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I was merely using that as an example. What I was hoping to highlight was the insidious use of visual messages by the media, as so far the debate seemed to have focused on the printed word.
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Quote by noladreams
I was merely using that as an example. What I was hoping to highlight was the insidious use of visual messages by the media, as so far the debate seemed to have focused on the printed word.
Yes I know, I thought that once people are out of their teens they wouls see through this though....
Maybe I am wrong then... :sad:
Quote by Bluefish2009
Yes I know, I thought that once people are out of their teens they wouls see through this though....
Maybe I am wrong then... :sad:
Even forty year olds cannot after a lifetime of experience..........so how can a wet behind the ears teenager do it
Nothing else to add as the contributors are making it an interesting read...........and are more knowledgable than me........well most
Dave_Notts
Quote by Bluefish2009
I was merely using that as an example. What I was hoping to highlight was the insidious use of visual messages by the media, as so far the debate seemed to have focused on the printed word.
Yes I know, I thought that once people are out of their teens they wouls see through this though....
Maybe I am wrong then... :sad:
The teens I worked with saw through a lot of the media mis-hype and challenged it by writing and publishing their own magazine aimed at all ages and turned it into a positive for many young people.
They are some though that do, for many reasons, end up being the typical media stereotypical young person as they feel they have no other life choices or can't find a way out from the life they've found themselves in.
Quote by anais
They are some though that do, for many reasons, end up being the typical media stereotypical young person as they feel they have no other life choices or can't find a way out from the life they've found themselves in.
You make it sound like they have signed up to a gang or something similar.
As I have already stated...there are 11 million plus newspaper sales a day, how many of them fall into the gullible trap, as some on here think they all do, unless they read the Guardian or the Times.
What a lot of people do not like is the vast ammounts of people who read the papers that some hate.....nearly six million people a day buy either the Mail or the Sun......are they all gullible fools?
Not really as most are working class people who know what is going on out there, and a powerful force they are too. They helped to change Governments with their army of readers....now that is real power, and has nothing to do with Murdoch as people are more than capable of making their own minds up....or are some saying they are all thickos?
Quote by kentswingers777
They are some though that do, for many reasons, end up being the typical media stereotypical young person as they feel they have no other life choices or can't find a way out from the life they've found themselves in.
You make it sound like they have signed up to a gang or something similar.
Some do, some stay on the peripheral - apart yet a part
:? Many, many don't though - we have loads of young people who really do achieve in this country and I see the positive in everyone (even the older newspaper readers 
). On the subject of papers - I don't buy them, I might read the odd metro on the bus but that's it. Its not fantastic but the adverts are great! :dry:
Sex God
Quote by anais
I was merely using that as an example. What I was hoping to highlight was the insidious use of visual messages by the media, as so far the debate seemed to have focused on the printed word.
Yes I know, I thought that once people are out of their teens they wouls see through this though....
Maybe I am wrong then... :sad:
The teens I worked with saw through a lot of the media mis-hype and challenged itby writing and publishing their own magazine aimed at all ages and turned it into a positive for many young people.
They are some though that do, for many reasons, end up being the typical media stereotypical young person as they feel they have no other life choices or can't find a way out from the life they've found themselves in.
Ah, good news and light at the end of the tunnel :thumbup:
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
They are some though that do, for many reasons, end up being the typical media stereotypical young person as they feel they have no other life choices or can't find a way out from the life they've found themselves in.
You make it sound like they have signed up to a gang or something similar.
As I have already stated...there are 11 million plus newspaper sales a day, how many of them fall into the gullible trap, as some on here think they all do, unless they read the Guardian or the Times.
What a lot of people do not like is the vast ammounts of people who read the papers that some hate.....nearly six million people a day buy either the Mail or the Sun......are they all gullible fools?
Not really as most are working class people who know what is going on out there, and a powerful force they are too.They helped to change Governments with their army of readers....now that is real power, and has nothing to do with Murdoch as people are more than capable of making their own minds up....or are some saying they are all thickos?
Isn't that what I was saying all along.......what right have they to "change" governments?
