Yes, hands up, I plead guilty, I am not against organ donation but do not do anything about it.
Recently it has been suggested to the Government that they incentivise people like me to register for organ donation, the idea being that if I sign up the Government agrees to pay for a standard burial for me, whilst my family would be required to pay for the "extras" (more than one funeral car for mourners, a piper or whatever individuals have at these things, I don't know because I haven't had my funeral yet)
Now to me it seems a brilliant idea, and even one which will save the government money, Kidney dialysis machines are expensive, treating someone with a dialysis machine costs the NHS £50,000 per year, the waiting list for transplants is huge, the Government would save a fortune if more doners were available, so paying for the standard funeral would be a good way of cutting costs.
I would definetely sign up for it, it would be the incentive I need to make me go out and do it.
So what about you ? do you think it is a good idea, should we be telling the Government that we agree with the Medical authorities via facebook or twitter etc ? or should we leave it alone and if so why ?
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Orgasminator
in wales there is a proposal to 'opt out' i think this is a better solution to someone like you who has either not got round to it or like others dont think that it will happen to them till its too late
No No No you cannot do that it is so very wrong
So many people do NOT want to donate thier organs on death, some believe that being an organ donor the doctors wont try to save you as your death would benefit many people, som on religious grounds, others because they can't bear the thought of being cut open and bits removed, whatever thier reasons they have to be respected.
Unfortunately many people won't even know they have to opt out, some people have below average and even lower intelligence levels, who will make that decision for them, some cannot read, don't watch the news etc, me will simply forget to opt out, you cannot take that chance.
So many people do NOT want to donate thier organs on death, some believe that being an organ donor the doctors wont try to save you as your death would benefit many people, som on religious grounds, others because they can't bear the thought of being cut open and bits removed, whatever thier reasons they have to be respected.
Unfortunately many people won't even know they have to opt out, some people have below average and even lower intelligence levels, who will make that decision for them, some cannot read, don't watch the news etc, me will simply forget to opt out, you cannot take that chance.
Master of Sex
cool,lets scrap income tax and social security cos some people are too dim to understand it lol
Orgasminator
if people feel that strongly then they are more likely to opt out, it is proposed that they will still ask families as a matter of curtsy because as it is at the moment it is only a proposal.
myself i would like them to take whatever they like and can use, and my partner knows my feelings on this and would carry them out but as am not married it would be my mum who is my next of kin and has different views, should it be left to people who do not know you as well as you think they do or who have differing views to yourself be left to make that decision when so many are in need.
i doubt that you would be left to die in order to harvest the organs as its quite narrow the criteria for donating, ie not damaged and better still on life support before death, to give the organs a better shelf life.
as for forgetting to opt out ... i feel if this was the case then you dont really have that strong a dislike for organ donation and therefore let them take what they can use.. perhaps harsh but is you being buried/cremated whole worse than the possibility of saving another life or someone's sight? i dont think so
myself i would like them to take whatever they like and can use, and my partner knows my feelings on this and would carry them out but as am not married it would be my mum who is my next of kin and has different views, should it be left to people who do not know you as well as you think they do or who have differing views to yourself be left to make that decision when so many are in need.
i doubt that you would be left to die in order to harvest the organs as its quite narrow the criteria for donating, ie not damaged and better still on life support before death, to give the organs a better shelf life.
as for forgetting to opt out ... i feel if this was the case then you dont really have that strong a dislike for organ donation and therefore let them take what they can use.. perhaps harsh but is you being buried/cremated whole worse than the possibility of saving another life or someone's sight? i dont think so
Quote by MidsCouple24
No No No you cannot do that it is so very wrong
So many people do NOT want to donate thier organs on death, some believe that being an organ donor the doctors wont try to save you as your death would benefit many people, som on religious grounds, others because they can't bear the thought of being cut open and bits removed, whatever thier reasons they have to be respected.
Unfortunately many people won't even know they have to opt out, some people have below average and even lower intelligence levels, who will make that decision for them, some cannot read, don't watch the news etc, me will simply forget to opt out, you cannot take that chance.
i take your very good point about about individuals who may not have a rational to decide whether to opt out, but i have always taken the view that when you are dead you are dead, and if any of my worn out old body parts can be of use, then they are welcome to have them!
i signed up to organ donation online a couple of years back and would love to think that after my death, however it comes about, it would offer another the oppotunity to improve there life. Quote by annejohn
cool,lets scrap income tax and social security cos some people are too dim to understand it lol
Income Tax and Social Security payments are obligatory, there are organisations which offer advice on them, there are Government sponsored websites for advice, there are telephone helplines and the Citizens advice bureau, we are talking about something which is voluntary and charitable but with very few people offering advice about the pro's and con's of it, so I don't see the relevance of that comment.
