Sex God
Should be colourful with George Galloway and Nigel Farage amongst others. Pity the audience is only kids though for this particular show. Would love to see a Galloway v Farage debate.
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Quote by flower411
Well that was crap !!
Interestingly the only person that came across as a nasty nationalistic bigot was the SNP bloke !
Indeed. Much as I have no time at all for George Galloway and the things that he supports I can't help but admire the compelling way that he puts an argument across.
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It is a disgrace that this person is actually an MP, but is clever where he plys his trade, but loves a debate most of the time.
why a disgrace !!! I don't like the guy and what he stands for....but he has a right to say what he wants about Israel. He didn't do anything illegal...he just stated his point, that the land Israel now occupies was at one time Palistine, and therefore he does not recognise it, as such.
As you say he is very good at a debate, and probably made more of an impact, by simply saying that and walking out, than if he had stood up and debated the situation for an hour or so !!
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He didn't do anything illegal...
I never said he did, did I ? I merely pointed out he is a disgrace, and just like him I can say that as that is also not illegal.
He is a horrid man but a clever man. He knows where to target his views so as to make the maximum impact to obtain being a Respect MP. It was rather funny that refusal to talk, as Galloway usually won't shut the fuck up at any level.
Sex God
If George Galloway didn't exist it would be necessary to invent him. Say what you like about the man's politics, he is one of the very few MPs in Westminster prepared to offer a counter-narrative to the heavily whipped line of the three main parties, parties that have become almost indistinguishable as far as what they stand for and what they say goes. Unfortunately he's not a very good MP, putting his own agenda first quite often gadding about internationally and speaking on international issues that matter to him without being all that available to his constituents or speaking on their behalves about local issues that matter to them. And his comments on the Julian Assange case asserting that sex with an unconscious woman who by definition cannot consent is not cos she's previously consented when awake were beyond the pale really. You could get away with that line where two parties know each other well enough to have given each other permission for 'surprise sex', but not a one-night stand where nothing of the sort's even come up. Stupid. And in UK law consent must be made clear every time, there's no conception of ongoing, standing consent for sexual acts in the future so the position is wrong-headed anyway
A lot on the left fucking cringed at that, it's one of his most bizarre pronouncements, feeds into the perception that the left are loonies and with that undoing a lot of his efforts to push a more left-leaning agenda. He doesn't do credible very well. Though he is quite often bang on the money with a lot of what he says he is too easily dismissed as a loon, and his arguments with it. Still, he was probably the most watchable of the panel and got some of the loudest cheers, he clearly struck a chord with the young on a lot of issues.
Oh, and Too Hot, the 'kids' in the audience did pretty well for me. Better informed and than quite a few of the 'adults' I come across here and there. ;)
A lot on the left fucking cringed at that, it's one of his most bizarre pronouncements, feeds into the perception that the left are loonies and with that undoing a lot of his efforts to push a more left-leaning agenda. He doesn't do credible very well. Though he is quite often bang on the money with a lot of what he says he is too easily dismissed as a loon, and his arguments with it. Still, he was probably the most watchable of the panel and got some of the loudest cheers, he clearly struck a chord with the young on a lot of issues.
Oh, and Too Hot, the 'kids' in the audience did pretty well for me. Better informed and than quite a few of the 'adults' I come across here and there. ;)
Sex God
Like him or hate him, George Galloway has a fantastic delivery with words, possibly due to his Scottish accent ?
He might spout some garbage (not all the time tho, I'd say) but he certainly makes you listen.
Below is a link to him addressing the US Senate, he showed them that day !!
John
He might spout some garbage (not all the time tho, I'd say) but he certainly makes you listen.
Below is a link to him addressing the US Senate, he showed them that day !!
John
Sex God
I think George Galloway leaves a lot to be desired but he at least speaks HIS mind and doesn't seem to tow the party line or bend over for the party whip. A lot of what's missing in politics is conviction politicians rather than self serving ambitious business men/power mongers. We need the , Ben's, Tebbits, Skinners yes and even the Thatcher type politicians. The people we have are just cloned out of some city machine. There is little choice at present all we are left to vote for are the ones least likely to make us want to go and watch paint dry instead
Sex God
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I think George Galloway leaves a lot to be desired but he at least speaks HIS mind and doesn't seem to tow the party line or bend over for the party whip. A lot of what's missing in politics is conviction politicians rather than self serving ambitious business men/power mongers. We need the , Ben's, Tebbits, Skinners yes and even the Thatcher type politicians. The people we have are just cloned out of some city machine. There is little choice at present all we are left to vote for are the ones least likely to make us want to go and watch paint dry instead
Would you include Nigel Farage as a conviction politician ?