It has everything to to do with Murdoch,Desmond et al....they decide editorial policy ffs
Sex God
It is widely recognised that those who control the media,and therefore the flow of information hold the reigns of power....this is why the first thing any dictator or despot does is to censor and propagandise the press...look at North Korea....look at china's great firewall....people make decisions based on the knowledge they have to hand if you control that knowledge you control the decision
Quote by kentswingers777
They are some though that do, for many reasons, end up being the typical media stereotypical young person as they feel they have no other life choices or can't find a way out from the life they've found themselves in.
You make it sound like they have signed up to a gang or something similar.
As I have already stated...there are 11 million plus newspaper sales a day, how many of them fall into the gullible trap, as some on here think they all do, unless they read the Guardian or the Times.
What a lot of people do not like is the vast ammounts of people who read the papers that some hate.....nearly six million people a day buy either the Mail or the Sun......are they all gullible fools?
Not really as most are working class people who know what is going on out there, and a powerful force they are too. They helped to change Governments with their army of readers....now that is real power, and has nothing to do with Murdoch as people are more than capable of making their own minds up....or are some saying they are all thickos?
You may want to check out the ABCs here; it's much nearer five million than six million. Shall we play let's add up? 2,979,999 + 2,092,643 = 5,072,642
Ah well, that's nearly six million, in the same way that 84.5% is nearly 100%.
Quote by awayman
You may want to check out the ABCs here; it's much nearer five million than six million. Shall we play let's add up? 2,979,999 + 2,092,643 = 5,072,642
Ah well, that's nearly six million, in the same way that 84.5% is nearly 100%.
These figures show a slightly higher sales figure.
Not quite six million but then I did say " nearly ", and the figures I had were from a web site that is four months old and and sales have dropped a bit over that period of time.
Whether it be 5 million or six million the point remains the same.
What is amusing is that the sales figures for the Guardian
, the Times and the independant come to million...that is not even a 1/4 of the figures for the other two, and I am using three newspapers.To get to the figures for the Mail and The Sun, see how many newspapers you would have to put together to get that figure. I will let you do the maths but.....seven papers or eight?
The reality is whether you like it or not, the media from the publics personna DOES have a huge role to play.
Quote by kentswingers777
You may want to check out the ABCs here; it's much nearer five million than six million. Shall we play let's add up? 2,979,999 + 2,092,643 = 5,072,642
Ah well, that's nearly six million, in the same way that 84.5% is nearly 100%.
These figures show a slightly higher sales figure.
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Not quite six million but then I did say " nearly ", and the figures I had were from a web site that is four months old and and sales have dropped a bit over that period of time.
Whether it be 5 million or six million the point remains the same.
What is amusing is that the sales figures for the Guardian
, the Times and the independant come to million...that is not even a 1/4 of the figures for the other two, and I am using three newspapers.To get to the figures for the Mail and The Sun, see how many newspapers you would have to put together to get that figure. I will let you do the maths but.....seven papers or eight?
The reality is whether you like it or not, the media from the publics personna DOES have a huge role to play.
Did you really mean to quote from an article that's dated April 2007 and doesn't include any details about whether the numbers include bulks or not?
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
They are some though that do, for many reasons, end up being the typical media stereotypical young person as they feel they have no other life choices or can't find a way out from the life they've found themselves in.
You make it sound like they have signed up to a gang or something similar.
As I have already stated...there are 11 million plus newspaper sales a day, how many of them fall into the gullible trap, as some on here think they all do, unless they read the Guardian or the Times.
What a lot of people do not like is the vast ammounts of people who read the papers that some hate.....nearly six million people a day buy either the Mail or the Sun......are they all gullible fools?
Not really as most are working class people who know what is going on out there, and a powerful force they are too.They helped to change Governments with their army of readers....now that is real power, and has nothing to do with Murdoch as people are more than capable of making their own minds up....or are some saying they are all thickos?
Isn't that what I was saying all along.......what right have they to "change" governments?
It has everything to to do with Murdoch,Desmond et al....they decide editorial policy ffs
Yes this is what you have been saying, but This where my thoughts part company with many here, I firmly believe that the papers do not wield this much power at all.
A dictator or despot does control papers and media, but they will control the whole media not just a portion of it.
Quote by Bluefish2009
This where my thoughts part company with many here, I firmly believe that the papers do not wield this much power at all.
