RSPCA court controversy

16 Mar 2013

Quote by Steve
I have no answer as to what I would put in place of the RSPCA but I can say that I have knowledge of several instances where they have done little or nothing to help animals in danger....
The woman who had all these animals taken from her has done this before and still they allowed her to have more animals....

Quote by Rogue_Trader
They??? they aren't an enforcement agency...look to your Police for that. They are a charity who enforce through bringing prosecutions on behalf of the public.

Yes and look what happened Rogue when the RSPCA went to the police over the hunt hunting foxes, and the RSPCA even had it on film. What did the Police do about that? Nothing is what, and then the RSPCA got slaughtered on here over the costs. But I never heard Steve mention anything about the Police taking no action, which upholding the law is what I thought the Police were there for??.

Quote by Rogue_Trader
I would rather that we had them than not. For every bad case you bring to the debate, we could produce 20 good ones.

Exactly Rogue. Plus Steve for all chat about rabbits etc, has not got a single word about how you would replace them, if anyone wants them replaced that is. Yes there will always be examples of them not acting as others think they should have, but I have not heard the RSAPCA's response to this case, as it is on that Facebroke thingy site.
I am not saying it is not true, but every coin has two sides, and the RSPCA do indeed do fantastic work like the link I posted of that poor dog, which was conveniently dismissed.

20 Mar 2013

These two dogs at least will thank the organisation that is the RSPCA for saving their poor lives. :thumbup:

20 Mar 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
I am not saying it is not true, but every coin has two sides,

Well as you seem to be so knowledgeable and well informed.....You tell me what the "other side of the story" is then....
Tell me why these animals were kept in such appaling conditions and were visited by the RSPCA yet no prosecution was recommended despite this being the second time this woman has done this ....

20 Mar 2013

Quote by Steve

I am not saying it is not true, but every coin has two sides,

21 Mar 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
I am not saying it is not true, but every coin has two sides,

Quote by Steve
Well as you seem to be so knowledgeable and well informed.....You tell me what the "other side of the story" is then....
Tell me why these animals were kept in such appaling conditions and were visited by the RSPCA yet no prosecution was recommended despite this being the second time this woman has done this ....

You seem to often have a one sided view on things. I cannot believe you are like that with everything in your life, so why be like it with this charity?
They are not fucking perfect Steve...........who is? They do a damn fine job most of the time but without this charity without any shadow of a doubt, there would be worse cases and animals would suffer more than they currently are. I give money every month to the RSPCA, and Cancer research and I cannot think of any other more worthwhile charities for me to give my money to.
You gave an account of one side of a story and I cannot find anything written by the RSPCA in response, don't you kinda think that a bit strange? They are a charity run by people's donations and whilst the RSPCA haters out there had plenty to say over the court costs they had to pay, who btw pay fuck all to this charity, the donators in general were more than happy to see this hunt prosecuted and their donations spent this way.
You don't like the RSPCA Steve and that's fine, but you definitely have a lop sided view of them, and as I have said many times before I would much rather they be here than not.

22 Mar 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
You gave an account of one side of a story and I cannot find anything written by the RSPCA in response, don't you kinda think that a bit strange?

So if something isn't public it' doesn't even warrant considering ?
If it wasn't for keeping this side of my life private from the other side of my life I could point you in the direction of at least 200 people who would be more than happy to confirm everything I have said and back it up with photographs...
In fact I am off to Peterborough on Sunday to fetch a cpl of the animals and take them to their new homes....
So you see.....I don't need to donate to a charity to make myself feel good....
I spend my time and money doing good where a charity that exists to look after animals welfare did not...

22 Mar 2013

Quote by flower411
And there`s the point in a nutshell.....some people give money to the RSPCA and then boast incessantly about how they love animals and how wonderful they are and others just get on with actually doing something.

22 Mar 2013

Quote by starlightcouple

And there`s the point in a nutshell.....some people give money to the RSPCA and then boast incessantly about how they love animals and how wonderful they are and others just get on with actually doing something.

