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Quote by Too Hot
I don't doubt what you say - but it is still personal choice for you to put the crap in your mouth in the first place. Many things are addictive, but people have to take responsibility for their own bodies and lives and that really is the bottom line.
Weighing in at 19 stone and being comfortable because it was caused by big business is a pretty dumb train of thought. Whereas weighing in at 19 stone and actually making an effort to change your lifestyle and become fitter is a responsible thing to do.
Far too often are people's personal failings being blamed on someone else but no matter whose fault it is, it is the responsibility of the individual to do something about it.

you will find as you watch the series that the very sort of people who are either having to work all hours or not working at all, are those that are most at risk with ready made meals and such like. I think i said it before sucrose and corn steep sugars are just two of these
cheap wines are also becoming a massive danger to women on particular
go and have a shop round waitrose or m&s and read the labels it will scare you senseless especially the saturated fats
unless you know what you are eating you have no idea like you said 10 kilo and didn't even notice
i had quick walk round asda yesterday, this only confirmed that walmart had set it up to entice people to eat shit and from an early age too! most of the bad things that kids love was all at child level and on every corner of every isle
i doubt many on here even know their bmi or their blood sugar levels,colesteral or blood pressure
its a too all easy trap to fall into and harder one to get out of, and not everyone knows where to start or has the will power
Sorry the evidence is there for all to see. People become overweight through eating poor food, and too much of that poor food coupled with a serious lack of any exercise.
It really is as simple as that. No excuses at all, no fat gene either. Bad diet and poor exercise leads to being mat first overweight, and then into obese and then morbidly obese, and then death if it gets that bad.
Is there not a saying about you are what you eat?
But you are not saying anything new here. I can't believe that there is anyone who does not know that eating processed foods high in starch and sugar is bad for you. If you consume any amount of food which contains more calories than you burn then weight is going to be gained.
Saying that people don't know where to start or don't have the will power is what we tend to do as a nation and consequently make their situation worse by understanding and supposedly supporting them. Maybe I misread an earlier post but I think it was suggesting that an overweight woman was given a motability scooter because she was overweight and also had incapacity because she could not get around. That is just stupid when what the woman needed was to be told that her benefits were going to be cut unless she got her weight under control. She would save a fortune by simply eating properly and it is a myth to say that fresh food costs more than processed - it just depends what you eat and how much you eat.
Once you pass 40 years old you need hardly any food to survive and that is what most people need educating about - how to have a simple, low cost nutritious diet.
Quote by Geordiecpl2001
Jed,
Agree with you on this one !! What the solution is I don't know, but anything involving depriving them of their "treats" ie, unhealthy food, would surely be against their human rights.
Personally, I'd raise the tax on junk food and use the cash raised to lower the price of healthy food.
John

Well that was the tactic used to lower the amount of people smoking, good enough to help smokers perhaps it would be good enough to help obesity, one problem at the moment is that the cheaper foods do tend to be worse for you especially snacks, I know you can make snacks very cheaply, even buy some very cheaply but crisps or chips v apple or banana, anyone who doesn't have to think about their weight normally goes for the unhealthy option, of those who do need to think about their weight too many still go for the unhealthy option.
For the most part it has a lot to do with "anything in moderation" a minimum of 8 packets of crisps a day is going to be bad for you no matter what else or how little else you eat.
Quote by Lizaleanrob
Just watching the program "fat families" on Sky Living, and it is nothing short of disgusting.
This woman has just been shopping where she has to use a mobility scooter to get round the shop, with a trolly full of crisps, chocolate and cakes they went on to the chinese buffet were sadly the owners are well out of pocket after the 3 members of the family (all triple their recommended weight) visited.
Shopping and dinner done, flat out on the settee and another 10 packets of crips downed in one session she is now crying because she is too fat, she requires breathing apparatus to sleep or her own body fat might suffocate her.
Recieving mobility benefits because she can't walk are we helping her kill herself ?
With the current round of benefit cuts for the disabled harming the genuine, non-self inflicted people is it right that we give her the money to kill herself ?
Crying for the TV cameras she posts pictures of herself on the internet because she is proud of her 33 stone body (aged 39), her husband at 40 stone and mother living with her at 22 stones (aged 56) means that there we are actually paying 3 portions of mobility benefit into the household, we pay the rent because they are all unemployed due to weight problems, we pay their council tax and jobseekers allowance though their days are spent eating not seeking employment.
How can this be right ? is it not criminal for the government to help these people, welfare state assisting people to kill themselves ?
Of course as an isolated case it would be one thing but we all know that obesity is rife in the UK.

