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Quote by Rogue_trader
Kenty you are European in the same way as someone from China is Asian.
It cant be helped you live where you do!
You are an English Person who holds a British Citizen Passport, simples!

It may be simples to you but.....it ain't that easy for me.
This is all political nonsense. It can say whatever it likes on my passport, I was BORN in England, I support the England footie team, and an Englishman's home is his castle etc etc etc.
Nowhere do I see the word British in that.
The definition that my Asian business partner says is this.... to be English you would have to be born here, and to be British you have not. That is his take on it as an Asian who was born in Goa, but has lived here for 35 wink
I never argue the facts with him as he is a clever guy.
Quote by kentswingers777
It may be simples to you but.....it ain't that easy for me.
This is all political nonsense. It can say whatever it likes on my passport, I was BORN in England, I support the England footie team, and an Englishman's home is his castle etc etc etc.
Nowhere do I see the word British in that.
The definition that my Asian business partner says is this.... to be English you would have to be born here, and to be British you have not. That is his take on it as an Asian who was born in Goa, but has lived here for 35 wink
I never argue the facts with him as he is a clever guy.

My mate was born in Singapore to a British Father and British Mother, doesn't make him Singaporean though. It does however make him British.
England is a subdivision of Britain, in the same way as Kent is a sub-subdivision and so on. Doesn't make you any less an Englishman as it does a Welshman.
2 different takes on the same story......seems Labour may not have been above a little "social engineering"
Labour wanted mass immigration to make UK more multicultural, says former adviser

Former Labour adviser denies immigration plot to undermine right

Dead link now sorted!
Quote by Max777
2 different takes on the same story......seems Labour may not have been above a little "social engineering"

Doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Which one of their myriad of advisers reckoned this would be a good thing?
The sooner they start listening to the working people of Great Britain instead of their advisers the sooner this country will get back on its feet.
I always wondered why this Government just let the door open to all and sundry. It seemed as though Blair and Brown were deliberately trying to get rid of Britains culture and it's ways.
I just could not understand why they were so for multiculturalism to the detriment of Brits.
Now I know.
I hope they can be proud of what they have achieved, not just now but in a very bleak future.
It is Blair and Brown to thank for the BNP's rise...period.
AS has been previously stated the British/European birthrate is falling.......we have an ageing population people live longer fewer children are born....when I reach retirement age and as has been suggested elsewhere stop paying tax...I want there to be a tax payer to replace me ....I want to be able to visit a doctor without checking to see if I can afford it....I want my replacement hip if I need it...I want my state pension and heating allowance...I don't care if the tax is payed by someone of Pakistani ,Iranian,African,Polish or Venusian descent.....I care that the means to do all of this are still in place,the birthrate of the indigenous population of this country cannot and will not support it.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT WE NEED IMMIGRATION
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
AS has been previously stated the British/European birthrate is falling.......we have an ageing population people live longer fewer children are born....when I reach retirement age and as has been suggested elsewhere stop paying tax...I want there to be a tax payer to replace me ....I want to be able to visit a doctor without checking to see if I can afford it....I want my replacement hip if I need it...I want my state pension and heating allowance...I don't care if the tax is payed by someone of Pakistani ,Iranian,African,Polish or Venusian descent.....I care that the means to do all of this are still in place,the birthrate of the indigenous population of this country cannot and will not support it.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT WE NEED IMMIGRATION

Controlled immigration yes.
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
AS has been previously stated the British/European birthrate is falling.......we have an ageing population people live longer fewer children are born....when I reach retirement age and as has been suggested elsewhere stop paying tax...I want there to be a tax payer to replace me ....I want to be able to visit a doctor without checking to see if I can afford it....I want my replacement hip if I need it...I want my state pension and heating allowance...I don't care if the tax is payed by someone of Pakistani ,Iranian,African,Polish or Venusian descent.....I care that the means to do all of this are still in place,the birthrate of the indigenous population of this country cannot and will not support it.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT WE NEED IMMIGRATION

It's pity that neo-Nazis like Ridickolas Gri££in and the Bigoted Nazi Facist realise that.
Quote by Al1963
AS has been previously stated the British/European birthrate is falling.......we have an ageing population people live longer fewer children are born....when I reach retirement age and as has been suggested elsewhere stop paying tax...I want there to be a tax payer to replace me ....I want to be able to visit a doctor without checking to see if I can afford it....I want my replacement hip if I need it...I want my state pension and heating allowance...I don't care if the tax is payed by someone of Pakistani ,Iranian,African,Polish or Venusian descent.....I care that the means to do all of this are still in place,the birthrate of the indigenous population of this country cannot and will not support it.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT WE NEED IMMIGRATION