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No No No you cannot do that it is so very wrong
So many people do NOT want to donate thier organs on death, some believe that being an organ donor the doctors wont try to save you as your death would benefit many people, som on religious grounds, others because they can't bear the thought of being cut open and bits removed, whatever thier reasons they have to be respected.
Unfortunately many people won't even know they have to opt out, some people have below average and even lower intelligence levels, who will make that decision for them, some cannot read, don't watch the news etc, me will simply forget to opt out, you cannot take that chance.
i take your very good point about about individuals who may not have a rational to decide whether to opt out, but i have always taken the view that when you are dead you are dead, and if any of my worn out old body parts can be of use, then they are welcome to have them!
i signed up to organ donation online a couple of years back and would love to think that after my death, however it comes about, it would offer another the oppotunity to improve there life.And I agree with you on all points, I do believe in organ donation and I do believe that when your dead your dead, many religious people think similar in that the body is no longer needed as you ascend to a spiritual plane, but many people are like me they believe in it but haven't got off thier arses and done something about it, so my question is wether the incentive scheme of reduced or free burial costs would be the kick up the pants we need, it would work for me, and I believe that it would save the government money in the long run.
Sex God
Sounds like a good idea. I also do not like the "opt-out or we'll take your bits" idea.
Another idea along the same lines is used in France. Apparently if you live within sight of a Nuclear Power Station you get your electricity for free. Seems they have very few objectors when they want to build a new one nearby your house.
J & S
Another idea along the same lines is used in France. Apparently if you live within sight of a Nuclear Power Station you get your electricity for free. Seems they have very few objectors when they want to build a new one nearby your house.
J & S
Quote by Geordiecpl2001
Sounds like a good idea. I also do not like the "opt-out or we'll take your bits" idea.
Another idea along the same lines is used in France. Apparently if you live within sight of a Nuclear Power Station you get your electricity for free. Seems they have very few objectors when they want to build a new one nearby your house.
J & S
We do operate a similar system in this country, in Fish n Chip shops located near to Sellafield Nuclear plant (which my dad built though he did have help) locally caught fish is cheaper than fish imported from other areas of the UK
- NO don't laugh it's actually true.And there is another good lesson to be learned from Sellafield, if your Company has a crap name for quality or safety, re-name it, as they did with Windscale, Bernard Mathews and MFI take note
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Sex God
I do believe in the opt out idea, but I wonder if there isn't another option ... make it a statutory requirement that the families of all recently deceased people are ASKED if they will allow organs to be harvested,sometimes a polite and sensitive request may be all that's required
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if people feel that strongly then they are more likely to opt out, it is proposed that they will still ask families as a matter of curtsy because as it is at the moment it is only a proposal.
myself i would like them to take whatever they like and can use, and my partner knows my feelings on this and would carry them out but as am not married it would be my mum who is my next of kin and has different views, should it be left to people who do not know you as well as you think they do or who have differing views to yourself be left to make that decision when so many are in need.
i doubt that you would be left to die in order to harvest the organs as its quite narrow the criteria for donating, ie not damaged and better still on life support before death, to give the organs a better shelf life.
as for forgetting to opt out ... i feel if this was the case then you dont really have that strong a dislike for organ donation and therefore let them take what they can use.. perhaps harsh but is you being buried/cremated whole worse than the possibility of saving another life or someone's sight? i dont think so
I am a funny bugger (everyone knows that) but with regards to harvesting me, they can have anything they want except my eyes, don't ask me why, it is just something in me that doesn't want to lose them, besides I doubt even a blind person would want my eyesight since the onslaught of old age :crazy: I did tell the doctor that they could have my willy for transplant but he told me that most people are looking for an improvement in size for that department so they probably wouldn't find anyone that needed it.
I agree with you in that I don't believe Doctors would let someone die just on the grounds of wanting thier organs (especially not my willy) but some people do think that way, my point on "opting out" is that many people will forget, will leave it and leave it until it is too late, I regularly get arrested and jailed for not producing vehicle documents or paying fines but I still do it, I never claim on insurance policies because I never get round to filling in the claim forms, I could have sued McDonalds for an injury once where in a previous pay-out someone had got half a million pounds for the same injury but I never got round to doing it ..... I have been to prison for not paying my TV licence which was not because I objected to paying it and so on.