you do realise that serious obesity is a corporate made problem and is not down to being lazy or idol rolleyes
you really should watch the series "the men that made us fat" im sure if you was to watch the series on iplayer then you would really understand why we have the problem now and didn't have it 40 years ago
I don't care whose fault it is, I care about doing something about it and that is what we elect and pay a government to do, the governent that brought in high taxes and smoking bans because smoking is bad for us, I know the government don't make ciggarettes and that big business's do, and I know that they advertised it in the past in such a way that it was appealing but ask any non-smoker why they don't smoke and they will probably say that it is bad for you, makes you smell, costs a lot of money and they do not need to do it just because some people enjoy it.
I see the same adverts as obese people, I enjoy the same crisps and chips as they do, I enjoy relaxing just as much as they do, I just know that I have to do everything in moderation and act accordingly, the corporates don't own me or my body.
The family on the program today said they were fat because they ate too much and they were lazy, never going for walks, never playing with their kids or grandkids and because they only ate food that was high in saturated fats.
40 years ago and 50 years ago my parents were not making me a packed lunch with a packet of crisps, chocolate bar, full fat yoghurt and fizzy drink. Back then the dangers of obesity were lesser known than they are today but the problem wasn't as bad as you just said, are we humans or sheep, do we have the ability to put healthier foods in our lunchboxes and on the table at teatime or are we too stupid to listen to the "healthy eating corporates instead of the fast fat food corporates.
Anybody but me that's who I blame for being obese dunno
3 episodes wow, that's it then, it must be right.
Now me I watch hundreds of episodes about eating healthy options, they are called cookery programmes and the TV is full of them, even when they mkae the things that are bad for you they point out the fat content will be high.
I don't know a lot about sugars and fats, I think processed sugar is very bad and that a lot of products contain natural sugars that can also be bad for you, I do know how to read a product label that tells me what content of saturated fats and sugars and salts are present.
I do know that a banana or an apple instead of a packet of crisps is more filling, releases more energy and better for me.
I eat lots of things that are bad for me, I eat far too much butter and put way too much salt on my dinner, I have sugar in my tea, but I compensate by steaming what I can, eating fresh vegetables and fruit, not eating as many packets of crisps as I would like to, eating more white meat than red meat, eating a good proportion of fish in my diet, grilling not frying where possible, using my oven not my deep fat fryer when I can.
Quote by MidsCouple24
3 episodes wow, that's it then, it must be right.
Now me I watch hundreds of episodes about eating healthy options, they are called cookery programmes and the TV is full of them, even when they mkae the things that are bad for you they point out the fat content will be high.
I don't know a lot about sugars and fats, I think processed sugar is very bad and that a lot of products contain natural sugars that can also be bad for you, I do know how to read a product label that tells me what content of saturated fats and sugars and salts are present.
I do know that a banana or an apple instead of a packet of crisps is more filling, releases more energy and better for me.
I eat lots of things that are bad for me, I eat far too much butter and put way too much salt on my dinner, I have sugar in my tea, but I compensate by steaming what I can, eating fresh vegetables and fruit, not eating as many packets of crisps as I would like to, eating more white meat than red meat, eating a good proportion of fish in my diet, grilling not frying where possible, using my oven not my deep fat fryer when I can.

