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I had to go to my local hospital in the early ours of last Friday morning. I arrived at roughly am and left at
In that time I was charged 4 quid to park. 4 quid when there was hardly a car in the car park at that time in the morning.
How on earth can they justify charges that high? It is NOT a private hospital but an NHS one, one that has a A and E too.
The only people who go there are the sick, or people visiting the sick, or people taking sick people there. So it is a tax on the sick.
I do not mind a token amount to park but 2 quid for the first hour, and a quid for EVERY hour after that up to a maximum of ten quid, is greed personified.
Why are even hospitals jumping on the gravy train of greed? It is also a tax on the poor as I am sure there are many people who use that hospital, who are on genuine benefits. Day patient appointments for all sorts of illnesses, are not exempt from these greedy people who decide what the charges will be.
A patient on invalidity benefit for many genuine reasons, could be there as a day patient for five hours, and be charged six quid.
Greed even in hospitals...............2010 style.
Most hospital car parks are NPC so its not the hospital thats greedy. I agree with you, parking charges are unacceptably high.
here our hosital is in Hull so anyone from the south bank of the Humber also have the bridge toll of EACH WAY to fork out for too! It makes hospital VERY expensive indeed.
Ohh playing catch up Kent lol Was working in the NHS 6 years ago and it was pay to park back then.
We have to go to hospital fairly frequently with one of the mini Tweekys and there they have hardly any parking at all and you have to pay on the road meters :sad: I would not be surprised if a lot of NHS does not follow suit soon. Its like most stuff these days they think its a perfect world and everyone should get on the bus where medically possible I guess. There will always be two standard excuses. In city hospitals they will have a lack of parking and a charge as "We dont encourage traffic into the city centre". Out of city hospitals like our local one have a high parking charge to "Stop the park and riders from outside the city". That would happen a lot before the charge, people driving in from Gloucester parking up at the hospital and busing the last 2 miles.
Our last experience of hospital car parking thankfully is now some years distant.
Our memory was that out of hours there was no charge and for visitors to long term or terminal/intensive/long term care patients there were concessions authorised by the ward sister. I can't now recall the detail but it did seem fair at the time particularly as the hospital was in a seaside town and was "abused" by all-comers. I do recall some occasions though where we used a taxi to get to the hospital....
Quote by kentswingers777

I had to go to my local hospital in the early ours of last Friday morning. I arrived at roughly am and left at
In that time I was charged 4 quid to park. 4 quid when there was hardly a car in the car park at that time in the morning.
How on earth can they justify charges that high? It is NOT a private hospital but an NHS one, one that has a A and E too.
The only people who go there are the sick, or people visiting the sick, or people taking sick people there. So it is a tax on the sick.
I do not mind a token amount to park but 2 quid for the first hour, and a quid for EVERY hour after that up to a maximum of ten quid, is greed personified.
Why are even hospitals jumping on the gravy train of greed? It is also a tax on the poor as I am sure there are many people who use that hospital, who are on genuine benefits. Day patient appointments for all sorts of illnesses, are not exempt from these greedy people who decide what the charges will be.
A patient on invalidity benefit for many genuine reasons, could be there as a day patient for five hours, and be charged six quid.
Greed even in hospitals...............2010 style.

There is a blue badge scheme in place for such people my dad had one but never owed a car but could be used on a car that he used for transport as in a family member etc. The hosptial also lay on transport to get people to and from appointments too.
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There is a blue badge scheme in place for such people my dad had one but never owed a car but could be used on a car that he used for transport as in a family member etc. The hosptial also lay on transport to get people to and from appointments too.

Yes of course there is a blue badge scheme, but some people can be disabled for only a short period of time, like after a big operation. I think to get the blue badge you have to be REGISTERED as point doing anything if it is only a temporary situation.
Yes hospitals can lay on transport, but usually it is for people who have no other means to get to their appointments. A lot of people rely on family or friends to take them there. Also my Father used an ambulance only last month to take him home as I was away on that day, and he waited over four hours.....btw he is 78!
It is unfair and downright greedy to charge the sick to park at a hospital...it is not a shopping centre but a hospital, and to charge people the amounts they do is disgusting on many levels.
Maybe the hospital I went to should be more concerned with people smoking on their grounds,(which they have a ban on which people ignore btw), than counting the vast sums of money they get from huge parking charges. The hospitals saw an opportunity to make money, and they took it with both hands and feet, to the detriment of the sick and the needy in that community.
They do not give a fuck about the sick, only their own greed.
No hospital parking fees in Scotland or Wales I think.
No University tution fees in Scotland.
Hey Alex Salmond, hurry up and get an independant Scotland then us in the far Northern Counties of England who are going to be screwed the most by the Condems can vote to leave England and join Scotland !!
John & Shel
Quote by Kaznkev
Yup,i m seriously considering moving to berwick,an independant northumberland being a dream to far

