(Sir) Fred Goodwin - Right or wrong ?

5 Feb 2012

Quote by Dave__Notts
The Normans were quick to become French, particularly since they were a minority in their new dutchy and a disproportionate number of the new people were young male Vikings who took local women for wives. After a few generations, the Norwegian language and customs were fading fast and the Normans were French.

This is the poblem with history, different sources give different accounts.
The ones I have read state that the Norsemen watered down the Frankish peoples until they became Norman with their own identity. Even though they had a treaty with the French king it was not as subjects but as vassals to give protection to France. Eventually it became France but not for a long time. Somewhere around the middle of the 14th-15th century when France took their lands back from the English King. The Normans by this time were English.
Of coarse you right Dave, If I study a subject, I read many accounts, and then decide which makes best sense to me :thumbup:

5 Feb 2012

Quote by Bluefish2009
The Normans were quick to become French, particularly since they were a minority in their new dutchy and a disproportionate number of the new people were young male Vikings who took local women for wives. After a few generations, the Norwegian language and customs were fading fast and the Normans were French.

This is the poblem with history, different sources give different accounts.
The ones I have read state that the Norsemen watered down the Frankish peoples until they became Norman with their own identity. Even though they had a treaty with the French king it was not as subjects but as vassals to give protection to France. Eventually it became France but not for a long time. Somewhere around the middle of the 14th-15th century when France took their lands back from the English King. The Normans by this time were English.
Of coarse you right Dave, If I study a subject, I read many accounts, and then decide which makes best sense to me :thumbup:
Best way Blue, especially as 'the Victors usually get to right the history', so they usually try and justify themselves and therefore it's never the whole truth

5 Feb 2012

are you actualy old enough to remember MT or just go on what peeple tell you dunno

i lived and worked through the MT years. (check my profile for my age) I do not want to dwell on the past, but i saw the way the country was ripped apart socially. This was when the culture of greed and them and us came into to being. The majority of this country lacks a social conscience, which ironically is exactly what DC is espousing now.
And yes, she is a frail old lady. Just because she is does not make any difference what my opinions are of her.

5 Feb 2012

Quote by HnS
The Normans were quick to become French, particularly since they were a minority in their new dutchy and a disproportionate number of the new people were young male Vikings who took local women for wives. After a few generations, the Norwegian language and customs were fading fast and the Normans were French.

This is the poblem with history, different sources give different accounts.
The ones I have read state that the Norsemen watered down the Frankish peoples until they became Norman with their own identity. Even though they had a treaty with the French king it was not as subjects but as vassals to give protection to France. Eventually it became France but not for a long time. Somewhere around the middle of the 14th-15th century when France took their lands back from the English King. The Normans by this time were English.
Of coarse you right Dave, If I study a subject, I read many accounts, and then decide which makes best sense to me :thumbup:
Best way Blue, especially as 'the Victors usually get to right the history', so they usually try and justify themselves and therefore it's never the whole truth
:thumbup:
History will be kind to me for I intend to write it.
Sir Winston Churchill
British politician (1874 - 1965)

5 Feb 2012

Quote by Onthebeach_1
are you actualy old enough to remember MT or just go on what peeple tell you
i lived and worked through the MT years. (check my profile for my age) I do not want to dwell on the past, but i saw the way the country was ripped apart socially. This was when the culture of greed and them and us came into to being. The majority of this country lacks a social conscience, which ironically is exactly what DC is espousing now.
And yes, she is a frail old lady. Just because she is does not make any difference what my opinions are of her.

The MT years were quite the opposite for me lol

Let us hope for the future generation's and the country that DC can recreate some of that magic :thumbup:

5 Feb 2012

Quote by Onthebeach_1
are you actualy old enough to remember MT or just go on what peeple tell you
i lived and worked through the MT years. (check my profile for my age) I do not want to dwell on the past, but i saw the way the country was ripped apart socially. This was when the culture of greed and them and us came into to being. The majority of this country lacks a social conscience, which ironically is exactly what DC is espousing now.
And yes, she is a frail old lady. Just because she is does not make any difference what my opinions are of her.

this would be the same culture of greed that was allowed, nay encouraged to flourish under Messrs Blair and Brown. So exactly whose fault is it that the majority of this country lacks a social concscience( if indeed it does) ?

