Well, I'm intrigued too about him being a Mormon, particularly in the debate about gay marriage, when he stated (against it) that marriage is the marriage of one man to one woman.
I thought Mormons were able to take as many as they liked.....
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If elected......he won't be the first American president to be a moron
That's true, plus we 'sent' them Piers Moron as well
:thumbup:
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It's like they learned nothing from Bush. Ironic isn't it: religious fundamentalists at the helm of all those other countries is 'a bad thing', but that's no bar though to electing one at home. Barking! Wonder if he wears the magic pants?
I actually know a lot about mormons, as one of my closest friends is a very, very devout mormon. And I'm talking nothing below the neck before marriage kind of devout (and she married aged 31...)
This friend gave a speech at my (gay) wedding in support of our relationship and our love. She spoke about how, despite her belief that marriage is the union of a man and a woman, and her belief in all of the testaments (including all of the "thou shalt nots"), she loved me as her friend and her religion taught her to be charitable to others. It was a speech all about love and it was incredibly moving - it was very important to me that she spoke, because a lot of my family is religious, and I wanted to try to show them that it's not impossible for an atheist in a gay relationship to be close to a devout Christian.
Anyway... I obviously have a lot of good things to say about mormons, as my friend is a wonderful person. It is one of the few Christian religions I have learned about where the people who are part of the faith are all incredibly devout and seem to be quite accepting of those who don't believe what they do, because they are subject to so much prejudice themselves.
Mormons are not polygamous - those who are polygamous are not members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They are factions that have broken away from the main religion.
I could tell you a lot more about mormons, if you're interested. But, I won't bore you all with everything I know unless people ask!
In answer to your question, flower, I'm not sure how I feel about Romney. On the one hand, the idea of a deeply Christian man in power in the States is an awful thought to me. But, on the other hand, I know a number of mormons very well because of my friend and I have a very high opinion of them all.
So... I'm reserving judgement until he does something I can judge!
This friend gave a speech at my (gay) wedding in support of our relationship and our love. She spoke about how, despite her belief that marriage is the union of a man and a woman, and her belief in all of the testaments (including all of the "thou shalt nots"), she loved me as her friend and her religion taught her to be charitable to others. It was a speech all about love and it was incredibly moving - it was very important to me that she spoke, because a lot of my family is religious, and I wanted to try to show them that it's not impossible for an atheist in a gay relationship to be close to a devout Christian.
Anyway... I obviously have a lot of good things to say about mormons, as my friend is a wonderful person. It is one of the few Christian religions I have learned about where the people who are part of the faith are all incredibly devout and seem to be quite accepting of those who don't believe what they do, because they are subject to so much prejudice themselves.
Mormons are not polygamous - those who are polygamous are not members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They are factions that have broken away from the main religion.
I could tell you a lot more about mormons, if you're interested. But, I won't bore you all with everything I know unless people ask!
In answer to your question, flower, I'm not sure how I feel about Romney. On the one hand, the idea of a deeply Christian man in power in the States is an awful thought to me. But, on the other hand, I know a number of mormons very well because of my friend and I have a very high opinion of them all.
So... I'm reserving judgement until he does something I can judge!
Quote by Lilith
On the one hand, the idea of a deeply Christian man in power in the States is an awful thought to me.
Apart from the separation of State and religion in the US, mainly influenced in times past from the eastern seaboard - Romney's home base like the Kennedy and Bush dynasties - every US President has needed to show a close association with religion in order to be elected.
In almost a British monarchical style, as well as being the Commander in Chief, the President is as much the Defender of Faiths in the minds of the average American without their being a mandate, legally, to be so.
I can't think of a single American President in all my 60+ years where I have taken an interest in such matters that has not been portrayed as being 'deeply religious' so I find your comment interesting that you should think it an awful thought Lilth.
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So it would seem President Obama has won. I am reminded of a joke someone told me a long time ago 'If God intended America to have a president he would have given America some candidates'....
Personally I think of Obama as being just a bit too much like our own beloved Tony Blair.
Personally I think of Obama as being just a bit too much like our own beloved Tony Blair.
Quote by Robert400andKay
Personally I think of Obama as being just a bit too much like our own beloved Tony Blair.
I disagree strongly.
Obama hasn't become messianic during his first term of office. Nor will be be in his second term. He appears to me to not have changed his persona from when he first sought election and wiped the floor, rightly so, with McCain 4 years ago.
Mitt Romney was never going to make it.
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Quote by GnV
Obama hasn't become messianic during his first term of office. Nor will be be in his second term. He appears to me to not have changed his persona from when he first sought election and wiped the floor, rightly so, with McCain 4 years ago.
Mitt Romney was never going to make it.
You never struck me as a Democrat GNV
. Good point, I guess my feelings on Obama stem more from the broken promises aspect, I had forgotten how truly 'odd' TB really became during his time. 
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Quote by Lilith
I actually know a lot about mormons, as one of my closest friends is a very, very devout mormon. And I'm talking nothing below the neck before marriage kind of devout (and she married aged 31...)
