RSPCA court controversy

5 Feb 2013

Quote by starlightcouple

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I may have this as my profile picture.

You might, but they don't.
No sign of any lovely cuddly foxes on the poster star... Just a rabbit and a ginger tom, both renowned for their reproductive ability... So yes, a good suggestion of yours having it as your profile picture on a swinging site :lol2:

5 Feb 2013

Quote by GnV
No sign of any lovely cuddly foxes on the poster star...

Or any sheep either GnV. flipa

5 Feb 2013

Thank goodness for the RSPCA eh?
The article states... ' Michael Clifford Harness and Shaun Parkin, both from Hull, have been prosecuted by the RSPCA in two separate neglect cases'.
This is the kind of work that people's money gets spent on, or are people possibly suggesting that prosecuting in this case was also a waste of contributors donations?
These are just the tip of a very big iceberg of fantastic work the RSPCA do, and then there are some people out there who try and rubbish their work. I have upped my monthly donation to £8 a month, not a vast amount but am proud of it. :thumbup:

6 Feb 2013

Quote by starlightcouple

:thumbup:
I may have this as my profile picture.

Hmmm one brought into this country as a food animal and the other brought in for goodness knows what reason. Neither indigenous and both with huge wild/feral populations, one of which is responsible for the destruction of thousands upon thousands of native small birds and small mammals as well as a similar number of migratory birds.
While I don't approve of damaging any animal - I would have no problem with a programme of eradication. We should at least permanently remove all un-owned cats, chip & spay all pet cats and put rabbit back on the menu.
<steps back and awaits the brick-bats>

6 Feb 2013

Quote by foxylady2209

:thumbup:
I may have this as my profile picture.

Hmmm one brought into this country as a food animal and the other brought in for goodness knows what reason. Neither indigenous and both with huge wild/feral populations, one of which is responsible for the destruction of thousands upon thousands of native small birds and small mammals as well as a similar number of migratory birds.
While I don't approve of damaging any animal - I would have no problem with a programme of eradication. We should at least permanently remove all un-owned cats, chip & spay all pet cats and put rabbit back on the menu.
<steps back and awaits the brick-bats>
If I had my way, all unowned animals should be permanently removed. All owned animals should be chipped, with a charge. Can't afford it, tough, you cant have the animal.
BTW foxy cats are responsible for millions of bird deaths. Irresponsible owners should have them fitted with collars with bells.

6 Feb 2013

Quote by foxylady2209
Hmmm one brought into this country as a food animal and the other brought in for goodness knows what reason. Neither indigenous and both with huge wild/feral populations, one of which is responsible for the destruction of thousands upon thousands of native small birds and small mammals as well as a similar number of migratory birds.
While I don't approve of damaging any animal - I would have no problem with a programme of eradication. We should at least permanently remove all un-owned cats, chip & spay all pet cats and put rabbit back on the menu.
<steps back and awaits the brick-bats>

I'm all for it Foxy. Lets get rid of these non native species forever.
Shall we start with cats? Rabbits? Or maybe one of these:
3 Species of Deer
The fat dormouse
3 Species of duck
White tailed eagle
6 Species of goose
Night heron
Red Kite
5 Species of pheasant
Grey Squirrel
or maybe the Barn owl
There are also many other non native species that have thrived here over the years to get rid off as well.
But why stop there. Lets get rid of non native plantlife too. Goodbye potato, tomato, carrot, melon, cucumber, courgette, stinging nettles (definetly agree on this one), peppers, aubergines, turnip or swede.
In fact the list of non native animals, plantlife, and crucially food is long. Looks like it's a barren diet for ourselves from now on eh?

7 Feb 2013

Quote by Trevaunance
Hmmm one brought into this country as a food animal and the other brought in for goodness knows what reason. Neither indigenous and both with huge wild/feral populations, one of which is responsible for the destruction of thousands upon thousands of native small birds and small mammals as well as a similar number of migratory birds.
While I don't approve of damaging any animal - I would have no problem with a programme of eradication. We should at least permanently remove all un-owned cats, chip & spay all pet cats and put rabbit back on the menu.
<steps back and awaits the brick-bats>

I'm all for it Foxy. Lets get rid of these non native species forever.
Shall we start with cats? Rabbits? Or maybe one of these:
3 Species of Deer
The fat dormouse
3 Species of duck
White tailed eagle
6 Species of goose
Night heron
Red Kite
5 Species of pheasant
Grey Squirrel
or maybe the Barn owl
There are also many other non native species that have thrived here over the years to get rid off as well.
But why stop there. Lets get rid of non native plantlife too. Goodbye potato, tomato, carrot, melon, cucumber, courgette, stinging nettles (definetly agree on this one), peppers, aubergines, turnip or swede.
In fact the list of non native animals, plantlife, and crucially food is long. Looks like it's a barren diet for ourselves from now on eh?
That's not what Foxy said Trev, she was just saying wild cats there isn't that many should be controlled and rabbit should be eaten more often.
Rabbit would get my vote for consumption as it's very tasty and very tender!

