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Quote by starlightcouple
You really need to read the context of my reply and who it was aimed at. You really need to get out a bit more, as since being single you seem to wander from one internet chat room to another. Get yourself dsown the pub for a pint or two as sitting alone night after night is not good for you.

FFS....
How much more personal do want to get !!!!
Quote by star
It is not a far right party, it's not centre-right; its mainstream right is how many people describe it.

You make this up as you go along, right?
rotflmao
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Now I am sorry but I do not want to answer or respond to any more of your replies, you wanna chat put it in a pm.

For someone who apparently detests cricket, you certainly like to pick up your stumps and take your bat home rotflmao
A wonderful cricketing term :giggle:
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Now I am sorry but I do not want to answer or respond to any more of your replies, you wanna chat put it in a pm.

For someone who apparently detests cricket, you certainly like to pick up your stumps and take your bat home rotflmao
A wonderful cricketing term :giggle:
Slightly different to when he`s bullying other people into answering his questions rolleyes
And, judging by another members comment in this thread, just a tad too close for comfort sometimes at unintended 'victims'.
With over 2000 posts he should know better by now...
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Against one tiny part of their policy which is an attack on immigration. Are you willing to compromise the things that are really important to you in order to see an attack on immigrants who have no effect on your day to day life at all?

Seems I am TH. Sorry if that does not fit with others on here but tough basically.
Quote by Too Hot
It just seems strange to me (and others) that you will complain about right wing Tory policies and yet support an extreme right wing party that is essentially a party of extreme Tories. It doesn't add up Star that's all. You have empathy with the unemployed and welfare beneficiaries because you have been there and experienced it but you are willing to put that on one side to see an attack on something that has no effect on you?

Total crap and you know it. What a lot of scaremongering nonsense you talk at times TH. ' Extreme right wing ' ?? Next you will be saying they are linked to the Klu Klux Klan. They want to stop further immigration in the UK, many many people it is about time it was. When I read things you write on here I ask the question why are you still living here? In my eyes you dislike the people here and the benefit scroungers, as you stroll around in your 4x4 huffing and puffing. innocent
No effect on me? Speak for yourself. How can the introduction of over 6 million immigrants not have an effect on people living in the UK? They might not have any effect on people with money like yourself, but they sure as hell do impact on mine and others lives from where I live.
Does that make me a racist bigot then TH?? Oh dear. :sad: I shall just have to live with that fact then.
Use proper negotiating skills TH, and not Tory scaremongering tactics to get people to fall into line with your myths with regards to UKIP. :doh:
Why don't you just have the guts and just admit it is their immigration policies that stick in your throat, and stop pretending it's other things to try and confuse others. There were reasons why they pushed the Tories into second place, and there is you saying people are too thick to vote on Europe. Oh no they are much cleverer than that, as Thursdays by election has proved. Best get packing TH as UKIP are on the rise and you know it. Cameron ain't getting that majority in 2015 matey, maybe a Labour/ UKIP party in next. What a nightmare eh TH? I know a great place to get cheap suitcases from if your interested.
Well there it is ! The truth at last and straight from the horses mouth.
Just a bit of clarification needed.....where do you put UKIP in the political spectrum Star ?
You don`t see them as a far right party so I`d love to know where you think they stand.
Star - in all seriousness. Do you not realise that UKIP are disaffected Tories who think the conservatives have become a centre party and UKIP is a step to the right of traditional conservative values?
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Star - in all seriousness. Do you not realise that UKIP are disaffected Tories who think the conservatives have become a centre party and UKIP is a step to the right of traditional conservative values?

I am fully aware TH that UKIP is a right wing party, but not extreme right wing so as to put them in the same context as the BNP or the EDF. But if course there are always wankers out there who will accuse anyone of being a racist bigot just for the mere mention of immigration.
Well I will vote for them because they want us out of Europe, and they want a stop to immigration.....gets my vote. People want to label me with racist or bigot then I really don't give a flying fuck as Ben would have said. Very easy to be outspoken and act hard on a internet forum, the thing is I would have the balls to say to anyone's face what I say on here.
Many experts believe that the only reason Cameron said he was going to give us the referendum on Europe, was he thought it would stop people from voting UKIP. Will if the last by election is anything to go by it most certainly has backfired on him.
I believe we already have too many immigrants here already...6 million and counting. Do you believe this country can sustain 70 million plus people TH?
GnV can mock all he likes but he certainly has no idea what it is now like to live in an inner city in the UK, but why would he say any thing about foreigners in the UK, as he is one in France.
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Star - in all seriousness. Do you not realise that UKIP are disaffected Tories who think the conservatives have become a centre party and UKIP is a step to the right of traditional conservative values?