You are correct Blue.....of course they do not wield that much power.
The papers report and the public either believe or they do not. It is well known that the Sun carries a huge readership which have swayed the voting in an election, just the same as the readership of the Mirror help to get Labour into power.
Because someone reads a certain paper everyday does not mean they will vote along with whatever the paper says...people are not that gullible.
But we live in a world now where news sells. It is what people want to know...the likes of Hindley and recently Moat. People want to read those kinds of stories, they want to be told if some illegal is renting out a 2 grand a week house at taxpayers expense.
The likes of the Guardian have no clout at all as check their flimsy readership figures, maybe they hate the Mail and the Sun for the same reasons....they have no power at all.
Papers of course have power to write but they do not have the power to force people to believe, the same could be said of Governments.
The same media haters are the same people who hate wealth and success. They do not mind people having a little of both, but hate with a passion rich and successful people no matter how they acquired it.
Anyone who really believes that people are swayed by newspapers, really need to get a serious grip on reality.
They have a part to play Blue as the majority of newspaper readers want it.
Quote by kentswingers777
This where my thoughts part company with many here, I firmly believe that the papers do not wield this much power at all.
You are correct Blue.....of course they do not wield that much power.
The papers report and the public either believe or they do not. It is well known that the Sun carries a huge readership which have swayed the voting in an election, just the same as the readership of the Mirror help to get Labour into power.
Because someone reads a certain paper everyday does not mean they will vote along with whatever the paper says...people are not that gullible.
But we live in a world now where news sells. It is what people want to know...the likes of Hindley and recently Moat. People want to read those kinds of stories, they want to be told if some illegal is renting out a 2 grand a week house at taxpayers expense.
The likes of the Guardian have no clout at all as check their flimsy readership figures, maybe they hate the Mail and the Sun for the same reasons....they have no power at all.
Papers of course have power to write but they do not have the power to force people to believe, the same could be said of Governments.
The same media haters are the same people who hate wealth and success. They do not mind people having a little of both, but hate with a passion rich and successful people no matter how they acquired it.
Anyone who really believes that people are swayed by newspapers, really need to get a serious grip on reality.
They have a part to play Blue as the majority of newspaper readers want it.
What about those of us who're still baffled by you quoting figures from 2007?
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
This where my thoughts part company with many here, I firmly believe that the papers do not wield this much power at all.
You are correct Blue.....of course they do not wield that much power.
The papers report and the public either believe or they do not. It is well known that the Sun carries a huge readership which have swayed the voting in an election, just the same as the readership of the Mirror help to get Labour into power.
Because someone reads a certain paper everyday does not mean they will vote along with whatever the paper says...people are not that gullible.
As I said above people make decisions based on the information they have,where do you think Sun,Mail,Guardian,Mirror readers get the bulk of their information ??Yet still we're to believe that they do not wield a disproportionate amount of power ??
But we live in a world now where news sells. It is what people want to know...the likes of Hindley and recently Moat. People want to read those kinds of stories, they want to be told if some illegal is renting out a 2 grand a week house at taxpayers expense.
But we're only ever told half the story...we never read about those succesfully rehabilitated and playing a usefull part in society ..we never read for instance that the number of households claiming £1000 plus in housing benefit is the massive total of 100....We're only ever told enough to colour our opinion only ever enough to serve the purposes of the papers editorial policy...only ever enough to lead us to the conclusion they want...yet still we are to believe that they do not hold a disproportionate amount of power ??
The likes of the Guardian have no clout at all as check their flimsy readership figures, maybe they hate the Mail and the Sun for the same reasons....they have no power at all.
Some of us actually think that the Guardian and Mirror are as bad as the rest....non of the papers reports all of the papers "editorialise" all of their content..it doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum they sit,seeking to influence Government and public opinion is in their position iresponsible to say the least...I save my ire for the owners of the right-wing media because..a)Obviously I have less in common with their view point...b)they are by far the worst offenders...and c)their hypocrisy and sheer gall is absolutely astounding
Papers of course have power to write but they do not have the power to force people to believe, the same could be said of Governments.
No-one has suggested the papers ever force anyone to do anything if you are told often enough that the sky is pink you will eventually come to believe it,if you ring a bell when you feed a dog eventually it will salivate at the sound of the bell alone,it's called conditioning.....you/we are being trained to believe what they want us to.
