.
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Didn't I read recently (must have been about May) that he set up a special conference to appoint himself as "life time president" and that he has been milking the NUM funds to the tune of millions to fund the "grace and favour" apartment mentioned in the article? The travel allowance is presumably linked to that. This grace and favour apartment was effectively "hidden" in the depths of the NUM accounts and in any other circumstances would be regarded as being theft.
It is said that the only reason this idiot is still with us is that he wants to outlive Mrs Thatcher so he can dance on her grave...
oh, please
It is said that the only reason this idiot is still with us is that he wants to outlive Mrs Thatcher so he can dance on her grave...
oh, please
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Didn't I read recently (must have been about May) that he set up a special conference to appoint himself as "life time president" and that he has been milking the NUM funds to the tune of millions to fund the "grace and favour" apartment mentioned in the article? The travel allowance is presumably linked to that. This grace and favour apartment was effectively "hidden" in the depths of the NUM accounts and in any other circumstances would be regarded as being theft.
It is said that the only reason this idiot is still with us is that he wants to outlive Mrs Thatcher so he can dance on her grave...
oh, please
Yes GNV I have heard all of that as well. Financial irregularities...I wonder what that means exactly?
Was he on the take?
The guy is deluded now as he was all those years ago, and the stigma of being battered by Maggie still haunts him to this day.
He may well outlive Maggie but it matters not one jot. She will be there waiting for him to give him another battering....some people just never learn that others are more cleverer and smarter than ones self.
He is still a bitter and twisted old man as came across in an article I read about six months ago....he still thinks that he defeated Maggie ffs. For Maggie she probably cannot even remember this weasel of a man, and even if she does to her he is just one of many who she crushed.
All good things come to those who wait GNV.
and the time has come for Scargill to at last realise that his beloved union and the power it once held, is finished....along with him.Sleep well Arthur baby.
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that's a very humble home he has there for someone who is a devoted socialist
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that's a very humble home he has there for someone who is a devoted socialist
Yes worth a few bob Rob. Certainly much humbler abode than the miners, who were living in the Welsh valleys in very basic homes.
No different to today's union big wigs.
I wonder what the Mother of all Socialists house is like? Prescott the new Lord.
Mind you though Blair has a lovely nice new portfolio of houses now too.
Ah the Socialists dream of equality for all eh? As long as nobody has what they have...what a bunch of two faced hypocrites.
Sleep tight Arthur. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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that's a very humble home he has there for someone who is a devoted socialist
Yes worth a few bob Rob. Certainly much humbler abode than the miners, who were living in the Welsh valleys in very basic homes.
No different to today's union big wigs.
I wonder what the Mother of all Socialists house is like? Prescott the new Lord.
Mind you though Blair has a lovely nice new portfolio of houses now too.
Ah the Socialists dream of equality for all eh? As long as nobody has what they have...what a bunch of two faced hypocrites.
Sleep tight Arthur. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Is he dead then?
Sex God
Quote by GnV
that's a very humble home he has there for someone who is a devoted socialist
Yes worth a few bob Rob. Certainly much humbler abode than the miners, who were living in the Welsh valleys in very basic homes.
No different to today's union big wigs.
I wonder what the Mother of all Socialists house is like? Prescott the new Lord.
Mind you though Blair has a lovely nice new portfolio of houses now too.
Ah the Socialists dream of equality for all eh? As long as nobody has what they have...what a bunch of two faced hypocrites.
Sleep tight Arthur. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Is he dead then?
think he was declared brain dead back in the 70's
:dunno: 
Sex God
You can never understand the miners strike unless you come from a mining area ......your take on the history of it is distorted to say the least....have fun back slapping
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You can never understand the miners strike unless you come from a mining area ......your take on the history of it is distorted to say the least....have fun back slapping
Ah.........so what part of the history is wrong then?
Is it the part that Scargill decimated the NUM?
Or is it the part that Thatcher Humiliated him and the NUM?
Or is it the part that the miners went scurrying back to work with their tales between their legs, dejected and beaten?
Or is it possibly the part that the NUM had become so powerful that they actually brought a Government down?
