Once again we find ourselves in a situation of disgusting behavour on our streets by yet again Muslims hell bent on trouble. Invariably young Muslims born and bred over here, or accepted openly into our society.
There should be made a law where these ( I will refrain from saying what I really think )persons should be banged up or kicked out.
One day this situation will blow big time and there will be deaths, no wonder people are so pissed off. This was Barking ffs not Bradford or Oldham.
They outlawed that hate preacher and his mob from marching through Wooten Basset,and now the time has come to arrest and charge these people with inciting hatred, just like what would happen if the roles were surely reversed.
But as usual the police stand by scared of making the WRONG arrest and then being open to investigation themselves no doubt.
The BNP should be outlawed from marching and on that basis so should these kinds of people....they both practice hatred.
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Should this be allowed anymore?
Sex God
I do believe there is no barbed wire round the port of dover or any other port keeping these guys here against there will if they don't wish to support the country or its belief's 
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But what about the poor Israelis?
we'll manage, but thanks for your concern.
on the original point of the thread, thats the problem with free speach and democracy. its open to abuse.
Is this coming from the Brucie we all know from here?
I am sure I did another thread too but it seems to have gone.
Quote by Lizaleanrob
I do believe there is no barbed wire round the port of dover or any other port keeping these guys here against there will if they don't wish to support the country or its belief's
Probably all picking up their benefit cheques, from the very people they hate.
There is being tolerant but I believe they should be rounded up and shipped out to a nice isolated island.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Probably all picking up their benefit cheques, from the very people they hate.
There is being tolerant but I believe they should be rounded up and shipped out to a nice isolated island.
I hear the Island of Madagascar is lovely this time of year?
If it had been anyone else who'd said that Kenty, I'd naturally assume they were being ironic. Thing is, I'm not actually sure you know what you just said?
BTW Kenty, what exactly did you mean by 'This was Barking ffs not Bradford or Oldham.'? :?
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Sex God
This is a difficult one for me to answer, I do not support the war, however I do fully support the troops.
I agree with Emily Penson-Clark's view of the protesters, she is bang on the money. However, I do not wish to see public protest's stopped just because I do not agree with them. There may well be some thing I, or my children/granchildren need to protest one day. The old Labour Government eroded to many civil liberty's in their time without us loosing any more now.
As much as it gripes me,provided they stay within the law, they must be permitted to protest
One thing stood out from the artical though, firstly the protesters said; "Members of the Muslim Against the Crusade group clashed with far right protesters as they shouted 'murderers, murderers, murderers' and 'British troops go to hell' as members of the 1st Battalion the Royal Anglian Regiment paraded down the streets of Barking, Essex."
Then a little later said; "One member of the Mac group used a megaphone to shout: 'This is a protest against parading in a Muslim area. We love death the way you love life."
By this logic the troops are not murderers, but people giving the deliverance they are seeking?
I agree with Emily Penson-Clark's view of the protesters, she is bang on the money. However, I do not wish to see public protest's stopped just because I do not agree with them. There may well be some thing I, or my children/granchildren need to protest one day. The old Labour Government eroded to many civil liberty's in their time without us loosing any more now.
As much as it gripes me,provided they stay within the law, they must be permitted to protest
One thing stood out from the artical though, firstly the protesters said; "Members of the Muslim Against the Crusade group clashed with far right protesters as they shouted 'murderers, murderers, murderers' and 'British troops go to hell' as members of the 1st Battalion the Royal Anglian Regiment paraded down the streets of Barking, Essex."
Then a little later said; "One member of the Mac group used a megaphone to shout: 'This is a protest against parading in a Muslim area. We love death the way you love life."
By this logic the troops are not murderers, but people giving the deliverance they are seeking?
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Probably all picking up their benefit cheques, from the very people they hate.
There is being tolerant but I believe they should be rounded up and shipped out to a nice isolated island.
I hear the Island of Madagascar is lovely this time of year?
