Osama Bin Laden is dead!

3 May 2011

Quote by starlightcouple
"How on earth did OBL manage to live in Pakistan for so long undetected?"

in my opinion pakistan new. It reely is as simple as that. Cameron got into trouble i believe by insinuating that they should do more.

pakistan are no friend of the west and to think they have nuclear wepons. scary .
Firstly as far as I know they dont have the capacity to fire the nukes anywhere other than their immediate neighbors. Secondly if they did have then its bad form to nuke your cousins and brothers etc living in the UK biggrin

3 May 2011

I have no sympathy for OBL, yet I can not help but feel some what uncomfortable with what has happened.
Should this criminal not have been arrested, brought to trial where we could then see he is who they say he is and then evidence of his crimes be brought before the court?
Another thing that does not sit well with me is seeing the celebration's of his death, I was not happy to see celebrations of the death of people in the twin towers and I am equally unhappy with these.

3 May 2011

Quote by Bluefish2009
I have no sympathy for OBL, yet I can not help but feel some what uncomfortable with what has happened.
Should this criminal not have been arrested, brought to trial where we could then see he is who they say he is and then evidence of his crimes be brought before the court?Another thing that does not sit well with me is seeing the celebration's of his death, I was not happy to see celebrations of the death of people in the twin towers and I am equally unhappy with these.

Yes in a perfect world but it would appear he didn't want to be taken alive. What were the Americans supposed to do in that situation?
I agree entirely with you regarding the celebrations, thoroughly demeaning.

3 May 2011

Quote by Max777
I have no sympathy for OBL, yet I can not help but feel some what uncomfortable with what has happened.
Should this criminal not have been arrested, brought to trial where we could then see he is who they say he is and then evidence of his crimes be brought before the court?Another thing that does not sit well with me is seeing the celebration's of his death, I was not happy to see celebrations of the death of people in the twin towers and I am equally unhappy with these.

Yes in a perfect world but it would appear he didn't want to be taken alive. What were the Americans supposed to do in that situation?
I agree entirely with you regarding the celebrations, thoroughly demeaning.
I have not seen or heard that he resisted, if that is the case then so be it, but I was under the impression he was cowering behind a woman, I must admit to not have had time to read or see very much on the actual act, only what I have caught in passing

3 May 2011

Quote by Bluefish2009
I have no sympathy for OBL, yet I can not help but feel some what uncomfortable with what has happened.
Should this criminal not have been arrested, brought to trial where we could then see he is who they say he is and then evidence of his crimes be brought before the court?Another thing that does not sit well with me is seeing the celebration's of his death, I was not happy to see celebrations of the death of people in the twin towers and I am equally unhappy with these.

Yes in a perfect world but it would appear he didn't want to be taken alive. What were the Americans supposed to do in that situation?
I agree entirely with you regarding the celebrations, thoroughly demeaning.
I have not seen or heard that he resisted, if that is the case then so be it, but I was under the impression he was cowering behind a woman, I must admit to not have had time to read or see very much on the actual act, only what I have caught in passing
It doesn't matter what is reported. No verifiable evidence will ever see the light of day. So we can each choose what happened - fought bravely, cowered behind a woman, was on the toilet at the time, etc etc etc. It may not even have happened. Capturing OBL is a very useful thing for the US Pres to announce. Who can prove OBL ever existed? Who can prove it was actually him that was found. Who can prove he was killed and buried at sea?
Personally I will choose to believe he wasn't alone in leading and promoting terrorism and his loss will have little or no effect on the ability to hurt us. I also believe we are in infinitely more danger from car accidents, domestic crime and sheer accident. I also chose to believe that the vast majority of humans (of all colours and creeds) would far rather get on with living their lives than interfering with other people's lives.

3 May 2011

Quote by Max777
Yes in a perfect world but it would appear he didn't want to be taken alive. What were the Americans supposed to do in that situation?
I agree entirely with you regarding the celebrations, thoroughly demeaning.

Use a taser? There were no armed guard, it is reported...
They (the Americans) wanted him dead, period. The helicopter on fire is more than likely the usual American forces blue on blue fuck-up which they attempted to cover up :shock:
Fact is, they have now reawakened a sleeping giant (as the Japs said of the Americans at Pearl Harbour) and the viciousness of this giant will know no bounds...
Ordinary people were questioning the need for the continued level of airport security; killing OBL re-established the need and with it, the enormous budgets they are voting.
I'm no supporter of terrorist organisations but the assassination (murder some say) of OBL was gratuitous in the extreme in my opinion (no different to the Americans instructing the Iraqi courts to find Saddam guilty and hang him) and probably totally unnecessary as he was a spent force anyway with little or no power or influence in the affairs of modern terrorism.
They could have continued to keep tabs on him at a fraction of the cost the western alliances will now attempt to justify in extra "security" costs and if he ever popped his head over the parapet, they could have shot him quietly without all the fuss this will now cause.
Respecting his Muslim burial rights, my arse... rolleyes

3 May 2011

Quote by GnV
Yes in a perfect world but it would appear he didn't want to be taken alive. What were the Americans supposed to do in that situation?
I agree entirely with you regarding the celebrations, thoroughly demeaning.

