Some good news......

13 Apr 2011

Unemployment has fallen by 17,000 people over the last three months to Feb, and people in full time employment jumped by 140,00 o0ver the same period. Early days I know, but maybe the Torys are on the right track, fingers crossed lol

Unemployment in the UK has fallen by 17,000 people over the three months to the end of February.
The Office for National Statistics today revealed that the UK unemployment rate has lowered to 7.8 per cent, which represents the first drop since last autumn.
Furthermore, figures revealed that the number of people in full-time work jumped up by 140,000, which was the highest rise in four years.

13 Apr 2011

Curiously the number of people claiming job seekers allowance went up. Anybody know how that works?

13 Apr 2011

load of bollox from somebodies interpretation of stats from the o.n.s.
fuel now a gallon. food up 20% local authority workers now recieving 90 days notice. high street sales down. 80 million litres of fuel less now being consumed. taxes up. pensions down. imf warns banks more in the shit than ever. bank bonuses up. war up. spending down. consumer tightening belts. growth in earnings down. financiers meet at bretton woods 11. dollar to lose status as reserve currency. oil prices up. gold and silver up. youth unemployment over a million. RESEARCH THESE NEWS HEADLINES
its a mathematical impossibility for unemployment to be down ! its total bullshit. sorry blue. x

13 Apr 2011

Quote by flower411
The sooner people wise up and realise that full employment is an impossible dream, the better !!
We need to work out how to reduce the population and still pay for the increased costs of the ever ageing retired population.
Refusal to confront the real problems and continuing to allow the population to increase in the eronious assumption that the employed will allow themselves to be taxed to pay for the retired while the casino bankers are bailed out every time they fuck up is a recipe for disaster.

Logan's Run and Soylent Green cover this quite effectively. dunno

Not sure it would catch on - the 'ultimate sacrifice' doesn't seem to be all that fashionable at the moment.

14 Apr 2011

Quote by Ben_welshminx
Curiously the number of people claiming job seekers allowance went up. Anybody know how that works?

Yes ben its easy
The amount of people coming off sick benefit decreased ...........wonders why innocent

14 Apr 2011

Quote by foxylady2209
The sooner people wise up and realise that full employment is an impossible dream, the better !!
We need to work out how to reduce the population and still pay for the increased costs of the ever ageing retired population.
Refusal to confront the real problems and continuing to allow the population to increase in the eronious assumption that the employed will allow themselves to be taxed to pay for the retired while the casino bankers are bailed out every time they fuck up is a recipe for disaster.

Logan's Run and Soylent Green cover this quite effectively. dunno

Not sure it would catch on - the 'ultimate sacrifice' doesn't seem to be all that fashionable at the moment.
:laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove:
Not forgetting "The Prisoner"

14 Apr 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob
The sooner people wise up and realise that full employment is an impossible dream, the better !!
We need to work out how to reduce the population and still pay for the increased costs of the ever ageing retired population.
Refusal to confront the real problems and continuing to allow the population to increase in the eronious assumption that the employed will allow themselves to be taxed to pay for the retired while the casino bankers are bailed out every time they fuck up is a recipe for disaster.

Logan's Run and Soylent Green cover this quite effectively. dunno

Not sure it would catch on - the 'ultimate sacrifice' doesn't seem to be all that fashionable at the moment.
:laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove:
Not forgetting "The Prisoner"
Perhaps we should make people over 65 "retire" in a more permanent way or keep working - their choice. Simples rolleyes

14 Apr 2011

I cant imagine that the current plan to reoragnise incapacity benefits has had any impact on he figures quoted.
Anybody got any other idea about why the figures dont tally?

14 Apr 2011

Email your MP and ask him the question dunno

If he really wants to confuse you, he might give the answers in both English and Welsh. wink

14 Apr 2011

I will assume non of the contributors apart from gulson have any idea in the absence of a sensible response.

14 Apr 2011

Quote by Ben_welshminx
Curiously the number of people claiming job seekers allowance went up. Anybody know how that works?