The same media haters are the same people who hate wealth and success. They do not mind people having a little of both, but hate with a passion rich and successful people no matter how they acquired it.
We've done this before haven't we...I'm bored with it,it isn't true and you it appears seem to believe the same as me....tell someone something often enough and they will begin to think it's true...for someone who thinks the media wield no influence you seem rather keen to adopt their methods...disinformation,suggestion and pure bollocks based on inaccurate supposition.
Anyone who really believes that people are swayed by newspapers, really need to get a serious grip on reality.
If you were for one minute to take your head out of the pile of sand in which it seems to be firmly planted you could turn round and perhaps notice that the exact opposite is in fact true
They have a part to play Blue as the majority of newspaper readers want it.
Warming the Bed
It makes me laugh to see Kent quoting sales figures as if it's some measure of quality. Who cares if x million people buy a publication? By that reckoning Transformers 2 is better than say Up in the Air because it more people went to see it.
We live in a society where people watch stuff like X-factor and American Idol, is it any surprise that the Sun is the biggest seller? In a country where Jordan can be a bestseller why are you gleefully reporting the Sun tops sales? It's inevitable.
I don't doubt that there are people who can read between the lines, much like there are people who watch Fox News for jokes but for the most part the people who are buy these magazines will gleefully parrot whatever it is they read.
I mean even the way the Sun is written is designed to teach people what to think. Capitalising words etc.
Some people might see through this, but there are others (and believe me they are in the majority) who swallow this word for word.
We live in a society where people watch stuff like X-factor and American Idol, is it any surprise that the Sun is the biggest seller? In a country where Jordan can be a bestseller why are you gleefully reporting the Sun tops sales? It's inevitable.
I don't doubt that there are people who can read between the lines, much like there are people who watch Fox News for jokes but for the most part the people who are buy these magazines will gleefully parrot whatever it is they read.
I mean even the way the Sun is written is designed to teach people what to think. Capitalising words etc.
Some people might see through this, but there are others (and believe me they are in the majority) who swallow this word for word.
Sex God
the sun does however come up with some very quirky headlines
a bit like this one
:rotflmao::rotflmao:
a bit like this one
:rotflmao::rotflmao: Sex God
i don't know where the idea that papers have a political agenda could possibly come from
Quote by awayman
What about those of us who're still baffled by you quoting figures from 2007?
I admit I looked at the top of that page and it gave today's date, so assumed ( assume nothing I know ), that it was correct.
I presume the only one who is baffled or gives a "flying fuck" is yourself. I made a slight mistake wow.........bet that has made your day.:giggle:
Even though it is three years old the figures are not that far out from your more up to date link............your point is exactly?
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
No-one has suggested the papers ever force anyone to do anything if you are told often enough that the sky is pink you will eventually come to believe it
Sorry that is utter rubbish...do you really believe that fgs?
You have a very sad view of people if that is what you think.
I make my own mind up on what I read, and yes I will agree that there may well only be 100 people getting huge rents paid for them, and that the rest is never reported, but human nature as it is wants to hear about the ones that get away with it and not the ones who do not.
Be it newspapers or people in general, they can all exaggerate issues to suit their own purpose but, you are tarring a heck of a lot of people with the same sordid brush.
I do not go with all that psychiatric bollocks about people will believe whatever if you tell them long enough, I would think a hell of a lot of people would have something to say about that and it would not be friendly.
Quote by kentswingers777
What about those of us who're still baffled by you quoting figures from 2007?
I admit I looked at the top of that page and it gave today's date, so assumed ( assume nothing I know ), that it was correct.
I presume the only one who is baffled or gives a "flying fuck" is yourself. I made a slight mistake wow.........bet that has made your day.:giggle:
Even though it is three years old the figures are not that far out from your more up to date link............your point is exactly?[/quote
They're a long way from nearly six million.
I think I was making the point that you're an unreliable source.
And you keep on proving me right.
The truth matters Ken...
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
This where my thoughts part company with many here, I firmly believe that the papers do not wield this much power at all.
You are correct Blue.....of course they do not wield that much power.