I am fully aware TH that UKIP is a right wing party, but not extreme right wing so as to put them in the same context as the BNP or the EDF. But if course there are always tits out there who will accuse anyone of being a racist bigot just for the mere mention of immigration.
Well I will vote for them because they want us out of Europe, and they want a stop to immigration.....gets my vote. People want to label me with racist or bigot then I really don't give a flying fuck as Ben would have said. Very easy to be outspoken and act hard on a internet forum, the thing is I would have the balls to say to anyone's face what I say on here, those are my beliefs and I am certainly not ashamed of any of them .
Many experts believe that the only reason Cameron said he was going to give us the referendum on Europe, was he thought it would stop people from voting UKIP. Will if the last by election is anything to go by it most certainly has backfired on him.
I believe we already have too many immigrants here already...6 million and counting. Do you believe this country can sustain 70 million plus people TH?
GnV can mock all he likes but he certainly has no idea what it is now like to live in an inner city in the UK, but why would he say any thing about foreigners in the UK, as he is one in France.
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GnV can mock all he likes but he certainly has no idea what it is now like to live in an inner city in the UK, but why would he say any thing about foreigners in the UK, as he is one in France.

Well, that's the difference between us star.
I'm not a "foreigner' in France as you put it, I'm the holder of a European passport which provides entitlement to free passage and settlement anywhere in the Community.
Except that, the only place where any restriction on movement takes place, is when I return to the UK where I was born loon
Quote by starlightcouple

Star - in all seriousness. Do you not realise that UKIP are disaffected Tories who think the conservatives have become a centre party and UKIP is a step to the right of traditional conservative values?

I am fully aware TH that UKIP is a right wing party, but not extreme right wing so as to put them in the same context as the BNP or the EDF. But if course there are always tits out there who will accuse anyone of being a racist bigot just for the mere mention of immigration.
Well I will vote for them because they want us out of Europe, and they want a stop to immigration.....gets my vote. People want to label me with racist or bigot then I really don't give a flying fuck as Ben would have said. Very easy to be outspoken and act hard on a internet forum, the thing is I would have the balls to say to anyone's face what I say on here, those are my beliefs and I am certainly not ashamed of any of them .
Many experts believe that the only reason Cameron said he was going to give us the referendum on Europe, was he thought it would stop people from voting UKIP. Will if the last by election is anything to go by it most certainly has backfired on him.
I believe we already have too many immigrants here already...6 million and counting. Do you believe this country can sustain 70 million plus people TH?
GnV can mock all he likes but he certainly has no idea what it is now like to live in an inner city in the UK, but why would he say any thing about foreigners in the UK, as he is one in France.
So although you hate the right wing Tory policies you will put up with a political party that is even more right wing and populated with extreme ex Tories just to see the immigrant "problem" resolved - and will put up with policies even more divisive and extreme than the Tory policies you so despise?
I am not having a go at you here Star, I am just genuinely surprised that you will tolerate enhanced Tory policies that will directly affect you personally in order to resolve a "problem" that does not directly affect you personally. Can you not see that a party of disaffected Tories are naturally going to enhance and strengthen all of the Tory policies you so despise so much?
The bedroom tax will work when you talk about revenue
It will work because Councils will be able to pay less in housing benefit to those who have a spare bedroom and fall under the rules for example it is a Council House.
Of course the greater part of it working will come from the extra revenue the Government will get when people have to pay more of the rent themselves.
The new law WILL NOT work if everyone moves into smaller accommodation, ie give the Government what they say the want not what they really want.
If they all apply to move into smaller houses the councils will spend a fortune in administering the applications, finding suitable smaller properties, obtaining more suitable properties, moving families into the bigger accommodation they need whilst they are moving the others into the smaller properties.
Paying more to social services to pay for the increase in their costs finding foster homes as those who currently foster or are considering it as they will no longer have the spare rooms to give to foster children.
The cost of bringing recently vacated properties back up to Council rulings (not necessarily because they are in poor condition but because a property vacated cannot keep the fitted kitchen the tennants had fitted it has to be a council kitchen/bedroom/windows/beige walls etc, it cannot have the lovely wallpaper left in place or the nice new doors that the tennants bought as so many have improved their council properties over the years)
It is at the end of the day simply a stealth tax like so many others.
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It is at the end of the day simply a stealth tax like so many others

So much for democracy eh?
The only difference is the population voted them in....
(See my other thread)
Read the other thread about democracy and dictatorship for my views on that one wink
Quote by GnV
I'm not a "foreigner' in France as you put it, I'm the holder of a European passport which provides entitlement to free passage and settlement anywhere in the Community.

