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Quote by kentswingers777
Can you be that towards whites? As a police officer that I knew said they do not take seriously any allegations of racism towards white people.
That was Leeds constabulary's take on that.

Sure they can, if one race decides that they are superior to another then its racism. Pure and simple.
Quote by GnV
A quote from here:-
"The Muslim birth rate in Europe is three times higher than the non-Muslim one. If current trends continue, the Muslim population of Europe will nearly double by 2015, while the non-Muslim population will shrink by 3.5 percent."
I'm moving to Alaska.


Apparently europe has a population of 1/2 million of these 3-4% are of non european descent so doubling this small percentage would still leave them as a tiny percentage of the total population...it's easy to distort the truth in order to advance your agenda..the B.N.P. are seasoned pros at it
Actually, I took my quote from a muslim publication, written by muslims for muslims. I don't bother quoting from such an unreliable source as wankipedia - even my cat says it's unreliable, but he's 15 years old which in human years makes him 105, so a fairly wise cat. Work our for yourself what the muslim population will be in 2020 using the above rates (you can use fingers AND toes).
That comment is so anti-French... :shock:
You do know that the French numbering system was devised by Napoleon who was basically innumerate and could only add up as far as 20 using fingers and toes, didn't you? wink
So, as well as being just slightly short of racism, your comment is also against the educationally challenged lol
I never knew that - who says SH can't be educational?? My humble apologies to the entire French nation (except Eric Cantona).
Did you know Napoleon preferred his women to be "ripe"? He would send a message to Josephine before he was due to return from an away-trip "I am returning, do not bathe". Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, gamey!!!
Quote by Mr-Powers
Hi Try3...ready to say sorry for being racist towards us white folk earlier on in this thread yet?

Since when did the white folks on here appoint you as there spokesman for you to ask me for an apology on their behalf? If are not capable of accepting the opinions and views of others then that is your problem not mine. There are comments on here that I and many others may find offensive but that is the nature of the subject and I suggest you deal with it and grow up.
Quote by Rogue_trader
Can you be that towards whites? As a police officer that I knew said they do not take seriously any allegations of racism towards white people.
That was Leeds constabulary's take on that.

Sure they can, if one race decides that they are superior to another then its racism. Pure and simple.
I did not know that was the only way you could be racist. confused:
I made comments on immigration and was branded a racist. That is not being superior to others.
Quote by kentswingers777
I made comments on immigration and was branded a racist. That is not being superior to others.

Your comments you made were not racist.
Immigration Control is not any form of racism unless the way you instigate it is by purporting to be superior. i.e Aryan race is superior to all others therefore extermination is the only course of action...thats an example of immigration control by racism.
The comments you made were not racist in the slightest.
Quote by Try2
Hi Try3...ready to say sorry for being racist towards us white folk earlier on in this thread yet?

Since when did the white folks on here appoint you as there spokesman for you to ask me for an apology on their behalf? If are not capable of accepting the opinions and views of others then that is your problem not mine. There are comments on here that I and many others may find offensive but that is the nature of the subject and I suggest you deal with it and grow up.
I don't care about anyone else...i want the apology for me...you made two racist remarks...and quite clearly seem to have got away with it...as for you being offended by remarks on here...were they deemed racist or just not to your liking?
Quote by Rogue_trader
what a lot of folks forget was that in the post war reconstruction of Europe, there was a massive labour shortage and the Europeans called on populations right across the globe to come to Europe and help rebuild.
When they came and helped rebuild they stayed, and their families, a couple of generations on, are still coming over to families they have across here.
What right have we once we had convinced them to come and help rebuild to say please go home as we're full?
Surely a different economic model and demographic model is required to help the global population shift and therefore enhance Europes population increase?
The 10 million point increase on our population is going to have many effects but the biggest burden isn't going to be from migrant workers/immigrants/asylum seekers but from our own aging population. it is estimated that at the current growth rate that we will have a 3 fold increase from 1 million to over 3 million people over the age of 85 who will require care, benefits, housing and the pension costs associated with it. The cost of this is paid for by NI and TAX, therefore we have to increase the number of workers to produce this NI and TAX increase.
Migrants, economic or otherwise, tend to be young and of workable age. Our population is getting older and less able and thereby we will need a younger populace and since we can't produce this labour force ourselves because of our declining child bearing population. Migrants will be required to fulfill the gap.
Our country remains at a population increase of including migrants this is a lot lower than the 2.1 required for sustaining the country.

