Syria Vs Turkey ?

24 Jun 2012

Following the weekend news that one of Turkey's F4 Phantoms was shot down by Syria - Turkey say in international airspace and Syria contending it was in it's airspace - Turkey has now invoked Article 4 of NATO's charter, under which consultations can be requested when an ally feels territorial integrity, political independence or security is threatened.
Turkey's Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu saying, "Our plane was shot down in international airspace, 13 nautical miles (24km) from Syria"
(According to international law, a country's airspace extends 12 nautical miles ( ) from its coastline, corresponding with its territorial waters).
On the plus side for now, at least, Turkey is not seeking to invoke Article 5 of the NATO treaty which would require countries to offer it practical military assistance. However Turkey has has promised that there will be a strong, decisive and legitimate response to this incident
What's clear is that Turkey's concern is shared by other Nato countries. Foreign Secretary William Hague has expressed his grave concern at the shooting down of the aircraft, which he says, according to the Turkish authorities, had happened "without warning". Adding, "It will be held to account for its behaviour. The UK stands ready to pursue robust action at the United Nations Security Council"
What this episode does do is to highlight the escalating dangers as the Syrian crisis continues. As the bloodshed grows and the Assad regime becomes more desperate, so the risk of some untoward event happening which widens the circle of conflict grows accordingly.
As an aside, Akrotiri and Dhekelia are United Kingdom's Sovereign Base Areas (SBAs) on Cyprus and unlike other British Overseas Territories are responsible to the British Ministry of Defence rather than the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, plus they contain the only full-fledged Royal Air Force air base in the Mediterranean and which is significantly closer to Syria than Italy was to Libya.
Perhaps a story to watch with interest, especially now that there's a Syria/Turkey aspect

24 Jun 2012

nato of which turkey is a member has been arming the rebels of the "free syrian army" for over 12 nmonths. they have training camps in south east turkey where cia operatives distribute arms and training. the west "nato" after libya is continually harassing syria politically, economically and militarily. this probing of syria's airspace did not occur in international airspace and could be ww111's gulf of tonkin incident. i hope not.

24 Jun 2012

Quote by gulsonroad30664
could be ww111's gulf of tonkin incident. i hope not.

One day you will be right, as every conflict is started by an "incident".
Dave_Notts

24 Jun 2012

Quote by gulsonroad30664
nato of which turkey is a member has been arming the rebels of the "free syrian army" for over 12 nmonths. they have training camps in south east turkey where cia operatives distribute arms and training. the west "nato" after libya is continually harassing syria politically, economically and militarily. this probing of syria's airspace did not occur in international airspace and could be ww111's gulf of tonkin incident. i hope not.

And that is one of the reasons why your Airmen, Sailors and Soldiers will be sent in harms way in support of turkey if things escalate. The Phantom was shot down by the government of Syria's forces, not the free syrian army.

25 Jun 2012

Quote by Trevaunance
nato of which turkey is a member has been arming the rebels of the "free syrian army" for over 12 nmonths. they have training camps in south east turkey where cia operatives distribute arms and training. the west "nato" after libya is continually harassing syria politically, economically and militarily. this probing of syria's airspace did not occur in international airspace and could be ww111's gulf of tonkin incident. i hope not.

And that is one of the reasons why your Airmen, Sailors and Soldiers will be sent in harms way in support of turkey if things escalate. The Phantom was shot down by the government of Syria's forces, not the free syrian army.
Awwww c'mon...
Let's not let the facts get in the way of a good story huh :lol2:

26 Jun 2012

Both China and Russia are involved... nothing will happen there!! Just got to let the Turks shout about it etc ... Syria is well defended with Russian hardware, and nothing there of any real use ... Iran is next!!
J

27 Jun 2012

Quote by VoyeurJ
Both China and Russia are involved... nothing will happen there!! Just got to let the Turks shout about it etc ... Syria is well defended with Russian hardware, and nothing there of any real use ... Iran is next!!
J

J,
They already are via the 30yr old treaty/pact between Syria and Iran, with various middle eastern journals having published details of Iranian 'advisors' in Syria.
The Iran-Syria alliance grew out of common cause—and common enemies. Since Iran’s 1979 revolution, the two regional powerhouses have pooled political leverage and military resources to enhance their position, build a network of surrogate militias and frustrate the plans of opponents. Together they ensured Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, which bordered both countries, would not become the predominant regional power. They forced U.S. peacekeepers out of Lebanon in 1984, and thwarted Israel’s effort to bring Lebanon into its orbit during an 18-year occupation that finally ended in Israel’s unilateral withdrawal in 2000. The odd bedfellows together sired or supported Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and an array of radical Palestinian groups. All reject peace.
Facing mounting criticism at home and abroad, Iranian leaders have repeatedly defended their Syrian stance by emphasising that Assad is intent on implementing reforms and that his reform plans enjoy the backing of a majority of Syrian people.
A year and a half into the Syrian crisis, Iranian leaders have seen themselves drawn into a protracted crisis in which Hamas has distanced itself from Damascus, posing a serious challenge to the "axis of resistance" – the alliance of Syria, Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah and reportedly in the eyes of the Iranian leadership, civil war and sectarian violence in Syria only benefits Israel.
This probably helps explain why Putin, on his trip to Isreal, and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov are pushing for Iran to be involved in the upcoming international meeting on the Syria to be held in Geneva, "We are ready to go. Iran must be present. Otherwise the circle of participants will be incomplete and will not gather everybody who has influence on all Syrian sides."
Meanwhile Turkey's prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdo?an, has threatened Syria with retaliation for the shooting down of a military jet, and warned that Turkish armed forces would respond to any Syrian encroachment on their joint border, with the rules of engagement for Turkish forces along the Syrian border being changed so they would respond more forcefully to threats coming from Syria. "Any military element that approaches the Turkish border from Syria by posing a security risk and danger will be regarded as a threat and treated as a military target," Erdo?an said.
Lets hope cooler heads preside and this becomes a 'non story'

20 Jul 2012

Interesting match up this, however Turkey are more technically gifted than the Syrians plus the Turkish home crowd will help over the two legs so I'll go for Syria 1 - Turkey 4 as a result.
lol

21 Jul 2012

You've gotta love plagiarism lol

23 Jul 2012

Quote by Trevaunance
You've gotta love plagiarism

I agree - Plagiarism - I'm loving it...... sorry not plagiarism..... a Big Mac Meal!!!!! always confuse those 2!!!!