7 Feb 2013

Quote by Rogue_Trader
If I had my way, all unowned animals should be permanently removed. All owned animals should be chipped, with a charge. Can't afford it, tough, you cant have the animal.

Oh Rogue...........you're all heart.

Quote by Rogue_Trader
BTW foxy cats are responsible for millions of bird deaths. Irresponsible owners should have them fitted with collars with bells.

Until such a time when the law requires a cat owner to do this, thankfully once again, just your opinion.
As a cat lover, and an animal that is covered by law, there are many cases of a person either trapping or killing a cat, and the RSPCA do prosecute people for this. What is your stance on that?
A dog chases a cat and a cat chases birds, been going on for yonks. Huntsmen chase foxes with dogs, and then the dogs rip the fox apart in the name of sport. Is that acceptable?
The law very clearly states in the animal act, a cat is a ' free spirit ', and is as I have stated already covered by the law. Both my cats have collars but no bells I am afraid as whilst a bell alerts the birds, it also alerts other predators that my cats are about. Nothing illegal here I am afraid. Is it right to protect the bird and not the fox?
Oh and I think Trev's comment did have a point also.

7 Feb 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
As a cat lover, and an animal that is covered by law, there are many cases of a person either trapping or killing a cat, and the RSPCA do prosecute people for this. What is your stance on that?

Prosecution to the full extent of the law. Including imprisonment and banning of owning an animal for life.

Quote by starlightcouple
A dog chases a cat and a cat chases birds, been going on for yonks. Huntsmen chase foxes with dogs, and then the dogs rip the fox apart in the name of sport. Is that acceptable?

Certainly not. If an animal is to be controlled then there are methods which are painless.

Quote by starlightcouple
The law very clearly states in the animal act, a cat is a ' free spirit ', and is as I have stated already covered by the law. Both my cats have collars but no bells I am afraid as whilst a bell alerts the birds, it also alerts other predators that my cats are about. Nothing illegal here I am afraid. Is it right to protect the bird and not the fox?

Foxes are covered for cruelty and birds are protected also.

Quote by starlightcouple
Oh and I think Trev's comment did have a point also.

What point was that post making?? Foxy didn't say remove animals from the UK only control. Trev said to remove them...is that valid then? Do you think that animals that have migrated here should be removed Star? It does up hold your thinking that all migrants should be sent back home, human and non-human.

7 Feb 2013

Quote by Rogue_Trader
Foxes are covered for cruelty and birds are protected also.

So a fox being ripped to pieces by a group of rabid dogs is not cruel? In which case the Fox should be covered by the law, and surely more prosecutions? Foxes are vermin and a damn nuisance in country folks eyes so eradicate them by the use of dogs. I dislike pigeons which are considered vermin by many, and a lot of people would see it fit if cats eradicated them, but not other fluffy little birdies. An animal is surely an animal?

Quote by Rogue_Trader
What point was that post making?? Foxy didn't say remove animals from the UK only control. Trev said to remove them...is that valid then? Do you think that animals that have migrated here should be removed Star? It does up hold your thinking that all migrants should be sent back home, human and non-human.

A bit of a sneaky answer there Rogue.
Where have I ever said ' all migrants should be sent back '? I want a cap on the numbers coming in which is what most people want done. Immigration is right up there in peoples are a small Island and we are full up to bursting. Still this is a thread about the RSPCA not Migrant Watch.
I think Trev was making a point against Foxy's comment, not siding with it or am I missing something. Trev can you confirm what you meant as one of us has got the interpretation of your reply wrong.

7 Feb 2013

Quote by starlightcouple

Foxes are covered for cruelty and birds are protected also.

So a fox being ripped to pieces by a group of rabid dogs is not cruel? In which case the Fox should be covered by the law, and surely more prosecutions? Foxes are vermin and a damn nuisance in country folks eyes so eradicate them by the use of dogs. I dislike pigeons which are considered vermin by many, and a lot of people would see it fit if cats eradicated them, but not other fluffy little birdies. An animal is surely an animal?
Star, cruelty is cruelty in my eyes. There is no need to be cruel to end an animals life.
And yes there should be a lot more prosecutions and a lot heavier fines and imprisonment involved!

7 Feb 2013

Quote by Rogue_Trader

Foxes are covered for cruelty and birds are protected also.