Well I hope there are more hospitals than schools there, or you could be doing a 300 mile round trip to see a Doctor.
Well we know what the roads are like up there??
Don't even think about getting on a train either....
:twisted:
Quote by Geordiecpl2001
No hospital parking fees in Scotland or Wales I think.
No University tution fees in Scotland.
Hey Alex Salmond, hurry up and get an independant Scotland then us in the far Northern Counties of England who are going to be screwed the most by the Condems can vote to leave England and join Scotland !!
John & Shel

sorry at our local hospital we have had parking fees for years now, not too extortionate but still expensive (north wales) if your undergoing fairly lengthy ongoing treatment like cancer / after-care then you can get reimbursed, touch wood never had to use. this hospital also is about the only a&e within a 30 mile radius that is of a decent size and open 24/7 and it is is in a coastal location so gets used by day trippers residents of the area alike. i have no problem with a charge but keep it real.
Quote by Kaznkev
Yup,i m seriously considering moving to berwick,an independant northumberland being a dream to far

Well I hope there are more hospitals than schools there, or you could be doing a 300 mile round trip to see a Doctor.
Well we know what the roads are like up there??
Don't even think about getting on a train either....
:twisted:
Berwick is on the Glasgow to London mainline,and being a large town for the area has an excellent first middle and high school.
Perhaps this might help.

Not me that needs the maps.....I am fully aware that there are plenty of schools and hospitals in Northumberland.
Still keep that map somewhere safe, as you never know when you might need it.
We have to pay to park for outpitient opiontments, but on the four occations, over a 9 year period, that we have had emergency visit's to our local hospital, we have not had to pay. 2 child berth and two brocken bones, in the hospital we were given a pass to put in the window of our car.
The same applies when I visit the Dorset History Centre in Dorchester to research our family tree, although the parking is limited, we get a pass to place in the window of the car
Perhaps we are just lucky here dunno
i have had to pay high car parking fees over the past few years even when visiting hospital after recieving a phone call asking me to get there quickly (my dad died) i had no free pass sad
also i visited someone everyday, several times a day when they were in intensive care and also when they were first taken into hospital as an emergency following a rta, i still had to pay high car parking fees and often had to park off site due to lack of car parking spaces
both were dreadful experiences and to add to the stress of either not being able to get onto the car park (and had the police phoning us constantly asking us to get there quick) and having to park off site we then had to fork out huge car park fees !
i think car parking at hospitals should be free to ill people and to visitors in an emergency
To all you people who think hospital car parking charges are wrong, which hospital department do you think should lose out and pay for them for you? The children's ward? Geriatric care? A&E? CVA rehab?
Because that's basically the long and veiny of it. Those hospitals that charge are clawing back the original cost of the building of the car park, for yea verily - t'is them that have to pay for it. They're also paying for maintenance, lighting, and cctv surveillance. Any extra funds go towards non-NHS paid for services like non-denominational quiet rooms, toys for the childrens wards, bariatric wheel chairs, outside landscaping, benches and many other extra local services - walk-in centres, outreach centres etc.
Those people who get free hospital parking are lucky - sort of. The hospital still has to pay for the above things for their car parks and guess where the money comes from?? Yup! Patient services. If your parking is free, your health services are not as good.
Who here always has a pudding after lunch and dinner? Hospitals offer puddings. Perhaps if we take away the puddings then the parking could be free. But then the pudding nazis would complain. It's a tough world, but your nhs treatment is essentially free at source - should the nhs really pay for your car parking as well? How about a free valetting service while we're at it? Gold plated crutches perhaps?
If you don't like paying to park your car at a hospital - get the bus. Or don't go, get sicker and die - problem solved.
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Was it not Margret Thatcher who encouraged hospitals to make money where they could to go some way in offsetting the running costs of hospitals. Good old Maggie,,,, huge party at her wake no doubt and even bigger cue to jump on herr grave.

I think it was Alan Milburn actually in Bliars Administration flipa
But there you go; slag off the dear lady just like you do the people who attend your parties. wink
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And once again youre wrong.

Well IF GNV is wrong, will you kindly tell us all the bit that says you are right??
No point just saying somebody is wrong, without evidence backing up your claims.
I await your reply.
Quote by ForestFunsters
To all you people who think hospital car parking charges are wrong, which hospital department do you think should lose out and pay for them for you? The children's ward? Geriatric care? A&E? CVA rehab?

