Not now perhaps because there is no need for the leasing companies to hold stocks to cover the needs of an organisation such as the one I have suggested but should we ever have a National Emergency Force I am pretty sure that a wise leasing company would ensure it had goods to lease as does any successfull leasing business, a look at recent weather conditions shows there would be a need for the stock.
Maybe they would look at holding other stock too like JCB earthmovers, specialist mobile lighting equipment, mobile bakeries (there was one for sale at an army surplus store near Derby that can manufacture 1000 loaves a day), surplus military mobile kitchens are easily found and a ton of other such equipment that could be deployed on national emergencies.
The US has it's National Guard, I would envisage a similarly constructed force but not for security and not bearing arms just available and trained for the kind of emergencies that we can get.
Snow plows, 4x4's would have been handy on the motorway last week when some drivers where trapped for 7 hours in their vehicles.
Only last tuesday I drove for an hour only to have to return to my start point and find an alternative route when the snow came down on the yorkshire dales (damn you sat nav for taking me that way)
Take a look at the programme on TV this week about our abnormal rain falls recently, (love the music they play for that, makes me want to run out in the rain)
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The US national guard is the American equivalent of our Territorial Army.
I think it would be absolutely crazy situation to take weapons from the TA and arm them with mobile bakeries to counter the effect of floods
I think it would be absolutely crazy situation to take weapons from the TA and arm them with mobile bakeries to counter the effect of floods
Generally people serving in the TA have jobs too, and we are having to rely on them soon as the cut backs in the Army will stretch our forces even more.
Id love national service to return for everyone. Its what made a decent man of myself. Good bit of discipline, travel and lots of life experience with a bit of knowing how easy it is to be a gonner in a contact. Gave me the drive and ambition to get on and the ability to adapt and overcome too.
Its a shame the entry levels are so high for the army too, some low level criminals if they could get in would flourish in the army. Id never go back in but im thankful for my education and experiences in the army.
It has given me some opinions and views that are totally black and white without grey that im sure you have read and not agreed with. One thing I know for sure is if you could get a near death experience once a month there is nothing you couldnt achieve. Best kick up ones ass possible.
Our army actually helped out recently in the floods so they do emergency cover already. They were lined up during the recent strikes too, but agree, give unemployed peeps work instead of benefits and if they hate it they will soon find a better job. They just dont have to be arsed right now.
They US should take the weapons off the US National guard though, they are mostly guilty for blue on blue attacks.
J
Id love national service to return for everyone. Its what made a decent man of myself. Good bit of discipline, travel and lots of life experience with a bit of knowing how easy it is to be a gonner in a contact. Gave me the drive and ambition to get on and the ability to adapt and overcome too.
Its a shame the entry levels are so high for the army too, some low level criminals if they could get in would flourish in the army. Id never go back in but im thankful for my education and experiences in the army.
It has given me some opinions and views that are totally black and white without grey that im sure you have read and not agreed with. One thing I know for sure is if you could get a near death experience once a month there is nothing you couldnt achieve. Best kick up ones ass possible.
Our army actually helped out recently in the floods so they do emergency cover already. They were lined up during the recent strikes too, but agree, give unemployed peeps work instead of benefits and if they hate it they will soon find a better job. They just dont have to be arsed right now.
They US should take the weapons off the US National guard though, they are mostly guilty for blue on blue attacks.
J
Hey Flower long time no read, few grammatical errors, bit long but yip .. makes sense to me. In short ..
Our TA will be needed soon because of cuts
I did my time defending the realm, it was fantastic and gave me many skills still used now.
People with records are disqualified from entry mostly, shame as some would flourish after basic training
We should take the weapons off the US National Guard, they shot at our convoy in 91 with A10's and thats not good at all.
So I have a question now .... back when national service was statutory, was our country a better place for all? Since then has every day living in lots of places plumetted too? Would we be better as a nation if we sent our armchair analysts to some harsh places to kick ass and make them appreciate what a super place to call home is?
It may sound like I dont have a clue but my opinions are based on physical experience not what i've seen on the news. It may read harsh but jeeeez some dont deserve to own a UK passport at all.