So a fox being ripped to pieces by a group of rabid dogs is not cruel? In which case the Fox should be covered by the law, and surely more prosecutions? Foxes are vermin and a damn nuisance in country folks eyes so eradicate them by the use of dogs. I dislike pigeons which are considered vermin by many, and a lot of people would see it fit if cats eradicated them, but not other fluffy little birdies. An animal is surely an animal?
Star, cruelty is cruelty in my eyes. There is no need to be cruel to end an animals life.
And yes there should be a lot more prosecutions and a lot heavier fines and imprisonment involved!
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Cannot do anything but agree 100% Rogue.

7 Feb 2013

Quote by foxylady2209
While I don't approve of damaging any animal - I would have no problem with a programme of eradication. We should at least permanently remove all un-owned cats, chip & spay all pet cats and put rabbit back on the menu.

Quote by Rogue_Trader
That's not what Foxy said Trev, she was just saying wild cats there isn't that many should be controlled and rabbit should be eaten more often.
Rabbit would get my vote for consumption as it's very tasty and very tender!

I totally agree that Rabbit is nice to eat :thumbup:
However the 'programme of eradication' includes a statement about spaying all pet cats. Which would eradicate the species entirely in the UK as pet animals slowly die off.

7 Feb 2013

I'm sorry Trev I mis-read Foxy's post, I thought she just meant eradication of the feral population of cats. I didnt realise she wished the extermination of my little tom cat as well! So no, I do not agree with her post at all and re-tract my previous statement.
Control is the key. Also and added benefit with the neuteuring of animals means they are less likely to roam and less aggressive. Which can only be a good thing surely?
My cats were sorted as soon as they were old enough, plus they wear collars with bells. If they lose them then we replace.

7 Feb 2013

Quote by Rogue_Trader
I'm sorry Trev I mis-read Foxy's post, I thought she just meant eradication of the feral population of cats.

Becoming a bit of a habit this mis- reading Rogue. :doh:

7 Feb 2013

To clarify:
With apologies for the harsh words but I don't want to cloud the issue with euphamisms.
I would support actions to -
Kill all feral cats.
Spay all pets (cats/dogs) apart from very restricted breeders (I add this but I should have included it earlier).
Any 'found' cats/dogs to be spayed before rehoming, if they can't be rehomed they go the same way as the ferals.
All pets bigger than a hamster should be chipped at least so they can be returned to their owners if lost/stolen. But also so strays can be identified and destroyed. And so animals that harm pets, property or people can be traced to their owners who would feel the full weight of the law applied to them.
Rabbits have no place in the wild in the UK - they are an introduced species and damage crops. It's highly unlikely we could fully eradicate them, but if we ate them that would deal with plenty of them. They are a FOOD animal just like pigs and cows.
I hate to see animals suffer - have no problem seeing them dead.
Feel free to hold different opinions - please do not feel free to tell me mine are 'wrong'.

7 Feb 2013

Quote by foxylady2209
To clarify:
With apologies for the harsh words but I don't want to cloud the issue with euphamisms.
I would support actions to -
Kill all feral cats.
Spay all pets (cats/dogs) apart from very restricted breeders (I add this but I should have included it earlier).
Any 'found' cats/dogs to be spayed before rehoming, if they can't be rehomed they go the same way as the ferals.
All pets bigger than a hamster should be chipped at least so they can be returned to their owners if lost/stolen. But also so strays can be identified and destroyed. And so animals that harm pets, property or people can be traced to their owners who would feel the full weight of the law applied to them.
Rabbits have no place in the wild in the UK - they are an introduced species and damage crops. It's highly unlikely we could fully eradicate them, but if we ate them that would deal with plenty of them. They are a FOOD animal just like pigs and cows.
I hate to see animals suffer - have no problem seeing them dead.
Feel free to hold different opinions - please do not feel free to tell me mine are 'wrong'.

Don't argue with a lot you have written there Foxy, but the bit I highlighted I think happens as a matter of course nowadays. The killing of a stray that has not been re-homed is harsh to say the least, and is something the likes of the RSPCA do only as a last resort.
Cannot understand the logic about rabbits, but hey that is your opinion to have.

7 Feb 2013

Quote by flower411
I must admit I`ve never understood why people who disagree with hunting with dogs are perfectly OK with sending their pets out to torture and maim other animals. I suppose it`s just a case of out of sight out mind

Where is the smack in the face with a wet kipper emotion gone, as I need to use it !