It's pity that neo-Nazis like Ridickolas Gri££in and the Bigoted Nazi Facist realise that.
Bigoted Nazi Facist? dunno
See what I mean Max....because you dare to say anything someone does not like or agree with, that old cookie of " racist " or " bigot " gets banded about.
It is just a ploy to try and shut people up.
It may have worked in the past few years but things are a changing, as people are getting tired of the same old tired things.
Quote by kentswingers777
See what I mean Max....because you dare to say anything someone does not like or agree with, that old cookie of " racist " or " bigot " gets banded about.
It is just a ploy to try and shut people up.
It may have worked in the past few years but things are a changing, as people are getting tired of the same old tired things.

I just have no idea as to whom he is referring....please enlighten us Al.
Quote by Max777
AS has been previously stated the British/European birthrate is falling.......we have an ageing population people live longer fewer children are born....when I reach retirement age and as has been suggested elsewhere stop paying tax...I want there to be a tax payer to replace me ....I want to be able to visit a doctor without checking to see if I can afford it....I want my replacement hip if I need it...I want my state pension and heating allowance...I don't care if the tax is payed by someone of Pakistani ,Iranian,African,Polish or Venusian descent.....I care that the means to do all of this are still in place,the birthrate of the indigenous population of this country cannot and will not support it.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT WE NEED IMMIGRATION

It's pity that neo-Nazis like Ridickolas Gri££in and the Bigoted Nazi Facist realise that.
Bigoted Nazi Facist? dunno
Oooo, I do so love a bit of tautology :rascal:
Your grammar has certainly improved since you have been in France GNV. lol
Quote by kentswingers777
Your grammar has certainly improved since you have been in France GNV. lol

Merci!
:laughabove:
Quote by Max777
AS has been previously stated the British/European birthrate is falling.......we have an ageing population people live longer fewer children are born....when I reach retirement age and as has been suggested elsewhere stop paying tax...I want there to be a tax payer to replace me ....I want to be able to visit a doctor without checking to see if I can afford it....I want my replacement hip if I need it...I want my state pension and heating allowance...I don't care if the tax is payed by someone of Pakistani ,Iranian,African,Polish or Venusian descent.....I care that the means to do all of this are still in place,the birthrate of the indigenous population of this country cannot and will not support it.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT WE NEED IMMIGRATION

It's pity that neo-Nazis like Ridickolas Gri££in and the Bigoted Nazi Facist realise that.
Bigoted Nazi Facist? dunno
Bigoted Nazi Facist = (B)NF
Quote by Al1963
AS has been previously stated the British/European birthrate is falling.......we have an ageing population people live longer fewer children are born....when I reach retirement age and as has been suggested elsewhere stop paying tax...I want there to be a tax payer to replace me ....I want to be able to visit a doctor without checking to see if I can afford it....I want my replacement hip if I need it...I want my state pension and heating allowance...I don't care if the tax is payed by someone of Pakistani ,Iranian,African,Polish or Venusian descent.....I care that the means to do all of this are still in place,the birthrate of the indigenous population of this country cannot and will not support it.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT WE NEED IMMIGRATION

It's pity that neo-Nazis like Ridickolas Gri££in and the Bigoted Nazi Facist realise that.
Bigoted Nazi Facist? dunno
Bigoted Nazi Facist = (B)NF
Ah, too subtle for me Al
I think talk of whats happened in the past is neither useful or helpful!! Whta needs to be done is plan and prepare for the future!! I personally think that the Australian system seems to work better than most and a form of it would be the best solution. Regulate who comes in to the country and what they can give to the country in a skills context!!
Maybe its over simplistic but we have to start somewhere!!
Quote by Luckylucky2007
I think talk of whats happened in the past is neither useful or helpful!! Whta needs to be done is plan and prepare for the future!! I personally think that the Australian system seems to work better than most and a form of it would be the best solution. Regulate who comes in to the country and what they can give to the country in a skills context!!
Maybe its over simplistic but we have to start somewhere!!

