Syria - why are we supporting the Islamic terrorists?

2 Oct 2014

Quote by Rogue_Trader
Personally I would let her back in and jail her for joining an illegal organisation because she is a British Citizen born in the UK

Agreed, after a trial of coarse
On what charge?
The last time I looked being at war wasn't a criminal act, IF this is indeed a war. Check your geneva convention. Though if we are at war, then this is a dubious charge of treason at most, though committed by a minor. So in all essence probably a stiff talking to is the maximum she would get.
So has she committed a terrorism offence by joining IS? not really, has she committed murder? well if she has then its up to the courts in that country to try and convict her and punish her by the laws of that land.
Yes, your quite right, maybe I should have prefixed my statement with, after a police investigation.
I can not confirm any crime has been committed, no more, of coarse, than you can be sure one has not. That would be a matter for the police. I dont think it beyond the relms of possibility that extremist material could have been downloaded, which of coarse is a crime here, depending on its content, as it would appear she was radicalised online. That would be a matter for the police.
If a crime is committed in another country then as you say, that would be a matter for their laws.
I cant see the outcome of this being quite as simple as you say, she may if she reaches her destination attending a terrorist training camp, this could be an issue for some one returning here, at the very least her card would be marked.
I think it a real chance that some of these fighters as/if they return could face criminal charges of some kind

3 Oct 2014

On the charge of being a member of an illegal organisation, as I understand it ISIS has either been declared an illegal organisation or is about to be, just as the IRA was many years ago.
Better not to let her return at all but if she was permitted re-entry to the United Kingdom then yes I would like to see her tried for what she has done and will be doing.
I make no apologies for what I say, I sympathise with her and her family but as I have said, this is the only way we can deal with extremists, better this than use their own tactics of murdering anyone who disagrees with their doctrine.
As for reading the Geneva Convention, why ? what does the Geneva Convention mean in the modern world ? half the Nations and organisations we go up against have not signed up to it's rules so why should we be expected to abide by them, we don't is the true fact, I have carried out actions which I was ordered to do as a member of the British Army and which were against Geneva Convention rules, we have broken the rules before, the precedent has been set.
We have also participated in Imprisonment without trial or charges being brought at Guantanamo Bay and in Northern Ireland during the period of legal internment at the H Blocks.

3 Oct 2014

Quote by MidsCouple24
As for reading the Geneva Convention, why ? what does the Geneva Convention mean in the modern world ? half the Nations and organisations we go up against have not signed up to it's rules so why should we be expected to abide by them, we don't is the true fact, I have carried out actions which I was ordered to do as a member of the British Army and which were against Geneva Convention rules, we have broken the rules before, the precedent has been set.

If you have done this, knowing full well you wer ein breach, then you are no better than any terrorist. Therefore I say you are at the very least a hypocrit and at most a terrorist and the full weight of the law should be levied at yourself.

3 Oct 2014

I do believe the only option open to us is to deport her back to Syria for trail at the Syrians request, should they request
roll on the human rights court cases at the tax payers expense :huh:

3 Oct 2014

Quote by Rogue_Trader
As for reading the Geneva Convention, why ? what does the Geneva Convention mean in the modern world ? half the Nations and organisations we go up against have not signed up to it's rules so why should we be expected to abide by them, we don't is the true fact, I have carried out actions which I was ordered to do as a member of the British Army and which were against Geneva Convention rules, we have broken the rules before, the precedent has been set.

If you have done this, knowing full well you wer ein breach, then you are no better than any terrorist. Therefore I say you are at the very least a hypocrit and at most a terrorist and the full weight of the law should be levied at yourself.
An opinion you are well entitled to, I won't worry too much, I cannot see charges ever being brought against the thousands of troops who obeyed the order to sharpen our bayonets prior to landing in the Falkland Islands and using the sharpening stones providing by the Engineers on board the ship, but sharpening a bayonet is illegal under the Geneva Convention. I doubt Argentina would pursue the matter since using Napalm as they did is probably considered a greater breach of the terms and conditions of war. Of course the powers in charge of British Troops were worried that a standard bayonet would not penetrate the (average) 7 layers of clothing worn by troops serving on the Island.
If charged I would plead guilty, I do not see the fact that I obeyed an order as an excuse since the order was illegal and the choice was mine to make, but as I have often said, there is a lot I personally am willing to do to protect those I have sworn to protect and that includes pushing the boundaries of the civil rights of people who carry out acts of terrorism and their families. I do not see sharpening a bayonet as an act of terrorism illegal yes but not terrorism.