John
Sex God
Yeah from what I see although I think he's now only popular because he's new. Not my cup of tea by a long chalk though. Given time I do think he will hang himself.
Trouble is that in these awkward times there is a difference in that the mass population seems to be lurching to the right as opposed to what might usually of happened in times past. The general populace have been made to think its capitalism that has resulted in the comparative comfort in which most of us now live rather than the hard work done by working the masses and philanthropists from the past who are really the earth movers and made the changes for the working man. That and the unfortunate effects of devastating wars of the last three centuries.
The relative comfort that a lot of the population have and are experiencing is disconcerting. I believe as the ideology that its the bottom 10% of the country that is now causing all the countries ills are too blame is being exacerbated by the wealthy elite who wield the ability to control the masses by madia and vague notion planted that everyone canbe in the same elite position.
Until the time when the MAJORITY start feeling it through own hardships and the hardships that their children and grandchildren are going to live with it wont change and that time will come when the affluent pensioners die off and then the homeowners have to use their capital for their old age instead of leaving it to the nearest and dearest. Consequently the next generation will not have that financial cushion and then the shit will hit the fan as the huge financial class division spirals out of control leaving the MAJORITY suffering. I reckon about 30 years or one generation away. I'm not looking to debate this but it is how i feel and I sincerely hope i'm wrong but the older i get the more cynical i become.
Trouble is that in these awkward times there is a difference in that the mass population seems to be lurching to the right as opposed to what might usually of happened in times past. The general populace have been made to think its capitalism that has resulted in the comparative comfort in which most of us now live rather than the hard work done by working the masses and philanthropists from the past who are really the earth movers and made the changes for the working man. That and the unfortunate effects of devastating wars of the last three centuries.
The relative comfort that a lot of the population have and are experiencing is disconcerting. I believe as the ideology that its the bottom 10% of the country that is now causing all the countries ills are too blame is being exacerbated by the wealthy elite who wield the ability to control the masses by madia and vague notion planted that everyone canbe in the same elite position.
Until the time when the MAJORITY start feeling it through own hardships and the hardships that their children and grandchildren are going to live with it wont change and that time will come when the affluent pensioners die off and then the homeowners have to use their capital for their old age instead of leaving it to the nearest and dearest. Consequently the next generation will not have that financial cushion and then the shit will hit the fan as the huge financial class division spirals out of control leaving the MAJORITY suffering. I reckon about 30 years or one generation away. I'm not looking to debate this but it is how i feel and I sincerely hope i'm wrong but the older i get the more cynical i become.
Sex God
Can't argue ^^^^ it makes sense
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And now , in the mother of democracies we have the likes of David Cameron !!! I mean !! Explain to me how such an out of touch idiot gets to be prime mininster !! It's because power is elsewhere and he is doing a brilliant job of convincing people that he is in charge !
But thankfully he does not hold absolute power. Cameron or his his party could not get an overall majority at the last election, and I believe he has a zero chance of being an outright winner in 2015 as well.
The Politicians of all the three major parties now seem so out of touch with what the people are looking for. They see three different parties but with all the same agendas. You only have to look at the amount of people who bother to vote, to realise that people cannot be bothered with any of them.
When Cameron was leader of the opposition he made three appearances on radio that I listened too. He I must admit sounded sincere, he sounded honest, he sounded like a man that could lead this country and deliver something good after all the years of crap under Bliar and Brown. Once voted in he became like all the others, with lies and deceit. He showed more spunk in getting the gay marriage laws passed, than he did with anything else so far. Britain is sinking both financially and as a power that it once was. This is not about who I will be voting for next, but the failures of all three of the main parties, and Cameron and his ilk have not got a clue how to fix it, but then again neither does the other major party. I wonder how we came to be in this crisis where the poor pay for the riches mistakes.
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The Politicians of all the three major parties now seem so out of touch with what the people are looking for. They see three different parties but with all the same agendas. You only have to look at the amount of people who bother to vote, to realise that people cannot be bothered with any of them.