mids i think YOU really need to watch the program
deep fat fryer????? i don't own one, nor should anyone else when you realise what they do.
every time you use one it double saturates the fat and the food your cooking in it
my question would be if we know what all these foods do to us and our children then why don't the government do something about them like they did with smoking and drinking ????
watch the program and you would find out
its amusing to watch you fight your corner and how you think you right against probably 10 of the worlds most authorities on food contents and nutrition
i don't say watch it to prove anything. its an education and far more sinister than you think!!
now why would someone use certain sugars in foods which makes us eat more ...........dunno mids you might just have me on that one rolleyes
Quote by Asian_CoupleNW
Interesting points but I think I will have to add my pennies worth:
The issue is not as simple as greed and people eating too much. Firstly, obesity itself is a disease (not always, it is a fact that some obesity is caused by physiological disorder in the body but that according to medical studies accounts for only a small amount of the obesity problem) entity much like arthritis (you can be born with arthritis you cannot be born obese, you cannot cure the arthritis you are born with you can control overeating) or glaucoma and not just a manifestation of over eating. Man was not meant to have three set meals a day, hence the massive amount of heart disease out there in seemingly normal weight people. Therefore, most diseases are as a result of self-mutilation and that argument means anyone who has 'harmed' their body themselves for their personal indulgence should be treated unequally? What about the guy who enjoys reading and becomes short-sighted, (he buys glasses, NHS prescription glasses are a drop in the ocean of NHS costs, short sightedness does not prevent you working or entitle you to mobility or even disability benefits) or the one who plays rugby and regularly injures himself placing burden on the NHS and eventually needing joint replacements. (Professional sportsmen are rarely treated by the NHS, those who play for fun are no different to those who participate in recreational pastimes, the % of people requiring treatment after recreational pastime injuries are once again a small % of the NHS bill compared to the cost of obesity) Therefore, once you have denied care or forced your treatments upon the obese, then the smokers, (the Government charges smokers for their treatment with extra tax rates on smoking the average smoker pays more than £2500 per year in extra tax that non smokers don't pay) then the drinkers, you can simply go on and on. (see above for increased tax payments) Secondly, what about those patients who become obese secondary to another condition such as due to arthritis or back problems and so they can't exercise. (very few people become obese only because they are unable to exercise, there are exercise programs available to most disabled persons and shown to them during the natural course of treatment for their disablement) We then start giving people different grades of obesity based on their cause. And aren't we just the product of our genes - so genetic engineering must be the answer. (are you serious Genetic engineering of humans is against the law)
The truth is that obesity itself isn't the major problem, the problem is from the way society supports ill health. We are social animals and so ill health has a major social interaction, therefore our current state of obesity is not just down to individuals (though they have a major part) but society. Obesity is not the only thing we have, the long-term unemployed for mental illness and other physical illnesses such as chronic back pain are also massive burdens on society. As a point on the side, though back pain exists throughout the world, disability due to chronic back pain ONLY exists where there is a social security/compensation system with a western type healthcare system. People in the rainforests are bed bound due to TB and malaria but not chronic back pain, whereas here we have thousands off sick for life due to this. (something else we need to do something about, that doesn't mean we shouldn't have started with smokers then move to the next problem such as obesity, we certainly shouldn't e thinking "what's the point" one step at a time eh)
I am not saying that all people with such conditions are making their pain up, but the fact that we as a society reward this and fail to help people properly, simply because it is easier to do this and then blame them. Once you start rationing or forcing healthcare, or start blaming people for their illness then you are on a very slippery slope. Hence, each case must be taken as a seperate entity and our social system needs to change to help support people becoming valuable members of the society.
Anyway none of this really matters because our governments will make sure there is no NHS over the next decade (hopefully yes the sooner we get rid of the NHS as it is and switch to an insurance based medical system the better) along with no pensions, so we will probably be more like a third world country than any third world country already is.
OK so ciggerettes are bad for you so the Government increased taxes until people simply could not afford to smoke, (the brand I smoked now cost per packet).
So why don't we tax the things that are really bad for you, like chocolate and crisps ?
Ciggerettes are bad for you so the Government took control of exactly what they can say in their advertising campaigns, gone was Marlborough Man the face of health and strength out there on the open range and now we have pictures of what cancer and nictoine do to the body.
So why are others allowed to lie in their adverts
Take the current Kinder Chocolate bar advert which says such things as
"little treat - happy mum"
"a tasty treat equals happy tum"
"Invented for kids, approved by mums"
Surely that is misrepresentation without a need for legislation ?
So many adverts are blatant lies or at the least misleading, why aren't the manufacturers made to tell the truth about what problems they can cause like ciggerette manufacturers have to on their advertising.
Quote by MidsCouple24
OK so ciggerettes are bad for you so the Government increased taxes until people simply could not afford to smoke, (the brand I smoked now cost per packet).
So why don't we tax the things that are really bad for you, like chocolate and crisps ?
Ciggerettes are bad for you so the Government took control of exactly what they can say in their advertising campaigns, gone was Marlborough Man the face of health and strength out there on the open range and now we have pictures of what cancer and nictoine do to the body.
So why are others allowed to lie in their adverts
Take the current Kinder Chocolate bar advert which says such things as
"little treat - happy mum"
"a tasty treat equals happy tum"
"Invented for kids, approved by mums"
Surely that is misrepresentation without a need for legislation ?
So many adverts are blatant lies or at the least misleading, why aren't the manufacturers made to tell the truth about what problems they can cause like ciggerette manufacturers have to on their advertising.

