published notes
have showed she lied about the pit closures during the mining strike !! she has secret talks and asked for notes not to be taken !!
Published note
have shown She withheld information about the Hillsborough tragedy as she wanted the people of Liverpool to be blamed rather than the police,
It seems now it is to come to light that she withheld information about offences, by her ministers.
If proven as I am sure it will be, will people finally see her for the lying, evil bitch she undoubtedly was.
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Surely a stake through the heart would have been the better option?
Which 'long lasting peace' was that dean?
And as for the claims by Gilberthorpe about Mrs T in the red top.. well,words fail me. All the people mentioned are dead so he is unable to be taken to task in libel hearings. He's just nothing more than a fantasist with absolutely no real evidence to back up his claims.
Strange you should take notice of a conservative though.
Lying, cheating, self serving communists are your usual diet :grin:
And as for the claims by Gilberthorpe about Mrs T in the red top.. well,words fail me. All the people mentioned are dead so he is unable to be taken to task in libel hearings. He's just nothing more than a fantasist with absolutely no real evidence to back up his claims.
Strange you should take notice of a conservative though.
Lying, cheating, self serving communists are your usual diet :grin:
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Which 'long lasting peace' was that dean?
And as for the claims by Gilberthorpe about Mrs T in the red top.. well,words fail me. All the people mentioned are dead so he is unable to be taken to task in libel hearings. He's just nothing more than a fantasist with absolutely no real evidence to back up his claims.
Strange you should take notice of a conservative though.
Lying, cheating, self serving communists are your usual diet :grin:
GNV...they said same about Saville case, that he was dead etc.....Do you deny those allegations now and think they should not have been heard, ; swept under the carpet. These allegations of a ring that was around, it seems at about the same time in Westminster, are extremely important, and should be heard. This has all come out not because of a Conservative, but because of one victim that is linked into the Saville case. Tom Watson, one excellent MP, who is like a dog with a bone in these cases ( remembering he was the one that helped expose the phone hacking scandal) is the one who is asking the right questions, of the right people. Personally if she is been shown to have known of ring and decided to sweep it under the carpet, and walk away, then like all others involved in this, she should be stripped of any honours ever bestowed upon her.
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Which 'long lasting peace' was that dean?
And as for the claims by Gilberthorpe about Mrs T in the red top.. well,words fail me. All the people mentioned are dead so he is unable to be taken to task in libel hearings. He's just nothing more than a fantasist with absolutely no real evidence to back up his claims.
Strange you should take notice of a conservative though.
Lying, cheating, self serving communists are your usual diet :grin:
GNV...they said same about Saville case, that he was dead etc.....Do you deny those allegations now and think they should not have been heard, ; swept under the carpet. These allegations of a ring that was around, it seems at about the same time in Westminster, are extremely important, and should be heard. This has all come out not because of a Conservative, but because of one victim that is linked into the Saville case. Tom Watson, one excellent MP, who is like a dog with a bone in these cases ( remembering he was the one that helped expose the phone hacking scandal) is the one who is asking the right questions, of the right people. Personally if she is been shown to have known of ring and decided to sweep it under the carpet, and walk away, then like all others involved in this, she should be stripped of any honours ever bestowed upon her.
If you honestly believe that a post war Prime Minister is fed anything other than what the 'machine' want's the Premier to know, then you are more naïve than I could possibly have given you credit for.
Some of this is recently chronicled in the recent comments by Lord Brittan. He said that he never met anyone without his Permanent Secretary present and dossiers such as he was accused of suppressing would be 'dealt' with by the Civil Service machine of Government. I can well believe it.
See, it is not the politicians per-se who run the Country but the unelected, unaccountable senior cadre of civil servants.
It is very rare that senior politicians are ever fully informed about anything. My own MP, with whom I was well acquainted, was appointed a junior minister in the early years of the Thatcher administration. His personal stories to me about life in one of the great departments of State were fascinating. Being met at the door of his department by a civil servant, escorted to his desk. His "in' tray never being allowed to be empty. Being escorted to the toilet etc etc.
The sitcom "Yes Minister" was never far from the truth.
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well...for me Toots...doing a deal to try a gain a long lasting peace.....is somewhat different from hiding what you knew about was going one about child abuse, because it was within your cabinet and would look bad on you !!
Ahh, so it's not the level of lies/mistruths/covers ups but more on the content of them and what is/is not acceptable to you.