Yada yada yada.......... So YOU think every story told on here to be factual then do you? As usual your constant jibes at me show others exactly the kind of person you are. I expect your little mate will be along any minute to back you up. How tiresome. :sleeping:
Flower's comments are so true in other aspects of life, not just the RSPCA.
People think that by throwing money at a problem charitably that they are somehow given absolution and that they will surely enter the Kingdom of Heaven because they are better than everyone else rolleyes

The real heros are those that quietly roll their sleeves up and get their hands dirty doing something practical and real rather than just feeding self serving cretins who drum on about the good they do.
I have every admiration for the doers in society and detest with a passion those others which star seems to suggest are the people he prefers to associate himself with.

22 Mar 2013

How did I know the other member of the gang would show up. FFS...........so boring and predictable.

Quote by YOU
The real heros are those that quietly roll their sleeves up and get their hands dirty doing something practical and real rather than just feeding self serving cretins who drum on about the good they do.

That part is true, as most of the people who work for the RSPCA free of any charge btw, are the very people you describe above. Selfless dedication and plenty of sacrifices and for no payment except their love of animals. Have you any idea at all how many volunteers work for the RSPCA for nothing? Go on have a guess.

22 Mar 2013

Obviously you have a separate agenda here star so I shall make my closing comment.
My life experience has shown that those who shout the loudest often do the least.

22 Mar 2013

Quote by GnV
Obviously you have a separate agenda here star so I shall make my closing comment.
Those who shout the loudest often do the least.

Ah another question not answered GnV? rolleyes

No separate agenda here at all, I just think it awful that the thousands of people who volunteer for this charity can be rubbished by others for the good work they do.
So as someone with always something to say.........your not even going to take a guess at the numbers?

Seems these people also don't mind others knowing who they support and by how much. Also there are a lot of others in normal everyday jobs that don't mind others knowing either. I admit I do not do as much as I maybe should with regards to my support of animal welfare, but I do what I can with regards to donations. If Steve is doing what he has stated he is doing this weekend ( weather permitting ) Then I genuinely admire him for his time and commitment to a good cause, there are many thousands like him who will also be out there this weekend, and a lot of them will have the RSPCA badge on their clothes.
Not shouting about anything, just letting people know that I do actually give money. Never been an issue before when I have said that, or about the money I have donated every moth for years now to Cancer research UK. At least I am doing something as opposed to nothing, which surely is something to be proud of, and not to be slagged off about by others who obviously do jack shit except moan.

26 Mar 2013

Awaits with interest further information on the tragic death of a teenager in Atherton following which 4 dangerous dogs have been 'humanely' destroyed by armed police (whatever that means) and another taken into 'custody'.
Mastifs and Staffys allegedly. Five of them in the same house loon

Locals indicating that complaints had been made in the past, allegedly and nothing done.
A girl dead.
But don't worry, the RSPCA will no doubt investigate the part the Police marksmen played in killing the dogs. Another waste of charitable donations.
They were possibly rather busy gathering evidence about the local hunt.

26 Mar 2013

Quote by GnV
Awaits with interest further information on the tragic death of a teenager in Atherton following which 4 dangerous dogs have been 'humanely' destroyed by armed police (whatever that means) and another taken into 'custody'.
Mastifs and Staffys allegedly. Five of them in the same house.
Locals indicating that complaints had been made in the past, allegedly and nothing done.
A girl dead.
But don't worry, the RSPCA will no doubt investigate the part the Police marksmen played in killing the dogs.
They were possibly too busy gathering evidence about the local hunt.

GnV as has been mentioned before on this very thread, it is not the RSPCA which make the law. The Police seem to ignore laws being broken with regards to hunts and so it was probably the Police who ignored these complaints in the past. You want anyone to blame I would suggest you look at the boys in blue.
Shall we await the inquiry into this matter before jumping to silly conclusions ??