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I do believe in the opt out idea, but I wonder if there isn't another option ... make it a statutory requirement that the families of all recently deceased people are ASKED if they will allow organs to be harvested,sometimes a polite and sensitive request may be all that's required
Again along the same lines, why are there no Blood Transfusion rooms at Hospitals? The National Blood Transfusion Service finds it hard to get donors, but if you'd just visited someone in hospital, say who had been in a crash and the Nurse explained that they had been given 10 pints of blood to survive. Then you might well roll up your sleeve if the Nurse then said "You can donate now at the room near reception".
J & S
Orgasminator
Quote by Geordiecpl2001
I do believe in the opt out idea, but I wonder if there isn't another option ... make it a statutory requirement that the families of all recently deceased people are ASKED if they will allow organs to be harvested,sometimes a polite and sensitive request may be all that's required
Again along the same lines, why are there no Blood Transfusion rooms at Hospitals? The National Blood Transfusion Service finds it hard to get donors, but if you'd just visited someone in hospital, say who had been in a crash and the Nurse explained that they had been given 10 pints of blood to survive. Then you might well roll up your sleeve if the Nurse then said "You can donate now at the room near reception".
J & S
i think 1 of the main reasons that the blood donation at hospitals is not carried out is that your records of giving and when last and tests carried out on it before using is centralised with the blood donation service, am sure some nurse will be able to clarify more details.
Orgasminator
Quote by MidsCouple24
if people feel that strongly then they are more likely to opt out, it is proposed that they will still ask families as a matter of curtsy because as it is at the moment it is only a proposal.
myself i would like them to take whatever they like and can use, and my partner knows my feelings on this and would carry them out but as am not married it would be my mum who is my next of kin and has different views, should it be left to people who do not know you as well as you think they do or who have differing views to yourself be left to make that decision when so many are in need.
i doubt that you would be left to die in order to harvest the organs as its quite narrow the criteria for donating, ie not damaged and better still on life support before death, to give the organs a better shelf life.
as for forgetting to opt out ... i feel if this was the case then you dont really have that strong a dislike for organ donation and therefore let them take what they can use.. perhaps harsh but is you being buried/cremated whole worse than the possibility of saving another life or someone's sight? i dont think so
I am a funny bugger (everyone knows that) but with regards to harvesting me, they can have anything they want except my eyes, don't ask me why, it is just something in me that doesn't want to lose them, besides I doubt even a blind person would want my eyesight since the onslaught of old age :crazy: I did tell the doctor that they could have my willy for transplant but he told me that most people are looking for an improvement in size for that department so they probably wouldn't find anyone that needed it.
I agree with you in that I don't believe Doctors would let someone die just on the grounds of wanting thier organs (especially not my willy) but some people do think that way, my point on "opting out" is that many people will forget, will leave it and leave it until it is too late, I regularly get arrested and jailed for not producing vehicle documents or paying fines but I still do it, I never claim on insurance policies because I never get round to filling in the claim forms, I could have sued McDonalds for an injury once where in a previous pay-out someone had got half a million pounds for the same injury but I never got round to doing it ..... I have been to prison for not paying my TV licence which was not because I objected to paying it and so on.
well perhaps its just not that important to them to register the opt out because if i feel that strongly about it i would make sure my name was off the list to take organs just as i am sure that for religious reasons on blood transfusions, living wills etc they make sure their views are known and if they 'dont get round to it' then tough shite lol
I can't help but think that it must be a horrible job for Doctors to have to ask the relatives of people who have just died if they can have thier bits, especially as time is of the essence and therefore has to be asked so soon after the bereavement has happened, I wouldn't want to do it and any system that can save them that task must help, it is bad enough that they have to give the bad news in the first place but then it is just adding another "bad moment" for the doctors.
Imagine telling the parents that thier 2 year old has just died and then asking for permission to use thier organs for transpant ...... ouch! and don't tell me Doctors are used to it because there are some things you just don't get used too. (for me it's the smoking ban)
Imagine telling the parents that thier 2 year old has just died and then asking for permission to use thier organs for transpant ...... ouch! and don't tell me Doctors are used to it because there are some things you just don't get used too. (for me it's the smoking ban)
Sex God
Quote by Geordiecpl2001
I do believe in the opt out idea, but I wonder if there isn't another option ... make it a statutory requirement that the families of all recently deceased people are ASKED if they will allow organs to be harvested,sometimes a polite and sensitive request may be all that's required
Again along the same lines, why are there no Blood Transfusion rooms at Hospitals? The National Blood Transfusion Service finds it hard to get donors, but if you'd just visited someone in hospital, say who had been in a crash and the Nurse explained that they had been given 10 pints of blood to survive. Then you might well roll up your sleeve if the Nurse then said "You can donate now at the room near reception".