Use a taser? There were no armed guard, it is reported...
They (the Americans) wanted him dead, period. The helicopter on fire is more than likely the usual American forces blue on blue fuck-up which they attempted to cover up :shock:
Fact is, they have now reawakened a sleeping giant (as the Japs said of the Americans at Pearl Harbour) and the viciousness of this giant will know no bounds...
Ordinary people were questioning the need for the continued level of airport security; killing OBL re-established the need and with it, the enormous budgets they are voting.
I'm no supporter of terrorist organisations but the assassination (murder some say) of OBL was gratuitous in the extreme in my opinion (no different to the Americans instructing the Iraqi courts to find Saddam guilty and hang him) and probably totally unnecessary as he was a spent force anyway with little or no power or influence in the affairs of modern terrorism.
They could have continued to keep tabs on him at a fraction of the cost the western alliances will now attempt to justify in extra "security" costs and if he ever popped his head over the parapet, they could have shot him quietly without all the fuss this will now cause.
Respecting his Muslim burial rights, my arse... rolleyes

According to reports I read, he was killed after a firefight. Would you have gone in with a taser?
Which ordinary people were questioning the need for the continued level of airport security? I work in the travel sector and no one that I know is asking this question. Think of the Yemeni printer cartridge bombs of a few months ago. The terrorist threat had not gone away.
To be honest, I don't care whether the Americans wanted him dead or not..........he didn't give a fuck for the thousands that died during the attack on 9/11 nor did he respect any of their burial rights....Muslims included!

3 May 2011

Aye, an eye for eye, a tooth for a tooth...
That doctrine has solved a lot of problems over the years, not...
As for airport checks, I recently remember seeing some coverage showing a 9 year old Caucasian girl being strip searched in security in the States for a local flight...
The security people love it because it keeps them in a high paid low grade job. The travellers tell a different story Max.

3 May 2011

Quote by GnV
Aye, an eye for eye, a tooth for a tooth...
That doctrine has solved a lot of problems over the years, not...
As for airport checks, I recently remember seeing some coverage showing a 9 year old Caucasian girl being strip searched in security in the States for a local flight...
The security people love it because it keeps them in a high paid low grade job. The travellers tell a different story Max.

Travellers want to be safe. End of. We will never go back to the security levels prior to 9/11

3 May 2011

Quote by Max777
Aye, an eye for eye, a tooth for a tooth...
That doctrine has solved a lot of problems over the years, not...
As for airport checks, I recently remember seeing some coverage showing a 9 year old Caucasian girl being strip searched in security in the States for a local flight...
The security people love it because it keeps them in a high paid low grade job. The travellers tell a different story Max.

Travellers want to be safe. End of. We will never go back to the security levels prior to 9/11
I agree Max, but do you think those travelers are safer this week than they were last week?
I would hazard a guess they are less safe

3 May 2011

Quote by Max777
Aye, an eye for eye, a tooth for a tooth...
That doctrine has solved a lot of problems over the years, not...
As for airport checks, I recently remember seeing some coverage showing a 9 year old Caucasian girl being strip searched in security in the States for a local flight...
The security people love it because it keeps them in a high paid low grade job. The travellers tell a different story Max.

Travellers want to be safe. End of. We will never go back to the security levels prior to 9/11
So then, in order to be safe, a 737 with over 200 passengers on board crash lands and all are killed because the flight deck is secure but the crew have asphyxiated because their air supply has diminished. No-one can get in to revive them or take over control of the airplane to land safely.
Impressive.
A gentleman of dubious intent packs his underpants with explosives on Christmas day and manages to breach airport security and board the flight.
Impressive.
I want to take ½ litre bottle of water in my cabin luggage and it's refused, but I can take the same material I buy in the air-side shop on board with me (profits for the airline).
Impressive.
Who you trying to kid Max?

4 May 2011

Quote by GnV
Aye, an eye for eye, a tooth for a tooth...
That doctrine has solved a lot of problems over the years, not...
As for airport checks, I recently remember seeing some coverage showing a 9 year old Caucasian girl being strip searched in security in the States for a local flight...
The security people love it because it keeps them in a high paid low grade job. The travellers tell a different story Max.