The biggest thing that caused my rants in here is that the long term unemployed who could work don't even seem embarrassed about it. Moan about not getting enough or a big enough house for their 5 children and have no intention of getting things on track.
I applaud the ones who retrain and try to improve .. my post may have read like i was generalising about all, so only 2 things cause rants, people critising our country and people defending work dodgers.
Another long one but hey ... come on flower, we have bantered previously ... opposite in opinion then too but what do you think about long term benefit dwellers. Tough or more money and bigger houses for them.
Ranting again but hey ... one thread I find totally outrageous .. how can anyone complain about getting less per week for doing nothing ... beggers belief ...
Our TA will be needed soon because of cuts
I did my time defending the realm, it was fantastic and gave me many skills still used now.
People with records are disqualified from entry mostly, shame as some would flourish after basic training
We should take the weapons off the US National Guard, they shot at our convoy in 91 with A10's and thats not good at all.
So I have a question now .... back when national service was statutory, was our country a better place for all? Since then has every day living in lots of places plumetted too? Would we be better as a nation if we sent our armchair analysts to some harsh places to kick ass and make them appreciate what a super place to call home is?
It may sound like I dont have a clue but my opinions are based on physical experience not what i've seen on the news. It may read harsh but jeeeez some dont deserve to own a UK passport at all.
The biggest thing that caused my rants in here is that the long term unemployed who could work don't even seem embarrassed about it. Moan about not getting enough or a big enough house for their 5 children and have no intention of getting things on track.
I applaud the ones who retrain and try to improve .. my post may have read like i was generalising about all, so only 2 things cause rants, people critising our country and people defending work dodgers.
Another long one but hey ... come on flower, we have bantered previously ... opposite in opinion then too but what do you think about long term benefit dwellers. Tough or more money and bigger houses for them.
Ranting again but hey ... one thread I find totally outrageous .. how can anyone complain about getting less per week for doing nothing ... beggers belief ...
The other posts from the other night were typed in a proper messy state hic .. and just paid a huge tax bill after that comedian got the little loophole closed ... but got away with some corporation tax so not so humpty now,. Just trying in vain to justify my harsh but my beliefs comment from the other night.
Im quite decent and not ever miserable or grumpy mostly .. just when in forums somehow go on my box and tell everyone they are wrong and we should kill em all.
So ill try and be less clueless from now on but unless you take the benefits away from them they wont work. If you have nothing you will always overcome and adapt and provide .. well I hope they would.
I actually got an interns first report the other day and he used actual text type in it :O holy fook .. like using b4 and u and wkday !!!
His first job after getting a degree and he cant type in English ... bet he can shoot a head off on call of duty from 2 miles though.
We are Dooooooooomed lol
J
Im quite decent and not ever miserable or grumpy mostly .. just when in forums somehow go on my box and tell everyone they are wrong and we should kill em all.
So ill try and be less clueless from now on but unless you take the benefits away from them they wont work. If you have nothing you will always overcome and adapt and provide .. well I hope they would.
I actually got an interns first report the other day and he used actual text type in it :O holy fook .. like using b4 and u and wkday !!!
His first job after getting a degree and he cant type in English ... bet he can shoot a head off on call of duty from 2 miles though.
We are Dooooooooomed lol
J
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But being serious for once .. we are too soft on them and they need a kick up the arse .. not a house upgrade and more benefits .. we working people pay for them to move into houses hard working families cant afford ... cant be right surely
J
Them? Who are them exactly? It could be you or anyone of us. The researches say around 68% of working people are only 3 pay packets away from being absolutely skint. You may be one of the lucky ones but there are a lot of people out there through no fault of their own, find themselves in need from the State.
You know with people with attitudes like yours above with the rather harsh comment of ' we working people ',I wonder matey how safe is your job? If you lost your job I wonder how you would feel with some smart arse taxpayer belittling you with those kinds of comments.
By saying the things you say, you really have not got a bloody clue matey.