Quote by Lizaleanrob
Yes ben its easy
The amount of people coming off sick benefit decreased ...........wonders why

seams like a very good reeson to me and as yet have not seen a better reeson put forward.:notes:

14 Apr 2011

Aye star but the incapcity reviews hadn't been started other than on a small pilot scale during the period these figures relate to.
Furthermore, unemployment figures do not include those unfit for work due to ill health as I recall.
Have there been any other changes that I haven't noticed?

14 Apr 2011

Quote by Ben_welshminx
Aye star but the incapcity reviews hadn't been started other than on a small pilot scale during the period these figures relate to.
Furthermore, unemployment figures do not include those unfit for work due to ill health as I recall.

Have there been any other changes that I haven't noticed?

Precisely the point I believe. Those "unfit for work" who have been lead swinging may have now come to see the error of their ways in the face of much publicity (politely put, of course). They have decided they cannot risk facing a tribunal where they might be found out and prosecuted for fraud (there's plenty of evidence of this in recent times) so have now arrived on the unemployment register instead - the place where they should have been in the first place.
They now have to declare themselves available for work, are removed from the DLA register and now appear as Job Seekers with all that such status entails - including having to get off their backsides and go look for work if they wish to retain the payments they receive from the State!
I can't frankly think of any other plausible reason.

14 Apr 2011

Could also be that the holiday season has begun, and lots of "summer season" jobs have been taken by those on the available for work list.
It always happens at this time of year.

14 Apr 2011

Quote by robbo-bi1
Could also be that the holiday season has begun, and lots of "summer season" jobs have been taken by those on the available for work list.
It always happens at this time of year.

But if Ben is right, the number seeking JSA has increased :confused:
Or am I missing something?

14 Apr 2011

Quote by GnV
Aye star but the incapcity reviews hadn't been started other than on a small pilot scale during the period these figures relate to.
Furthermore, unemployment figures do not include those unfit for work due to ill health as I recall.

Have there been any other changes that I haven't noticed?

Precisely the point I believe. Those "unfit for work" who have been lead swinging may have now come to see the error of their ways in the face of much publicity (politely put, of course). They have decided they cannot risk facing a tribunal where they might be found out and prosecuted for fraud (there's plenty of evidence of this in recent times) so have now arrived on the unemployment register instead - the place where they should have been in the first place.
They now have to declare themselves available for work, are removed from the DLA register and now appear as Job Seekers with all that such status entails - including having to get off their backsides and go look for work if they wish to retain the payments they receive from the State!
I can't frankly think of any other plausible reason.
twas my point exactly GNV and helps to balance the figures quite nicely don`t ya think wink

14 Apr 2011

I understand the logic path you are following. However it is based on misconceptions and misunderstandings of the facts.

14 Apr 2011

Quote by Ben_welshminx
I understand the logic path you are following. However it is based on misconceptions and misunderstandings of the facts.

so have you a source for these alternative facts and any explanation of the sudden decrease in those claiming sick/disability benefit dunno

14 Apr 2011

A kind soul has been educating me. Apparently unemployment figures traditionally fall in the first quarter due to the availability of seasonal work and that every ten years or so this factor is amplified by temporary census employment opportunities.
Furthermore any initiatives to reduce the number of folk excused work due to illness or parenting will of course lead to an increase in the unemployment figures in the short term.
Of course we shouldn't let such facts get in the way of prejudice or scare mongering.

14 Apr 2011

Quote by gulsonroad30664
load of bollox from somebodies interpretation of stats from the o.n.s.
fuel now a gallon. food up 20% local authority workers now recieving 90 days notice. high street sales down. 80 million litres of fuel less now being consumed. taxes up. pensions down. imf warns banks more in the shit than ever. bank bonuses up. war up. spending down. consumer tightening belts. growth in earnings down. financiers meet at bretton woods 11. dollar to lose status as reserve currency. oil prices up. gold and silver up. youth unemployment over a million. RESEARCH THESE NEWS HEADLINES
its a mathematical impossibility for unemployment to be down ! its total bullshit. sorry blue. x

So which theorem would prove this then Gulson?

