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If the kid is anything like the ones that get on my bus, I don't blame the teacher 1 bit!
We must remember that 14 yr olds are quite capable of being a nightmare.
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If the kid is anything like the ones that get on my bus, I don't blame the teacher 1 bit!
We must remember that 14 yr olds are quite capable of being a nightmare.

10 year-olds are capable of murder. So age is no bar to desreving a battering.







The thing is you only find what you look for, if you've already decided you're surrounded by scum, that's all you'll ever see
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The thing is you only find what you look for, if you've already decided you're surrounded by scum, that's all you'll ever see

Thank you for some wonderful, heartwarming storeys. However, I am sure I could find some stories of wonderful things the Catholic Church have done, but that does not change the terrible thing other have also done
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The thing is you only find what you look for, if you've already decided you're surrounded by scum, that's all you'll ever see

Thank you for some wonderful, heartwarming storeys. However, I am sure I could find some stories of wonderful things the Catholic Church have done, but that does not change the terrible thing other have also done
True, but it may add a little balance, as I said you find what you look for.
Quote by Staggerlee_BB







The thing is you only find what you look for, if you've already decided you're surrounded by scum, that's all you'll ever see

Thank you for some wonderful, heartwarming storeys. However, I am sure I could find some stories of wonderful things the Catholic Church have done, but that does not change the terrible thing other have also done
True, but it may add a little balance, as I said you find what you look for.
I know, that is why I almost did not post, but then I thought I had to as we are not all that blinkered that we can't see both sides
Why don't we all admit that this Government have fucked family values.
Never in such a small piece in time has so much gone wrong with society.
But then to some feral kids always existed....kids always killed, especially other kids.
More children are being fostered than any other time.
Familes and the moral values they hold have long gone. No incentive for marriage, no incentive for Fathers to hang around, no feral kids, knife crime is well....just not happening.
You know a lot of schools actually have police stationed there permanently!
Yes you can Google whatever you like, the facts are very simple, crime has risen, feral thugs have risen. The violence that some kids show is far worse now on a general scale.
You see no parental guidance, no parental boundaries, in fact no discipline in the home and what you end up with is a society that really does not give a fuck anymore.
People can be so blinkered as to what is happening out there, that I wonder if they ever venture out, or just sit there and read publications like the Guardian or Public Eye :sad:
Still I know the truth......" tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime " he shouted.....that is the biggest load of bollocks I have ever heard from a politician.
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Why don't we all admit that this Government have fucked family values.
Never in such a small piece in time has so much gone wrong with society.
But then to some feral kids always existed....kids always killed, especially other kids.
More children are being fostered than any other time.
Familes and the moral values they hold have long gone. No incentive for marriage, no incentive for Fathers to hang around, no feral kids, knife crime is well....just not happening.
You know a lot of schools actually have police stationed there permanently!
Yes you can Google whatever you like, the facts are very simple, crime has risen, feral thugs have risen. The violence that some kids show is far worse now on a general scale.
You see no parental guidance, no parental boundaries, in fact no discipline in the home and what you end up with is a society that really does not give a fuck anymore.
People can be so blinkered as to what is happening out there, that I wonder if they ever venture out, or just sit there and read publications like the Guardian or Public Eye :sad:
Still I know the truth......" tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime " he shouted.....that is the biggest load of bollocks I have ever heard from a politician.

Look what I googled.

A structured sample of 44 Emergency Departments (EDs) and Walk-in-Centres in England and Wales which are members of the National Violence Surveillance Network (NVSN) were included in this study of trends in serious violence.
? Anonymous prospective data relating to age, gender and attendance date of those treated for violence-related injuries were collected from these EDs.
? There were an estimated 64,000 fewer ED violence-related attendances in England and Wales in 2009 compared to 2001.
? According to these data, serious violence in England and Wales decreased by 0.4% in 2009 compared to 2008. Apart from a 7% increase in 2008 there have been decreases in every year since 2001 according to this measure.
? Overall, an estimated 350,010 people attended EDs in England and Wales for treatment following violence in 2009; 1,500 fewer than in 2008.
? Violence rates for males and females remained similar to rates in 2008.

