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Quote by flower411
So, some genius has come up with the idea of having nurses work on wards looking after people before they start university training.
To be absolutely honest it had never occured to me that they didn`t already have to do this ! Learn something new every day !
There was a woman on the radio this morning (sorry, didn`t catch who she was) who was suggesting that this might put some people off a carreer in nursing !!!!
No shit Sherlock ! :shock:
If looking after patients puts them off being nurses then I`d say that it`s a brilliant idea :thumbup:
I too thought they would do this as "par for the course" I don't know a lot about training in most professions but I do know it has been common practice in some jobs, Air Cadets, Sea Cadets, Army Cadets, Hairdressing and so on, even so far as Junior Leaders and Junior Tradesmens Regiments in the army where lads joined at 16 to learn the trade before going on to Regular army units. I am led to believe that many of our new Police Officers are recruited from the Community Police Force.
In the army we had beasting for recruits, not to be confused with bullying, though I never saw bullying myself it is or was more prolific than I would ever have believed, but beasting was the norm, when your up to your neck in muck n bullets on the frontline of Afganistan it is too late to find out that someone cannot take the rough and I don't just mean conflict I mean living in terrible or sparse conditions, enduring weather conditions that aren't the norm (-30s sleeping rough in the Falklands) enduring the heat and cold of Afghanistan or the bugs of Borneo.
A good idea long overdue for me.
The whole perception people have of employments makes me laugh to be honest, everyday I see people with "We are Professionals" on their profile, most of the time the word professional is spelt wrong 
I am old school, I think you can do a job professionally no matter what that job is, but to be a Professional in my book you have to have the relevant qualifications, BSc, Queens Commission, Doctorship, BA, Degree etc.
Being the Manager of a Double Glazing Company does not make you a Professional, being Head of Department or Office Manager does not make you a Professional it simply implies to me that you are good at what you do for a living and have earned a position of responsibility and trust.
I had a mail from the an Army Wife upset at my view of this, adamantly claiming I AM a professional my husband is a Sergeant in the Army
London Cabbies are considered by many to be "lowly taxi drivers" yet they study their trade for an average of two years before they can pick up their first paying fare.
The checkout girl who helped me at Asda yesterday did her job very professionally.
Our refuse collectors do their job very efficiently, they do a very professional job.
But neither the checkout girl or the refuse collector are Professionals, they are people that simply do a good job in their chosen profession, I have as much respect for them as I have for an office manager that runs an efficient and successfull office.
So, (without a need to respond to the question - rhetorical I think they call it) Do you consider yourself a Professional, do you have professional qualifications or are you simply someone who does your job professionally with or without years of training to do what you do ? Do you think your better than someone else because of the work you do ? is the checkout a lesser person than you because he/she works on a checkout and you work/manage something ?
Of course not all checkout staff are efficeint or good at their jobs, Asda I believe train their staff to a higher degree in customer service than the likes of the Co-op or Tesco. Some inefficiency in this field is down to individuals and some down to Company training.
I am old school, I think you can do a job professionally no matter what that job is, but to be a Professional in my book you have to have the relevant qualifications, BSc, Queens Commission, Doctorship, BA, Degree etc.
Being the Manager of a Double Glazing Company does not make you a Professional, being Head of Department or Office Manager does not make you a Professional it simply implies to me that you are good at what you do for a living and have earned a position of responsibility and trust.
I had a mail from the an Army Wife upset at my view of this, adamantly claiming I AM a professional my husband is a Sergeant in the Army
London Cabbies are considered by many to be "lowly taxi drivers" yet they study their trade for an average of two years before they can pick up their first paying fare.
The checkout girl who helped me at Asda yesterday did her job very professionally.
Our refuse collectors do their job very efficiently, they do a very professional job.
But neither the checkout girl or the refuse collector are Professionals, they are people that simply do a good job in their chosen profession, I have as much respect for them as I have for an office manager that runs an efficient and successfull office.
So, (without a need to respond to the question - rhetorical I think they call it) Do you consider yourself a Professional, do you have professional qualifications or are you simply someone who does your job professionally with or without years of training to do what you do ? Do you think your better than someone else because of the work you do ? is the checkout a lesser person than you because he/she works on a checkout and you work/manage something ?
Of course not all checkout staff are efficeint or good at their jobs, Asda I believe train their staff to a higher degree in customer service than the likes of the Co-op or Tesco. Some inefficiency in this field is down to individuals and some down to Company training.
Quote by MidsCouple24
The whole perception people have of employments makes me laugh to be honest, everyday I see people with "We are Professionals" on their profile, most of the time the word professional is spelt wrong
I am old school, I think you can do a job professionally no matter what that job is, but to be a Professional in my book you have to have the relevant qualifications, BSc, Queens Commission, Doctorship, BA, Degree etc.
Being the Manager of a Double Glazing Company does not make you a Professional, being Head of Department or Office Manager does not make you a Professional it simply implies to me that you are good at what you do for a living and have earned a position of responsibility and trust.