If it had been anyone else who'd said that Kenty, I'd naturally assume they were being ironic. Thing is, I'm not actually sure you know what you just said?
BTW Kenty, what exactly did you mean by 'This was Barking ffs not Bradford or Oldham.'? :?
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Because those two places are hugely Muslim occupied.
Barking I thought was predominantly white, though I could be wrong but it always used to be.
Anyway that is a side issue really, the point is those radical Muslims do nothing at all for harmony in our society. Most Muslims I believe do not agree with these people, and I agree completely with Brownings take on it too.
Yeah the very democracy and freedoms these tossers want to destroy.
I bet the old un's out there who are still alive must wonder why they bothered to fight for OUR freedoms in the two world wars.
For our troops to be heckled and abused by fanatics that in my opinion should not even be here.
I believe in free speech Davey but I do not get it on here do I ? No I have to follow the rules of the site namely the AUP....it should be no different out there in the big bad world.
It is what people find offensive or acceptable, or are you saying that as we have freedom of speech then anyone can say what they like on here?
Admin or the site owners decide what is acceptable on here, and the Government of the day decide what is acceptable out here. These people are no doubt from the same group that was recently banned, so the law allows them to start up again but with a different name. Lets hope they plug this ridiculous loophole.
We do not have the freedom to do as we please, and in a democracy when people find something offensive to our troops, then hopefully this new Government can bring in legislation to wipe it out.
No wonder there is so much public distaste for people like this, is it any wonder. They are no different at all to the BNP.
I bet the old un's out there who are still alive must wonder why they bothered to fight for OUR freedoms in the two world wars.
For our troops to be heckled and abused by fanatics that in my opinion should not even be here.
I believe in free speech Davey but I do not get it on here do I ? No I have to follow the rules of the site namely the AUP....it should be no different out there in the big bad world.
It is what people find offensive or acceptable, or are you saying that as we have freedom of speech then anyone can say what they like on here?
Admin or the site owners decide what is acceptable on here, and the Government of the day decide what is acceptable out here. These people are no doubt from the same group that was recently banned, so the law allows them to start up again but with a different name. Lets hope they plug this ridiculous loophole.
We do not have the freedom to do as we please, and in a democracy when people find something offensive to our troops, then hopefully this new Government can bring in legislation to wipe it out.
No wonder there is so much public distaste for people like this, is it any wonder. They are no different at all to the BNP.
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Let the 'muslims' protest, it just show's the country what 2 faced wankers they are.
I am against the war, but would never protest at a homecomming parade.
I'm against the war too, but I disagree that the extreme Muslims should be allowed to protest - in my view it's tantamount to treason and whatever happened to the law against that?
Plim
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I bet the old un's out there who are still alive must wonder why they bothered to fight for OUR freedoms in the two world wars.
Who is our? British? Who do you refer to when you say "Our".
You love google so much, try googling Indian regiments, Kings African Rifles. These people and their forefathers fought and died for mine and your freedoms. They have a right to demonstrate in their own country.
Dave_Notts
Sex God
i think this shows absolutely no respect
this demo should be held at no 10 or Parliament
id like to have seen nothing more than them soldiers break march and leather the silly little f*"kers to within an inch of their lives (really give them something to complain about )
they are indeed no different to the BNP or EDL and should be treated with the same contempt
this demo should be held at no 10 or Parliament
id like to have seen nothing more than them soldiers break march and leather the silly little f*"kers to within an inch of their lives (really give them something to complain about )
they are indeed no different to the BNP or EDL and should be treated with the same contempt
Sexpert
OK, I'm ambivalent about the war.
I'm ex HM Forces, so obviously empathetic with our troops who get put in situations to do a job by their political masters. They rarely bitch or whine about it other than usual barrack room banter, they signed up and get on with whatever dirty job they're given.
I abhor extreme islamism - I think it's medieval, brutal, controlling etc etc.