Is that only because the UK is no longer perceived by the electorate as being a democracy but as a 'puppet' administration of a greater being?
Sex God
Therein lies a problem in that there is no viable alternative to turn to realistically for the mainstream voter.
And I agree star with you when you say Cameron seems more intent in getting, and i hate to say it as it matters a lot to some, the less important stuff passed through with as much noise as possible such as the gay marriage thing whilst sort of breezing through and the brushing off by all main parties the multi million people affecting austerity shite. I even heard somewhere that this year more suicides will occur due to hardships brought about by austerity measures than there will be gay marriages. A sad indictment on a civilsed and wealthy nation as Britain.
Until a new ideology comes about that is not termed, and means something other than, socialism or conservatism then people might get a choice rather than fucking about with the arseholes that we have at the moment running the country just swapping sides in the house with nothing accomplished
And I agree star with you when you say Cameron seems more intent in getting, and i hate to say it as it matters a lot to some, the less important stuff passed through with as much noise as possible such as the gay marriage thing whilst sort of breezing through and the brushing off by all main parties the multi million people affecting austerity shite. I even heard somewhere that this year more suicides will occur due to hardships brought about by austerity measures than there will be gay marriages. A sad indictment on a civilsed and wealthy nation as Britain.
Until a new ideology comes about that is not termed, and means something other than, socialism or conservatism then people might get a choice rather than fucking about with the arseholes that we have at the moment running the country just swapping sides in the house with nothing accomplished
Sex God
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The Politicians of all the three major parties now seem so out of touch with what the people are looking for. They see three different parties but with all the same agendas. You only have to look at the amount of people who bother to vote, to realise that people cannot be bothered with any of them.
Is that only because the UK is no longer perceived by the electorate as being a democracy but as a 'puppet' administration of a greater being?
Its not a case of ONLY being perceived GnV that amongst a lot of other stuff. Swap ONLY with an IRRELEVANCE would be nearer the truth for many, There is good cause to think of there being other interests at work if you happen to be a conspiracy theorist and its not unreasonable to think that although it is still a position I wouldn't hold too yet for fear of ridicule and belittlement from people not yet feeling the harsh effects of whats happening to many
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The Politicians of all the three major parties now seem so out of touch with what the people are looking for. They see three different parties but with all the same agendas. You only have to look at the amount of people who bother to vote, to realise that people cannot be bothered with any of them.
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Is that only because the UK is no longer perceived by the electorate as being a democracy but as a 'puppet' administration of a greater being?
Have we ever been a democracy GnV?
True Democracy would have the law makers making their own decisions. How can it be a deomcratic process in Government, when Politicians are forced to vote with their party, no matter what their own personnel thoughts and beliefs are.
Governments forced through laws that banned that practice in the Trade Union movement, and now there are secret ballots. I believe for democracy to be just and true, the MP's should be allowed to vote in secret and then true democracy will happen. Having your party freeze you out when you won't vote with them is nothing short of a scandal, unless of course it is a " free " vote. Ah so they do them then?
Sex God
Bollox to democracy I should be supreme ruler and dictator - nuff said
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True Democracy would have the law makers making their own decisions.
NO, NO and NO again star
True democracy is where the law makers act according to the wishes of it's electorate surely.
See, in France recently, the powers that be in the Commission suggested that free pouring oil for dipping in restaurants be outlawed in favour of homogenised, pasteurised, obliterised, tasteless pre-packaged rubbish where 'consistency' could be 'assured'.
Well, the shit well and truly hit the fan. Restauranteurs were up in arms, producers were up in arms, diners were up in arms, everyone in normal creation was horrified at the unnecessary interference of Europe on such an issue even being considered!
The spectacle of politicians testicles being served up in Paris' finest restaurants was just too much to bear!
Result? A massive backtrack and retraction of the proposed legislation tout de suite!
It would seem that in a true democracy, the people shout the loudest and make their true feelings known and it is a brave administration that dares to ignore them.
Sadly, in the mother of all democracies - the UK - people just roll over to let the Government tickle their tummies and make weak and unheard protests so the UK government takes the initiative and introduces laws which no one else in Europe has actually agreed to.