This friend gave a speech at my (gay) wedding in support of our relationship and our love. She spoke about how, despite her belief that marriage is the union of a man and a woman, and her belief in all of the testaments (including all of the "thou shalt nots"), she loved me as her friend and her religion taught her to be charitable to others. It was a speech all about love and it was incredibly moving - it was very important to me that she spoke, because a lot of my family is religious, and I wanted to try to show them that it's not impossible for an atheist in a gay relationship to be close to a devout Christian.
Anyway... I obviously have a lot of good things to say about mormons, as my friend is a wonderful person. It is one of the few Christian religions I have learned about where the people who are part of the faith are all incredibly devout and seem to be quite accepting of those who don't believe what they do, because they are subject to so much prejudice themselves.
Mormons are not polygamous - those who are polygamous are not members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They are factions that have broken away from the main religion.
I could tell you a lot more about mormons, if you're interested. But, I won't bore you all with everything I know unless people ask!
In answer to your question, flower, I'm not sure how I feel about Romney. On the one hand, the idea of a deeply Christian man in power in the States is an awful thought to me. But, on the other hand, I know a number of mormons very well because of my friend and I have a very high opinion of them all.
So... I'm reserving judgement until he does something I can judge!
you will have a long wait now!!
:rotflmao::rotflmao: Quote by Robert400andKay
Obama hasn't become messianic during his first term of office. Nor will be be in his second term. He appears to me to not have changed his persona from when he first sought election and wiped the floor, rightly so, with McCain 4 years ago.
Mitt Romney was never going to make it.
You never struck me as a Democrat GNV
. Good point, I guess my feelings on Obama stem more from the broken promises aspect, I had forgotten how truly 'odd' TB really became during his time.Democratic certainly, Liberal I am not nor ever will be
I find Obama inspiring - more so than any other current day politician I can think of.
For me, the dichotomy comes at the next General Election in the UK. Would I wish Cameron a 'second term'?
Somehow, I don't think so just now.
Would I like to see Ed Miliband in 10 Downing Street?
An emphatic 'NO'.
but who else is there?
I'm delighted that Obama won!! :-)Quote by GnV
On the one hand, the idea of a deeply Christian man in power in the States is an awful thought to me.
Apart from the separation of State and religion in the US, mainly influenced in times past from the eastern seaboard - Romney's home base like the Kennedy and Bush dynasties - every US President has needed to show a close association with religion in order to be elected.
In almost a British monarchical style, as well as being the Commander in Chief, the President is as much the Defender of Faiths in the minds of the average American without their being a mandate, legally, to be so.
I can't think of a single American President in all my 60+ years where I have taken an interest in such matters that has not been portrayed as being 'deeply religious' so I find your comment interesting that you should think it an awful thought Lilth.
I think there's a big difference between political religiousness and genuine religiousness when it comes to American politics, GnV - the bit in bold above is telling... They need to show a close association with religion to be elected. What happens once elected is not necessarily reflective of campaign politics. But, I do agree that it is bizarre that religion plays such a huge part in American politics, given the separation of Church and State.
Quote by GnV
Obama hasn't become messianic during his first term of office. Nor will be be in his second term. He appears to me to not have changed his persona from when he first sought election and wiped the floor, rightly so, with McCain 4 years ago.
Mitt Romney was never going to make it.
You never struck me as a Democrat GNV
. Good point, I guess my feelings on Obama stem more from the broken promises aspect, I had forgotten how truly 'odd' TB really became during his time.Democratic certainly, Liberal I am not nor ever will be
I find Obama inspiring - more so than any other current day politician I can think of.
For me, the dichotomy comes at the next General Election in the UK. Would I wish Cameron a 'second term'?
Somehow, I don't think so just now.
Would I like to see Ed Miliband in 10 Downing Street?
An emphatic 'NO'.
but who else is there?
I agree with you here GNV, only problem America has got with President Obama is the Republicans will stop every controversial bill he will try and put through, no matter if its good for the country or not.
Okay I have to ask the question and borrow a few arguments from the internet to get some opinions.
A lot of my friends both offline and online actually surprised me and also were for Obama for next president which i find interesting.
Am i so misguided as to think that Romney sounded like the better choice given the current atmosphere in the states?
I have to agree Obama is extremely inspirational but the problem isn't with inspiring people, i feel, as much as finding jobs for them and in that regards Romney seems to have an edge and proven track record of creating successful businesses and being successful in creating jobs.
Am i living in a parallel universe or am i so misguided in my views ?
Anybody care to share why are they so much for Obama considering the amount of promises he made versus the amount he actually kept ?
A lot of my friends both offline and online actually surprised me and also were for Obama for next president which i find interesting.
Am i so misguided as to think that Romney sounded like the better choice given the current atmosphere in the states?
I have to agree Obama is extremely inspirational but the problem isn't with inspiring people, i feel, as much as finding jobs for them and in that regards Romney seems to have an edge and proven track record of creating successful businesses and being successful in creating jobs.
Am i living in a parallel universe or am i so misguided in my views ?