(that's just so you know where I'm coming from)
My view is that any homecoming by our troops should be free of anything other than respect and welcome home sentiments. Anything else, any protest or dissent about anything on placards or chants, to be expressly forbidden.
I would have thought that this particular demonstration could have been dealt with under treason laws and incitement to violence/murder - but as I say, if all and any demonstrations were banned at homecoming parades, the problem should not arise.
For me, you could send all the non national so called islamic scholars living off benefits, back to their last point of entry into the UK.
I'm all for the right to demonstrate within the law
I'm ex HM Forces, so obviously empathetic with our troops who get put in situations to do a job by their political masters. They rarely bitch or whine about it other than usual barrack room banter, they signed up and get on with whatever dirty job they're given.
I abhor extreme islamism - I think it's medieval, brutal, controlling etc etc.
(that's just so you know where I'm coming from)
My view is that any homecoming by our troops should be free of anything other than respect and welcome home sentiments. Anything else, any protest or dissent about anything on placards or chants, to be expressly forbidden.
I would have thought that this particular demonstration could have been dealt with under treason laws and incitement to violence/murder - but as I say, if all and any demonstrations were banned at homecoming parades, the problem should not arise.
For me, you could send all the non national so called islamic scholars living off benefits, back to their last point of entry into the UK.
I'm all for the right to demonstrate within the law
Sex God
Unfortunately situations like this fall out of our inherrent right to free speech in our free country.
Millions have died for the democracy we have today, not just recently but throughout the ages. Whether we like it or not these people have the same rights as we do, no matter how much you or I disagree with it.
Smart policing would enable the law to be used against these people in a more effective manner, but it probably isn't considered as cost effective. The police have to be informed of demonstrations and have the ability to approve or disapprove them. If they are disapproved then they are illegal, therefore the demonstrators should be arrested and processed according to the law.
Freedom of speech and human rights are complicated issues. They are the cornerstone of our society, and amongst the values that are being given back to the free people of Afghanistan.
I totally disagree with the protests, which were protesting at the wrong people anyway, but we can't be a society of double standards. Allow them the right to protest, but at an appropriate time and place. If they don't follow the law, arrest them and then throw the book at them for everything and anything. Including deportation if they are here illegally.
Millions have died for the democracy we have today, not just recently but throughout the ages. Whether we like it or not these people have the same rights as we do, no matter how much you or I disagree with it.
Smart policing would enable the law to be used against these people in a more effective manner, but it probably isn't considered as cost effective. The police have to be informed of demonstrations and have the ability to approve or disapprove them. If they are disapproved then they are illegal, therefore the demonstrators should be arrested and processed according to the law.
Freedom of speech and human rights are complicated issues. They are the cornerstone of our society, and amongst the values that are being given back to the free people of Afghanistan.
I totally disagree with the protests, which were protesting at the wrong people anyway, but we can't be a society of double standards. Allow them the right to protest, but at an appropriate time and place. If they don't follow the law, arrest them and then throw the book at them for everything and anything. Including deportation if they are here illegally.
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How is it treason?
Quite simple really...
" Treason is defined as an act of disloyalty against a nation or national sovereign by a citizen of that nation ".
I would say these Muslims have been disloyal towards the nation.
But it probably does not apply to this lot as I bet most of them are not citizens of this nation.
If they are then the definition of what they did yesterday, could be one of treason.
Think that is clear enough.
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How is it treason?
Quite simple really...
" Treason is defined as an act of disloyalty against a nation or national sovereign by a citizen of that nation ".
I would say these Muslims have been disloyal towards the nation.
But it probably does not apply to this lot as I bet most of them are not citizens of this nation.
If they are then the definition of what they did yesterday, could be one of treason.
Think that is clear enough.
Another definition (Oxford Dictionary, who are not always right believe it or not) is "betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill or overthrow the sovereign or government. They also bracket the term "High Treason" as having the same meaning (this may be historic as petty treason related to murder of one's master or for a woman one's husband!