What a ridiculous comment to say nobody can understand unless they come from a mining area.....utter nonsense.
People can understand perfectly well what Scargill did to those miners and their families, it does not take a genius to realise that Scargill did it for his own hatred of Thatcher, and to this day is a defeated man.
Those of us old enough to remember the treatment of those who dared to stand in the way of the NUM, the police and the " scabs ". Intimidation and violence were the only tools Scargill and his thugs had. They used those to great effect on the decent miners who did not want to strike.
Your not possibly coming from the same school of thought as the mad deluded Scragill still is.............are you?
The industry is finished.....the NUM are buried, and for Scargill even his days of belonging to his once powerful union, is finished. Nothing left for the man to cling onto, not even in his dreams.
Quote by kentswingers777
Didn't I read recently (must have been about May) that he set up a special conference to appoint himself as "life time president" and that he has been milking the NUM funds to the tune of millions to fund the "grace and favour" apartment mentioned in the article? The travel allowance is presumably linked to that. This grace and favour apartment was effectively "hidden" in the depths of the NUM accounts and in any other circumstances would be regarded as being theft.
It is said that the only reason this idiot is still with us is that he wants to outlive Mrs Thatcher so he can dance on her grave...
oh, please
Yes GNV I have heard all of that as well. Financial irregularities...I wonder what that means exactly?
Was he on the take?
The guy is deluded now as he was all those years ago, and the stigma of being battered by Maggie still haunts him to this day.
He may well outlive Maggie but it matters not one jot. She will be there waiting for him to give him another battering....some people just never learn that others are more cleverer and smarter than ones self.
He is still a bitter and twisted old man as came across in an article I read about six months ago....he still thinks that he defeated Maggie ffs. For Maggie she probably cannot even remember this weasel of a man, and even if she does to her he is just one of many who she crushed.
All good things come to those who wait GNV.
and the time has come for Scargill to at last realise that his beloved union and the power it once held, is finished....along with him.Sleep well Arthur baby.
That's Alzheimer's for you.
Quote by kentswingers777
that's a very humble home he has there for someone who is a devoted socialist
Yes worth a few bob Rob. Certainly much humbler abode than the miners, who were living in the Welsh valleys in very basic homes.
No different to today's union big wigs.
I wonder what the Mother of all Socialists house is like? Prescott the new Lord.
Mind you though Blair has a lovely nice new portfolio of houses now too.
Ah the Socialists dream of equality for all eh? As long as nobody has what they have...what a bunch of two faced hypocrites.
Sleep tight Arthur. :lol: :lol: :lol:
I picketed in Kent, with Kent miners. As usual, you appear to know fuck all about the things of which you speak.
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:sleeping::sleeping:
Same old...........same old.
No hidden agendas there with you then?
IF and I did use the word IF you picketed with Kent miners........don't worry as I do not believe for a second that you did.
My opinion of course.
You have an opinion about whether I did what I did? That's interesting.....
There's certainly no hidden agenda. I did what I did. You don't want to believe that? Good luck to you Kenty.
Incidentally, you're doing a neat job of ad hominem evasion, attacking me to ignore the fact that your crass point about miners in South Wales ignores the fact that there were miners in more places than just South Wales. I picketed with guys from Kent, Scotland, Durham, Northumberland, South Wales, North Wales and Staffordshire...
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Quote by Staggerlee_BB
You can never understand the miners strike unless you come from a mining area ......your take on the history of it is distorted to say the least....have fun back slapping
Sounds like hog wash tom stags
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Incidentally, you're doing a neat job of ad hominem evasion, attacking me to ignore the fact that your crass point about miners in South Wales ignores the fact that there were miners in more places than just South Wales. I picketed with guys from Kent, Scotland, Durham, Northumberland, South Wales, North Wales and Staffordshire...
What I love about this site is that it seems there is nothing someone has not done, or nothing that if they have not done it they know someone who did. Blimey I bet if we did a thread on people walking in space, I am sure someone here would have done it, or know someone that did...........interesting indeedy.
The miners strike was 1984-1985, your age is 44 apparently cos I had a little gander. Now that in my book would make you a very young man when the strike started.