Thanks for the clarification.
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This has all come out not because of a Conservative, but because of one victim that is linked into the Saville case.
Sorry dean, the revelations about Mrs T cannot be attributed to Watson. They are from a 'left on the shelf' conservative as I said earlier in the thread.
Don't you take the red tops to the bog with you when you go for a dump
For reference:
No mention of Watson there....
Hell hath no fury like a tory toff scorned eh? :grin:
gnv...firstly you say the likes of the prime minister never gets to hear these things.....then you post a link which shows she was personally handed a dossier showing these !!! The case is coming to light actually from the Saville case where one person is saying that ministers were at the same party. And yes its Tom Watson that is now campaigning for this. It is him that asked for the file, that has now mysteriously gone missing !!!
Toots....deceptions and deals were undoubtedly done to broker a Northern Ireland deal. Not ideal, and the release or non conviction of such people must rankle hard with the families of those injured or killed. However we must counter this with the amount of people not injured or killed because we now have peace in Northern Ireland. If I was going to pick on Blair for anything I would rather look at what he really knew about the weapons of mass destruction or lack of, before the Iraq war. I think he has more to answer for....for the maybe needless loss of British soldiers in a war that wasn't ours.
However I say again....withholding information, or trying to sweep under the carpet anything known about a ring, has no justification whatsoever for me. It seems it was rife at the time, and these people were all so drunk on power, that they seemingly thought they were un-touchable. And until now they were. They and we deserve the truth.
Toots....deceptions and deals were undoubtedly done to broker a Northern Ireland deal. Not ideal, and the release or non conviction of such people must rankle hard with the families of those injured or killed. However we must counter this with the amount of people not injured or killed because we now have peace in Northern Ireland. If I was going to pick on Blair for anything I would rather look at what he really knew about the weapons of mass destruction or lack of, before the Iraq war. I think he has more to answer for....for the maybe needless loss of British soldiers in a war that wasn't ours.
However I say again....withholding information, or trying to sweep under the carpet anything known about a ring, has no justification whatsoever for me. It seems it was rife at the time, and these people were all so drunk on power, that they seemingly thought they were un-touchable. And until now they were. They and we deserve the truth.
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Toots....deceptions and deals were undoubtedly done to broker a Northern Ireland deal. Not ideal, and the release or non conviction of such people must rankle hard with the families of those injured or killed. However we must counter this with the amount of people not injured or killed because we now have peace in Northern Ireland. If I was going to pick on Blair for anything I would rather look at what he really knew about the weapons of mass destruction or lack of, before the Iraq war. I think he has more to answer for....for the maybe needless loss of British soldiers in a war that wasn't ours.
However I say again....withholding information, or trying to sweep under the carpet anything known about a ring, has no justification whatsoever for me. It seems it was rife at the time, and these people were all so drunk on power, that they seemingly thought they were un-touchable. And until now they were. They and we deserve the truth.
What about this one then
SFO losing a bajillion papers, Blair calling time on the investigation on the grounds of 'Public Interest'
and you almost skip on by the possible crimes of Blair
'I think he has more to answer for....for the maybe needless loss of British soldiers in a war that wasn't ours.'
Did you vote for him?
Toots....No never voted for him.....but yes I did vote for local labour MP. So you can say I helped elect him...and yes twice !!! In this case we see Serious Fraud Squad lose these documents...I am guessing this is actually the Police ....not a political party or government !!! As I have stated I do think Tony Blair has a lot to answer for about the war in Iraq. I think a lot of needless lives were lost .
However .... this is just a sideline. this is not what I am asking or are you saying because Blair may of lied about what her knew of weapons and deals....it makes hiding away crimes and details of a ring acceptable !!!!
Simply answer me this.....if and big if at this point....it is proven Mrs thatcher knew about this ring, operating in Westminster, and she choose to hide, sweep under the carpet, and ignore it because, high ranking members of her cabinet were involved, what would you think of her....and do you think any of the awards given should be removed ?
As I say..this is just an allegation as yet.....but notes have already proved she blatently lied over miners strike and Hillsborough ....so don't hold your breath for long !!!
However .... this is just a sideline. this is not what I am asking or are you saying because Blair may of lied about what her knew of weapons and deals....it makes hiding away crimes and details of a ring acceptable !!!!