5 Feb 2012

Quote by Max777
are you actualy old enough to remember MT or just go on what peeple tell you
i lived and worked through the MT years. (check my profile for my age) I do not want to dwell on the past, but i saw the way the country was ripped apart socially. This was when the culture of greed and them and us came into to being. The majority of this country lacks a social conscience, which ironically is exactly what DC is espousing now.
And yes, she is a frail old lady. Just because she is does not make any difference what my opinions are of her.

this would be the same culture of greed that was allowed, nay encouraged to flourish under Messrs Blair and Brown. So exactly whose fault is it that the majority of this country lacks a social concscience( if indeed it does) ?
I feel, as you have hinted here Max, it is more of a small minority, rather than the majority who lack a social conscience

5 Feb 2012

Quote by Bluefish2009
are you actualy old enough to remember MT or just go on what peeple tell you
i lived and worked through the MT years. (check my profile for my age) I do not want to dwell on the past, but i saw the way the country was ripped apart socially. This was when the culture of greed and them and us came into to being. The majority of this country lacks a social conscience, which ironically is exactly what DC is espousing now.
And yes, she is a frail old lady. Just because she is does not make any difference what my opinions are of her.

this would be the same culture of greed that was allowed, nay encouraged to flourish under Messrs Blair and Brown. So exactly whose fault is it that the majority of this country lacks a social concscience( if indeed it does) ?
I feel, as you have hinted here Max, it is more of a small minority, rather than the majority who lack a social conscience
i quite agree! who are they do you reckon??

5 Feb 2012

Quote by Onthebeach_1
And yes, she is a frail old lady. Just because she is does not make any difference what my opinions are of her.

opinions are one thing, your comment was something else.

Quote by Onthebeach_1
i still have the Champagne on Ice for when she pops her clogs!

also as a man of your age it bloody well should make a differance to making a offensive comment as you did. sure i do not understand you to like her but realy, has age not taught you anything about the elderly dunno

5 Feb 2012

Quote by Onthebeach_1
are you actualy old enough to remember MT or just go on what peeple tell you
i lived and worked through the MT years. (check my profile for my age) I do not want to dwell on the past, but i saw the way the country was ripped apart socially. This was when the culture of greed and them and us came into to being. The majority of this country lacks a social conscience, which ironically is exactly what DC is espousing now.
And yes, she is a frail old lady. Just because she is does not make any difference what my opinions are of her.

this would be the same culture of greed that was allowed, nay encouraged to flourish under Messrs Blair and Brown. So exactly whose fault is it that the majority of this country lacks a social concscience( if indeed it does) ?
I feel, as you have hinted here Max, it is more of a small minority, rather than the majority who lack a social conscience
i quite agree! who are they do you reckon??
you seem a tad confused. Which is it then, a minority or a majority?

5 Feb 2012

I am sorry I have offended you, I feel very strongly about what I believe in, you are, from my recollection happy to support the offensive comments of Mr Clarkson and was it not you that said the police have the right to beat up innocent people in the back of their vans?. Apologies if i am wrong. I am merely expressing my views. You obviously thought she was a paragon of virtue, one who supported the dictator Pinochet, who killed thousands of his own people, and the khmere rouge. I accept she was a very strong person but then so were many other people in history that does not mean they were good people.
Did MT respect all those families some of whom were "older" when she dumped them on the scrap heap. Anyway like Mr Clarkson, I was being humorous. where is your sense of humour?

Quote by starlightcouple

And yes, she is a frail old lady. Just because she is does not make any difference what my opinions are of her.

opinions are one thing, your comment was something else.

Quote by Onthebeach_1
i still have the Champagne on Ice for when she pops her clogs!

also as a man of your age it bloody well should make a differance to making a offensive comment as you did. sure i do not understand you to like her but realy, has age not taught you anything about the elderly dunno

5 Feb 2012

Quote by Onthebeach_1
Anyway like Mr Clarkson, I was being humorous. where is your sense of humour?

The difference being, that Clarkson actually is humerous!

5 Feb 2012

Quote by Max777
Anyway like Mr Clarkson, I was being humorous. where is your sense of humour?

The difference being, that Clarkson actually is humerous!
Is he dunno

5 Feb 2012

Quote by Mr-Powers
Anyway like Mr Clarkson, I was being humorous. where is your sense of humour?

The difference being, that Clarkson actually is humerous!
Is he dunno

well he has made a few bob out of it so must be something in it.
there is a difference surely in something that clarkson has said to sell his book, and something someone says about waiting for a very frail old lady of 80 something to die?
one is humour and the other is just plain horrid. surely?

5 Feb 2012

Well whether Mr C is humorous is the subject of a mass debate!! He makes me smirk occasionally, he makes me cringe mostly, as to whether that is humour, wit,saracsm or being satirical i am not sure. i did use the term loosley.

Quote by Max777
Anyway like Mr Clarkson, I was being humorous. where is your sense of humour?

The difference being, that Clarkson actually is humerous!

5 Feb 2012

Quote by Mr-Powers
Anyway like Mr Clarkson, I was being humorous. where is your sense of humour?

The difference being, that Clarkson actually is humerous!
Is he dunno

Yes
“… the last time someone was as wrong as you, was when a politician stepped off an aeroplane in 1939 waving a piece of paper in the air saying there will be no war with Germany ”

5 Feb 2012

Quote by Onthebeach_1
Well whether Mr C is humorous is the subject of a mass debate!! He makes me smirk occasionally, he makes me cringe mostly, as to whether that is humour, wit,saracsm or being satirical i am not sure. i did use the term loosley.