Evening Starlights,
I appreciate that some people get hurt and cant work but the vast majority wont get out to work because the last government created a situation where they would bring home less money working than on benefits. It is simply an opinion and everyones is different. I believe you make your own luck in life. I have and continually work studying after work still to ensure I don't have to consider unemployment. In the current climate I think everyone working has a right to be a bit humpty with whole housing estates on benefit. At least get them out fixing roads, litter collecting etc. The polish arriving these days that Ive bumped into may be in the minimum rate jobs here but they take them and graft. Is that too much to ask? If you allow long term benefits without work, how on earth do you expect them to join the workforce. All they have to do is find something they enjoy, retrain themselves and be willing to start at the bottom. There are jobs out there, they just believe they are below them and too poorly paid. Which is why I think if you create a max length if not injured then they have to take a job available at the bottom, that'd be a start. I wasnt belittling anyone but if you dont agree we have at least two generations now who only know their parents sitting at home claiming benefits. Those will think that is perfectly normal too. What kind of example is that to set. Toughen up on it and all would regain a work ethic and should begin to climb the career ladder learning new skills along the way. I agree I have a lack of clues in many areas but working hard, doing well and achieving id say my clues are well up to scratch. I didnt mean to belittle at all. Just dont understand how labours social consience and lack of ability bordering on incompetence causes people to believe they deserve a handout. Id personally be ashamed getting handouts and ive worked hard, studied hard to ensure I never have to.
Apologies if i have caused upset to anyone, but simply my opinion, clueless or not I believe it should be made tougher and the country would benefit from getting the huge number on benefits out in the morning to work.
What would you suggest for the capable long term on benefits then? Do you think its right that an unemployed couple with 6 kids can live in a 6 bedroom house on benefits that most middle paid workers couldnt afford to rent?
J
I am not going to dissect all of that VoyeurJ as too much even for me. I found myself out of work for a while. Dodgy employers out there can now get away with employing immigrants for the minimum wage allowed by law, to do jobs like bricklaying, bathroom fitting heating engineers etc. Jobs that British workers could not afford to take. Can you imagine a skilled bricklayer wanting to work for an hour? Of course if you are lucky enough to be an employer, employing Polish bricklayers for the minimum wage, then of course you are laughing all the way to the bank and beyond but.....if you are a skilled brickie who knows only that trade living with a mortgage and two kids, how the heck can he possibly survive on that low amount of money?
On the one hand we had the unions squeezing the employers by the balls at every opportunity, and now the roles have kinds reversed as they can now employ cheap labour. What I get a bit pissed off about is when a taxpayer puts every out of work person in the same dole scrounging box. I am not a scrounger, I have worked hard all of my life and paid my dues. I would therefore expect some kind of help from the State for all the years of paying in. There are of course jobs out there but most paying the minimum wage of - an hour. Could you survive on that?
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The US national guard is the American equivalent of our Territorial Army.
I think it would be absolutely crazy situation to take weapons from the TA and arm them with mobile bakeries to counter the effect of floods
I don't believe I said we should do away with the TA, I think the TA are a much needed asset to this Countries security and are too busy to be available when needed for civil dissasters, I am talking about an additional force recruited from volunteers and the long term unemployed. I did say structured like the National Guard of America as opposed to the TA in that the TA has regiments and Companies of various trades located around the UK such as the medical company in Stoke, they are good for medical duties but not trained to drive heavy earth moving equipment or cook break, we need units of a civil nature that comprise a number of trades located around the UK.
Myself personally id get my head down, find a skill in a sector that has roles and would take a basic position, I believe its always easier to find a new better role when your already in one. Some out there just lack any work ethic whatsoever. I have no issues with anyone from another country living in Britain as long as they bring something and are willing to graft too. How can anyone not work if they can because they would get less is beyond me completely. Maybe one in that works for one here out that wont would work too. Once again just my opinion but hey .. I dont have a clue as you said about how the benefits or dss works. Ive friends on the dole that havent got up before 11am for decades and brought kids into the world knowing they couldnt afford to provide for them. Id not be able to live with that and having one im determined to give her the best start in life I can. Surely any person with kids out of work will try even harder to provide for them. Maybe im just old fashioned and my priorities are different too. But you have to admit, it should never have been allowed to happen and with so many.
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Them? Who are them exactly? It could be you or anyone of us. The researches say around 68% of working people are only 3 pay packets away from being absolutely skint. You may be one of the lucky ones but there are a lot of people out there through no fault of their own, find themselves in need from the State.