7 Feb 2013

Quote by flower411

I must admit I`ve never understood why people who disagree with hunting with dogs are perfectly OK with sending their pets out to torture and maim other animals. I suppose it`s just a case of out of sight out mind

Where is the smack in the face with a wet kipper emotion gone, as I need to use it !
OMG Fishing !! Don`t get me started on torturing fish by sticking hooks in thier mouths, playing with them on the end of a bit of string and then throwing them back !!! Bloody sadistic way of spending time !!
There are certainly some strange fuckers out there blink

7 Feb 2013

What? The ones who fish or those who abhor it?
For my part, I really don't see the point of the likes of carp fishing which is a 'sport' very much in demand n these parts.
They sit around a pond all day and night with rod alarms and when they get a catch, they all group together for a photo then unhook the poor unfortunate creature and throw it back in loon

I could understand it if they fired up the barby and had a celebration fry up with a few cold beers and some tartare sauce!
It was once suggested to me that, when interviewing someone for a job, if they admitted to fishing as a hobby not to take them on. Certainly not team players as they are generally loners and best avoided.

7 Feb 2013

Quote by GnV
What? The ones who fish or those who abhor it?
For my part, I really don't see the point of the likes of carp fishing which is a 'sport' very much in demand n these parts.
They sit around a pond all day and night with rod alarms and when they get a catch, they all group together for a photo then unhook the poor unfortunate creature and throw it back in
I could understand it if they fired up the barby and had a celebration fry up with a few cold beers and some tartare sauce!
It was once suggested to me that, when interviewing someone for a job, if they admitted to fishing as a hobby not to take them on. Certainly not team players as they are generally loners and best avoided.

nothing like going out on a boat and catching your dinner the same by a stream for a decent trout
just for the record nothing wrong with a fresh shot WILD rabbit,gooose, or a nice fresh piece of venison
but then you guys seem the type that like your dirty work done for you flipa

7 Feb 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
I'm sorry Trev I mis-read Foxy's post, I thought she just meant eradication of the feral population of cats.

Becoming a bit of a habit this mis- reading Rogue. :doh:
aaah so I hadn't mis-read it then Star...jump to conclusions quick dontcha?

7 Feb 2013

Quote by flower411
What? The ones who fish or those who abhor it?
For my part, I really don't see the point of the likes of carp fishing which is a 'sport' very much in demand n these parts.
They sit around a pond all day and night with rod alarms and when they get a catch, they all group together for a photo then unhook the poor unfortunate creature and throw it back in
I could understand it if they fired up the barby and had a celebration fry up with a few cold beers and some tartare sauce!
It was once suggested to me that, when interviewing someone for a job, if they admitted to fishing as a hobby not to take them on. Certainly not team players as they are generally loners and best avoided.

nothing like going out on a boat and catching your dinner the same by a stream for a decent trout
just for the record nothing wrong with a fresh shot WILD rabbit,gooose, or a nice fresh piece of venison
but then you guys seem the type that like your dirty work done for you flipa

Nothing wrong with eating the fish ..... it`s the ones that torture them, throw them back and then call it sport !
so how does it become the biggest pastime in the uk ?

10 Feb 2013

Quote by Trevaunance
I suspect you credit me with too much, I am willing to bet all those on here who supported the RSPCA still do, and those that did not, still do not

I only credit you with drumming up my support for their current campaign on live exports, something I assure you, I wasn't even aware of a few weeks ago.
Don't think I have claimed otherwise :thumbup:
Support for the campaign on live export is a good thing in my view

10 Feb 2013

Quote by starlightcouple

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I may have this as my profile picture.

RSPCA sure put down a lot of animals, funds will only go so far of coarse so £300,000 would have homed a lot of animals for a long time

10 Feb 2013

Quote by Rogue_Trader
Certainly not. If an animal is to be controlled then there are methods which are painless.

I would say hunting with hounds is the least painless manor of fox control. It is selective, none wounding and as close to nature intended as could possibly be achieved
Show me another full-proof method and I may change my opinion

10 Feb 2013

I eat rabbit, and enjoy it. I would also happily see cats eradicated

10 Feb 2013

Quote by Bluefish2009
I eat rabbit, and enjoy it. I would also happily see cats eradicated

What would fox taste like?

10 Feb 2013

Quote by GnV
I eat rabbit, and enjoy it. I would also happily see cats eradicated

What would fox taste like?
I do not know, I have tried many meats but not fox

10 Feb 2013

RSPCA....
Only interested in big,high profile cases...
The conditions they have returned some animals to beggars belief...
And on more than 1 occasion as well...
Returning animals to a woman who has mental health issues and can barely look after herself let alone her pets and keeps the animals in squalid conditions....
They took the animals from her....Fed them back up to a decent state of health then gave them back to her so she could do it all over again...