Simply answer me this.....if and big if at this point....it is proven Mrs thatcher knew about this ring, operating in Westminster, and she choose to hide, sweep under the carpet, and ignore it because, high ranking members of her cabinet were involved, what would you think of her....and do you think any of the awards given should be removed ?
As I say..this is just an allegation as yet.....but notes have already proved she blatently lied over miners strike and Hillsborough ....so don't hold your breath for long !!!
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However .... this is just a sideline. this is not what I am asking or are you saying because Blair may of lied about what her knew of weapons and deals....it makes hiding away crimes and details of a ring acceptable !!!!
It is relevant though, absolute power corrupts absolutely...
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Simply answer me this.....if and big if at this point....it is proven Mrs thatcher knew about this ring, operating in Westminster, and she choose to hide, sweep under the carpet, and ignore it because, high ranking members of her cabinet were involved, what would you think of her....and do you think any of the awards given should be removed ?
Well 'if' she did she would most certainly not be the only one in Westminster but as GnV has alluded to the Prime Minister is the figurehead/voice of the Govt but almost certainly not the driving force, she will have been advised as to what was the best way forward, the same as when she was advised to step down as Prime Minster.
As for my thoughts on Mrs T, well, as she isn't the perpetrator of the crime(s) now being alleged (well at least I don't think she was) then my opinion of the lady remains the same, she was flipping excellent and of for sure she messed stuff up but that pretty much comes with the turf. Someone needed to stand up to the miscreants known loosely as the Unions ( Scargill et al )
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then you post a link which shows she was personally handed a dossier showing these !!!
Proof that she was personally handed this dossier? His word against hers. Oh yes, she can't defend herself can she, she's dead :doh:
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the miscreants known loosely as the Unions ( Scargill et al )
:scared:
FFS Toots, don't start him on that one again....
I'm outa here
I am shocked.....to be honest in total misbelief....that you are willing to condone anyone that would hide, and ignore abuse. Yes only allegation at this point....but you say if proven you would not care !! You have read the links....the allegation is that she knew....GNV posted a link from a fellow aide that handed her personally a 20 page dossier. It is obvious that if it had been shown at the time, her government would of collapsed ..and that's why she hid it.
No excuse for child abuse.....no excuse for ignoring it.
No excuse for child abuse.....no excuse for ignoring it.
Wasn't a very big dossier then, only 20 pages!
It could just have equally been her Christmas Card list for that year. Easy to make these allegations some years later when the facts can't be verified.
Have you ever watched the Queen accept flowers at an event? They are immediately handed back to a 'flunky' (often a Policewoman) to deal with. Yeah, like she's going to stand and read a file of 20 pages whilst she is at some event or other. Her 'bag carrier' would have taken it and she may never have seen the contents.
Who knows? The poor woman is dead - just like you are dead in the water by demanding her titles are handed back.
By the way, did you know that life peerages die with demise of the holder?
It could just have equally been her Christmas Card list for that year. Easy to make these allegations some years later when the facts can't be verified.
Have you ever watched the Queen accept flowers at an event? They are immediately handed back to a 'flunky' (often a Policewoman) to deal with. Yeah, like she's going to stand and read a file of 20 pages whilst she is at some event or other. Her 'bag carrier' would have taken it and she may never have seen the contents.
Who knows? The poor woman is dead - just like you are dead in the water by demanding her titles are handed back.
By the way, did you know that life peerages die with demise of the holder?
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Jimmy saville is dead....Cyril Smith is dead........so you think we should just forget about what they did !!
I really can't believe people can talk about child abuse as if it didn't matter.
FFS dean, calm down!
No-one is talking about child abuse as if it didn't matter!!!
What is happening now is a more pragmatic approach to ensuring it never happens again. That is what is important.
What is disgraceful is the way the Labour Party have been briefing against Baroness Butler-Sloss - the most qualified of all to conduct an enquiry. Your Mr Tom Watson of course leads the fray by welcoming her resignation. A truly sad indictment of his genre.
I wonder if there are skeletons in his wardrobe and looks to see a lesser person appointed who might not go so deep....
Tom Watson is a tireless campaigner.....he fought against many obstacles put in his way, for the enquiry into telephone hacking.
You may not like his politics.....but you can fault his effort and commitment to the truth.
I have simply asked what people will think IF..and as I keep saying only an IF at this time...it is shown Mrs Thatcher knew and brushed under the carpet, abuse....what would your view of her be.