I've not seen anyone on here advocating for migrants or descendents of migrants to be sent back home......if that was the case I'd have to go and join GNV in France. :shock:
The second paragraph of your post that I have highlighted is exactly what's required not just the open door policy that we currently have. Just because things have always worked out in the past does not mean that they will continue to do so.
Yes we do face an ageing population problem but I'm not convinced that the UK will be able to provide sufficient jobs for all those that will be required to support the ageing population( including me!) We may have to find a new economic model for that...any many other things besides.
Obviously there are many variables to factor in over the next 40 years, not least climate change, wars, the exhaustion of fossil fuel supplies etc, all of which could have a major impact on future population levels.
I'm not going to quote you Max, as I totally agree.
The first section you highlighted in my post was not aimed at anyone on here, as no-one has made any comments along those lines BUT that is the sentiments exclaimed by far right groups hence the use of the Royal "WE" as they think they speak for the whole of Britain which is clearly not the case.
The second section you highlighted and replied to is the most important. the open door policy we appear to have got ourselves into with the current problems is not helping and something along the likes of Australia's immigration model would be preferable.
This model has a similar points system that is being rolled out, but dependent on what that country requires in the way of increasing/decreasing its population changes on a year by year basis.
This makes Australia's immigration policy flexible and workable therefore benefiting the whole of the country. This doesn't make it racism as it applies to all migrants.
Quote by Rogue_trader
I made comments on immigration and was branded a racist. That is not being superior to others.

Your comments you made were not racist.
Immigration Control is not any form of racism unless the way you instigate it is by purporting to be superior. i.e Aryan race is superior to all others therefore extermination is the only course of action...thats an example of immigration control by racism.
The comments you made were not racist in the slightest.
Well I never heard many say they were not when I was " accused " of being one for making them very statements, a few days ago.
I remember a politician saying about immigration a couple of years back, and the lefties accusing him of being a racist....seems different things to different people I suppose.
Quote by Try2
Hi Try3...ready to say sorry for being racist towards us white folk earlier on in this thread yet?

Since when did the white folks on here appoint you as there spokesman for you to ask me for an apology on their behalf? If are not capable of accepting the opinions and views of others then that is your problem not mine. There are comments on here that I and many others may find offensive but that is the nature of the subject and I suggest you deal with it and grow up.
Nobody did but I think had a similar comment like you made, been made by me towards say black people, I would have been vilified....and quite rightly so.
I agree with Powers about as often as a green full moon, but on this occasion I think he has a very valid point, and I cannot understand why that comment was allowed to stand, as it would not have been had it been aimed at blacks.
Sorry that is how I see it.
I do not think you did yourself any favours with comments like that tbh.
Quote by Rogue_trader
I'm not going to quote you Max, as I totally agree.
The first section you highlighted in my post was not aimed at anyone on here, as no-one has made any comments along those lines BUT that is the sentiments exclaimed by far right groups hence the use of the Royal "WE" as they think they speak for the whole of Britain which is clearly not the case.
The second section you highlighted and replied to is the most important. the open door policy we appear to have got ourselves into with the current problems is not helping and something along the likes of Australia's immigration model would be preferable.
This model has a similar points system that is being rolled out, but dependent on what that country requires in the way of increasing/decreasing its population changes on a year by year basis.
This makes Australia's immigration policy flexible and workable therefore benefiting the whole of the country. This doesn't make it racism as it applies to all migrants.

:thumbup:
History has shown us that the "give 'em 5 bob and pack 'em off home" mentality doesn't work.
It was considered in France in 1973, following in the steps of other European Countries, after the (then) oil crisis provoked a recession and unemployment rose as a consequence.
En France, President Valéry Giscard d'Estaing of the centre right political persuasion placed severe restrictions on immigration while in office offering immigrants money to return to their country of origin. The measures were largely ineffective but it was this that gave Jean-Marie Le Pen (The then little regarded French Front National) an unwelcome popularity surge extending over 30 years later to the point of the second stage "run-off" for the Presidency against Jacques Chirac in 2002 following tactical voting to oust Lionel Jospin, the left wing candidate.
He nearly won :shock:
And, of course, we know the history and effect in the UK following Enoch Powell's "Rivers of Blood" speech.
This is dangerous territory.
Don't wish for something in politics you might later regret!
Quote by SlurpySarah
A quote from here:-
"The Muslim birth rate in Europe is three times higher than the non-Muslim one. If current trends continue, the Muslim population of Europe will nearly double by 2015, while the non-Muslim population will shrink by 3.5 percent."
I'm moving to Alaska.