You know with people with attitudes like yours above with the rather harsh comment of ' we working people ',I wonder matey how safe is your job? If you lost your job I wonder how you would feel with some smart arse taxpayer belittling you with those kinds of comments.
By saying the things you say, you really have not got a bloody clue matey.
Evening Starlights,
I appreciate that some people get hurt and cant work but the vast majority wont get out to work because the last government created a situation where they would bring home less money working than on benefits. It is simply an opinion and everyones is different. I believe you make your own luck in life. I have and continually work studying after work still to ensure I don't have to consider unemployment. In the current climate I think everyone working has a right to be a bit humpty with whole housing estates on benefit. At least get them out fixing roads, litter collecting etc. The polish arriving these days that Ive bumped into may be in the minimum rate jobs here but they take them and graft. Is that too much to ask? If you allow long term benefits without work, how on earth do you expect them to join the workforce. All they have to do is find something they enjoy, retrain themselves and be willing to start at the bottom. There are jobs out there, they just believe they are below them and too poorly paid. Which is why I think if you create a max length if not injured then they have to take a job available at the bottom, that'd be a start. I wasnt belittling anyone but if you dont agree we have at least two generations now who only know their parents sitting at home claiming benefits. Those will think that is perfectly normal too. What kind of example is that to set. Toughen up on it and all would regain a work ethic and should begin to climb the career ladder learning new skills along the way. I agree I have a lack of clues in many areas but working hard, doing well and achieving id say my clues are well up to scratch. I didnt mean to belittle at all. Just dont understand how labours social consience and lack of ability bordering on incompetence causes people to believe they deserve a handout. Id personally be ashamed getting handouts and ive worked hard, studied hard to ensure I never have to.
Apologies if i have caused upset to anyone, but simply my opinion, clueless or not I believe it should be made tougher and the country would benefit from getting the huge number on benefits out in the morning to work.
What would you suggest for the capable long term on benefits then? Do you think its right that an unemployed couple with 6 kids can live in a 6 bedroom house on benefits that most middle paid workers couldnt afford to rent?
J
I am not going to dissect all of that VoyeurJ as too much even for me. I found myself out of work for a while. Dodgy employers out there can now get away with employing immigrants for the minimum wage allowed by law, to do jobs like bricklaying, bathroom fitting heating engineers etc. Jobs that British workers could not afford to take. Can you imagine a skilled bricklayer wanting to work for an hour? Of course if you are lucky enough to be an employer, employing Polish bricklayers for the minimum wage, then of course you are laughing all the way to the bank and beyond but.....if you are a skilled brickie who knows only that trade living with a mortgage and two kids, how the heck can he possibly survive on that low amount of money?
On the one hand we had the unions squeezing the employers by the balls at every opportunity, and now the roles have kinds reversed as they can now employ cheap labour. What I get a bit pissed off about is when a taxpayer puts every out of work person in the same dole scrounging box. I am not a scrounger, I have worked hard all of my life and paid my dues. I would therefore expect some kind of help from the State for all the years of paying in. There are of course jobs out there but most paying the minimum wage of - an hour. Could you survive on that?
quote="starlightcouple"]
Quote by VoyeurJ
But being serious for once .. we are too soft on them and they need a kick up the arse .. not a house upgrade and more benefits .. we working people pay for them to move into houses hard working families cant afford ... cant be right surely
J
Them? Who are them exactly? It could be you or anyone of us. The researches say around 68% of working people are only 3 pay packets away from being absolutely skint. You may be one of the lucky ones but there are a lot of people out there through no fault of their own, find themselves in need from the State.
You know with people with attitudes like yours above with the rather harsh comment of ' we working people ',I wonder matey how safe is your job? If you lost your job I wonder how you would feel with some smart arse taxpayer belittling you with those kinds of comments.
By saying the things you say, you really have not got a bloody clue matey.