I find it strange how a young man would go the width and breadth of England, to support the miners. An odd one for a young man to do who is not a miner. Still you were probably at the Poll tax riots too. See what higher education can do?
AnyWAY the thread was not about you, but as usual you come in make out your an expert in the subject.
My points were labeled at Scargill which are fact, and the miners were defeated....fact. The NUM is finished..........fact. So I am somewhat confused by your comment......
Quote by Google
you appear to know fuck all about the things of which you speak.
I seem to know a fair bit actually, but not as much as someone who was there, picketing and intimidating, obviously.
If you would like to enlighten me as to what I know " fuck all about " I would be really interested.
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snip ....
The miners strike was 1984-1985, your age is 44 apparently cos I had a little gander. Now that in my book would make you a very young man when the strike started.
I find it strange how a young man would go the width and breadth of England, to support the miners. An odd one for a young man to do who is not a miner. Still you were probably at the Poll tax riots too. See what higher education can do?
Aha! a Scargill groupie then? Now that's individuality!!
Most other teenagers would have been following The Stones...
Sex God
Quote by awayman
that's a very humble home he has there for someone who is a devoted socialist
Yes worth a few bob Rob. Certainly much humbler abode than the miners, who were living in the Welsh valleys in very basic homes.
No different to today's union big wigs.
I wonder what the Mother of all Socialists house is like? Prescott the new Lord.
Mind you though Blair has a lovely nice new portfolio of houses now too.
Ah the Socialists dream of equality for all eh? As long as nobody has what they have...what a bunch of two faced hypocrites.
Sleep tight Arthur. :lol: :lol: :lol:
I picketed in Kent, with Kent miners. As usual, you appear to know fuck all about the things of which you speak.
It is a shame that these threads are all too often brought down to the level of personal insults rather than grown up debate
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Incidentally, you're doing a neat job of ad hominem evasion, attacking me to ignore the fact that your crass point about miners in South Wales ignores the fact that there were miners in more places than just South Wales. I picketed with guys from Kent, Scotland, Durham, Northumberland, South Wales, North Wales and Staffordshire...
What I love about this site is that it seems there is nothing someone has not done, or nothing that if they have not done it they know someone who did. Blimey I bet if we did a thread on people walking in space, I am sure someone here would have done it, or know someone that did...........interesting indeedy.
The miners strike was 1984-1985, your age is 44 apparently cos I had a little gander. Now that in my book would make you a very young man when the strike started.
I find it strange how a young man would go the width and breadth of England, to support the miners. An odd one for a young man to do who is not a miner. Still you were probably at the Poll tax riots too. See what higher education can do?
AnyWAY the thread was not about you, but as usual you come in make out your an expert in the subject.
My points were labeled at Scargill which are fact, and the miners were defeated....fact. The NUM is finished..........fact. So I am somewhat confused by your comment......
Quote by Google
you appear to know fuck all about the things of which you speak.
I seem to know a fair bit actually, but not as much as someone who was there, picketing and intimidating, obviously.
If you would like to enlighten me as to what I know " fuck all about " I would be really interested.
Did I ever tell you about me and my mate Buz
:giggle:
Sex God
Quote by awayman
that's a very humble home he has there for someone who is a devoted socialist
Yes worth a few bob Rob. Certainly much humbler abode than the miners, who were living in the Welsh valleys in very basic homes.
No different to today's union big wigs.
I wonder what the Mother of all Socialists house is like? Prescott the new Lord.
Mind you though Blair has a lovely nice new portfolio of houses now too.
Ah the Socialists dream of equality for all eh? As long as nobody has what they have...what a bunch of two faced hypocrites.
Sleep tight Arthur. :lol: :lol: :lol:
I picketed in Kent, with Kent miners. As usual, you appear to know fuck all about the things of which you speak.
must have been scary seeing this lot come round the corner
This is Scargill talking about the 25th anniversary of the miners strike, only last it's current members.....should be enough to fill the local cafe I suppose.:giggle:
Does this guy do anything in the present?
He sounds as unconvincing now as he did back then.