we already do ...if you listened to Jack Straw on question time he did explain that we operate a points system (a bit difficult to glean from his shoddy attempts at being rent-a-quote but it was there)the problem is it requires administration and we as a country are shit at admin.
regulation of imigration pales into insignificance to the need for banking and finance regulation, the REAL cause of the dramatic fall in living standards in this country, in fact the issue of imigration/asylum seekers is irrelevent and a DIVERSION by the ruling elite and political elite to divide and distract the people from the main causes of unemployment.
Quote by Rogue_trader
The second section you highlighted and replied to is the most important. the open door policy we appear to have got ourselves into with the current problems is not helping and something along the likes of Australia's immigration model would be preferable.
This model has a similar points system that is being rolled out, but dependent on what that country requires in the way of increasing/decreasing its population changes on a year by year basis.
This makes Australia's immigration policy flexible and workable therefore benefiting the whole of the country. This doesn't make it racism as it applies to all migrants.

Quote by Luckylucky2007
I think talk of whats happened in the past is neither useful or helpful!! Whta needs to be done is plan and prepare for the future!! I personally think that the Australian system seems to work better than most and a form of it would be the best solution. Regulate who comes in to the country and what they can give to the country in a skills context!!
Maybe its over simplistic but we have to start somewhere!!

We already have a points system similar in almost every respect to the Australian system, and we have had it in place for over a year. Immigration from within the EU is difficult to limit due to treaty obligations, but migration from outside the EU now has more stringent controls in place, and with the exception of asylum seekers is open only to those with the skills and economic wherewithal to support themselves here, and contribute to the economy in areas where we have chronic skills shortages.
You can compare just how similar the two systems are here:


Funnily enough, the BNP seem to be entirely unaware of that little fact? Or more likely, they choose not to mention it because it doesn't fit so well with their scaremongering tactics re: open doors and continuing mass, uncontrolled immigration? confused
Neil x x x ;)
i thought i was the last one left. The exact same issue is hihglighted in part of the Ragged Trousered Philanthropist, first published in the 19th Century.
Quote by neilinleeds
The second section you highlighted and replied to is the most important. the open door policy we appear to have got ourselves into with the current problems is not helping and something along the likes of Australia's immigration model would be preferable.
This model has a similar points system that is being rolled out, but dependent on what that country requires in the way of increasing/decreasing its population changes on a year by year basis.
This makes Australia's immigration policy flexible and workable therefore benefiting the whole of the country. This doesn't make it racism as it applies to all migrants.

Quote by Luckylucky2007
I think talk of whats happened in the past is neither useful or helpful!! Whta needs to be done is plan and prepare for the future!! I personally think that the Australian system seems to work better than most and a form of it would be the best solution. Regulate who comes in to the country and what they can give to the country in a skills context!!
Maybe its over simplistic but we have to start somewhere!!

We already have a points system similar in almost every respect to the Australian system, and we have had it in place for over a year. Immigration from within the EU is difficult to limit due to treaty obligations, but migration from outside the EU now has more stringent controls in place, and with the exception of asylum seekers is open only to those with the skills and economic wherewithal to support themselves here, and contribute to the economy in areas where we have chronic skills shortages.
You can compare just how similar the two systems are here:


Funnily enough, the BNP seem to be entirely unaware of that little fact? Or more likely, they choose not to mention it because it doesn't fit so well with their scaremongering tactics re: open doors and continuing mass, uncontrolled immigration? confused
Neil x x x ;)
So Neil.....If what you say is true, did you not hear on Question time the Governments admission that they expected from Eastern Europe to come here, yet over came here and rising.
I think that is scary and not scaremongering.
IF a Government can get it wrong so badly, why did they continue to let them pour in uncontrolled? For uncontrolled is what it was/is. But then we have learnt recently that it seems it was all part of a great plan.
Quote by kentswingers777
The second section you highlighted and replied to is the most important. the open door policy we appear to have got ourselves into with the current problems is not helping and something along the likes of Australia's immigration model would be preferable.
This model has a similar points system that is being rolled out, but dependent on what that country requires in the way of increasing/decreasing its population changes on a year by year basis.
This makes Australia's immigration policy flexible and workable therefore benefiting the whole of the country. This doesn't make it racism as it applies to all migrants.

Quote by Luckylucky2007
I think talk of whats happened in the past is neither useful or helpful!! Whta needs to be done is plan and prepare for the future!! I personally think that the Australian system seems to work better than most and a form of it would be the best solution. Regulate who comes in to the country and what they can give to the country in a skills context!!
Maybe its over simplistic but we have to start somewhere!!