Oooohhh, look what else I googled.

The integrity of BCS data is good; the integrity of police recorded crime
data is now amongst the best in the world.

Look what else I googled; it's an essay called 'On the Daily Mail'. Whopps, no, sorry, that's wrong, it's called 'On Bullshit'.
In the essay, Frankfurt defines a theory of bullshit, defining the concept and analyzing its applications. In particular, Frankfurt distinguishes bullshitting from lying: while the liar deliberately makes false claims, the bullshitter is simply uninterested in the truth. Bullshitters aim primarily to impress and persuade their audiences. While liars need to know the truth to better conceal it, bullshitters, interested solely in advancing their own agendas, have no use for the truth. Thus, Frankfurt claims, "...bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are,"

Clever man Mr Frankfurt.
Why not engage with the data instead of denying it Kenty?
Oh dear we do like a little Google!!


Now whilst this is 2008 crime especially teenage crime has risen even since these figures.
There are plenty out there and as someone has already stated....Google can find anything you want, in whatever capacity you want.
If anyone really believes that teenage crime is the same today as 20 years ago, then they are deluded beyond measure.
They must only watch the Simpsons on the telly.
I can Google all day long ( John wink )but I will rely on what I read and what I see in the papers and Police officers that I speak too.
John :wink:
Quote by Kaznkev
Why don't we all admit that this Government have fucked family values.
Never in such a small piece in time has so much gone wrong with society.
But then to some feral kids always existed....kids always killed, especially other kids.
More children are being fostered than any other time.
Familes and the moral values they hold have long gone. No incentive for marriage, no incentive for Fathers to hang around, no feral kids, knife crime is well....just not happening.
You know a lot of schools actually have police stationed there permanently!
Yes you can Google whatever you like, the facts are very simple, crime has risen, feral thugs have risen. The violence that some kids show is far worse now on a general scale.
You see no parental guidance, no parental boundaries, in fact no discipline in the home and what you end up with is a society that really does not give a fuck anymore.
People can be so blinkered as to what is happening out there, that I wonder if they ever venture out, or just sit there and read publications like the Guardian or Public Eye :sad:
Still I know the truth......" tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime " he shouted.....that is the biggest load of bollocks I have ever heard from a politician.

So in your home, the only one you ae qualified to comment on there may be no parental boundaries or rules,they exist in mine.
To claim that there are more children in foster care now is just ridiculous,the baby farms and waifs markets of history are well recorded,There is a beautiful piece of music,Handels Messiah,written as a fund raiser for the foundling hospital existed so that newborns could be left overnight by their mothers.
People do not change,their are good,bad, and indifferent,but a lack of knowledge of history causes a belief that the world has suddenly changed, it has not, you have just grown older.
A great artist called hogarth, one of my particular heroes,drew a scathing picture of what london was like in the 18 th century, if you cannot see advance from this i dispair.

history did not start when you were born, children are not deamons,i meet many daily who are examples to us all
Are you actually bothering to read my post or have you only seen what you want to see?
There have always been boundaries in my home, that is why my kids have never ever brought home any problems to my door.....jeeze.
Also I can comment on other homes that I know of, where there are no boundaries.
I love this site for it's electioneering strategy. :twisted:
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The thing is you only find what you look for, if you've already decided you're surrounded by scum, that's all you'll ever see

a worthy reply indeed
thank you
Quote by kentswingers777
Oh dear we do like a little Google!!