You seem to be saying...it doesn't matter now...she is dead...so just leave it alone. Well I for one will be glad to see the truth come out, whatever it says.
You may not like his politics.....but you can fault his effort and commitment to the truth.
I have simply asked what people will think IF..and as I keep saying only an IF at this time...it is shown Mrs Thatcher knew and brushed under the carpet, abuse....what would your view of her be.
You seem to be saying...it doesn't matter now...she is dead...so just leave it alone. Well I for one will be glad to see the truth come out, whatever it says.
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Tom Watson is a tireless campaigner.....he fought against many obstacles put in his way, for the enquiry into telephone hacking.
You may not like his politics.....but you can fault his effort and commitment to the truth.
I have simply asked what people will think IF..and as I keep saying only an IF at this time...it is shown Mrs Thatcher knew and brushed under the carpet, abuse....what would your view of her be.
You seem to be saying...it doesn't matter now...she is dead...so just leave it alone. Well I for one will be glad to see the truth come out, whatever it says.
Then, IF that is so important to you, why you do seemingly defend Tom Watson dissing Baroness Butler-Sloss - the person most qualified in the whole of the UK to conduct this enquiry?
Who would you prefer? Bliar? Mandelson (I think both are a bit busy at the moment making loadsa money
) Surely not Scargill as he is so perfect... Prescott (Oh, he's already tainted with pas normale sexual predelictions isn't he)What I am saying, at the risk of repeating myself, is that importance must surely be attached to making sure it doesn't happen again. The good and decent Baroness would have seen to that but your hero Tom Watson has other agenda...
I don't rate the guy at all... a self serving hypocrite as much as the rest of them. That view has nothing to do with his politics, just him as a person. As once was said by Widdecombe about Michael Howard, he has something of the night about him...
So Thatcher didn't do something about it, perhaps as some have suggested it was kept from her, perhaps she was too busy dealing with other rogues like Scargill, a man who continues to live off the benefits given to him by the miners he cheated.
Nobody is guilt free, you have to measure their failings with their achievements, I can think of many failings of the late Mrs T and I can think of many achievements too, I can't think of any achievements of Mr Scargill who you hold in such high esteem, perhaps if the Miners had, had a better and more honest leader they would have got a better deal.
Nobody is guilt free, you have to measure their failings with their achievements, I can think of many failings of the late Mrs T and I can think of many achievements too, I can't think of any achievements of Mr Scargill who you hold in such high esteem, perhaps if the Miners had, had a better and more honest leader they would have got a better deal.
Sexlightened
Jesus ... can't believe the "arguments" here trying to deflect away from the original question.
If She knew ... and of course I think she knew, her Premiership was one based on a dictatorial nature where she worked tirelessly, then of course she should be found guilty of guilt by association.
To hide something of this magnitude, or turn a blind eye to it for fear of how it would look adds to the crime.
I feel just like the BBC both Thatcher and other politicians knew of these rumours and didn't give a rats arse about the victims ... and as said Power does funny things
I look forward to the lies coming out and history judging Thatcher for what she did both good and bad and hopefully some kind of justice being delivered to the victims if it is proved that my hunch is found to be true
If She knew ... and of course I think she knew, her Premiership was one based on a dictatorial nature where she worked tirelessly, then of course she should be found guilty of guilt by association.
To hide something of this magnitude, or turn a blind eye to it for fear of how it would look adds to the crime.
I feel just like the BBC both Thatcher and other politicians knew of these rumours and didn't give a rats arse about the victims ... and as said Power does funny things
I look forward to the lies coming out and history judging Thatcher for what she did both good and bad and hopefully some kind of justice being delivered to the victims if it is proved that my hunch is found to be true
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Jesus ... can't believe the "arguments" here trying to deflect away from the original question.
If She knew ... and of course I think she knew, her Premiership was one based on a dictatorial nature where she worked tirelessly, then of course she should be found guilty of guilt by association.
To hide something of this magnitude, or turn a blind eye to it for fear of how it would look adds to the crime.
I feel just like the BBC both Thatcher and other politicians knew of these rumours and didn't give a rats arse about the victims ... and as said Power does funny things
I look forward to the lies coming out and history judging Thatcher for what she did both good and bad and hopefully some kind of justice being delivered to the victims if it is proved that my hunch is found to be true
It won't be. Of that you can be absolutely certain.