J & S
There are specialist nurses employed by NHS Blood and Transplant, who each cover a number of hospitals and are on an on-call system. They are called out by hospitals when a person dies who meets the criteria for organ and tissue donation. Not every death would produce viable organs and tissue for donation which is why some dying people are kept on life support in order to keep the organs viable for transplant. Sometimes when a person is dying in intensive care, the hospitals will contact families to discuss donation but this is only when the medical staff know that there is absolutely nothing else that can be done for the patient and they will die in the near future. Sometimes the hospitals fail to contact these specialist nurses and part of the role of these nurses is to educate hospital based medical staff regarding the criteria for donation.
The specialist nurses are the people who approach the families to discuss the possibilily of donation (even if a patient is on the organ donation register and carries a card, they still need consent from the family) and this is why it is really important to discuss your wishes with your family whether you are on the organ donor register or not. Once the family agree to donation, the specialist nurse will inform the relevant people of possible organs being donated so that they can contact possible recipients. They call in specialist retrieval teams and stay with the donor throughout the retrieval to ensure that the dignity of the donor is upheld at all times. They will also provide 'keepsakes' for the family such as locks of hair, hand prints, etc. and ensure that the body is cleaned, hair washed and dressed as the family want. They are also there to provide emotional support for the donor's family. It really is a job and a half and one that takes a certain type of person to do. I know that I couldn't do it.
You can join the organ donor register online so there is no need to 'get off your arse' to register!
The link for this is here: You can choose what you do and don't want to donate (I also have a thing about my eyes!) Again, remember to discuss your wishes with your family as it all comes down to them when you die.
As for blood donation, some hospitals do have donor suites, although not many. As each donation has to be tested for blood grouping, HIV, Hep B, Hep C, Syphilis and HTLV prior to being released for use by hospitals, you wouldn't be able to donate and pass your blood onto a certain individual such as a family member if they had the sudden need to receive blood. Even if the blood was taken in a hospital donor suite, the blood still has to be sent to one of NHS Blood and Transplant's labs for testing as this isn't done in hospitals.
There is strict criteria for blood donors, as there is for organ donors which are constantly changing so just because you may have been told before that you cannot donate due to a certain medication you may be on, this may not still be the case so it's worth checking it out. Currently only 5% of the population who can donate do donate and this time of year blood stocks fall so now would be a good time to start!
You can register to give blood and find out where your nearest session is (in England and North Wales) here:
Excellent information much of which I did not know, but I think I will hang on a few months to see if someone will pay for my funeral in return, harsh, nah, I plan to live a long time yet anyway as there are a lot more people I still want to have sex with and I am poor, I live on a works pension for god's sake
Sex God
Quote by Dave__Notts
There are only two options that I can see.
Voluntary or Compulsory with an opt out clause.
The Compulsory seems to have the clauses in-built for religious or other reasons so there is no real problem to implement it.
Dave_Notts
Or the third option- if you can't be arsed or won't join the register then you go to the back of the queue should you need a transplant, behind the people who signed up
Quote by meat2pleaseu
There are only two options that I can see.
Voluntary or Compulsory with an opt out clause.
The Compulsory seems to have the clauses in-built for religious or other reasons so there is no real problem to implement it.
Dave_Notts
Or the third option- if you can't be arsed or won't join the register then you go to the back of the queue should you need a transplant, behind the people who signed up
3 Options, the compulsory, the personal choice and the personal choice (insentivesed as per the latest idea from my original post) but I do agree that as I am not currently registered to donate I should be at the back of the queue if I find myself in the situation of needing an organ transplant.
Sex God
Quote by MidsCouple24
Excellent information much of which I did not know, but I think I will hang on a few months to see if someone will pay for my funeral in return, harsh, nah, I plan to live a long time yet anyway as there are a lot more people I still want to have sex with and I am poor, I live on a works pension for god's sake
So you only belive in giving the gift of life if you get something in return? You wont even know, you'll be dead!
I do hope that if something happens to you and you need a transplant (touch wood you dont) that potential donor families don't have the same attitude as yours!