Apparently europe has a population of 1/2 million of these 3-4% are of non european descent so doubling this small percentage would still leave them as a tiny percentage of the total population...it's easy to distort the truth in order to advance your agenda..the B.N.P. are seasoned pros at it
Actually, I took my quote from a muslim publication, written by muslims for muslims. I don't bother quoting from such an unreliable source as wankipedia - even my cat says it's unreliable, but he's 15 years old which in human years makes him 105, so a fairly wise cat. Work our for yourself what the muslim population will be in 2020 using the above rates (you can use fingers AND toes).




as far as I can tell wikipedia isn't the only source for these figures...I used it because it was the shortest and most pertinent article....the muslim press can be just as shit as any other, or are you suggesting that you're more prepared to believe it than the other dross i'm sure you could quote
P,S. that's non european descent NOT muslim they represent a fraction of the total figure
P.P.S. just got round to doing the sum 13% is still a small minority
And before we all forget here is a picture of what makes us British.... ......nothing else just the possession or legal right to bear one of these
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
And before we all forget here is a picture of what makes us British.... else just the possession or legal right to bear one of these

I class myself as English actually. wink
Quote by kentswingers777
And before we all forget here is a picture of what makes us British.... else just the possession or legal right to bear one of these

I class myself as English actually. wink
I'm English too.
I'm an Englishman in France....
But I'm also European, whether I like it not - so why not exploit it?
Quote by kentswingers777
And before we all forget here is a picture of what makes us British.... else just the possession or legal right to bear one of these

I class myself as English actually. wink
Do want an English passport?
:wink:
You can't get a ENGLISH passport so I'm afraid you're British like it or not.....it's nation not tribe that counts in these things
The Passport does not MAKE anyone British. It does IDENTIFY them as such.
What makes them British is birth (usually) or acceptance under Government rules.
And, like others, I identify more with the idea of being English (or historically Viking if you like) but not really British. I could take US citizenship and no longer be a British citizen, but I would always consider myself English regardless of which Government I pay taxes to.
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
You can't get a ENGLISH passport so I'm afraid you're British like it or not.....it's nation not tribe that counts in these things

Well seeing as I dont have a passport nor require one I will be English then :-)
max777, i deeply regret and i am very sorry for giving you the impression that i was patronising you or anyone else. i must also apologise for coming across as superior to you or anyone else, as i certainly am not ! my only mitigation that i ask you to accept in the spirit of cordiality, is that it was and is not my intention.
coming back to my question and because i have no wish to argue about the sources of either of our figures or research. do you think that yours or anyone else's quality of life, material condition, would improve now or in the future if imigration was slowed down, reduced, stopped or reversed ?
Quote by foxylady2209
The Passport does not MAKE anyone British. It does IDENTIFY them as such.
What makes them British is birth (usually) or acceptance under Government rules.
And, like others, I identify more with the idea of being English (or historically Viking if you like) but not really British. I could take US citizenship and no longer be a British citizen, but I would always consider myself English regardless of which Government I pay taxes to.

I qualified my statement with the "legal right to bear one "bit....you or anyone else can be as English as you like but you wont get across any borders with an English passport "English" is merely a sub division of British.
If an English passport is ever introduced my statement will still hold true of that
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
A quote from here:-
"The Muslim birth rate in Europe is three times higher than the non-Muslim one. If current trends continue, the Muslim population of Europe will nearly double by 2015, while the non-Muslim population will shrink by 3.5 percent."
I'm moving to Alaska.