26 Mar 2013

So tell me again star, what do they do and why is it quite ok for them to take the local hunt to court but not ok for them to do anything about dangerous dogs?
Dangerous dogs killing humans is ok but killing foxes which kill humans is not loon

26 Mar 2013

Quote by GnV
So tell me again star, what do they do and why is it quite ok for them to take the local hunt to court but not ok for them to do anything about dangerous dogs?
Dangerous dogs killing humans is ok but killing foxes which kill humans is not

A Staffy or a mastiff is not a dangerous dog! Dangerous owners are the problem and they are a lot harder to find than those dressed in pink!

27 Mar 2013

Quote by flower411
I heard something on the radio earlier about school children, students and off duty firemen helping farmers dig livestock out of the snow .......no mention of any RSPCA volunteers in there .....but I`m sure they`ll catch on to a photo opportunity eventually ...

I wonder if the police will also do the same photo opportunity.

27 Mar 2013

Quote by GnV
So tell me again star, what do they do and why is it quite ok for them to take the local hunt to court but not ok for them to do anything about dangerous dogs?

Seems you have been having your afternoon nap again GnV, must be an age thing. rolleyes

This has been mentioned countless times and yet you are either too stupid to comprehend what has been written, or are ( as I suspect ) just being a bit dim just because it seems to be the in thing to do of late to stoke up a bit of a to do.
You see in life GnV you have laws. Now laws are usually done through Parliament and we all have to abide by them, or have the nice Mr Policeman come and arrest us, and then if we are really naughty with our law breaking have to answer to a Magistrate or heaven forbid a Judge. Now in this country the law very clearly states that the hunting of foxes is illegal. So all those law abiding people out there who stay within the laws, would naturally expect that if the law says it is illegal to hunt foxes, and then evidence is submitted clearly showing the hunting of foxes by a hunt, that the Police would take some action. I mean laws that I have to abide by have openly been broken.
But imagine the horrors that this evidence was not used to not only form part of a conviction at the start but not a single arrest by those nice Mr Policemen. So do we stand by and watch a group of people openly flout the law or do we or even an organisation stand up for what is morally and legally right to do? Well the RSPCA then decided ( against it's better judgement I am sure ) to take out a private prosecution against the hunt, as it was obvious that those lovely Mr policemen were not going to do anything about laws openly being broken, and yet those same Mr Policemen would nick a poor person for doing 32mph in a 30 mph zone, as a law is being broken. Are you still with me GnV? You ain't nodded off again have you?:bounce:
So the RSPCA took this hunt to court, which if the Policemen had been doing the job they are paid to do, they would have been doing the prosecuting in this case. The hunt was found guilty and the ways the laws are in this country, the RSPCA had to pay the costs. Now ludicrous is a word that comes to mind here, as it is now more than obvious that our law makers and the Police are turning a blind eye to certain crimes that like in the case of the hunt killing foxes was ignored. Are you saying GnV that it is ok to break the laws of the land?

Quote by GnV
Dangerous dogs killing humans is ok but killing foxes which kill humans is not

These are not as once again has been mentioned but you must have nodded off again,dangerous dogs as defined under the dangerous dogs act.
You make it sound that dogs kill humans on a daily basis. Dogs are not the problem here GnV...........as usual it is the human that is the problem. What the fuck is a woman doing having five huge dogs in a small house? We shall no doubt be treated to all the details of this woman soon enough, like how she breeds theses dogs, and how she makes money out of this whilst no doubt living a life on benefits. The area this took place in is Greater Manchester and we all know what that means. Not never nice people living in scum bag estates. You only have to look at the house and the surrounding area to know you would not want to walk around there at night.
It seems to me there are certain sections of society that can openly break the law and get away with it. Hunts and illegal travelers often and openly break all sorts of laws that the average person would not get away with for a minute.
This should once again be a law that should apply,that it should be illegal to own more than one dog in a Council/Housing Association property.
Oi GnV.........................You've nodded off again.:rascal:

27 Mar 2013

Quote by star
Now in this country the law very clearly states that the hunting of foxes is illegal.