The papers report and the public either believe or they do not. It is well known that the Sun carries a huge readership which have swayed the voting in an election, just the same as the readership of the Mirror help to get Labour into power.
Because someone reads a certain paper everyday does not mean they will vote along with whatever the paper says...people are not that gullible.
As I said above people make decisions based on the information they have,where do you think Sun,Mail,Guardian,Mirror readers get the bulk of their information ??Yet still we're to believe that they do not wield a disproportionate amount of power ??
But we live in a world now where news sells. It is what people want to know...the likes of Hindley and recently Moat. People want to read those kinds of stories, they want to be told if some illegal is renting out a 2 grand a week house at taxpayers expense.
But we're only ever told half the story...we never read about those succesfully rehabilitated and playing a usefull part in society ..we never read for instance that the number of households claiming £1000 plus in housing benefit is the massive total of 100....We're only ever told enough to colour our opinion only ever enough to serve the purposes of the papers editorial policy...only ever enough to lead us to the conclusion they want...yet still we are to believe that they do not hold a disproportionate amount of power ??
The likes of the Guardian have no clout at all as check their flimsy readership figures, maybe they hate the Mail and the Sun for the same reasons....they have no power at all.
Some of us actually think that the Guardian and Mirror are as bad as the rest....non of the papers reports all of the papers "editorialise" all of their content..it doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum they sit,seeking to influence Government and public opinion is in their position iresponsible to say the least...I save my ire for the owners of the right-wing media because..a)Obviously I have less in common with their view point...b)they are by far the worst offenders...and c)their hypocrisy and sheer gall is absolutely astounding
Papers of course have power to write but they do not have the power to force people to believe, the same could be said of Governments.
No-one has suggested the papers ever force anyone to do anything if you are told often enough that the sky is pink you will eventually come to believe it,if you ring a bell when you feed a dog eventually it will salivate at the sound of the bell alone,it's called conditioning.....you/we are being trained to believe what they want us to.
The same media haters are the same people who hate wealth and success. They do not mind people having a little of both, but hate with a passion rich and successful people no matter how they acquired it.
We've done this before haven't we...I'm bored with it,it isn't true and you it appears seem to believe the same as me....tell someone something often enough and they will begin to think it's true...for someone who thinks the media wield no influence you seem rather keen to adopt their methods...disinformation,suggestion and pure bollocks based on inaccurate supposition.
Anyone who really believes that people are swayed by newspapers, really need to get a serious grip on reality.
If you were for one minute to take your head out of the pile of sand in which it seems to be firmly planted you could turn round and perhaps notice that the exact opposite is in fact true
They have a part to play Blue as the majority of newspaper readers want it.
I had no idea I had done so
perhaps too busy with the bloody sand in my ears :lol: Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
I think I was making the point that you're an unreliable source.
Ah right and that is because????
I shall have to have a word with my therapist, as thought those days were behind me.
Cheers for the advice though.
As far as I am aware the source is factual!
Maybe it should have been this unreliable source,,, Sorry it is not todays date but is from this year.
The point I like is this...." The Sun still managed to push its circulation back over three million with a month-on-month increase of per cent to take it to 3,006,565.".
The funniest? :lol:
" The biggest faller of the dailies was the Daily Mirror as it recorded a year-on-year fall of per cent to an average circulation of 1,366,891 last month."
In another link... " In stark contrast, The Observer, The Sunday Telegraph, The Guardian, The Times and The Daily Telegraph all recorded double digit declines in circulation year-on-year.
No suprise there then. :twisted:
The point I like is this...." The Sun still managed to push its circulation back over three million with a month-on-month increase of per cent to take it to 3,006,565.".
The funniest? :lol:
" The biggest faller of the dailies was the Daily Mirror as it recorded a year-on-year fall of per cent to an average circulation of 1,366,891 last month."
In another link... " In stark contrast, The Observer, The Sunday Telegraph, The Guardian, The Times and The Daily Telegraph all recorded double digit declines in circulation year-on-year.
No suprise there then. :twisted:
Sex God
Quote by Bluefish2009
This where my thoughts part company with many here, I firmly believe that the papers do not wield this much power at all.
You are correct Blue.....of course they do not wield that much power.