14 Apr 2011

Quote by Max777
load of bollox from somebodies interpretation of stats from the o.n.s.
fuel now a gallon. food up 20% local authority workers now recieving 90 days notice. high street sales down. 80 million litres of fuel less now being consumed. taxes up. pensions down. imf warns banks more in the shit than ever. bank bonuses up. war up. spending down. consumer tightening belts. growth in earnings down. financiers meet at bretton woods 11. dollar to lose status as reserve currency. oil prices up. gold and silver up. youth unemployment over a million. RESEARCH THESE NEWS HEADLINES
its a mathematical impossibility for unemployment to be down ! its total bullshit. sorry blue. x

So which theorem would prove this then Gulson?
THE THEORY OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
if you introduce austerity as a policy, which means hardship, a reduction in available credit (money), demand must fall and asset prices must fall. ask the greeks, irish, portugese, icelanders, spaniards et all. even the americans (largest consumer market in the world) are introducing austerity measures, cuts in education, pensions, medicare etc and there are already 40 million americans on food stamps.
2+2 = 4 or join up the dots.....a....b....c
get off the hostility trip and remember the manics....if you tolerate this then your children will be next

14 Apr 2011

Quote by gulsonroad30664
load of bollox from somebodies interpretation of stats from the o.n.s.
fuel now a gallon. food up 20% local authority workers now recieving 90 days notice. high street sales down. 80 million litres of fuel less now being consumed. taxes up. pensions down. imf warns banks more in the shit than ever. bank bonuses up. war up. spending down. consumer tightening belts. growth in earnings down. financiers meet at bretton woods 11. dollar to lose status as reserve currency. oil prices up. gold and silver up. youth unemployment over a million. RESEARCH THESE NEWS HEADLINES
its a mathematical impossibility for unemployment to be down ! its total bullshit. sorry blue. x

So which theorem would prove this then Gulson?
THE THEORY OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
if you introduce austerity as a policy, which means hardship, a reduction in available credit (money), demand must fall and asset prices must fall. ask the greeks, irish, portugese, icelanders, spaniards et all. even the americans (largest consumer market in the world) are introducing austerity measures, cuts in education, pensions, medicare etc and there are already 40 million americans on food stamps.
2+2 = 4 or join up the dots.....a....b....c
get off the hostility trip and remember the manics....if you tolerate this then your children will be next
I see, no proof of your claim whatsover then, just like I'm still waiting for the proof regarding your claims about the Bank of England.
What was it you said? Ah yes.....load of bollox from someone's interpretation.....

14 Apr 2011

Quote by Ben_welshminx
A kind soul has been educating me. Apparently unemployment figures traditionally fall in the first quarter due to the availability of seasonal work and that every ten years or so this factor is amplified by temporary census employment opportunities.
Furthermore any initiatives to reduce the number of folk excused work due to illness or parenting will of course lead to an increase in the unemployment figures in the short term.
Of course we shouldn't let such facts get in the way of prejudice or scare mongering.

Surely the fall in unemployment is not scaremongering, but a good thing dunno

The report said; Furthermore, figures revealed that the number of people in full-time work jumped up by 140,000, which was the highest rise in four years.
It may be traditional for this to happen in the first quarter, but its the highest rise in 4 years, surely some thing to be happy about banghead

14 Apr 2011

Quote by Max777
load of bollox from somebodies interpretation of stats from the o.n.s.
fuel now a gallon. food up 20% local authority workers now recieving 90 days notice. high street sales down. 80 million litres of fuel less now being consumed. taxes up. pensions down. imf warns banks more in the shit than ever. bank bonuses up. war up. spending down. consumer tightening belts. growth in earnings down. financiers meet at bretton woods 11. dollar to lose status as reserve currency. oil prices up. gold and silver up. youth unemployment over a million. RESEARCH THESE NEWS HEADLINES
its a mathematical impossibility for unemployment to be down ! its total bullshit. sorry blue. x