Point raised by Kasnkev is therefore valid, but I will expand further under a separate REPLY shortly otherwise this QUOTE will become one of those that gets out of hand.
Plim
The term Treason is complex and somewhat historic, we have two definitions on the QUOTE above and there may be others - I'm no lawyer anyway!
Clearly the Police didn't regard the Muslim demonstration here as being treason, or they would have arrested them. However, I did say "tantamount to" and I know this could be said to be a play on words, but consider if this had got out of hand and a stone had been thrown at a soldier who was killed by it - soldiers have sworn an oath of loyalty to the sovereign to defend the country and no doubt the situation might have been different from a "normal" murder.
This new government have just said they are going to sort out the silly old season on Health and Safety and proposed Child Protection from adults working with them laws, I hope that they may be brave enough to sort out the clear disloyalty and disrespect for the Realm that a minority of these extreme people display (if they don't, I think it will get completely out of hand before too long :sad: )
Further discussion welcome
Plim
Clearly the Police didn't regard the Muslim demonstration here as being treason, or they would have arrested them. However, I did say "tantamount to" and I know this could be said to be a play on words, but consider if this had got out of hand and a stone had been thrown at a soldier who was killed by it - soldiers have sworn an oath of loyalty to the sovereign to defend the country and no doubt the situation might have been different from a "normal" murder.
This new government have just said they are going to sort out the silly old season on Health and Safety and proposed Child Protection from adults working with them laws, I hope that they may be brave enough to sort out the clear disloyalty and disrespect for the Realm that a minority of these extreme people display (if they don't, I think it will get completely out of hand before too long :sad: )
Further discussion welcome
Plim
Sex God
I suspect that treason would be acting against the crown.....protesting government policy is dissent and not as far as I'm aware illegal.
Warming the Bed
I suspect that treason would be acting against the crown.....protesting government policy is dissent and not as far as I'm aware illegal.
And as much as a good machine gun going off would rid us of these parasites we live in a free country.
But the most worrying thing is that if a bunch of white English people did this to a march by Muslims can you see the police not arresting the lot and charging them with racial insitement or some such .........................?
And as much as a good machine gun going off would rid us of these parasites we live in a free country.
But the most worrying thing is that if a bunch of white English people did this to a march by Muslims can you see the police not arresting the lot and charging them with racial insitement or some such .........................?
Sex God
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I suspect that treason would be acting against the crown.....protesting government policy is dissent and not as far as I'm aware illegal.
And as much as a good machine gun going off would rid us of these parasites we live in a free country.
But the most worrying thing is that if a bunch of white English people did this to a march by Muslims can you see the police not arresting the lot and charging them with racial insitement or some such .........................?
yes I can well envisage that....weren't there quite a few opposing protestors present??
Parasites so I assume you know the work and tax histories of the protestors then?
As you say we live in a free country ...when the authorities start mowing down protestors because of their views is I suspect when that is no longer true.
But far be it from me to spoil a good bit of blind unreasoned bollocks
Warming the Bed
Thought the throwing of frozen pork sausages was funny tho.
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I suspect that treason would be acting against the crown.....protesting government policy is dissent and not as far as I'm aware illegal.
And as much as a good machine gun going off would rid us of these parasites we live in a free country.
But the most worrying thing is that if a bunch of white English people did this to a march by Muslims can you see the police not arresting the lot and charging them with racial insitement or some such .........................?
yes I can well envisage that....weren't there quite a few opposing protestors present??
Parasites so I assume you know the work and tax histories of the protestors then?
As you say we live in a free country ...when the authorities start mowing down protestors because of their views is I suspect when that is no longer true.
But far be it from me to spoil a good bit of blind unreasoned bollocks
Sex God
Quote by flower411
I suspect that treason would be acting against the crown.....protesting government policy is dissent and not as far as I'm aware illegal.
Isn`t acting against the crown "High Treason" ?
Against the state is treason.