if you read up i`ve already said this wink
Quote by Too Hot
I don't doubt what you say - but it is still personal choice for you to put the crap in your mouth in the first place. Many things are addictive, but people have to take responsibility for their own bodies and lives and that really is the bottom line.

So is that why you watched the "weight creep up" TH has you have admitted to in this thread? Seems you did not take too much responsibility yourself over your own eating patterns. So you must have known this at the time as a persons weight does not just creep up on a person, most people know this by the clothes they wear surely?
So are you now taking responsibility TH for the crap you put in your mouth as well, and why did you not read the advertising?
Quote by You
Weighing in at 19 stone and being comfortable because it was caused by big business is a pretty dumb train of thought. Whereas weighing in at 19 stone and actually making an effort to change your lifestyle and become fitter is a responsible thing to do.

Becoming 19 stone is irresponsible to yourself......period. Yes doing something about it is great, but getting to that point and then telling us we don't need food to survive etc and the other patronising stuff you have written, is a bit bloody rich to be honest.

Where did TH admit to being 19 stone?
I read it as an example, not a personal admission....
Well I'm 19 Stone...
Guess that' me fucked then eh ...
Quote by GnV

Where did TH admit to being 19 stone?
I read it as an example, not a personal admission....

Actually reading back you may have a point GnV. I just " presumed " that his admission of being overweight couples with the 19 stone comment......
But the point still stands.
Quote by Steve
Well I'm 19 Stone...
Guess that' me fucked then eh ...

Not necessarily Steve.
If you are 6ft 11 inches tall and big boned, then 19 stone would be about right. Buit if you are 5ft 4inches then the medical profession would say that indeed you do have a problem. Are you 6ft 11in btw Steve? :notes:
I am overweight, I am between 10 and 11 stones, not one of the heavyweights and not obese but I am aware that I am carry an extra few pounds or perhaps a stone, the weight is on my waist, I will it was on my arms and legs but it isn't so I know I am overweight, all my adult life I was only 8-9 stone (though very very fit).
I am doing something about it and though I am 58 I have taken up running again.
I will not become obese or even fat, I will cut out those crisps I love and the trifles, the fry up breakfasts and other things, this mornings breakfast is yoghurt and cereals.
I will not become a burden on the state and my friends.
Quote by starlightcouple

I don't doubt what you say - but it is still personal choice for you to put the crap in your mouth in the first place. Many things are addictive, but people have to take responsibility for their own bodies and lives and that really is the bottom line.