So which theorem would prove this then Gulson?
THE THEORY OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
if you introduce austerity as a policy, which means hardship, a reduction in available credit (money), demand must fall and asset prices must fall. ask the greeks, irish, portugese, icelanders, spaniards et all. even the americans (largest consumer market in the world) are introducing austerity measures, cuts in education, pensions, medicare etc and there are already 40 million americans on food stamps.
2+2 = 4 or join up the dots.....a....b....c
get off the hostility trip and remember the manics....if you tolerate this then your children will be next
I see, no proof of your claim whatsover then, just like I'm still waiting for the proof regarding your claims about the Bank of England.
What was it you said? Ah yes.....load of bollox from someone's interpretation.....
read the times or telegraph financial pages and get all the proof you need or better still just carry on reading the sun and watch east enders. go back to sleep and dont bother engaging me. i have'nt a clue what i'm talking about and just make it up as i go along. we will see. consistent me.

14 Apr 2011

I was referring to the responses blue not your original post.
Did you read the bit about the census work boosting figures ever TEN years?

Quote by Bluefish2009
Surely the fall in unemployment is not scaremongering, but a good thing
The report said; Furthermore, figures revealed that the number of people in full-time work jumped up by 140,000, which was the highest rise in four years.
It may be traditional for this to happen in the first quarter, but its the highest rise in 4 years, surely some thing to be happy about

14 Apr 2011

Quote by gulsonroad30664
load of bollox from somebodies interpretation of stats from the o.n.s.
fuel now a gallon. food up 20% local authority workers now recieving 90 days notice. high street sales down. 80 million litres of fuel less now being consumed. taxes up. pensions down. imf warns banks more in the shit than ever. bank bonuses up. war up. spending down. consumer tightening belts. growth in earnings down. financiers meet at bretton woods 11. dollar to lose status as reserve currency. oil prices up. gold and silver up. youth unemployment over a million. RESEARCH THESE NEWS HEADLINES
its a mathematical impossibility for unemployment to be down ! its total bullshit. sorry blue. x

So which theorem would prove this then Gulson?
THE THEORY OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
if you introduce austerity as a policy, which means hardship, a reduction in available credit (money), demand must fall and asset prices must fall. ask the greeks, irish, portugese, icelanders, spaniards et all. even the americans (largest consumer market in the world) are introducing austerity measures, cuts in education, pensions, medicare etc and there are already 40 million americans on food stamps.
2+2 = 4 or join up the dots.....a....b....c
get off the hostility trip and remember the manics....if you tolerate this then your children will be next
I see, no proof of your claim whatsover then, just like I'm still waiting for the proof regarding your claims about the Bank of England.
What was it you said? Ah yes.....load of bollox from someone's interpretation.....
read the times or telegraph financial pages and get all the proof you need or better still just carry on reading the sun and watch east enders. go back to sleep and dont bother engaging me. i have'nt a clue what i'm talking about and just make it up as i go along. we will see. consistent me.
For your information, I don't read the Sun and neither do I watch Eastenders.
As for not bothering to engage you, I will continue to do so as long as you keep coming to this forum and posting the absolute bollox that you do. Consistent? Absolutely, consistent bollox!

14 Apr 2011

Quote by Ben_welshminx
I was referring to the responses blue not your original post.
Did you read the bit about the census work boosting figures ever TEN years?

Surely the fall in unemployment is not scaremongering, but a good thing
The report said; Furthermore, figures revealed that the number of people in full-time work jumped up by 140,000, which was the highest rise in four years.
It may be traditional for this to happen in the first quarter, but its the highest rise in 4 years, surely some thing to be happy about

Yes I did, I shall selibrate the fact that more people are today working that what were last year lol

14 Apr 2011

Blimey blue I do worry about you sometimes.