6 Oct 2014

its all theatre and a psyop. fear fear the jihadies are here.
all nonsense to cover geostrategic operations.
weapons of mass destruction. hit us in 45 minuets
babies being thrown out of incubators
gadaffi giving out viagra to troops to punish rebels
gadaffi is bombing his own people
assad is gassing his own people in the capital damascus on the very day the u.n. inspectors arrive
mujahadeen
al qaeder
al nursra
boko harem in nigeria ?
is
isil
isis
brilliantly timed beheading videos all in the same format, backround and executioner
korasin next or is it ebola
wake up, open your eyes and stop being played. its all propaganda

8 Oct 2014

Quote by gulsonroad30664
its all theatre and a psyop. fear fear the jihadies are here.
all nonsense to cover geostrategic operations.
weapons of mass destruction. hit us in 45 minuets
babies being thrown out of incubators
gadaffi giving out viagra to troops to punish rebels
gadaffi is bombing his own people
assad is gassing his own people in the capital damascus on the very day the u.n. inspectors arrive
mujahadeen
al qaeder
al nursra
boko harem in nigeria ?
is
isil
isis
brilliantly timed beheading videos all in the same format, backround and executioner
korasin next or is it ebola
wake up, open your eyes and stop being played. its all propaganda

Just where does one start with this rubbish?
Conspiracy theories abound on the internet and anything and everything can be associated with global control by the corporate giants.
All insubstantiated and all without facts...

8 Oct 2014

Quote by Rogue_Trader
its all theatre and a psyop. fear fear the jihadies are here.
all nonsense to cover geostrategic operations.
weapons of mass destruction. hit us in 45 minuets
babies being thrown out of incubators
gadaffi giving out viagra to troops to punish rebels
gadaffi is bombing his own people
assad is gassing his own people in the capital damascus on the very day the u.n. inspectors arrive
mujahadeen
al qaeder
al nursra
boko harem in nigeria ?
is
isil
isis
brilliantly timed beheading videos all in the same format, backround and executioner
korasin next or is it ebola
wake up, open your eyes and stop being played. its all propaganda

Just where does one start with this rubbish?
Conspiracy theories abound on the internet and anything and everything can be associated with global control by the corporate giants.
All insubstantiated and all without facts...
Gulson's doesn't do facts, other than to say 'it's out there!'

8 Oct 2014

Quote by Rogue_Trader
its all theatre and a psyop. fear fear the jihadies are here.
all nonsense to cover geostrategic operations.
weapons of mass destruction. hit us in 45 minuets
babies being thrown out of incubators
gadaffi giving out viagra to troops to punish rebels
gadaffi is bombing his own people
assad is gassing his own people in the capital damascus on the very day the u.n. inspectors arrive
mujahadeen
al qaeder
al nursra
boko harem in nigeria ?
is
isil
isis
brilliantly timed beheading videos all in the same format, backround and executioner
korasin next or is it ebola
wake up, open your eyes and stop being played. its all propaganda

Just where does one start with this rubbish?
Conspiracy theories abound on the internet and anything and everything can be associated with global control by the corporate giants.
All insubstantiated and all without facts...
Gulson's doesn't do facts, other than to say 'it's out there!'

11 Dec 2015

ow is probably the appropriate time to reiterate my opinion on the matter

12 Dec 2015

:thumbup:
Cameroon is a buffoon. Bliar had his dodgy dossier, Cameroon is just dodgy. His eyes are too close together.
I wouldn't buy a used car off him. Come to think of it, I'd stay upwind from him at all times to avoid the funny smell...

13 Dec 2015

Quote by GnV
:thumbup:
Cameroon is a buffoon. Bliar had his dodgy dossier, Cameroon is just dodgy. His eyes are too close together.
I wouldn't buy a used car off him. Come to think of it, I'd stay upwind from him at all times to avoid the funny smell...

Desi calls Cameron Gammon Face lol

I think its a perfect description ;)

13 Dec 2015

Quote by minikat
:thumbup:
Cameroon is a buffoon. Bliar had his dodgy dossier, Cameroon is just dodgy. His eyes are too close together.
I wouldn't buy a used car off him. Come to think of it, I'd stay upwind from him at all times to avoid the funny smell...

Desi calls Cameron Gammon Face lol

I think its a perfect description ;)
:shock:Was that before or after he was accused of sexual activity with a pigs head? :grin:

4 Jan 2016

Quote by gulsonroad30664
ow is probably the appropriate time to reiterate my opinion on the matter

2 things;
1. Opinions...just like an arsehole, everyone has one
and
2. Just because you have an opinion it doesn't make it right.