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So Thatcher didn't do something about it, perhaps as some have suggested it was kept from her, perhaps she was too busy dealing with other rogues like Scargill, a man who continues to live off the benefits given to him by the miners he cheated.
Nobody is guilt free, you have to measure their failings with their achievements, I can think of many failings of the late Mrs T and I can think of many achievements too, I can't think of any achievements of Mr Scargill who you hold in such high esteem, perhaps if the Miners had, had a better and more honest leader they would have got a better deal.
so you think dealing with Scargill, and the miners is more important than stopping abuse !!!
Just for the record Scargill warned more than 50 pits were on a hit list..he told the truth. Thatcher said no such list existed and was a load of scaremongering..... parliamentary records now show she was a bare faced liar. She had meeting with Mr McGregor, the then chairman of NCB...and indeed they drew up a list of 52 pits to be closed. I am no fan of Scargill but what he said was the truth...it seems a damn sight more honest than Thatcher !!
But once again a total smoke screen.....IF...and once again I state only allegation at this stage...but IF she is shown to have known about abuse, and she turned a blind eye, are you seriously saying she was still a good leader !!! Jimmy Saville raised millions for charity....but knowing what we all know now....do you still think his achievements there outweigh his abuse of children ?
Once again I say I am shocked and saddened that anyone is willing to accept ( and that's what you are doing by turning a blind eye ) abuse.
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I am shocked.....to be honest in total misbelief.
No excuse for child abuse.....no excuse for ignoring it
And yet you voted for a party whose leader (Blair) in your own words
' As I have stated I do think Tony Blair has a lot to answer for about the war in Iraq. I think a lot of needless lives were lost'
Where exactly do you stand cos i can't work it out?
One rule for one another rule for others?
Master of Sex
You will never ever get Thatcher lovers to admit what she was really like, it's too uncomfortable. Fortunately the rest of us could see it.
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I am shocked.....to be honest in total misbelief.
No excuse for child abuse.....no excuse for ignoring it
And yet you voted for a party whose leader (Blair) in your own words
' As I have stated I do think Tony Blair has a lot to answer for about the war in Iraq. I think a lot of needless lives were lost'
Where exactly do you stand cos i can't work it out?
One rule for one another rule for others?
Quite clear....Toots I voted for the Labour party....which had Blair at its helm....I do believe with one of the largest majority ever...so I was certainly not alone. Just for your information, I don't have a crystal ball, and didn't know there would be the Iraq war at that point !!!! I have quite clearly stated above, that he will indeed have a lot to answer for. And when full facts of meeting are published, history may well see him as a leader that took us into a un-necessary war. Clear enough by me. Not making any excuses for his actions !!
Now perhaps you would like to make it clear what your view of Mrs Thatcher will be IF she is shown to have known about abuse and did nothing about it. And what's more swept in under the carpet for her own power greedy ends. History I think will soon be re-written...and she can be filed away with Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris and alike. Just so that your clear on this....I think there is no excuse for child abuse, and there is no excuse for anyone that stands by and allows it to happen.
Clear enough now !!!!
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Quite clear....Toots I voted for the Labour party....which had Blair at its helm....I do believe with one of the largest majority ever...so I was certainly not alone. Just for your information, I don't have a crystal ball, and didn't know there would be the Iraq war at that point !!!! I have quite clearly stated above, that he will indeed have a lot to answer for. And when full facts of meeting are published, history may well see him as a leader that took us into a un-necessary war. Clear enough by me. Not making any excuses for his actions !!
Interesting allegiance you have there Dean and a nice play on the timeline, presumably you will have also voted for him ( via your labour vote ) in 2005 at which point it had already been established there were no WMD ( the basis on why the UK went to war ) ? So in essence by voting as you did you were almost disregarding the needless lives lost in Iraq, lives lost because Blair had misled the UK into believing we were at risk from Saddam?
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Now perhaps you would like to make it clear what your view of Mrs Thatcher will be IF she is shown to have known about abuse and did nothing about it. And what's more swept in under the carpet for her own power greedy ends. History I think will soon be re-written...and she can be filed away with Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris and alike. Just so that your clear on this....I think there is no excuse for child abuse, and there is no excuse for anyone that stands by and allows it to happen.
Clear enough now !!!!