14 Apr 2011

Quote by Max777
load of bollox from somebodies interpretation of stats from the o.n.s.
fuel now a gallon. food up 20% local authority workers now recieving 90 days notice. high street sales down. 80 million litres of fuel less now being consumed. taxes up. pensions down. imf warns banks more in the shit than ever. bank bonuses up. war up. spending down. consumer tightening belts. growth in earnings down. financiers meet at bretton woods 11. dollar to lose status as reserve currency. oil prices up. gold and silver up. youth unemployment over a million. RESEARCH THESE NEWS HEADLINES
its a mathematical impossibility for unemployment to be down ! its total bullshit. sorry blue. x

So which theorem would prove this then Gulson?
THE THEORY OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
if you introduce austerity as a policy, which means hardship, a reduction in available credit (money), demand must fall and asset prices must fall. ask the greeks, irish, portugese, icelanders, spaniards et all. even the americans (largest consumer market in the world) are introducing austerity measures, cuts in education, pensions, medicare etc and there are already 40 million americans on food stamps.
2+2 = 4 or join up the dots.....a....b....c
get off the hostility trip and remember the manics....if you tolerate this then your children will be next
I see, no proof of your claim whatsover then, just like I'm still waiting for the proof regarding your claims about the Bank of England.
What was it you said? Ah yes.....load of bollox from someone's interpretation.....
read the times or telegraph financial pages and get all the proof you need or better still just carry on reading the sun and watch east enders. go back to sleep and dont bother engaging me. i have'nt a clue what i'm talking about and just make it up as i go along. we will see. consistent me.
For your information, I don't read the Sun and neither do I watch Eastenders.
As for not bothering to engage you, I will continue to do so as long as you keep coming to this forum and posting the absolute bollox that you do. Consistent? Absolutely, consistent bollox!
yea, i talk a load of bollox just like the warnings from mervyn king of the private bank of england, trichet of the private european central bank, the private bank of international settlements, the private international monetary fund and ben bernanke of the private federal reserve. i talk a load of bollox.......now, but if i'm right and your wrong down the road in time.....what will you say then ? it was a good guess ?

14 Apr 2011

Quote by gulsonroad30664
load of bollox from somebodies interpretation of stats from the o.n.s.
fuel now a gallon. food up 20% local authority workers now recieving 90 days notice. high street sales down. 80 million litres of fuel less now being consumed. taxes up. pensions down. imf warns banks more in the shit than ever. bank bonuses up. war up. spending down. consumer tightening belts. growth in earnings down. financiers meet at bretton woods 11. dollar to lose status as reserve currency. oil prices up. gold and silver up. youth unemployment over a million. RESEARCH THESE NEWS HEADLINES
its a mathematical impossibility for unemployment to be down ! its total bullshit. sorry blue. x

So which theorem would prove this then Gulson?
THE THEORY OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
if you introduce austerity as a policy, which means hardship, a reduction in available credit (money), demand must fall and asset prices must fall. ask the greeks, irish, portugese, icelanders, spaniards et all. even the americans (largest consumer market in the world) are introducing austerity measures, cuts in education, pensions, medicare etc and there are already 40 million americans on food stamps.
2+2 = 4 or join up the dots.....a....b....c
get off the hostility trip and remember the manics....if you tolerate this then your children will be next
I see, no proof of your claim whatsover then, just like I'm still waiting for the proof regarding your claims about the Bank of England.
What was it you said? Ah yes.....load of bollox from someone's interpretation.....
read the times or telegraph financial pages and get all the proof you need or better still just carry on reading the sun and watch east enders. go back to sleep and dont bother engaging me. i have'nt a clue what i'm talking about and just make it up as i go along. we will see. consistent me.
For your information, I don't read the Sun and neither do I watch Eastenders.
As for not bothering to engage you, I will continue to do so as long as you keep coming to this forum and posting the absolute bollox that you do. Consistent? Absolutely, consistent bollox!
yea, i talk a load of bollox just like the warnings from mervyn king of the private bank of england, trichet of the private european central bank, the private bank of international settlements, the private international monetary fund and ben bernanke of the private federal reserve. i talk a load of bollox.......now, but if i'm right and your wrong down the road in time.....what will you say then ? it was a good guess ?
Well we shall have to see. What if YOU'RE wrong, what then? You still haven't provided any proof to substantiate your claim about the "private" Bank of England...because you can't, can you?
Some 6 months ago you sent me a P.M. forecasting impending financial doom on the following day when the financial markets opened. Guess what..it didn't happen.
So if it is, as you have now said several times, the "Big One" what are you doing to protect your £120K salary and your £750K house. Come on, give us an insight to that wonderful economic brain of yours and let's have some practical advice for a change.