Are there people who still want to listen to his drivel? Well he won't be talking about the miners strike to the NUM anymore, as he will not have his union card. :lol:
Does this guy do anything in the present?
He sounds as unconvincing now as he did back then.
Are there people who still want to listen to his drivel? Well he won't be talking about the miners strike to the NUM anymore, as he will not have his union card.
:lol: I have never seeen such hatred expressed towards a group of human beings in my life based solely on what they end up doing to earn a living.
Were some members of our community scared by the coal man as a child or summat? or is there a wish to get a rise out of other community members?
For our younger readers, I should point out that the mining industry was systematically destroyed by a government with vested interests in its destruction and no concern for the misery caused.
The death of British mining was a tragedy. To dance on its grave is incredibly distasteful. But then like I said one presumes the thread is done for effect.
Were some members of our community scared by the coal man as a child or summat? or is there a wish to get a rise out of other community members?
For our younger readers, I should point out that the mining industry was systematically destroyed by a government with vested interests in its destruction and no concern for the misery caused.
The death of British mining was a tragedy. To dance on its grave is incredibly distasteful. But then like I said one presumes the thread is done for effect.
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I have never seeen such hatred expressed towards a group of human beings in my life based solely on what they end up doing to earn a living.
It has nothing to do with what they did for a living,I think most people accepted that the miners had a horrific profession, and to start with they had the public's support. I remember clearly people giving generously to people collecting food outside supermarkets.
Quote by Benny
Were some members of our community scared by the coal man as a child or summat? or is there a wish to get a rise out of other community members?
Once again read the thread.
Quote by Benny
For our younger readers, I should point out that the mining industry was systematically destroyed by a government with vested interests in its destruction and no concern for the misery caused.
So the mining industry never brought down a Government because of their strike actions? The miners were so powerful that they thought they could do as they mining industry was losing money hand over fist, their strikes were what brought down the industry. It was Thatchers decision to take them on that was their downfall.
Quote by Benny
The death of British mining was a tragedy. To dance on its grave is incredibly distasteful. But then like I said one presumes the thread is done for effect.
Not done for effect at all,that always seems to be your same old argument. The death of the industry was brought about by itself, mainly because of Scargills obsession with hating Thatcher.
It was certainly no tragedy, not for the public to be held to ransom by a union too big for it's own boots constantly. They intimidated it's members into striking and staying out on strike, and you are obviously not old enough to remember the flying pickets sent up and down the land to intimidate those with violence if they went back to work.
The laws today mean that the flying pickets and the " everybody out " shouts,cannot happen anymore at the drop of a hat. No more closed shops where jobs were only offered if you was in that union, failure to be a member meant you had no chance of joining that firm.
Good ideals so I suppose some good things came out of it in the end.
I am sure that whilst the miners lost big time, Scargill and his henchmen certainly did not lose everything. They came out of it alright or did they also only have to live on strike pay at that time? Thought not. Scargill seems to have done very nicely out of it all, to the huge detriment of thousands of hard working decent miners, of which if honest he cared nothing for as he only believed in his own PR.
This is the real timetable of events leading up to and after the strike.
and is history not repeating itself?
Replace the NUM with Unite in this modern age. It is trying to take on Governments where the NUM and others have systematically failed over the years.
And now, the Unions are dictating to the Labour party who it should elect as their leader on pain of withdrawing its funds and support!!
Once again they are becoming all too big for their boots.
I'm sorry Ben, it's not about the workers; its all about how powerful these bastards can be in the furtherance of their ill gotten personal wealth.
They are worse than the very worst of the former USSR leaders who kept their population in poverty whilst enjoying massive wealth for themselves.
Replace the NUM with Unite in this modern age. It is trying to take on Governments where the NUM and others have systematically failed over the years.
And now, the Unions are dictating to the Labour party who it should elect as their leader on pain of withdrawing its funds and support!!
Once again they are becoming all too big for their boots.
I'm sorry Ben, it's not about the workers; its all about how powerful these bastards can be in the furtherance of their ill gotten personal wealth.
They are worse than the very worst of the former USSR leaders who kept their population in poverty whilst enjoying massive wealth for themselves.