Travellers want to be safe. End of. We will never go back to the security levels prior to 9/11
So then, in order to be safe, a 737 with over 200 passengers on board crash lands and all are killed because the flight deck is secure but the crew have asphyxiated because their air supply has diminished. No-one can get in to revive them or take over control of the airplane to land safely.
Impressive.
A gentleman of dubious intent packs his underpants with explosives on Christmas day and manages to breach airport security and board the flight.
Impressive.
I want to take ½ litre bottle of water in my cabin luggage and it's refused, but I can take the same material I buy in the air-side shop on board with me (profits for the airline).
Impressive.
Who you trying to kid Max?
I'm not trying to kid anyone. We can all probably cite instances where security has been lax but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't have that security, in fact quite the opposite as it highlights it's necessity. Water bought airside would result in profits for which ever concession sold it not for an airline. This ban was introduced following an attempt to smuggle liquid explosives on board an aircraft, it has nothing to do with profits. Airport Security may well be a pain in the preverbial but unfortunately it's a necessity that won't disappear any time soon.

4 May 2011

Quote by Bluefish2009
Aye, an eye for eye, a tooth for a tooth...
That doctrine has solved a lot of problems over the years, not...
As for airport checks, I recently remember seeing some coverage showing a 9 year old Caucasian girl being strip searched in security in the States for a local flight...
The security people love it because it keeps them in a high paid low grade job. The travellers tell a different story Max.

Travellers want to be safe. End of. We will never go back to the security levels prior to 9/11
I agree Max, but do you think those travelers are safer this week than they were last week?
I would hazard a guess they are less safe
Yes I would agree with you Blue and I'm sure that I said words to that effect at the beginning of this thread. IMHO, they wouldn't be any safer had he been taken alive though as I'm sure that would have led to reprisals to attempt to free him.

4 May 2011

Quote by Max777
Aye, an eye for eye, a tooth for a tooth...
That doctrine has solved a lot of problems over the years, not...
As for airport checks, I recently remember seeing some coverage showing a 9 year old Caucasian girl being strip searched in security in the States for a local flight...
The security people love it because it keeps them in a high paid low grade job. The travellers tell a different story Max.

Travellers want to be safe. End of. We will never go back to the security levels prior to 9/11
I agree Max, but do you think those travelers are safer this week than they were last week?
I would hazard a guess they are less safe
Yes I would agree with you Blue and I'm sure that I said words to that effect at the beginning of this thread. IMHO,they wouldn't be any safer had he been taken alive thoughas I'm sure that would have led to reprisals to attempt to free him.
Probably quite true Max, but I still find what they have done hard to except. If he resisted then that makes things easyer to stomoch, but if not, then to me, what they have done is murder, and make them no better than he was, IMO....

4 May 2011

Quote by Bluefish2009
Probably quite true Max, but I still find what they have done hard to except. If he resisted then that makes things easyer to stomoch, but if not, then to me, what they have done is murder, and make them no better than he was, IMO....

Depends on who you are on about. If it's the guys who pulled the trigger, then they are trained killers, trained to obey orders.
It's further up the tree you may need to look....

5 May 2011

Quote by essex34m

Probably quite true Max, but I still find what they have done hard to except. If he resisted then that makes things easyer to stomoch, but if not, then to me, what they have done is murder, and make them no better than he was, IMO....

Depends on who you are on about. If it's the guys who pulled the trigger, then they are trained killers, trained to obey orders.
It's further up the tree you may need to look....
:thumbup:

5 May 2011

It now appears that the only people shooting inside the house were SEAL operatives.
Looks like once again the good old U.S.A. took it upon themselves to be (judge, jury and executioners)
OBL was unarmed and no gun fire was returned by anyone.
Makes them no different than any other organization in my book.

5 May 2011

And now the Pakistani authorities are more than miffed with the Americans over this incident.

5 May 2011

Quote by robbo-bi1
It now appears that the only people shooting inside the house were SEAL operatives.
Looks like once again the good old U.S.A. took it upon themselves to be (judge, jury and executioners)
OBL was unarmed and no gun fire was returned by anyone.
Makes them no different than any other organization in my book.

assassination is the word your reaching for,.......... and a necessary one unfortunately :neutral:

6 May 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob
It now appears that the only people shooting inside the house were SEAL operatives.
Looks like once again the good old U.S.A. took it upon themselves to be (judge, jury and executioners)
OBL was unarmed and no gun fire was returned by anyone.
Makes them no different than any other organization in my book.

assassination is the word your reaching for,.......... and a necessary one unfortunately :neutral:
Wasn't quite assassination, more COLD BLOODED MURDER !!!!!!!!!