Now whilst this is 2008 crime especially teenage crime has risen even since these figures.
There are plenty out there and as someone has already stated....Google can find anything you want, in whatever capacity you want.
If anyone really believes that teenage crime is the same today as 20 years ago, then they are deluded beyond measure.
They must only watch the Simpsons on the telly.
I can Google all day long ( John wink )but I will rely on what I read and what I see in the papers and Police officers that I speak too.
John :wink:

You don't do epistemology then?
You know, studying how we know what we know?
Your first link gives a 404 error.
Your second one links to a secondary source that says
T
he figures published today show that much of the overall 17% reduction in teenage violent knife crime victims is concentrated in some of the biggest cities, including London and Birmingham. But in three out of the 10 police forces involved – Greater Manchester, Nottinghamshire and Thames Valley – violent knife crime went up during the campaign.
The Metropolitan police have had some modest success in reducing the total number of knife crime murders by three, and the West Yorkshire force succeeded in reducing the number of teenage deaths from seven to none during the campaign period. But Manchester saw the number of teenage murder victims of knife crime rise by four and the death toll on Merseyside rose by three.
The number of robberies involving a knife fell by 13% for those 19 and under but rose by 11% for those involving adults.
The campaign included the extensive use of knife arches and wands at pubs, train, tube and bus stations, after-school police patrols and stop-and-search campaigns. More than 250,000 searches yielded 5,469 knives and other weapons.
Home Office statisticians said the overall findings were encouraging, suggesting fewer youngsters were becoming victims. "While caution must be applied when interpreting these trends, TKAP may have contributed to a decline in some measures and persisting reductions in others," said the official research report.

But you and your anecdotal accounts of what people tell you know best....
Yes I must say that I do prefer the Kantian synthesis of rationalism and empiricism.
Makes so much more sense............don't you think?
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Yes I must say that I do prefer the Kantian synthesis of rationalism and empiricism.
Makes so much more sense............don't you think?

Yet you eschew empirical evidence in favour of anecdote, and have an irrational obsession with Muslims...
I'm confused...
Bring back the 'Stocks' as a punishment for anti social behaviour.
"Roll up, Roll up. Get your Rotten Tomatoes here for a Quid"
Being publicly humilliated with a session in the Stocks would hurt far more than a fine.
It would be a great fund raiser too.
Just realized that that only resurrecting the Stocks lacks ambition as there are plenty of medieval deterrents we could make use of;

:twisted:
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Yes I must say that I do prefer the Kantian synthesis of rationalism and empiricism.
Makes so much more sense............don't you think?

Yet you eschew empirical evidence in favour of anecdote, and have an irrational obsession with Muslims...
I'm confused...
:laughabove::laughabove:
That's the intention.
Quote by kentswingers777
Yes I must say that I do prefer the Kantian synthesis of rationalism and empiricism.
Makes so much more sense............don't you think?

Yet you eschew empirical evidence in favour of anecdote, and have an irrational obsession with Muslims...
I'm confused...
:laughabove::laughabove:
That's the intention.
That I should be confused as to whether you're a troll or something worse?
Not a desirable ambition in life, I'd have thought
I don't know..........it keeps me amused. wink
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Are you actually bothering to read my post or have you only seen what you want to see?

:shock: rotflmao OMG pot and kettle moment!
And Kaz, well said :thumbup:
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The thing is you only find what you look for, if you've already decided you're surrounded by scum, that's all you'll ever see

Very true :thumbup:
FB...as you are a teacher can you sympathise at all with this guy?
Has your school had to deal with a pupil who was violent towards a member of staff and then expelled, only to be returned to that school?
I am interested.
Quote by kentswingers777
FB...as you are a teacher can you sympathise at all with this guy?
Has your school had to deal with a pupil who was violent towards a member of staff and then expelled, only to be returned to that school?
I am interested.

You have a PM.
Thankyou FB xx
Quote by Rob_hood
Bring back the 'Stocks' as a punishment for anti social behaviour.
"Roll up, Roll up. Get your Rotten Tomatoes here for a Quid"
Being publicly humilliated with a session in the Stocks would hurt far more than a fine.
It would be a great fund raiser too.
Just realized that that only resurrecting the Stocks lacks ambition as there are plenty of medieval deterrents we could make use of;

:twisted:

Where do we sign up for this public humilliation? smackbottom