You're obviously no fan of Mrs T but in your thirst to see the lady's place in history as one of the finest post war leaders the UK has seen all but erased from the annals of the history books you seem almost dismissive of the lies/mistruths that Blair may have told and which undoubtedly led to many people losing their lives such as soldiers/Iraq citizens/women & children... But you instead seem hung up on the notion that Mrs T may' have been incorrectly advised as to how to proceed when dealing with the possible indiscretions of some on her team ( as yet no allegations have been made ( at least not currently in the Public domain).
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Quite clear....Toots I voted for the Labour party....which had Blair at its helm....I do believe with one of the largest majority ever...so I was certainly not alone. Just for your information, I don't have a crystal ball, and didn't know there would be the Iraq war at that point !!!! I have quite clearly stated above, that he will indeed have a lot to answer for. And when full facts of meeting are published, history may well see him as a leader that took us into a un-necessary war. Clear enough by me. Not making any excuses for his actions !!
Interesting allegiance you have there Dean and a nice play on the timeline, presumably you will have also voted for him ( via your labour vote ) in 2005 at which point it had already been established there were no WMD ( the basis on why the UK went to war ) ? So in essence by voting as you did you were almost disregarding the needless lives lost in Iraq, lives lost because Blair had misled the UK into believing we were at risk from Saddam?
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Now perhaps you would like to make it clear what your view of Mrs Thatcher will be IF she is shown to have known about abuse and did nothing about it. And what's more swept in under the carpet for her own power greedy ends. History I think will soon be re-written...and she can be filed away with Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris and alike. Just so that your clear on this....I think there is no excuse for child abuse, and there is no excuse for anyone that stands by and allows it to happen.
Clear enough now !!!!
You're obviously no fan of Mrs T but in your thirst to see the lady's place in history as one of the finest post war leaders the UK has seen all but erased from the annals of the history books you seem almost dismissive of the lies/mistruths that Blair may have told and which undoubtedly led to many people losing their lives such as soldiers/Iraq citizens/women & children... But you instead seem hung up on the notion that Mrs T may' have been incorrectly advised as to how to proceed when dealing with the possible indiscretions of some on her team ( as yet no allegations have been made ( at least not currently in the Public domain).
So you still won't answer the question......You seem unable to say if found guilty you would condemn her. It seems as if you would condone her actions !!!
Mrs Thatcher is clearly not seen as a great leader at all.....Thanks to the parliamentary notes, which have been published she has been shown to have deliberately and blatantly lie. She has been shown to be totally power mad, and would do anything and stab anyone in the back in the process to get what she wanted. If as to be honest is more than likely, she is shown to simply swept abuse, under the carpet, because it would of reflected bad on her, as they were members...high ranking members, of her cabinet by all accounts, then she indeed deserves her place in history alongside Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris....
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and there is no excuse for anyone that stands by and allows it to happen.
So then, why no condemnation from you about for Gilberthorpe who said he recruited underage boys for sex and stood by, watched them being abused AND DID NOTHING!
There is no credible evidence from this self confessed which links Mrs T to the horrors of this scandal other than he, allegedly, handed her a multi-page dossier which no-one else seems to know about. He was asked if there was any evidence and he effectively said there was not.
Is it just faintly possible that the reason HE has not been prosecuted is that there is NOT A SHRED of evidence to back up this fantasist's claims that Mrs Thatcher was in any way involved, informed or ever aware of the claims he says he made.
Whether the good Baroness ever cast eyes on the letter remains uncertain. A Civil Servant allegedly did (according to the discredited Gilberthorpe) and he also claims he held a meeting with William Hague but William denies a meeting of such substance ever taking place.
So then dean, evidence, not half brained suppositions based on your obvious dislike for the dear Lady.
As I said earlier and will repeat again (since you need it about 3 times before the penny drops) no-one is talking about child abuse as if it didn't matter so stop shedding those crocodile tears and get real!
What is happening now is a more pragmatic approach to ensuring it never happens again.
Both YOU and Tom Watson may want the good Baroness' head on a pike on the railings of the Palace of Westminster BUT, read my lips...
IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!
She is NOT implicated, she never was and it is only in the mind of cretins and chancers that there is any case to answer.
End of.
BTW Your quote "She has been shown to be totally power mad, and would do anything and stab anyone in the back in the process to get what she wanted."
I read recently that Bliar was described as being somewhat 'messianic' when in power. Gordon Brown described a lifelong local Labour voter in somewhat than less endearing terms.
Maybe it just comes with the job...
