The more I am looking into the Syrian civil war the more convinced I am that we should in fact be on side with the Russians and be supporting the Assad regime rather than what increasingly seems like Iranian / Hezbollah and Al Quieda foreign terrorists.
Why are we backing Islamic terrorists in Syria and fighting them in Afghanistan?
Because the Cameron regime has all but lost its marbles.
I was a great fan of William Hague when he was leader of the party and even met him on one occasion and was quite close on another when he flew in by helicopter to an airfield near me during the election campaign which he lost to Blair being shortly replaced by IDS.
These days, I hardly recognise him and his general demeanour which appears to be somewhat 'shifty'. Really sad.
Got to say, that although the Assad crew are not Mr Nice Guy and friends, that if they get toppled I have no confidence that whoever replaces them will turn out to be peaceful and fun loving.
John
al qaeder was set up, trained, armed and financed by the cia, nato and the west in 1979 to weigh down and drain the soviets in afghanistan. contrary to media reports over the last 30 years, neither they or the bin ladens ever changed sides. they are the mercenary arab battalions sent in under the guise of freedom fighters to destabilise countries and if possible justify western invasion.
this i have been reminding people on this forum for years.
the war on terror is a hoax.
Think Gulson may be referring to the idea that Al-Qaeda was being covertly financed by western states. Well this is sort of true in that Bin Laden was certainly financed massively to operate a war against the Russians initially. Once the Russians left Afghanistan the funding from the US stopped. At this point Bin Ladeb formed the 'official' A-Qaeda to wage a holy war on the west. So yes the West paid for the start of Al-Qaeda's war on the West
In essence the history of Al-Qaeda and Bin laden are inextricably linked to funding from the west. The West used this organisation to keep Afghanistan unstable and fractious to piss the Russians off. Bin Laden took the money from anywhere didn't care and used it to slap initially Russia then anywhere else West (Russia being just as West as the U.S to him regardless of geographic location.
well documented, al qaeder means data base. the data base of the mujahadeen fighters, trained and financed by the cia under the foreign policy formulated by zibignew brezinski under ronald reagan. these fighters come from all over the middle east not just afghanistan. they are paid mercenaries from saudi arabia (hence the bin laden family connection), chechyna, pakistan, libya, qatar, bahrain and egypt. they have been used in egypt, tunisia, libya, iraq, chechnya and afghanistan. this is a fact, not my "world" and is well documanted. at present they are in syria trying to overthrow the existing sovereign government under the guise of freedom fighters with the total supprt of the west and arab puppet states al la saudi arabia, qatar and turkey. very democratic states whose rulers (kept in power by the west) have excellent human rights records.
they are murderers and terrorists financed, trained and armed by the west.
at no point did osama bin laden change sides and at no point did the west stop financing and arming, oh and transporting al qaeder.
It's very difficult to have an absolute authoritative version of events with so much conflicting opinion out there. There is no point rubbishing one persons views whilst extolling ones own in these cases. It would be nice to see opinions respected if nor agreed with rather than just slapped down with equally if not more tenuous evidence to the contrary.
I know what I believe and on this occasion i tend to be on the Gulson interpretation in this.
We are not supporting Islamic terrorists , we are supporting people who wish to rid themselves of the yoke of a murderous and oppressive regime. The fact that they are Muslim (in part ) and opposing an incumbent government does not make them terrorists. Fighting injustice and torture is not terrorism.
There are three sides fighting in Syria two are Syrian and one comprises foreign nationals, I think it would be a mistake to withdraw support for the FSA and the chance of any future influence on them because they are being infiltrated by other it would be more helpful to support them and hopefully be in a position later to assist them in forming a secular a non interventionist policy would do is leave us with shit on our hands and nothing to show for it
Nerve gas?........
At least the Western Govts are not rushing to agree that it was "obviously" Assad troops that used it. Perhaps it was the immediate demand by the FSA that the West join in now that nerve gas has been used that has tempered the moment.
There is just as much chance that the lunatics in the FSA would use nerve gas to send their own people into eternal martyrdom.
I on many occasions GnV despair at this country. 93 thousand people apparently have been killed in Syria. The countries regime has been using chemical weapons on it's people, and the West have only just decided to do anything?
When will we ever learn? Iraq has bombs going off on a daily basis and killing thousands. Afghanistan will revert back to what it was before we went in, and all those British soldiers lives lost for nothing, and now Syria.
How can this country justify getting rid of more soldiers, whilst supporting a war effort? It beggers belief that this Government under Cameron has just upped the foreign aid bill to Christ knows how many of billions of pounds, with no real knowledge of where a lot of it ends up going. On one hand they say we are broke, then on the other hand we can give away billions of pounds to others countries, whilst we put our service men and women onto the social scrap heap.
I despair of the country my Grandchildren will be growing up in.
After the invasion of Iraq under the lies of WMD, did Tony Bliar not then get to be a fucking peace envoy ??
I do not believe for one second that Assad has used chemical weapons on his own people.
The Russians are spot on correct and "The West" is completely wrong. To even consider putting more arms into a conflict that is brutally expanding every hour of every day is an appalling thought.
If anyone has any doubt about the sheer grotesqueness of what is going on (on both sides) - subscribe to Live Leak - but make sure you have a strong constitution and have not eaten beforehand.
If foreign fighters were operating in this country with the sole aim of overthrowing our system of governance we would quite rightly expect our own armed forces to take up arms by air and land to rid our land of the foreigners. Accepted that Syria is not a democracy but it is full of foreign fighters trying to impose an Islamic authoritarian State in Syria and whilst some may want that - many more don't. Kidnapping, torture and ritual execution is not the way to change a government and yet we are expected to believe that supporting the very terrorists that would take down Syria, but our country as well, is a good thing...
Bollocks.
The UK should keep well away from any involvement in this !!
John
Another big round of army redundancies announced today, the Government say it is unavoidable, and I agree with them, we cannot afford to arm and pay our own troops whilst we are arming people in other countries, especially with much of those arms ending up in terrorist hands.
Time to resurrect this thread with Cameron recalling the UK Parliament this Thursday for a vote on the UK taking military action against the Syrian regime.
With Obama talking war footing launching missiles from US warships and the UK FS William Hague all but licking John Kerry's boots, I haven't changed my mind over this at all.
The Americans say that it is inconceivable that the opposition forces in Syria would use chemical weapons on their own faction just shows how little the west really knows or understands the Arab raison d'être. I believe it IS perfectly reasonable to expect that they would do this as life to them is cheap and it will make the lie that Assad is using chemical weapons all the more believable.
It has been said that the only way to negotiate with an Arab is with a knife to his throat. This concept is totally alien to the west and we should keep out of it.