The papers report and the public either believe or they do not. It is well known that the Sun carries a huge readership which have swayed the voting in an election, just the same as the readership of the Mirror help to get Labour into power.
Because someone reads a certain paper everyday does not mean they will vote along with whatever the paper says...people are not that gullible.
As I said above people make decisions based on the information they have,where do you think Sun,Mail,Guardian,Mirror readers get the bulk of their information ??Yet still we're to believe that they do not wield a disproportionate amount of power ??
But we live in a world now where news sells. It is what people want to know...the likes of Hindley and recently Moat. People want to read those kinds of stories, they want to be told if some illegal is renting out a 2 grand a week house at taxpayers expense.
But we're only ever told half the story...we never read about those succesfully rehabilitated and playing a usefull part in society ..we never read for instance that the number of households claiming £1000 plus in housing benefit is the massive total of 100....We're only ever told enough to colour our opinion only ever enough to serve the purposes of the papers editorial policy...only ever enough to lead us to the conclusion they want...yet still we are to believe that they do not hold a disproportionate amount of power ??
The likes of the Guardian have no clout at all as check their flimsy readership figures, maybe they hate the Mail and the Sun for the same reasons....they have no power at all.
Some of us actually think that the Guardian and Mirror are as bad as the rest....non of the papers reports all of the papers "editorialise" all of their content..it doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum they sit,seeking to influence Government and public opinion is in their position iresponsible to say the least...I save my ire for the owners of the right-wing media because..a)Obviously I have less in common with their view point...b)they are by far the worst offenders...and c)their hypocrisy and sheer gall is absolutely astounding
Papers of course have power to write but they do not have the power to force people to believe, the same could be said of Governments.
No-one has suggested the papers ever force anyone to do anything if you are told often enough that the sky is pink you will eventually come to believe it,if you ring a bell when you feed a dog eventually it will salivate at the sound of the bell alone,it's called conditioning.....you/we are being trained to believe what they want us to.
The same media haters are the same people who hate wealth and success. They do not mind people having a little of both, but hate with a passion rich and successful people no matter how they acquired it.
We've done this before haven't we...I'm bored with it,it isn't true and you it appears seem to believe the same as me....tell someone something often enough and they will begin to think it's true...for someone who thinks the media wield no influence you seem rather keen to adopt their methods...disinformation,suggestion and pure bollocks based on inaccurate supposition.
Anyone who really believes that people are swayed by newspapers, really need to get a serious grip on reality.
If you were for one minute to take your head out of the pile of sand in which it seems to be firmly planted you could turn round and perhaps notice that the exact opposite is in fact true
They have a part to play Blue as the majority of newspaper readers want it.
I had no idea I had done so
perhaps too busy with the bloody sand in my ears :lol:Selective quotation aswell ....tut tut .....have you ever considered a career in journalism :lol:
Sex God
I guess I quoted on the bits I dissagree with Stags...
Also busy with my application letter to the papers sadly my talents are manual not academic
*In edit* I should point out, I do not like news papers and do no buy them, on very rare occations I do buy private eye
Also busy with my application letter to the papers
sadly my talents are manual not academic*In edit* I should point out, I do not like news papers and do no buy them, on very rare occations I do buy private eye
Quote by kentswingers777
Maybe it should have been this unreliable source,,, Sorry it is not todays date but is from this year.
The point I like is this...." The Sun still managed to push its circulation back over three million with a month-on-month increase of per cent to take it to 3,006,565.".
The funniest? :lol:
" The biggest faller of the dailies was the Daily Mirror as it recorded a year-on-year fall of per cent to an average circulation of 1,366,891 last month."
In another link... " In stark contrast, The Observer, The Sunday Telegraph, The Guardian, The Times and The Daily Telegraph all recorded double digit declines in circulation year-on-year.
No suprise there then. :twisted:
I've already linked to the most up to date stats, and had the nous to link to the paid for numbers, not the circulation including bulks, which you keep linking to.
The reference to your therapist was very very funny by the way....
Sex God
Quote by Bluefish2009
I guess I quoted on the bits I dissagree with Stags...
Also busy with my application letter to the papers
*In edit* I should point out, I do not like news papers and do no buy them, on very rare occations I do buy private eye
the point wasn't aimed in your direction blue