We already have a points system similar in almost every respect to the Australian system, and we have had it in place for over a year. Immigration from within the EU is difficult to limit due to treaty obligations, but migration from outside the EU now has more stringent controls in place, and with the exception of asylum seekers is open only to those with the skills and economic wherewithal to support themselves here, and contribute to the economy in areas where we have chronic skills shortages.
You can compare just how similar the two systems are here:


Funnily enough, the BNP seem to be entirely unaware of that little fact? Or more likely, they choose not to mention it because it doesn't fit so well with their scaremongering tactics re: open doors and continuing mass, uncontrolled immigration? confused
Neil x x x ;)
So Neil.....If what you say is true, did you not hear on Question time the Governments admission that they expected from Eastern Europe to come here, yet over came here and rising.
I think that is scary and not scaremongering.
IF a Government can get it wrong so badly, why did they continue to let them pour in uncontrolled? For uncontrolled is what it was/is. But then we have learnt recently that it seems it was all part of a great plan.
What is rarely mentioned is that a huge proportion arrived looked round and went home...no-one ever seems interested in how many leave...I'll leave it to your good selves to find the figures I can't be arsed
I think the figures would not match up to your comment.....unless you know better of course? wink Cos I also cannot be arsed to find out.
Quote by kentswingers777
I think the figures would not match up to your comment.....unless you know better of course? wink Cos I also cannot be arsed to find out.

Yeah, why bother googling the figures yourself when the half-truths and misrepresentations of rabidly anti-EU right-wingers makes life so much easier . . . ;) Still . . .


More figures than you can shake a pointy stick at there, particularly in the dull as ditch water second link, but the gist is that as of April 2008, the estimate was that something like 540 000 of those who came temporarily to the UK from the new EU accession states had already returned home. According to more recent reports net migration into the UK has continued to fall over the last year or so at an increasing rate, ((( down some 44% apparently ))) because the depth of the recession and rising unemployment here coupled with the piss-poor Euro exchange rate has made the UK a much less attractive place for EU migrant workers, and more stringent controls on those from a couple of the newer EU states, and on those from outside the EU are starting to have an effect.
Apologies for being so tedious, but you did ask! lol ;)
N x x x ;)
Thanks for that Neil, your well informed well written and pertinent posts are a constant delight.
Oh dear Neil.....whilst your arguements seem valid, I suppose it is what side of the fence you look over..

Now even a Government official said this figure.
Now IF so many people are leaving ( which they may well be )the numbers coming in are much more than those that are leaving.
Seeing Neil as you like a Google, can you tell me how a country with 61 million people in it, can increase to 70 million in so short a space of time please?
That is 9 million more than now, yet people are leaving by the bucket load according to the clips you have linked me too.
Where are all these extras coming from. and if there is this mass exodus ( Government stats no doubt involved )it makes you wonder how many are coming into the UK, against those that are leaving.
Remember 71 million the experts predict!
I have no doubt your figures of people who have left is correct, but could it be possible that 2 million plus have come in? If not how do the figures of 71 million become attainable?
One of the reasons for the increase is the rate at which people die is reducing.
Quote by kentswingers777
Oh dear Neil.....whilst your arguements seem valid, I suppose it is what side of the fence you look over..

Now even a Government official said this figure.
Now IF so many people are leaving ( which they may well be )the numbers coming in are much more than those that are leaving.
Seeing Neil as you like a Google, can you tell me how a country with 61 million people in it, can increase to 70 million in so short a space of time please?
That is 9 million more than now, yet people are leaving by the bucket load according to the clips you have linked me too.
Where are all these extras coming from. and if there is this mass exodus ( Government stats no doubt involved )it makes you wonder how many are coming into the UK, against those that are leaving.
Remember 71 million the experts predict!
I have no doubt your figures of people who have left is correct, but could it be possible that 2 million plus have come in? If not how do the figures of 71 million become attainable?

Kent, I do enjoy bandying links with you! smile ;) The Office for National Statistics figures that give rise to the 70+ million claim have already been seriously called into question, because that little projection is based on immigration figures from 2006 - early 2008, after the accession of the new EU member states that fueled the sudden boom, but before the slowing I mentioned earlier that has taken place since. The headline figure of 70 million is based on the assumption that the rate of immigration stays at those pre-2008 figures, when the evidence is that we are already seeing a slowdown from within the EU at least, mainly due to economic factors. The controls put in place since 2008 are likely to further slowdown inward migration, but it's too early to tell by how much, as clearly the figures on new sets of systems and policies aren't available as yet.

Neilx x x ;)