So is that why you watched the "weight creep up" TH has you have admitted to in this thread? Seems you did not take too much responsibility yourself over your own eating patterns. So you must have known this at the time as a persons weight does not just creep up on a person, most people know this by the clothes they wear surely?
So are you now taking responsibility TH for the crap you put in your mouth as well, and why did you not read the advertising?
Quote by You
Weighing in at 19 stone and being comfortable because it was caused by big business is a pretty dumb train of thought. Whereas weighing in at 19 stone and actually making an effort to change your lifestyle and become fitter is a responsible thing to do.

Becoming 19 stone is irresponsible to yourself......period. Yes doing something about it is great, but getting to that point and then telling us we don't need food to survive etc and the other patronising stuff you have written, is a bit bloody rich to be honest.
Do you have to try to be so thoroughly antagonistic and unpleasant - or does it just come naturally?
To act when you notice your weight creeping up is the right course of action and I can't see why you want spit out such a nasty post first thing in the morning.
It might also pay to read the posts that people have written before you heave your bile out in an attempt to ridicule them.
Quote by Too Hot
Do you have to try to be so thoroughly antagonistic and unpleasant - or does it just come naturally?

Maybe a tad antagonistic and realistic, but sometimes unpleasant can seem to be the word for someone who is simply telling the truth.
Quote by Too Hot
To act when you notice your weight creeping up is the right course of action and I can't see why you want spit out such a nasty post first thing in the morning.

If a person gets to 19 stone as an example, that is excessively overweight, and that kind of weight does not creep up on someone, that kind of weight someone knows about but ignores it until it impacts on their life in one way or another. It could be noticed by simply looking at holiday snaps of oneself.
Would it have been better had I written that post say at ten in the evening?
Quote by Too Hot
It might also pay to read the posts that people have written before you heave your bile out in an attempt to ridicule them.

Not ridiculing nobody, I actually take my hat off to anyone who realises they have a problem, and does something about it, as YOU point out often enough we are all responsible for our own self and the actions we take.
Quote by star
....we are all responsible for our own self and the actions we take.

So, if UKIP form a government and totally fuck the country up... We can blame you. right? :grin:
Quote by starlightcouple
Are you 6ft 11in btw Steve? :notes:

You've viewed my profile.....You tell me :-)
Quote by starlightcouple
Are you 6ft 11in btw Steve? :notes:

Quote by Steve
You've viewed my profile.....You tell me :-)

Nope and you don't look 19 stone either, and the Mrs thinks you ain't got a bad cock so not all bad Steve. wink
Quote by star
....we are all responsible for our own self and the actions we take.

Quote by GnV
So, if UKIP form a government and totally fuck the country up... We can blame you. right? :grin:

Is the country not already fucked up GnV? If it is not I would hate to live here if it got much worse.
Quote by flower411
The majority of people in this country have enough food and water and the vast majority have a place to live. If you seriously believe this is as bad as it can get, then you carry on and vote UKIP rolleyes

Did I say that? :roll:
Quote by MidsCouple24
I am overweight, I am between 10 and 11 stones, not one of the heavyweights and not obese but I am aware that I am carry an extra few pounds or perhaps a stone, the weight is on my waist, I will it was on my arms and legs but it isn't so I know I am overweight, all my adult life I was only 8-9 stone (though very very fit).
I am doing something about it and though I am 58 I have taken up running again.
I will not become obese or even fat, I will cut out those crisps I love and the trifles, the fry up breakfasts and other things, this mornings breakfast is yoghurt and cereals.
I will not become a burden on the state and my friends.

if i was you i would go see a doctor regards you inner health first
smoking...check
fry ups...check
crisps ...check
trifle ...check
heart attack on your first run because of high colestoral and blood pressure = instant burden to the state
so if i was you at your age i would go for a .......check..up wink
Quote by starlightcouple
If a person gets to 19 stone as an example, that is excessively overweight, and that kind of weight does not creep up on someone, that kind of weight someone knows about but ignores it until it impacts on their life in one way or another. It could be noticed by simply looking at holiday snaps of oneself.