6 May 2011

and so well deseved

6 May 2011

Can't see that the USA has done anything they need to apologise to anyone about.
John

6 May 2011

Quote by Geordiecpl2001
Can't see that the USA has done anything they need to apologise to anyone about.
John

Storming into someone's back yard, and what appears to be an unlawful killing? I'd say there is enough to be apologising for, especially to the Pakistani authorities, and to the coalition in general. The hunt for Bin Laden has taken 10 years, and a number of countries have tugged on the coat tails of America's vendetta, pumping enormous resources into what has effectively been a fruitless manhunt.
America had the intel, they performed the mission, they took the glory. But it is now being reported that Al-Qaida has now vowed to seek revenge on the U.S. and it's allies (which includes the UK) as well as reports claiming the U.S. had Bin Laden monitored for months.
I'd say they have a lot to apologise for, especially as it is now my view, that the Americans will now see this as largely job done, so if (for arguments sake) there was a serious terrorist attack on the U.K tomorrow, I can imagine the American's saying the usual "it is an abhorrent attack" speech, but would give no further support.
Yes, I'd say they have a lot to apologise for.

6 May 2011

Quote by flower411
Can't see that the USA has done anything they need to apologise to anyone about.
John

Storming into someone's back yard, and what appears to be an unlawful killing? I'd say there is enough to be apologising for, especially to the Pakistani authorities, and to the coalition in general. The hunt for Bin Laden has taken 10 years, and a number of countries have tugged on the coat tails of America's vendetta, pumping enormous resources into what has effectively been a fruitless manhunt.
America had the intel, they performed the mission, they took the glory. But it is now being reported that Al-Qaida has now vowed to seek revenge on the U.S. and it's allies (which includes the UK) as well as reports claiming the U.S. had Bin Laden monitored for months.
I'd say they have a lot to apologise for, especially as it is now my view, that the Americans will now see this as largely job done, so if (for arguments sake) there was a serious terrorist attack on the U.K tomorrow, I can imagine the American's saying the usual "it is an abhorrent attack" speech, but would give no further , I'd say they have a lot to apologise for.
Unless it was an attack by the Irish !
Then they`d be funding the whole operation.
Would that be NORAID or McDonald's?

6 May 2011

Any attacks which may happen would have happened anyway, just the label will be different. Instead of the attack being "because the west is on a crusade against Islam" it will now be "in revenge for the killing of OBL".
John

6 May 2011

Quote by robbo-bi1
OBL was unarmed and no gun fire was returned by anyone.

so was over three thousand inocent peeple in the twin towers.
or neither were the london victims either.
i am sure the familys of those who lost loved ones by OBL own hands would be comforted by your words.

Quote by essex34m
Yes, I'd say they have a lot to apologise for.

do you?
in this instance too wrongs do make a right. the americans in my view were more than justified in there actions and as for pakistan i am glad they were not in formed of the americans actions as i am sure if pakistan were aware then i would bet a years money that OBL would not have been there. the pakistanis would have tipped him off.
you say about how Al-Qaida are going to seak revenge, america sought there own revenge by getting OBL. revenge for what? the americans are right in seeking revenge for 9/11. the fish are having a good meel tonight.

7 May 2011

well....let me say I think the world is a better place without Bin Laden in it. Those that live by the sword, must be prepared to die by the sword. I have no problem with him been killed. I would not want a long drawn out trial, at a massive cost, where he would have been given the opportunity to speak and spoat his hated, and maybe even use codewords, for certain secret terrorist operations to take place.
However what I do not like is the mis-information. If we had been told they had found him, and shot him dead, Then I would of simply said good. But the first news coming out of the whitehouse, was that the president watched it as it happened; they had a massive gun fight; Bin Laden himself was armed; he used wife and children as shields. All of which we now find to be totally untrue !!
I really do think, the Americans have missed an opportunity here.
instead of simply rejoicing at getting rid of an evil terrorist, we are wondering about what really happened, and giving people the opportunity to question the whole operation.

7 May 2011

Personally dont think the killing of Bin Laden will make any difference at all because there will be somebody waiting to step in to his shoes and carry on the evil deeds of Al Qaeda and the killing wont stop. Certainly think there wil be a backlash in America and some sort of attack will happen very soon. Dont think the cheering and gloating all over America helped and holding signs saying "Obama 1 Osama 0". Look at the joy of killing Saddam Hussain and the "we got him" statement by George W Bush yet Iraq is still a country in turmoil and the killings go on daily.

7 May 2011

Quote by AlanStone
Personally dont think the killing of Bin Laden will make any difference at all because there will be somebody waiting to step in to his shoes and carry on the evil deeds of Al Qaeda and the killing wont stop. Certainly think there wil be a backlash in America and some sort of attack will happen very soon. Dont think the cheering and gloating all over America helped and holding signs saying "Obama 1 Osama 0". Look at the joy of killing Saddam Hussain and the "we got him" statement by George W Bush yet Iraq is still a country in turmoil and the killings go on daily.

They say that history repeats itself, and it certainly did here. The words used when they found Saddam are the same for OBL. The net result is the same and the future will be no different.
At least with Saddam, they made a reasonable attempt at lawful killing after holding a sham trial wink