I don't know I just guessed.....it would seem to me that if acting against the state (and I assume the government embody it ) is treason, then standing against them in an election is also may of course be bollocks
Sex God
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Funny how so many people say this is not the feeling of Muslims in general, but I never here them speak out openly against these fundamentalists.
Strange one that.
Not all that funny strange really? Maybe you just need to get out more?
:PQuote by croydoncouple38
But the most worrying thing is that if a bunch of white English people did this to a march by Muslims can you see the police not arresting the lot and charging them with racial insitement or some such .........................?
The EDL were out in force on this one, chanting about suicide bombers and scum and the like. You can check how many arrests were made on either side quite easily. I'm not sure your statement there stands up to close scrutiny? :dunno:
General comment . . .
The whole point of demonstrations like this is that they cause public outrage, and lo and behold, along comes Jo Public being oh-so-dutifully outraged.
Who's setting who's agenda here exactly? Why are some people so easily goaded by a handful of idiots desperately trying for photo opportunity? :dunno: :?Apparently, these evil protesters are intent on destroying all we stand for? Things like freedom of association, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, yadda, yadda, ya? They stand accused of recruiting the naive to their cause, but sometimes seems like all they have to do is wave about some badly printed placards, and swear at soldiers, and Jo Public will quite happily start to ponder the dismantling of the very freedoms these protesters are meant to be trying to destroy, all by themselves. :doh: :?
1-0 to the protestors, with the bare minimum of effort, spectacular own goal by Jo Public. :roll:
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Not all that funny strange really? Maybe you just need to get out more?
You want to show me evidence of the Muslim community speaking out against this scum? There may be the occasional Muslim community leader, but I am talking about anyone from the general Muslim fraternity.
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The EDL were out in force on this one, chanting about suicide bombers and scum and the like. You can check how many arrests were made on either side quite easily. I'm not sure your statement there stands up to close scrutiny?
Did the EDL have prior knowledge that these Muslims were going to be there? The arrests are easy fodder for the police. I remember seeing various marches where Muslim trouble makers had placards saying horrid things....never saw one arrest only the cops standing idly by. Too scared to make an arrest for fear of being labeled anything they can throw at them.
Dare not upset the Muslim community eh?
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General comment . . .
The whole point of demonstrations like this is that they cause public outrage, and lo and behold, along comes Jo Public being oh-so-dutifully outraged.
" oh so dutifully outraged "? You bet people are. The troops were there after serving months away from home, plus also remember they lost five comrades whilst on that tour.
If you cannot see why people were outraged and " goaded " you really should see the news a bit more! They may well be idiots but.....dangerous idiots.
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Apparently, these evil protesters are intent on destroying all we stand for? Things like freedom of association, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, yadda, yadda, ya? They stand accused of recruiting the naive to their cause, but sometimes seems like all they have to do is wave about some badly printed placards, and swear at soldiers, and Jo Public will quite happily start to ponder the dismantling of the very freedoms these protesters are meant to be trying to destroy, all by themselves.
Yadda yadda indeed.
They are inciting hatred period.......as people have already said, if it was a white group protesting outside a Mosque on a Friday afternoon, the police would not just stand by. They would arrest and charge those people with racial hatred.
You really cannot see the difference.....can you?
It seems in your world " joe public " should just walk on by....thankfully people like Churchill had more balls than today's politicians.
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thankfully people like Churchill had more balls than today's politicians.
Yep he did, his balls were that big he let the RAF gas Islamic civilians in the Middle East......I am so glad I live in a different era and we don't do that anymore.
I remember there were protests in the 80's and 90's about murdering British soldiers.........and lo and behold the government said sorry today for the soldiers being murderers. Not every soldier or military action is right. What were these people demonstrating about? I would like to hear their message to decide myself whether they are right or wrong........not have people decide for me by saying these are traitors. Were the Derry public traitors then? They have now been vindicated, but it took years of fighting for the truth.
Dave_Notts