Sex God
Quote by meat2pleaseu
There are only two options that I can see.
Voluntary or Compulsory with an opt out clause.
The Compulsory seems to have the clauses in-built for religious or other reasons so there is no real problem to implement it.
Dave_Notts
Or the third option- if you can't be arsed or won't join the register then you go to the back of the queue should you need a transplant, behind the people who signed up
:thumbup: I'm liking this option!
Quote by Funlovers2009
Excellent information much of which I did not know, but I think I will hang on a few months to see if someone will pay for my funeral in return, harsh, nah, I plan to live a long time yet anyway as there are a lot more people I still want to have sex with and I am poor, I live on a works pension for god's sake
So you only belive in giving the gift of life if you get something in return? You wont even know, you'll be dead!
I do hope that if something happens to you and you need a transplant (touch wood you dont) that potential donor families don't have the same attitude as yours!
That is not what I said, if you are going to "have a go at my opinion and honesty" please have the courtesy to read what I write.
I said
I believe in organ donation
I will happily donate my organs (with the exception of my eyes)
But I also said, that in all honesty I often forget to register when I change address or country etc, like some other people in life (the real world) I am not great at "getting round to things" so I believe that an added incentive of having part of my funeral costs paid is a good idea for getting people like me motivated, as I only have a monthly income of £732 from my works pension I do worry that the cost of my funeral will be a burden on my family so yes it would be nice to get something out of it though not essential.
I used to give blood regularly but cannot do so these days for medical reasons.
we carry donor cards and we both know each others wishes.
this is a difficult subject but i beleeve it should be the reverse of what it is at the moment. in other words everyone should be put on the list unless they have opted out of it. the reeson is that as a friend of ours child is currently waiting for a liver operation, we can see how the child has degenerated over the last few months and how desperate the childs parents are for her to get better.
there is nothing worse than seeing your child suffer. please go on the donor list if you have thought about doing so. dont delay as it could save someones life.
this is a difficult subject but i beleeve it should be the reverse of what it is at the moment. in other words everyone should be put on the list unless they have opted out of it. the reeson is that as a friend of ours child is currently waiting for a liver operation, we can see how the child has degenerated over the last few months and how desperate the childs parents are for her to get better.
there is nothing worse than seeing your child suffer. please go on the donor list if you have thought about doing so. dont delay as it could save someones life.
Sex God
Quote by MidsCouple24
So you only belive in giving the gift of life if you get something in return? You wont even know, you'll be dead!
I do hope that if something happens to you and you need a transplant (touch wood you dont) that potential donor families don't have the same attitude as yours!
That is not what I said, if you are going to "have a go at my opinion and honesty" please have the courtesy to read what I write.
I said
I believe in organ donation
I will happily donate my organs (with the exception of my eyes)
But I also said, that in all honesty I often forget to register when I change address or country etc, like some other people in life (the real world) I am not great at "getting round to things" so I believe that an added incentive of having part of my funeral costs paid is a good idea for getting people like me motivated, as I only have a monthly income of £732 from my works pension I do worry that the cost of my funeral will be a burden on my family so yes it would be nice to get something out of it though not essential.
I used to give blood regularly but cannot do so these days for medical reasons.
Woah! Hang on a minute, I'm not having a go at anyone's opinions and honesty. You said originally and again in your last post that you are in support of organ donation but you just don't get around to registering. I provided information and a link, it can be done online. I can't force anyone to do it, I just provided information. You're reply to this was:
Quote by MidsCouple24
Excellent information much of which I did not know, but I think I will hang on a few months to see if someone will pay for my funeral in return.
In 'my opinion' I was justified in my response.
Yes it would be lovely to think that if you give the gift of life when you die that your family will not be burdened with funeral costs, especially in light of the current financial difficulties, but personally I think there would be uproar if they did a cut off date to when this applied. Could you imagine saying to some families "I'm sorry, we can't pay for your husband/wife/mother/father's funeral as they joined the organ donation register prior to March 2012" (or whatever date they decide). They would loose so many donors! I therefore don't see why waiting will make any difference.
Sex God
Quote by MidsCouple24
And I also said that I agreed that should I need a transplant I should quite rightly be at the back of the queue, so all you had to say was "we agree you should be at the back of the queue" what you wrote was certainly in a disaproving and aggressive manner.
I'm sorry that you have taken what I said in the way that you did. It certainly wasn't intended as such. Maybe you should read the actual words instead of between the lines?