Anybody care to share why are they so much for Obama considering the amount of promises he made versus the amount he actually kept ?
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I agree with you here GNV, only problem America has got with President Obama is the Republicans will stop every controversial bill he will try and put through, no matter if its good for the country or not.
That's democracy in action Stevie. I don't know enough about American politics to know whether a Democratic influenced Senate will be able to countermand such destructive intransigence by Republicans in the House of Representives.
I am glad Obama won the US elections. I cannot see how a person with a wealth of apparently over 200 million dollars,can possibly understand what small business and the little man goes through in tough times such as they have had over there, with regards to Romney.
Obama seems a genuinely decent kind of guy, and the American elections are more complicated than ours are, but it is obvious from the key states that Obama held onto he was going to remain President.
Now though he has had years in the job already and Americans will now not accept any excuses from him with regards to getting their economy moving.
Obama seems a genuinely decent kind of guy, and the American elections are more complicated than ours are, but it is obvious from the key states that Obama held onto he was going to remain President.
Now though he has had years in the job already and Americans will now not accept any excuses from him with regards to getting their economy moving.
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Now though he has had years in the job already and Americans will now not accept any excuses from him with regards to getting their economy moving.
The big difficulty here is the inaction that sometimes follows winning a second term in office as witnessed in the George Dubbya era.
The President has nothing more to prove and no further election to win (his successor is expected to do his own job of winning the primaries and the subsequent election for his party) so he can bang the heels of his Stetsons down on the desk in the Oval Office and take an easy ride full in the knowledge that his pension is already being counted out and concentrate on the design of his Presidential Library.
Somehow, I don't think this will be the case with Obama. I think he will fight for justice for all to the end of his term and leave America in a better condition than it was when he entered office.
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Quote by GnV
The big difficulty here is the inaction that sometimes follows winning a second term in office as witnessed in the George Dubbya era.
The President has nothing more to prove and no further election to win (his successor is expected to do his own job of winning the primaries and the subsequent election for his party) so he can bang the heels of his Stetsons down on the desk in the Oval Office and take an easy ride full in the knowledge that his pension is already being counted out and concentrate on the design of his Presidential Library.
Somehow, I don't think this will be the case with Obama. I think he will fight for justice for all to the end of his term and leave America in a better condition than it was when he entered office.
I agree GnV. He's been so effectively prevented from doing as much perhaps as he'd have liked by a combination of economic constraints inheriting one of the worst recessions in US history, and political constraints facing blocking by the Republican majority in the House of Representatives that I think he still feels he has much to prove left.
He's very much stronger having been re-elected I think despite what's seen to be poor growth out of recession so far. The right may have been able to stall him with things like the blocking of the Jobs Act earlier in the year hoping to use lack of growth there against him in the election but they can't keep doing that forever. Four more years of shit like that would be too damaging to the country, and too transparent. I think he might just find it easier to get things done and will want to take every advantage of that. If he can get some good growth going these next four years the Democrats are in a strong position to win another term with a new candidate I think, possibly helped by what might well be shift to the right by Republicans convinced they were not conservative enough this time round when actually it seems it's the centre ground that's leading the vote.
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Quote by tintiri
Okay I have to ask the question and borrow a few arguments from the internet to get some opinions.
A lot of my friends both offline and online actually surprised me and also were for Obama for next president which i find interesting.
Am i so misguided as to think that Romney sounded like the better choice given the current atmosphere in the states?
I have to agree Obama is extremely inspirational but the problem isn't with inspiring people, i feel, as much as finding jobs for them and in that regards Romney seems to have an edge and proven track record of creating successful businesses and being successful in creating jobs.
Am i living in a parallel universe or am i so misguided in my views ?
Anybody care to share why are they so much for Obama considering the amount of promises he made versus the amount he actually kept ?
The Republican problem generally is that they have become too extremist and as a result they have alienated young new voters, women and the majority of the "minority" races. They are currently a political party voted for mainly by white males aged 45+ who unfortunately get taken in by the hate speak spouted by right wing extremists masquerading as Republican politicians. Unless the Republican party ethos changes they will never again be elected simply because of the changing demographics of American society - the "minorities" are in fact now the majority.
Mitt Romney in particular was just too lacking in specifics. His answer to the budget defecit is to cut everyones taxes by 20% and increase defence spending above what the Pentagon had actually asked for. Vote grabbing sound bytes for sure, but the subsequent detail as to how the further black hole would be made up as a result of these policies has never been explained.
Obama's promises have not been kept because of the opposition in Congress. The Republicans are in the majority there and continue to block on principle Obama politics. Hopefully, the Republican party will now do some soul searching - moderate their views and assist President Obama in running the country as opposed to blocking everything he tries to do.
I have to agree Obama is extremely inspirational but the problem isn't with inspiring people, i feel, as much as finding jobs for them and in that regards Romney seems to have an edge and proven track record of creating successful businesses and being successful in creating jobs.
If I understood the mood correctly, the only record on employment that Mitt Romney had was asset stripping companies and throwing people out of work....