Apparently europe has a population of 1/2 million of these 3-4% are of non european descent so doubling this small percentage would still leave them as a tiny percentage of the total population...it's easy to distort the truth in order to advance your agenda..the B.N.P. are seasoned pros at it
Actually, I took my quote from a muslim publication, written by muslims for muslims. I don't bother quoting from such an unreliable source as wankipedia - even my cat says it's unreliable, but he's 15 years old which in human years makes him 105, so a fairly wise cat. Work our for yourself what the muslim population will be in 2020 using the above rates (you can use fingers AND toes).




as far as I can tell wikipedia isn't the only source for these figures...I used it because it was the shortest and most pertinent article....the muslim press can be just as shit as any other, or are you suggesting that you're more prepared to believe it than the other dross i'm sure you could quote
P,S. that's non european descent NOT muslim they represent a fraction of the total figure
P.P.S. just got round to doing the sum 13% is still a small minority
I don't always quote dross sad - so, the muslim opinion is dross to you?
2 of your links don't work btw.
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
You can't get a ENGLISH passport so I'm afraid you're British like it or not.....it's nation not tribe that counts in these things
It's a banter stag biggrin
Quote by gulsonroad30664
max777, i deeply regret and i am very sorry for giving you the impression that i was patronising you or anyone else. i must also apologise for coming across as superior to you or anyone else, as i certainly am not ! my only mitigation that i ask you to accept in the spirit of cordiality, is that it was and is not my intention.
coming back to my question and because i have no wish to argue about the sources of either of our figures or research. do you think that yours or anyone else's quality of life, material condition, would improve now or in the future if imigration was slowed down, reduced, stopped or reversed ?

You don't come accross as someone who is superior to anyone else, you come accross as someone who THINKS they are superior to everyone else. There is a subtle difference.
I quoted the source of my figures, I've yet to see where you get the UK population to be 60 million at the end of the industrial revolution ( it was 61 million in 2008) and the German population to be 110 million.
In answer to your question, yes I believe that could well be the case at some point in the not too distant future.
Now.....don't start lecturing me that I know nothing of the economics of the economy
Quote by SlurpySarah
A quote from here:-
"The Muslim birth rate in Europe is three times higher than the non-Muslim one. If current trends continue, the Muslim population of Europe will nearly double by 2015, while the non-Muslim population will shrink by 3.5 percent."
I'm moving to Alaska.


Apparently europe has a population of 1/2 million of these 3-4% are of non european descent so doubling this small percentage would still leave them as a tiny percentage of the total population...it's easy to distort the truth in order to advance your agenda..the B.N.P. are seasoned pros at it
Actually, I took my quote from a muslim publication, written by muslims for muslims. I don't bother quoting from such an unreliable source as wankipedia - even my cat says it's unreliable, but he's 15 years old which in human years makes him 105, so a fairly wise cat. Work our for yourself what the muslim population will be in 2020 using the above rates (you can use fingers AND toes).




as far as I can tell wikipedia isn't the only source for these figures...I used it because it was the shortest and most pertinent article....the muslim press can be just as shit as any other, or are you suggesting that you're more prepared to believe it than the other dross i'm sure you could quote
P,S. that's non european descent NOT muslim they represent a fraction of the total figure
P.P.S. just got round to doing the sum 13% is still a small minority
I don't always quote dross sad - so, the muslim opinion is dross to you?
2 of your links don't work btw.
Sarah, no dead links:
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oh, i forgot. could someone please tell me which of my theories are "conspiracy" theories ? i would like to know if i am a conspiracist and who i am conspiring with to do what ? dont want to end up in prison like the "shrewsbury two" or "the toll puddle martyrs" or book into the guantanamo hilton and i certainly wont go hiking up ben stack or walk near harrowdown hill, and dallas, never gona go there, just in case.
Quote,quote etc. all religious opinion/belief is as far as I'm concerned dross be it muslim christian or zoroastrian....my point was/is that the muslim media like any other has an agenda and as such should be treated with the same degree of scepticism
max777m i do not THINK i am superior to anyone and i am sorry that you will not accept my apology as sincere but i repeat, it is not my intention to patronise you or anyone else, i do not consider myself to be superior to you or anyone else and i apologise in advance if anything i write is interpreted in that way and have no wish to lecture you or anyone else in economic's on this site. thank you for addressing my question although it was tongue in cheek as your answer was already implicit in your previous threads.
the purpose of this part of the site, hopefully (current affairs) is to stimulate debate, voice opinions and generate interest in what is possibly, the most liberated unprejudiced section of society. long may it continue.