We have yet to see the disclosure of Mp's second incomes....which , no doubt , Mp's will claim are necessary to keep them in touch with the "real world"
I think we may well find these revelations to be as damming as the expenses scandal currently running.I fear that second incomes are a gravy train based on an old boys network and are there to bias legislation in favour of the rich and , therefore, powerful few.
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Should MPs have real jobs.
I agree that a lot of MP'S have not had " proper jobs " but.....there are a few who have been Doctors and Lawyers.
It is unwise to label them all with the same tar brush.
Yes a lot have come straight from Eaton and straight into politics, and are totally out of touch with the realities that most people face, on a day to day basis.
It is not all about toffs though. Take Livingston for example.
That guy is an out and out tosser who I cannot remember doing a days work outside of politics. He was the leader of the GLC years ago, and we all know what an easy screw that must have been.
IF the electorate vote for any one person, and they have never had a " proper job ", is that then not up to the electorate to decide IF they are suitable to get their vote? IF that is the case and they do get in, then is that not democracy at it's best?
It is unwise to label them all with the same tar brush.
Yes a lot have come straight from Eaton and straight into politics, and are totally out of touch with the realities that most people face, on a day to day basis.
It is not all about toffs though. Take Livingston for example.
That guy is an out and out tosser who I cannot remember doing a days work outside of politics. He was the leader of the GLC years ago, and we all know what an easy screw that must have been.
IF the electorate vote for any one person, and they have never had a " proper job ", is that then not up to the electorate to decide IF they are suitable to get their vote? IF that is the case and they do get in, then is that not democracy at it's best?
The fundamental problem is that being a politician, once the hobby of the truly wealthy, is now a career choice.
I think our representatives should be adequately rewarded for the job (national average wage springs to mind). I'd also build a nice halls of residence with state of the art leisure facilities for those who cant commute.
When I debate the matter I get all sorts of rhetoric about the need to have MPs of the highest calibre,brilliant minds ad nauseum. I think our representatives need to be driven by altruism not ambition. If you want brilliant minds etc buy them in, thats what we have a civil service for isn't it?
Oh and Ken Livingstone was a research technician at a cancer research facility and trained to be a teacher before and during his political career. They never mention that in the Sun.
I think our representatives should be adequately rewarded for the job (national average wage springs to mind). I'd also build a nice halls of residence with state of the art leisure facilities for those who cant commute.
When I debate the matter I get all sorts of rhetoric about the need to have MPs of the highest calibre,brilliant minds ad nauseum. I think our representatives need to be driven by altruism not ambition. If you want brilliant minds etc buy them in, thats what we have a civil service for isn't it?
Oh and Ken Livingstone was a research technician at a cancer research facility and trained to be a teacher before and during his political career. They never mention that in the Sun.
Quote by benrums0n
The fundamental problem is that being a politician, once the hobby of the truly wealthy, is now a career choice.
I think our representatives should be adequately rewarded for the job (national average wage springs to mind). I'd also build a nice halls of residence with state of the art leisure facilities for those who cant commute.
When I debate the matter I get all sorts of rhetoric about the need to have MPs of the highest calibre,brilliant minds ad nauseum. I think our representatives need to be driven by altruism not ambition. If you want brilliant minds etc buy them in, thats what we have a civil service for isn't it?
Oh and Ken Livingstone was a research technician at a cancer research facility and trained to be a teacher before and during his political career. They never mention that in the Sun.
Maybe they have but I have never seen it.
Thought after your " taking a break " thread, would not see you again for ages. Still nice to see you posting again after a couple of days.
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Quote by benrums0n
The fundamental problem is that being a politician, once the hobby of the truly wealthy, is now a career choice.
I think our representatives should be adequately rewarded for the job (national average wage springs to mind). I'd also build a nice halls of residence with state of the art leisure facilities for those who cant commute.
When I debate the matter I get all sorts of rhetoric about the need to have MPs of the highest calibre,brilliant minds ad nauseum. I think our representatives need to be driven by altruism not ambition. If you want brilliant minds etc buy them in, thats what we have a civil service for isn't it?
Oh and Ken Livingstone was a research technician at a cancer research facility and trained to be a teacher before and during his political career. They never mention that in the Sun.
Sadly it's becoming very clear that far too many of the current bunch of swindlers have already been bought.
Orgasminator
I've always thought, if you want to be in the government, it might be useful to have had previous experience in the job your hoping to do.
Secretary of State for Defence, would have been in the armed forces.
Secretary of State for Health, would have been a docotor / surgeon / nurse.
You get the idea
Secretary of State for Defence, would have been in the armed forces.
Secretary of State for Health, would have been a docotor / surgeon / nurse.
You get the idea
Orgasminator
Quote by flower411
I've always thought, if you want to be in the government, it might be useful to have had previous experience in the job your hoping to do.
Secretary of State for Defence, would have been in the armed forces.
Secretary of State for Health, would have been a docotor / surgeon / nurse.
You get the idea
Maybe they were all con artists and theives before ..
I think you have to be a con artist and a thief to want to become an MP :lol:
MP's salaries were set at a scale to entice young and articulate, non-acristrocratic members into what used to be the "old boys network"
Some of the best Parlimentarians have been career politicians and it is a silly and absurd critique that the motivation for becoming an MP should matter before the ability to do the job.
A very vital role is played by long term career MP's in bringing about tomorrows greatest MP's
Pay them accordingly, do away with expenses and the whip system.
Some of the best Parlimentarians have been career politicians and it is a silly and absurd critique that the motivation for becoming an MP should matter before the ability to do the job.
A very vital role is played by long term career MP's in bringing about tomorrows greatest MP's
Pay them accordingly, do away with expenses and the whip system.
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MP's
..... it is a silly and absurd critique that the motivation for becoming an MP should matter before the ability to do the job.
I dont find any criticism or critique absurd or silly. Besides, a "silly critique" is one of those oxy things.
I think the right kind of motivation is more important than almost anything else in almost any human endeavour.
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Quote by Sexonfire
whats a 'real' job?
One that you have to do, long hours for just enough (if you're lucky) money, that you have to get up for and if you lose it you WILL lose your house and have all your debts called in and be made bankrupt. You know, like the jobs the likes of us have.
So, no, I can't see any MP EVER having a 'real' job.
Quote by foxylady2209
whats a 'real' job?
One that you have to do, long hours for just enough (if you're lucky) money, that you have to get up for and if you lose it you WILL lose your house and have all your debts called in and be made bankrupt. You know, like the jobs the likes of us have.
So, no, I can't see any MP EVER having a 'real' job.
Err i dont agree cos being an MP you are classed with the criminals once an allegation or error of judgement results to a doomed future job prospect .The fact that some MP's twisted the rules to fill there own pockets shouldnt discredit it as a real or proper job...Being an MP is a sacrifice than being a doctor or lawyer and it comes with higher risk too..