I'll leave the massdebating to you........
You never did answer my question as to whether you meant a majority or a minority. Maybe you don't know the difference? dunno

5 Feb 2012

Quote by Mr-Powers
Anyway like Mr Clarkson, I was being humorous. where is your sense of humour?

The difference being, that Clarkson actually is humerous!
Is he dunno

Yes!

5 Feb 2012

Quote by Max777
Anyway like Mr Clarkson, I was being humorous. where is your sense of humour?

The difference being, that Clarkson actually is humerous!
Is he dunno

Yes!
In your opinion.

5 Feb 2012

Quote by Mr-Powers
Anyway like Mr Clarkson, I was being humorous. where is your sense of humour?

The difference being, that Clarkson actually is humerous!
Is he dunno

Yes!
In your opinion.
Who else's opinion would I give? :dunno:
BTW, there are currently a lot of people in a BBC studio laughing as I type. They obviously think so too!

5 Feb 2012

Quote by Max777
Anyway like Mr Clarkson, I was being humorous. where is your sense of humour?

The difference being, that Clarkson actually is humerous!
Is he dunno

Yes!
In your opinion.
Who else's opinion would I give? :dunno:
BTW, there are currently a lot of people in a BBC studio laughing as I type. They obviously think so too!
I think the other two are funnier.

5 Feb 2012

Quote by Mr-Powers
Anyway like Mr Clarkson, I was being humorous. where is your sense of humour?

The difference being, that Clarkson actually is humerous!
Is he dunno

Yes!
In your opinion.
Who else's opinion would I give? :dunno:
BTW, there are currently a lot of people in a BBC studio laughing as I type. They obviously think so too!
I think the other two are funnier.
I think the other two are funny too

5 Feb 2012

Quote by Max777
Well whether Mr C is humorous is the subject of a mass debate!! He makes me smirk occasionally, he makes me cringe mostly, as to whether that is humour, wit,saracsm or being satirical i am not sure. i did use the term loosley.

I'll leave the massdebating to you........
You never did answer my question as to whether you meant a majority or a minority. Maybe you don't know the difference? dunno

I am glad you saw my attempt at humour, I am sorry you lost me on the last part, majority or minority???
May I ask why you have to be so rude, casting aspersions on my understanding or grasp of what is a majority or a minority? Does it make you feel superior?

5 Feb 2012

Quote by Onthebeach_1
Well whether Mr C is humorous is the subject of a mass debate!! He makes me smirk occasionally, he makes me cringe mostly, as to whether that is humour, wit,saracsm or being satirical i am not sure. i did use the term loosley.

I'll leave the massdebating to you........
You never did answer my question as to whether you meant a majority or a minority. Maybe you don't know the difference? dunno

I am glad you saw my attempt at humour, I am sorry you lost me on the last part, majority or minority???
May I ask why you have to be so rude, casting aspersions on my understanding or grasp of what is a majority or a minority? Does it make you feel superior?
Where am I being rude? I asked you to clarify something as you made contradictory statements. You did not reply. Maybe it's you that's being rude?

7 Feb 2012

The thread started with the removal of an honour, then went on to support thatcher hate her with who owns the Falkland Islands (there is no such places as Las Malvinas it does not exist)
So if someone does a bad job then yes strip them of the honours they were given for when they did a good job, an army sergeant who did a crap job would be stripped of his stripes and yes the higher the rank the less likely they are to be stripped of thier rank, they just bury them in retirement (many have heard of former Brigadier Jeremy Moore now Major General but how many can name the other Brigadier present in the Falklands campaign)
The government are saying that if they don't pay such high bonuses and salaries they won't get the best people for the job, got to agree with that but if that person then proves that they are not the best for the job surely the bonuses are void.
As for Thatcher, what a great woman, made mistakes but did a lot for the people of this country.
The Falklands, who cares who got there first, who claims to own it now, why it should belong to whoever, the fact is that every single inhabitant of the Islands wants to be part of Britain, no spannish, french, argentinian or mongolians live there, nor did they live there before the 1982 War, that to me gives us our ownership answer, or do we kick all americans except the red indians out of the USA ?

7 Feb 2012

Fred Goodwin was given a knighthood by the imbecile Brown for "services to banking."
There is no rational reason for anyone who bankrupted a bank and helped greatly to nearly bring down the UK banking system to be able to keep a knighthood for "services to banking".
There are others who were given honours that should also be looked at but if Goodwin is to be the scapegoat then it could not have happened to a more apt person. He still gets to keep his fat pension, massive house and all the money he "made" whilst at RBS, it would be more just if he lost them as I'm sure he cares more about that than some trinket from Her Maj!