Read the post................. Where the fuck have you got 19 stone from and just what is your problem with other people?
Forget it - don't answer.
Quote by Lizaleanrob
I am overweight, I am between 10 and 11 stones, not one of the heavyweights and not obese but I am aware that I am carry an extra few pounds or perhaps a stone, the weight is on my waist, I will it was on my arms and legs but it isn't so I know I am overweight, all my adult life I was only 8-9 stone (though very very fit).
I am doing something about it and though I am 58 I have taken up running again.
I will not become obese or even fat, I will cut out those crisps I love and the trifles, the fry up breakfasts and other things, this mornings breakfast is yoghurt and cereals.
I will not become a burden on the state and my friends.

if i was you i would go see a doctor regards you inner health first
smoking...check
fry ups...check
crisps ...check
trifle ...check
heart attack on your first run because of high colestoral and blood pressure = instant burden to the state
so if i was you at your age i would go for a .......check..up wink
You could well be right, but your not, not this time, I had my check up 4 weeks ago and surprisingly cholestral good, heart strong, body mass good, eyesight crap, all other bits seem to be in full working order, I do the bad things in moderation and do exercise daily, I don't drink (perhaps once or twice a month) I go for a 5 mile walk daily (about to change that to a run) spin upside down and round a dance pole a few times a week at the clubs and generally do ok for my age. Bearing in mind I am registered as a disabled person I think as I said, most things in moderation don't do you a lot of harm.
Quote by starlightcouple
Are you 6ft 11in btw Steve? :notes:

Quote by Steve
You've viewed my profile.....You tell me :-)

Nope and you don't look 19 stone either, and the Mrs thinks you ain't got a bad cock so not all bad Steve. wink
Alas I am as heavy as I claim :-( (although I carry it quite well I do have a bit of extra timber) redface
And please convey my thanks to Mrs Star for her compliment :-)
I'm now really not getting this thread
we have people who are or have been admittedly overweight complaining about people that are more overweight than them ..............Really!!!!!! loon
Quote by Lizaleanrob
I'm now really not getting this thread
we have people who are or have been admittedly overweight complaining about people that are more overweight than them ..............Really!!!!!! loon

Yep I thought that as well Rob.
It is simply not so much the crap people put in their mouths, as the amount of the crap. I for one cannot understand anyone who says their weight has crept up, as though they suddenly woke up one day and realised they were 5 stone overweight. Or by looking at a holiday snap of themselves. If a guy is a medium in trousers or t shirt, it does not take much to realise you have put weight on when those items become tight, and you have to start looking at a large size. But then around here there is a shop called " fat boys " where guys can go for an xxxxl. I wonder at what point when they realised the weight had crept up on them?
there are so many reasons for people being overweight. Sometimes a life event may send someone into depression and they comfort eat. Some people have a low self esteem and have eating is once again a comfort zone. Some people have a poor mobility and so put on weight as not active. I myself used to run marathons, and had a diet and appetite to go with it. As I was training 100 miles a week, not a problem as all was burned off. when ankles and knees started to creak and I stopped, the appetite was still there and was very difficult to adjust. Also maybe we need to look at the food manufacturers, and maybe tax anything above say 40% in fat !!! I looked other day at a packet of sausages in onion gravy. looked very nice....looked at fat level and was 79% !!! That's basically the daily allowance for a man !!! Just a little along was low fat range....and they had sausages in onion gravy...at 22%. Why the need for all that extra fat !!!
We should all be encouraged towards a healthy lifestyle, but please think a little before lumping all overweight people as being lazy, and simply sitting there and eating cakes and chocolate. It is more complex than that !!!