Because that's basically the long and veiny of it. Those hospitals that charge are clawing back the original cost of the building of the car park, for yea verily - t'is them that have to pay for it. They're also paying for maintenance, lighting, and cctv surveillance. Any extra funds go towards non-NHS paid for services like non-denominational quiet rooms, toys for the childrens wards, bariatric wheel chairs, outside landscaping, benches and many other extra local services - walk-in centres, outreach centres etc.
Those people who get free hospital parking are lucky - sort of. The hospital still has to pay for the above things for their car parks and guess where the money comes from?? Yup! Patient services. If your parking is free, your health services are not as good.
Who here always has a pudding after lunch and dinner? Hospitals offer puddings. Perhaps if we take away the puddings then the parking could be free. But then the pudding nazis would complain. It's a tough world, but your nhs treatment is essentially free at source - should the nhs really pay for your car parking as well? How about a free valetting service while we're at it? Gold plated crutches perhaps?
If you don't like paying to park your car at a hospital - get the bus. Or don't go, get sicker and die - problem solved.

I say this as I do not know, if the car park was paid for by the hospital, was that not tax payers money they built it with?
Quote by Islandcpl1
And once again youre wrong.

Well IF GNV is wrong, will you kindly tell us all the bit that says you are right??
No point just saying somebody is wrong, without evidence backing up your claims.
I await your reply.
I am awaiting a reply from the Hansard Society. BTW was it not Mrs T who had the offices of a certain documentary producers raided by the police because she did'nt want a program critisising her and her administration aired using the defence of the realm plea? Ahhhhh freedom of speach indeed!
What is it on this forum about Thatcher???
Can't you and others actually move on with ya lives??
I really think you should look at the last Labour administration for the many failings we have today, and stop harping on about a Tory Government and more importantly a Tory leader from a quarter of a century ago ffs.
You and the rest on here should join the George Galloway fan club, as he hates Thatcher as well....he also is deluded and never achieved fuck all in his political career except to be booted out of the House in disgrace.
I can give you a link to his website if you like?
banghead:banghead::banghead:
Quote by Bluefish2009
I say this as I do not know, if the car park was paid for by the hospital, was that not tax payers money they built it with?

You cannot use that argument Blue.....it is true though!
Bottom line Blue is the hospital saw an opportunity to rake in the dosh from the very people it is supposed to be helping.
It is a disgusting exhibition of pure greed, and the very people who implement these charges, should be ashamed of themselves.
It may be the slogan of " free health care for all ", pity that did not include parking as well.
There are pudding nazis??? Bloody hell! :eeek:
With the hospitals now being part of trust's this is where they are pressurised to try & show some returns for the cash they receive, we have family that work for the NHS at a hospital that have to pay a £5 a day parkin charge so it's not just the sick or familys being hit
They even charge their staff???? :eeek: Are you serious? Bloody hell!
Quote by kentswingers777
I say this as I do not know, if the car park was paid for by the hospital, was that not tax payers money they built it with?

You cannot use that argument Blue.....it is true though!
Bottom line Blue is the hospital saw an opportunity to rake in the dosh from the very people it is supposed to be helping.
It is a disgusting exhibition of pure greed, and the very people who implement these charges, should be ashamed of themselves.
It may be the slogan of " free health care for all ", pity that did not include parking as well.
You've pretty much hit the nail on the head here - it's free health care for humans, not for cars. Many people don't have cars and use public transport, or get a neighbour to drop them off if urgent, or an ambulance in an emergency.
You may be interested to know that Maidstone Emergency Care Centre is one of the best trauma care centres in the south and that the most costly (to the NHS in terms of multiple-injury care/after-care) individual trauma cases are motorcyclists. They were also 14% over budget last year, but funded the excess themselves. Want to guess how?
Quote by vampanya
They even charge their staff???? :eeek: Are you serious? Bloody hell!

Yup. I've been paying monthly to park at my own base hospital for the past 10 years.
Quote by vampanya
They even charge their staff???? :eeek: Are you serious? Bloody hell!

Not new is it sad Ive been in my job for 6 years and they have been charging for parking the entire time Ive worked there. Needless to say I find a spot on the road smile
Ah I suppose its no different to anyone else having to pay for parking in town centres. It seems a bit crap that an employer would benefit directly from those parking charges though. Give it to you in one hand and take it back with the other.
Hospital where I live is only a few years old and yet there is a high level of lack of parking, if you have an appointment there you need to arrive at least 2 hours early just to queue for a space, theres even not enough parking for staff as well.
There are regular buses from town every 15 minutes and even through I have to get a bus into town and then one to hospital it only takes 30 minutes in total and costs return.
The car parks might be run by NCP but the local council has the right to what the charges are and recently our council took a vote as to whether or not to scrap the charges but as you can guess that didnt go through.
What does bug me is that if you have to stay in hospitals you have to pay for tv at per day and phones somethings like 49p per minute for a call, what a rip off.
Over last few years I've spent alot of time in hospital and had a dongle but was told I couldnt use it in the hospital on my laptop as my laptop hadnt been tested by their eletricians and certifed safe. And when using my mobile phone was given a right ear full by staff but if you read all the reports on the internet it doesnt interferrer with equipment, and one hospital in Surrey allows the use of mobile phones on wards. When I asked to go outside the hospital to make the call I was told I couldnt go out, more like a prison than a hospital.
Here in Scunny you have to pay to park in the hospital even if you have a blue badge!!
My mum has one and at moment we spend a lot of time at the hospital, she has to go every friday morning and sometimes another time in the week.
You get free parking for the first 40 mins, but once you have managed to get a space, unloaded a wheelchair and pushed her to whichever department she is in, waited for the appointment - which are never on time.. there is no way you can be out in 40 mins!! The you have to stump up for 2 hours then rising to £3.
I work in NHS, and am not based at the hospital, but if we have to go there for anything we have to pay to park.
It all seems very unfair to me!!
Quote by vampanya
They even charge their staff???? :eeek: Are you serious? Bloody hell!