I had a mail from the an Army Wife upset at my view of this, adamantly claiming I AM a professional my husband is a Sergeant in the Army
London Cabbies are considered by many to be "lowly taxi drivers" yet they study their trade for an average of two years before they can pick up their first paying fare.
The checkout girl who helped me at Asda yesterday did her job very professionally.
Our refuse collectors do their job very efficiently, they do a very professional job.
But neither the checkout girl or the refuse collector are Professionals, they are people that simply do a good job in their chosen profession, I have as much respect for them as I have for an office manager that runs an efficient and successfull office.
So, (without a need to respond to the question - rhetorical I think they call it) Do you consider yourself a Professional, do you have professional qualifications or are you simply someone who does your job professionally with or without years of training to do what you do ? Do you think your better than someone else because of the work you do ? is the checkout a lesser person than you because he/she works on a checkout and you work/manage something ?
Of course not all checkout staff are efficeint or good at their jobs, Asda I believe train their staff to a higher degree in customer service than the likes of the Co-op or Tesco. Some inefficiency in this field is down to individuals and some down to Company training.
Mids I am ever so sorry but you are talking bollocks.
The word professional has a definition as to what it means. You sometimes make things up as you go along. Do yourself a favour and check what it actually means.
Just for you Mids as it may take you a while to find it. :wink:
Quote by Rogue_Trader
Well I suppose that's an improvement on racist I suppose.
Its actually worse Star.
Oh well Rogue..........name calling I am a bit past caring about that. I am sure GnV loves me really. :lol:
Also the word has been around since 1598 so am sure I am not the first and certainly will not be the last. I shall take it as a compliment. :bounce:
Sex God
Quote by MidsCouple24
The whole perception people have of employments makes me laugh to be honest, everyday I see people with "We are Professionals" on their profile, most of the time the word professional is spelt wrong
Oh how I laughed at this one
In general I agree with your full post and seem to remember the subject being discussed many times before.Returning to the OP:
My youngest brother is 24. He got a first class business degree and afterwards he returned home and took a job as a receptionist for an NHS facility. He has trained in phlebotomy and carries out shifts in this role several times a week. He also works in the sexual health clinic. Last summer he spent 6 weeks in Africa attempting to stem the flow of STD's by providing sexual health advice and screening to people living in the back of beyond. He also finds time to work as a healthcare assistant from time to time in a local hospital. In fairness he works damn hard and is fully committed to a future nursing career. What's the point of my post? Well he has had to do all this just to prove his commitment and get enrolled on an access to nursing course! Not even a nursing course, just the one that he needs to get accepted for a nursing course. It seems to me that there are plenty of hoops to jump through already.
Sex God
Isn't that what he, and all his contemporaries are already doing?
Sex God
I'm not assuming anything. If he gets 28 out of 30 distinctions he has a place on a nursing course from September. If he didn't start training until September 2014 he would have to undertake another year of hands on healthcare prior to starting his cours, in addition to the things he has already had to do.
Quote by starlightcouple
The whole perception people have of employments makes me laugh to be honest, everyday I see people with "We are Professionals" on their profile, most of the time the word professional is spelt wrong
I am old school, I think you can do a job professionally no matter what that job is, but to be a Professional in my book you have to have the relevant qualifications, BSc, Queens Commission, Doctorship, BA, Degree etc.
Being the Manager of a Double Glazing Company does not make you a Professional, being Head of Department or Office Manager does not make you a Professional it simply implies to me that you are good at what you do for a living and have earned a position of responsibility and trust.
I had a mail from the an Army Wife upset at my view of this, adamantly claiming I AM a professional my husband is a Sergeant in the Army
London Cabbies are considered by many to be "lowly taxi drivers" yet they study their trade for an average of two years before they can pick up their first paying fare.
The checkout girl who helped me at Asda yesterday did her job very professionally.
Our refuse collectors do their job very efficiently, they do a very professional job.
But neither the checkout girl or the refuse collector are Professionals, they are people that simply do a good job in their chosen profession, I have as much respect for them as I have for an office manager that runs an efficient and successfull office.
So, (without a need to respond to the question - rhetorical I think they call it) Do you consider yourself a Professional, do you have professional qualifications or are you simply someone who does your job professionally with or without years of training to do what you do ? Do you think your better than someone else because of the work you do ? is the checkout a lesser person than you because he/she works on a checkout and you work/manage something ?
Of course not all checkout staff are efficeint or good at their jobs, Asda I believe train their staff to a higher degree in customer service than the likes of the Co-op or Tesco. Some inefficiency in this field is down to individuals and some down to Company training.
Mids I am ever so sorry but you are talking bollocks.
The word professional has a definition as to what it means. You sometimes make things up as you go along. Do yourself a favour and check what it actually means.
Just for you Mids as it may take you a while to find it. :wink:
Wiki is very good, it is not alway 100% accurate, anyone who believes that it is probably thinks the newspapers also get things right all the time.
The word professional is used in many contexts, and as I live in the real world and not one that is set in stone, professional is term that for was, for hundreds of years used to describe someone with a qualifications from a set list, ie Queens Commission, in some areas it has been used to differentiate between people with different statuses within their employment but not to the qualification of their employment.
A professional soldier was considered one who served full time in peace and in war, alternatively there were conscripts, territorials and volunteers.
A professional sportsman was one who relied on the sport for full time employment as opposed to one who had another job but played sport as either a pastime or at a high level but paid only in sponsorship or perhaps even not at all.
San Marino Football team for example are non-professional players who represented their country in the World Cup qualifier against England last week, each player has a full time job outside football.
The word has for hundreds of years had different meanings depending on the context with which it is used, the common phrase of being "a professional" when referring to ones career qualifications has been used for those who have recognised qualifications such as I have said earlier, Queens Commission, Degree, BSc, A Doctorship, a Barrister or Judge (but not a magistrate).
You will be telling me next that people are farmers whatever type/size of farm they have and that a "hobby farmer" makes plastic diaorama with sheep and cattle in it.
I bet you would class yourself as being Middle Class woudln't you ? another term adopted by many who want to make themselves or believe themselves to be more important than their peers.
Sex God
It occurs to me that for the last, christ knows, how many years that nurses have been trained and encouraged to do more the more medical side of nursing and to relieve the doctors of some of their duties. The, what were once called domestics and now called, nursing auxiliaries took on the less medically skilled roles to free up the nurses to allow this. Waed cleaning staff the took over a lot of the domestics duties allowing this too hppen Then, also, on came the ward clerk, now called ward manager to relieve the mounting daily bureaucratic pressure side of nursing,
Nurses are still plagued by paperwork so the ward managers position didn't help them a lot did it. The more "care worker" side of nursing that has become a more integral part of the Na's job seems to be over looked in this help towards taking pressure from the qualified trained nurse. Now the possibility of having to go back doing more and training in care work is being added the job description for a nurse seems to be getting stretched from both ends.
Poor f*ckers cant seem to do right for wrong I feel for them. It seems though they are expected to do the number of duties and not complain or bitch about it. I think its high time the management (yet afuckinggain) took some responsibility in confusing a nurses role so much that the poor nurses are chasing themselves up their own backsides most of the time and getting no further for it. Maybe somebody somewhere should give nurses a clearly defined explanation and description of what their role is because I'm sure they'd like to know.
Nurses are still plagued by paperwork so the ward managers position didn't help them a lot did it. The more "care worker" side of nursing that has become a more integral part of the Na's job seems to be over looked in this help towards taking pressure from the qualified trained nurse. Now the possibility of having to go back doing more and training in care work is being added the job description for a nurse seems to be getting stretched from both ends.
Poor f*ckers cant seem to do right for wrong I feel for them. It seems though they are expected to do the number of duties and not complain or bitch about it. I think its high time the management (yet afuckinggain) took some responsibility in confusing a nurses role so much that the poor nurses are chasing themselves up their own backsides most of the time and getting no further for it. Maybe somebody somewhere should give nurses a clearly defined explanation and description of what their role is because I'm sure they'd like to know.
Nursing used to be all about the vocation, but since a lot of the decent nurses were sick and tired of being treated like dogs bodies, and still paid shit money for what is a bloody worthwhile job,they left the profession.
Now it seems to be filled with nurses who no longer care, it's just a job to them. When we have nurses leaving elderly patients in their own shit,and not bothering to feed and water them properly, we know there is a serious problem within the nursing fraternity.
Now it seems to be filled with nurses who no longer care, it's just a job to them. When we have nurses leaving elderly patients in their own shit,and not bothering to feed and water them properly, we know there is a serious problem within the nursing fraternity.
Sex God
There are no excuses for the level of treatment that was discovered in the Stafford hospital review. However I thinks it's a step too far to say that the nursing profession as a whole does not care.
Quote by Trevaunance
There are no excuses for the level of treatment that was discovered in the Stafford hospital review. However I thinks it's a step too far to say that the nursing profession as a whole does not care.
Absolutely true ... of course the nursing profession as a whole cares... the problem is that we want it all ways ... we want dedicated bright and well motivated people to undertake hard and academically rigorous training, work long hours in shifts over night at weekends and at Christmas ..we want those same people to put up with stressed out relatives, lack of staff due to cit backs and abusive patients......oh and we'd like these paragons of virtue to do it simply for the love of the job
just remind me ..why are we having trouble finding candidates of the right calibre?!?!?!?
Jack
Quote by Green_Fox_71
oh and we'd like these paragons of virtue to do it simply for the love of the job
just remind me ..why are we having trouble finding candidates of the right calibre?!?!?!?
Jack
Yes nursing used to be like that Fox...........simply for the love of the job. As I have said already, so many great nurses have left their positions, it is no different with teaching.
Then when the people who love the job leave, they are on many occasions replaced with people who do it because it's a jib and it pays the bills.
Nursing used to be a vocation, but on so many levels it is not like that anymore.