You must post the link to that bit of legislation star, because AFAIK, what you have written is a load of tosh. There is no such law.

Quote by star
The area this took place in is Greater Manchester and we all know what that means.

I'm afraid I don't know what that means star. I'm sure the good people of Greater Manchester - where incidentally I was born - would very much like to be enlightened by expert opinion such as yours.
Take that :kick:

27 Mar 2013

Quote by star
Now in this country the law very clearly states that the hunting of foxes is illegal.

Quote by GnV
You must post the link to that bit of legislation star, because AFAIK, what you have written is a load of tosh. There is no such law.

Pretty simple really.

Quote by star
The area this took place in is Greater Manchester and we all know what that means.

Quote by GnV
I'm afraid I don't know what that means star. I'm sure the good people of Greater Manchester - where incidentally I was born - would very much like to be enlightened by expert opinion such as yours.
Take that :kick:

Well GnV as a very simple easy to find example of which there are hundreds........

One of the worst cases of police killings just so happened to be in Greater Manchester.
Blimey even the most horrific of crimes were carried out by people who lived there.

I could go on forever but the area is a dive, and always has been. Because you lived there does not alter that fact.
:kick:

27 Mar 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
Now in this country the law very clearly states that the hunting of foxes is illegal.

Quote by GnV
You must post the link to that bit of legislation star, because AFAIK, what you have written is a load of tosh. There is no such law.

Pretty simple really.
No it's not! Your link does not say that the hunting of foxes is illegal. You do read your own links, don't you?

Quote by star
The area this took place in is Greater Manchester and we all know what that means.

Quote by GnV
I'm afraid I don't know what that means star. I'm sure the good people of Greater Manchester - where incidentally I was born - would very much like to be enlightened by expert opinion such as yours.
Take that :kick:

Quote by star
Well GnV as a very simple easy to find example of which there are hundreds........

One of the worst cases of police killings just so happened to be in Greater Manchester.
Blimey even the most horrific of crimes were carried out by people who lived there.

I could go on forever but the area is a dive, and always has been. Because you lived there does not alter that fact.
:kick:

The Krays? The Great Train Robbers? Derek Bentley?... and quite a few more. They were all Londoners IIRC rolleyes

You reall are a bigoted twat.

27 Mar 2013

GnV I never said London did not have gangsters or that parts of London is also a shit hole, we were talking about Greater Manchester. Why deviate all the time from the original conversation?
By all means if you think it adds to the debate, find some stories of dangerous dogs in London. Also I live in Kent now................remember??

27 Mar 2013

Quote by star
Also I live in Kent now................remember??

Oh, you mean here....
The London Borough of Bexley....
rolleyes

Quote by star
Why deviate all the time from the original conversation

And why do you always not reply when someone has you over a barrel and found out that the crap you spout is a load of tosh?

27 Mar 2013

Quote by GnV
Also I live in Kent now................remember??

Oh, you mean here....
The London Borough of Bexley....
rolleyes

Quote by star
Why deviate all the time from the original conversation

And why do you always not reply when someone has you over a barrel and found out that the crap you spout is a load of tosh?
innocent

I kinda imagine you with steam coming out of your ears when replying to me. Hilarious. rotflmao

27 Mar 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
Also I live in Kent now................remember??

Oh, you mean here....
The London Borough of Bexley....
rolleyes

Quote by star
Why deviate all the time from the original conversation

And why do you always not reply when someone has you over a barrel and found out that the crap you spout is a load of tosh?
innocent

I kinda imagine you with steam coming out of your ears when replying to me. Hilarious. rotflmao

I had to visit my doctor today to get a catheter fitted as I piss myself so much at your attempts to justify the unjustifiable :lol2: