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Should terror suspects be allowed to stay in the UK?
As I understand it, Pakistan want them for trial, therefore why not deport them.
We considered it wrong that the US refused to extradite terrorist to Britain for trial.
Never mind, we can pay them all they need to stay here and support them for as long as they wish.
The group was told they would be banned from the UK, but two, Abid Naseer and Ahmad Faraz Khan, won their appeals against deportation after the Special Immigration Appeals Commission, sitting in secret, heard evidence that they would be at risk of detention and mistreatment if they were returned to Pakistan. A third was told he would be permitted to return to the UK.
We considered it wrong that the US refused to extradite terrorist to Britain for trial.
Never mind, we can pay them all they need to stay here and support them for as long as they wish.
Sex God
A legal decision has been made ...that is a decision based on our law....as in nothing to do with opinion but more a kind of legal thing you know like the law and stuff
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
A legal decision has been made ...that is a decision based on our law....as in nothing to do with opinion but more a kind of legal thing you know like the law and stuff
i do beleive this is based more on european human right laws than our own
which is why cameron wants a british human rights law
It seems that Pakistan want them on alledged terrorist charges, and I do not know if we have an extradition deal with them?
If we do then we have to send them to Pakistan, if we have not got one with Pakistan, do we then refuse to deport them on Human rights rubbish, as seems the case here?
It seems that they were plotting an outrage in the UK, and IF that is the case then I would send them to Pakistan and let them deal with them on the charges they alledge they both have done.
The trouble is though with cases like this, how much money is it going to cost the British taxpayer to keep tabs on these two men?
Also I presume they will now be on benefits if they are not already?
IF we can send a British guy to the USA to face spying charges against the USA, then I am sure those same rules should apply with extraditing these guys to Pakistan....also gets them out of our face.
To keep people here though who even the court stated were a danger to the UK, does seem like madness. Which is why Cameron has to look at Labours Human rights act, and stop some of the loopholes people are using to either escape punishment, or possible extradition.
If we do then we have to send them to Pakistan, if we have not got one with Pakistan, do we then refuse to deport them on Human rights rubbish, as seems the case here?
It seems that they were plotting an outrage in the UK, and IF that is the case then I would send them to Pakistan and let them deal with them on the charges they alledge they both have done.
The trouble is though with cases like this, how much money is it going to cost the British taxpayer to keep tabs on these two men?
Also I presume they will now be on benefits if they are not already?
IF we can send a British guy to the USA to face spying charges against the USA, then I am sure those same rules should apply with extraditing these guys to Pakistan....also gets them out of our face.
To keep people here though who even the court stated were a danger to the UK, does seem like madness. Which is why Cameron has to look at Labours Human rights act, and stop some of the loopholes people are using to either escape punishment, or possible extradition.
Sex God
Quote by Lizaleanrob
A legal decision has been made ...that is a decision based on our law....as in nothing to do with opinion but more a kind of legal thing you know like the law and stuff
i do beleive this is based more on european human right laws than our own
which is why cameron wants a british human rights law
I was under the impression that we'd integrated european law into our own or at the very least had an obligation to abide by those laws (same thing really)...so back to what I was saying....
the legal decision was made because of the law not an opinion but that legal requirement that is the law and would have made it illegal to reach another decision that would have been unlawful.....have I made my point yet ??
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
A legal decision has been made ...that is a decision based on our law....as in nothing to do with opinion but more a kind of legal thing you know like the law and stuff
i do beleive this is based more on european human right laws than our own
which is why cameron wants a british human rights law
I was under the impression that we'd integrated european law into our own or at the very least had an obligation to abide by those laws (same thing really)...so back to what I was saying....
the legal decision was made because of the law not an opinion but that legal requirement that is the law and would have made it illegal to reach another decision that would have been unlawful.....have I made my point yet ??
wasn`t argueing your point staggger was pointing out that it was planned it could be soon changed
Warming the Bed
I say deport them back to Pakistan where they are unfortunately these two would probably be tortured there so we cannot send them back..
But if you come here to escape so called persecution and then plot to blow us up ,then I for one have no problem with them being tortured as if you cannot live by our rules and hate us so much then why should I protect you and then have to protect myself from you.
Yes I know its not right but just maybe if we did it once then it might stop the next one..
But if you come here to escape so called persecution and then plot to blow us up ,then I for one have no problem with them being tortured as if you cannot live by our rules and hate us so much then why should I protect you and then have to protect myself from you.
Yes I know its not right but just maybe if we did it once then it might stop the next one..
Quote by croydoncouple38suspected is the most important word here. very unfortunate that people think that "suspected links with al quaeder" means you have and are a terrorist.
I say deport them back to Pakistan where they are unfortunately these two would probably be tortured there so we cannot send them back..
But if you come here to escape so called persecution and then plot to blow us up ,then I for one have no problem with them being tortured as if you cannot live by our rules and hate us so much then why should I protect you and then have to protect myself from you.
Yes I know its not right but just maybe if we did it once then it might stop the next one..
i say, highly unlikely as the cia and mi6 usually vet their recruits more selectively.
Sex God
It does need to be remembered that non of the men arrested faced any charges relating to terrorist activity and where re-arrested on release on immigration issues
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
It does need to be remembered that non of the men arrested faced any charges relating to terrorist activity and where re-arrested on release on immigration issues
well the law is the law and we must all abide or risk falling fowl :thumbup:
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
It does need to be remembered that non of the men arrested faced any charges relating to terrorist activity and where re-arrested on release on immigration issues
What, arrested on poor intelligence?
All this for nowt?
Sex God
Quote by Lizaleanrob
It does need to be remembered that non of the men arrested faced any charges relating to terrorist activity and where re-arrested on release on immigration issues
well the law is the law and we must all abide or risk falling fowl :thumbup:
"They were immediately detained again under immigration laws after the then home secretary sought their deportation, saying they were still a threat to national security." 2 out of 11 were actually deported 1 who had already returned to Pakistan is still in the process of appeal....looks like the only crime anyone could pin on them was that they are Pakistani...but wouldn't that be discrimination of some kind
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
It does need to be remembered that non of the men arrested faced any charges relating to terrorist activity and where re-arrested on release on immigration issues
well the law is the law and we must all abide or risk falling fowl :thumbup:
"They were immediately detained again under immigration laws after the then home secretary sought their deportation, saying they were still a threat to national security." 2 out of 11 were actually deported 1 who had already returned to Pakistan is still in the process of appeal....looks like the only crime anyone could pin on them was that they are Pakistani...but wouldn't that be discrimination of some kind
tolerance :giggle::giggle:
Sex God
Quote by Bluefish2009
It does need to be remembered that non of the men arrested faced any charges relating to terrorist activity and where re-arrested on release on immigration issues
What, arrested on poor intelligence?
All this for nowt?
looks that way
Quote by Staggerlee_BB...and I would defend the law, even if I think it is as nuts as anything...but I still think we are to liberal.
A legal decision has been made ...that is a decision based on our law....as in nothing to do with opinion but more a kind of legal thing you know like the law and stuff