When the people of the United Kingdom make their voice heard and their disquiet is noticed, the UK will be a better place.
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Sadly, in the mother of all democracies - the UK - people just roll over to let the Government tickle their tummies and make weak and unheard protests so the UK government takes the initiative and introduces laws which no one else in Europe has actually agreed to.
When the people of the United Kingdom make their voice heard and their disquiet is noticed, the UK will be a better place.
Well if they have not done it up till now GnV, then I doubt it will ever happen. Most people really don't give a toss as most people are only interested in having the money to pay their bills with enough left over for a couple of nice things in their lives.
Most people also know that what one Government gives it also takes something else away, which leaves people pretty much in the same boat no matter who is in power. People only really care about things when it affects them, like having to use the NHS or when they have kids within the education system. Most of the Government policies will not make a jot of difference to a lot of people.
A nice house, a nice holiday, and a few bob in the bank is what most people aspire too.
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A nice house, a nice holiday, and a few bob in the bank is what most people aspire too.
A nice house (owned by the bank)
A nice holiday (funded on the never-never by credit card - see above)
A few bob in the bank (declared by the bank to HMRC so you can pay tax on it)
Eutopia indeed
(pun intended!) Sex God
The reality is that because we live in a modern and established society, it does not really matter which of the mainstream party's get in. For the vast majority of people life will barely change no matter if it is a labour or conservative government.
It would take an extreme party to make any meaningful difference. UKIP would significantly increase the amount of top end money in circulation with their top rate tax cut down to 25%. Socialist Workers Party on the extreme left would likely create a fame/brain drain with the absolute opposite tax measures and an increase in wealth tax which would make the UK a place not worth staying in for anyone with money.
The reality is that when extreme spectrum policies are fully analysed, the vast majority of people opt for the familiar and just look for whichever Party leans most in the direction that they favour. Think about it.... What former labour or liberal supporter is going to vote for a Party that will give a colossal tax cut to the wealthiest in society? By the same token, who is going to vote for an extreme left wing party that by default would take the country even further into debt?
Extremes are good for airing populist emotions and opinions but come the General Election the reality of the true policies invariably make people think twice.
Just to caveat this before Star begins to bang the UKIP drum. From a very selfish point of view, I would love UKIP to get voted in as it would make a difference to my tax return. From a non selfish view - do I think such a move would be good for the country? Probably not and for that reason (amongst others), I would not vote for UKIP. I think it fair to assume that I would not be going any further left, or right, than the Conservatives.
It would take an extreme party to make any meaningful difference. UKIP would significantly increase the amount of top end money in circulation with their top rate tax cut down to 25%. Socialist Workers Party on the extreme left would likely create a fame/brain drain with the absolute opposite tax measures and an increase in wealth tax which would make the UK a place not worth staying in for anyone with money.
The reality is that when extreme spectrum policies are fully analysed, the vast majority of people opt for the familiar and just look for whichever Party leans most in the direction that they favour. Think about it.... What former labour or liberal supporter is going to vote for a Party that will give a colossal tax cut to the wealthiest in society? By the same token, who is going to vote for an extreme left wing party that by default would take the country even further into debt?
Extremes are good for airing populist emotions and opinions but come the General Election the reality of the true policies invariably make people think twice.
Just to caveat this before Star begins to bang the UKIP drum. From a very selfish point of view, I would love UKIP to get voted in as it would make a difference to my tax return. From a non selfish view - do I think such a move would be good for the country? Probably not and for that reason (amongst others), I would not vote for UKIP. I think it fair to assume that I would not be going any further left, or right, than the Conservatives.
Sex God
Isn't "what is in our best interest" at the very heart of Politics?
I am sure that we can get a good variety of opinions about what is in our best interest just from contributors to this thread - but who really knows who is right and who is wrong?
I am sure that we can get a good variety of opinions about what is in our best interest just from contributors to this thread - but who really knows who is right and who is wrong?
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Nope ! Democracy is where the people vote for politicians to represent their interests in parliament. It absolutely does not mean that the politicians should do what the electorate wants but rather does what is good for them.
If that were truly the case flower, why do they bother postulating election pledges?
On the other hand, there may be merit in what you say taking account of 'New' Labour's spectacular win over the Tories at the hands of Tony Blair et al where they absolutely promised nothing during that election except that 'things can only get better'...