nobody is safe, 2 options really...dont get sick or live near a hospital but if you choose to live near you'll have loads of strange cars parked outside ya house constantly
Quote by soulgirl
Hospital where I live is only a few years old and yet there is a high level of lack of parking, if you have an appointment there you need to arrive at least 2 hours early just to queue for a space, theres even not enough parking for staff as well.
This is all done on purpose. Simply they dont want you or the staff to park there, they want you to go on the bus which obviously you have in the past.
There are regular buses from town every 15 minutes and even through I have to get a bus into town and then one to hospital it only takes 30 minutes in total and costs return.
The car parks might be run by NCP but the local council has the right to what the charges are and recently our council took a vote as to whether or not to scrap the charges but as you can guess that didnt go through.
For the same reason I wrote above.
What does bug me is that if you have to stay in hospitals you have to pay for tv at per day and phones somethings like 49p per minute for a call, what a rip off.
Patientline? I worked on this years ago and my Mum had it in hospital about a few months ago. Calls to BT landlines are free? they were for her. Its the inbound calls they charge a lot for and they waste the first two mins of every phone call giving you all the options :-x Advantages and disadvantages to all of this. Before you all had to get to the end of the ward for the ward TV if of course you could make it that far. So the bedside TV's might be quite good for the bed bound. You dont have to wait whilst 4 other people use the ward phone now either.
Over last few years I've spent alot of time in hospital and had a dongle but was told I couldnt use it in the hospital on my laptop as my laptop hadnt been tested by their eletricians and certifed safe. And when using my mobile phone was given a right ear full by staff but if you read all the reports on the internet it doesnt interferrer with equipment, and one hospital in Surrey allows the use of mobile phones on wards. When I asked to go outside the hospital to make the call I was told I couldnt go out, more like a prison than a hospital.
This is all going to vary from place to place confused??: One hospital in Bristol allows fans by the bed the other does not due to above said electrical testing and the cost of implementing it. At the hospital my Mum was at everyone was using mobiles freely including the patients.
Quote by tweeky
Over last few years I've spent alot of time in hospital and had a dongle but was told I couldnt use it in the hospital on my laptop as my laptop hadnt been tested by their eletricians and certifed safe.

This is a load of bollox made up by someone who doesn't know their arse from their elbow I am afraid Tweeky. I have seen this excuse used all over the country by large and small business.
A laptop is a class two piece of electrical equipment. It is inherently safe i.e. its construction makes the thing safe. It cannot have a PAT test as it doesn't have an earth and its running voltage is usually about 9v. This is where electricians make money out of the ignorant as people believe they have to be tested and inspected every year. There is no law to have this type of equipment tested. The guidance is to check it by a visual inspection by someone who has more than two brain cells to work out a) is the computer badly damaged enough to get your fingers inside b) are the wire and plug badly damaged. If they are then replace or throw it away.
You do not need a qualified electrician to test or inspect, it is a money spinner by the Institute of Electrical Engineers
Dave_Notts
Quote by Dave__Notts

Over last few years I've spent alot of time in hospital and had a dongle but was told I couldnt use it in the hospital on my laptop as my laptop hadnt been tested by their eletricians and certifed safe.

This is a load of bollox made up by someone who doesn't know their arse from their elbow I am afraid Tweeky. I have seen this excuse used all over the country by large and small business.
A laptop is a class two piece of electrical equipment. It is inherently safe i.e. its construction makes the thing safe. It cannot have a PAT test as it doesn't have an earth and its running voltage is usually about 9v. This is where electricians make money out of the ignorant as people believe they have to be tested and inspected every year. There is no law to have this type of equipment tested. The guidance is to check it by a visual inspection by someone who has more than two brain cells to work out a) is the computer badly damaged enough to get your fingers inside b) are the wire and plug badly damaged. If they are then replace or throw it away.
You do not need a qualified electrician to test or inspect, it is a money spinner by the Institute of Electrical Engineers
Dave_Notts
Seems they are everywhere!