I am sure the French see it that way as well.
They do star.
Only the arrogant Brits who demand the French speak English to them get treated badly here...
Your not a Brit in France, France is just a state within the European Community, you are a resident of the state of France just like all the others in that state are, just as those residing in the State of the United Kingdom are residents of that state, we are no longer English, Welsh, Scottish, Indian, Pakistani, Lithuanian, Polish, French, German or anything else as a Nation we here are Europeans from the state of the United Kindom with different ancesteral heritages.
Not what I want to be but what I have to accept I am. The French gave up their rights to class you as anything but a member of the EU state of France just as we here gave up our right to class any EU state member as anything but a member of our state on arrival.
The sooner EU members realise that the better it will be.
You do not have to learn or speak French in the same way nobody living in this Country has to learn English, true it may make it easier to find employment and get on with life but it is not a requirement of EU law.
I believe it respectfull when living in another EU state to learn that language and for all states to try to speak to others in their own states language, so yes everyone residing in France should try to speak to people in their own language just as those living in the EU state of the United Kingdom should, but in the real world it would be difficult to learn so many languages.
That is so true Jed.
There is, however, one more thing to add about France that doesn't exist in the UK. It's the Constitution of the 5th Republic, penned by CdG.
The second article of the 5th Republic of France states, amongst other things, 'the language of France is French'.
So, if you want to visit any of the (many) Government departments in any of the regions, you can expect to be met with blank faces if you insist on speaking anything other than French (and that includes the French trying it on with Breton, langue d'oc or any of the other previously used regional dialects). Try telling that to the Welsh!
And that, despite the fact that the functionary might speak perfect Oxford English!
It's the principle. When in Rome (or Paris) etc.....
However, that said, a disgruntled French farmer has a unique way of making his patois understood. He backs his muck spreader up to the steps of the fontionaire's office and dumps the smelliest load of shit imaginable half way up the door. That tends to be noticed trés bien!
Yes, you are quite right flower.
We had occasion to go to the local tax office last week to settle a bill for friends of ours in the UK who had forgotten to pay it.
We, like you, started off in French but very quickly he continued in perfect English. It's the principle of the thing. You demand to be understood in English and they don't want to know. You make a good attempt at conducting yourself in French and they will be more helpful than you can imagine.
I agree wholeheartedly that when you are in another Country it is respectfull to try to speak that language and it is true that when you do try they are more likely to speak to you in English if they can.
There is one strange situation though, in Switzerland they don't speak Swiss lol
In the North with it's German borders they speak German and along it's Eastern borders with Austria. In the South of Switzerland around Geneva they speak French and in the Western area where they border Italy and France they of course speak Italian and French.
All products sold in Switzerland are labelled in German, French and Italian.
At schools they are taught thier respective area language ie German in the North and East, French in the South and West, however in the South and Western regions they are also required to learn German, but those in the North and East are not required to learn French.
This causes much angst with the French speaking members of the population and living in those Cantons (regions) I found that although they spoke fluent German they usually refused to do so, when I lived there I did have a French tutor and learned what I could, though I admit I struggled with the French language, I do speak very passable German. I always tried to speak in French to the locals but when I was really struggling I would tell them I could speak German, they all without exception refused to use the language and preferred to struggle along with my bad French and their broken English.
A strange Country when half the population speak a different language and must make it difficult to do business with the North if you refuse to speak their language or cannot speak the language of the South.
Imagine being able to speak English but not Scottish and vice versa :sad:
I love the Dutch and when I lived on the Dutch German border (Venlo) found it amusing that everytime I asked a Dutch person if they spoke English they would reply "just a little" then proceed to have full conversations with me, even the TV programmes they watch were in English for the most part.
It is a strange world we live in :lol:
Don't forget though it's also the party that hates immigrants too. :giggle:
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Don't forget though it's also the party that hates immigrants too. :giggle:

Fuck me !! I didn`t know UKIP hated immigrants !! I was under the impression that UKIP wanted to discuss and address immigration ....
I thought it was you that hated immigrants !
Your so right. wink Don't shout it too loud though eh?
But I think UKIP have a secret agenda that really they not only want to stop all immigrants from entering the UK but also are looking at repatriation of the ones already here. But schhhhhhhh eh as we better keep that one silent, don't want all and sundry finding out. It can be our little secret. :shock:
Quote by starlightcouple
Don't forget though it's also the party that hates immigrants too. :giggle:

Fuck me !! I didn`t know UKIP hated immigrants !! I was under the impression that UKIP wanted to discuss and address immigration ....
I thought it was you that hated immigrants !
Your so right. wink Don't shout it too loud though eh?
But I think UKIP have a secret agenda that really they not only want to stop all immigrants from entering the UK but also are looking at repatriation of the ones already here. But schhhhhhhh eh as we better keep that one silent, don't want all and sundry finding out. It can be our little secret. :shock:
Do you two get some childish pleasure from point scoring?
I know you both and it really doesn't reflect well on the people you are.
You are both entitled to have your own opinions but this is pathetic behaviour from two grown men. Although this is just my opinion.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Don't forget though it's also the party that hates immigrants too. :giggle:

Fuck me !! I didn`t know UKIP hated immigrants !! I was under the impression that UKIP wanted to discuss and address immigration ....
I thought it was you that hated immigrants !
Your so right. wink Don't shout it too loud though eh?
But I think UKIP have a secret agenda that really they not only want to stop all immigrants from entering the UK but also are looking at repatriation of the ones already here. But schhhhhhhh eh as we better keep that one silent, don't want all and sundry finding out. It can be our little secret. :shock:
Do you two get some childish pleasure from point scoring?
I know you both and it really doesn't reflect well on the people you are.
You are both entitled to have your own opinions but this is pathetic behaviour from two grown men.
Might be an idea to have some thought of others that might like to use an adult forum and could possibly detract them from doing so.
I am used to you both but makes me wonder why I still post here.
Although this is just my opinion.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Don't forget though it's also the party that hates immigrants too. :giggle:

Fuck me !! I didn`t know UKIP hated immigrants !! I was under the impression that UKIP wanted to discuss and address immigration ....
I thought it was you that hated immigrants !
Your so right. wink Don't shout it too loud though eh?
But I think UKIP have a secret agenda that really they not only want to stop all immigrants from entering the UK but also are looking at repatriation of the ones already here. But schhhhhhhh eh as we better keep that one silent, don't want all and sundry finding out. It can be our little secret. :shock:
Do you two get some childish pleasure from point scoring?
It really doesn't reflect well on the people you are.
You are both entitled to have your own opinions but this is pathetic behaviour from two grown men.
Might be an idea to have some thought of others that might like to use an adult forum and could possibly detract them from doing so.
I am used to you both but makes me wonder why I still post here.
Although this is just my opinion.
They do say, that in order to make your point, you should say it once, then say it again and just to be clear say it a third time to make sure it sinks in.
Seems minx subscribes to that theory.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Do you two get some childish pleasure from point scoring?
I know you both and it really doesn't reflect well on the people you are.
You are both entitled to have your own opinions but this is pathetic behaviour from two grown men. Although this is just my opinion.

Sorry Minx I was only saying what I thought Flower wanted to hear.
I tell you what seeing as I am tired of answering the said member, I shall as I had promised to try and do, and ignore him completely. I did ask to take it to pm instead of on here but nothing was forthcoming.
So as I have made this pledge and will try and stick to it, as long as I do not get accused in any way of not answering the questions the said member asks.
As the grown up one I shall try my hardest to keep to that promise Minx. passionkiss There is always my pm box if anything needs to really answered.
Quote by flower411
Morning minx ...you were up late !
Tell you what, I`ll start some adult threads for you this morning and then you can sign in every day and add interesting grown up posts. lol

Perception may not always be as it seems. I was awake after having 6 hours sleep I hadn't been up all night as you wrongly implied.
Tell you what, you might want to ridicule me in public but I think you have just made a mockery for your action.
Hell hath no fury.......
Quote by starlightcouple

Do you two get some childish pleasure from point scoring?
I know you both and it really doesn't reflect well on the people you are.
You are both entitled to have your own opinions but this is pathetic behaviour from two grown men. Although this is just my opinion.

Sorry Minx I was only saying what I thought Flower wanted to hear.
I tell you what seeing as I am tired of answering the said member, I shall as I had promised to try and do, and ignore him completely. I did ask to take it to pm instead of on here but nothing was forthcoming.
So as I have made this pledge and will try and stick to it, as long as I do not get accused in any way of not answering the questions the said member asks.
As the grown up one I shall try my hardest to keep to that promise Minx. passionkiss There is always my pm box if anything needs to really answered.
Star you know I will never see your views in your ways, we have both experiences in life that are so totally different so form our own opinions.
I would like to say thanks for at least helping me express my point of view of what I see. kiss
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Morning minx ...you were up late !
Tell you what, I`ll start some adult threads for you this morning and then you can sign in every day and add interesting grown up posts. lol

Perception may not always be as it seems. I was awake after having 6 hours sleep I hadn't been up all night as you wrongly implied.
Tell you what, you might want to ridicule me in public but I think you have just made a mockery for your action.
OK you were up early !!
Minx , when you start the day with name calling I`m afraid you should expect a similar response.
The different between you and I is that I have no expectation that people should or will behave the way I do.
I have openly admitted I am a fool, so what you did was just highlight the fact I am.
That is fine, contrary to others views.