Evening Starlights,
I appreciate that some people get hurt and cant work but the vast majority wont get out to work because the last government created a situation where they would bring home less money working than on benefits. It is simply an opinion and everyones is different. I believe you make your own luck in life. I have and continually work studying after work still to ensure I don't have to consider unemployment. In the current climate I think everyone working has a right to be a bit humpty with whole housing estates on benefit. At least get them out fixing roads, litter collecting etc. The polish arriving these days that Ive bumped into may be in the minimum rate jobs here but they take them and graft. Is that too much to ask? If you allow long term benefits without work, how on earth do you expect them to join the workforce. All they have to do is find something they enjoy, retrain themselves and be willing to start at the bottom. There are jobs out there, they just believe they are below them and too poorly paid. Which is why I think if you create a max length if not injured then they have to take a job available at the bottom, that'd be a start. I wasnt belittling anyone but if you dont agree we have at least two generations now who only know their parents sitting at home claiming benefits. Those will think that is perfectly normal too. What kind of example is that to set. Toughen up on it and all would regain a work ethic and should begin to climb the career ladder learning new skills along the way. I agree I have a lack of clues in many areas but working hard, doing well and achieving id say my clues are well up to scratch. I didnt mean to belittle at all. Just dont understand how labours social consience and lack of ability bordering on incompetence causes people to believe they deserve a handout. Id personally be ashamed getting handouts and ive worked hard, studied hard to ensure I never have to.
Apologies if i have caused upset to anyone, but simply my opinion, clueless or not I believe it should be made tougher and the country would benefit from getting the huge number on benefits out in the morning to work.
What would you suggest for the capable long term on benefits then? Do you think its right that an unemployed couple with 6 kids can live in a 6 bedroom house on benefits that most middle paid workers couldnt afford to rent?
J
I am not going to dissect all of that VoyeurJ as too much even for me. I found myself out of work for a while. Dodgy employers out there can now get away with employing immigrants for the minimum wage allowed by law, to do jobs like bricklaying, bathroom fitting heating engineers etc. Jobs that British workers could not afford to take. Can you imagine a skilled bricklayer wanting to work for an hour? Of course if you are lucky enough to be an employer, employing Polish bricklayers for the minimum wage, then of course you are laughing all the way to the bank and beyond but.....if you are a skilled brickie who knows only that trade living with a mortgage and two kids, how the heck can he possibly survive on that low amount of money?
On the one hand we had the unions squeezing the employers by the balls at every opportunity, and now the roles have kinds reversed as they can now employ cheap labour. What I get a bit pissed off about is when a taxpayer puts every out of work person in the same dole scrounging box. I am not a scrounger, I have worked hard all of my life and paid my dues. I would therefore expect some kind of help from the State for all the years of paying in. There are of course jobs out there but most paying the minimum wage of - an hour. Could you survive on that?
Sex God
Quote by MidsCouple24
I don't believe I said we should do away with the TA, I think the TA are a much needed asset to this Countries security and are too busy to be available when needed for civil dissasters,
The TA, like the regulars is not allowed to be too busy to be available when needed for civil disasters. The armed forces are there to do a job, but can be redirected to assist the if required.
Quote by MidsCouple24
I am talking about an additional force recruited from volunteers and the long term unemployed. I did say structured like the National Guard of America as opposed to the TA in that the TA has regiments and Companies of various trades located around the UK such as the medical company in Stoke, they are good for medical duties but not trained to drive heavy earth moving equipment or cook break, we need units of a civil nature that comprise a number of trades located around the UK.
The is America's TA. It has regiments and Companies of various trades located around the US. They are good for or trained to or .
The is the UK's National Guard. It has regiments and companies of various trades located around the UK. They are good for or trained to or .
I understand what you are getting at, but you cannot say we need something like the National Guard because we already have something like the National Guard, it is called the Territorial Army.
The US send them regularly into combat and they do the big jobs too .. i worked with them in apache attack copters and A10 death planes. Personally id be a bit nervous if half my sqaud was TA. They dont train nearly enough or grow with you in your team so Itd make me nervous and last thing when the shit hits is having to carry a blubbering part timer as well as stay alive. Thats why we still dont have ladies serving on the front line. Some places are just not for them at all. And its not British to have ladies there either. jeeez
There is a reason the TA are named the SAS by regulars ... and its not because they are the worlds best fighting force .. for them it means Sat and Sundays .. its quite sad the govt are reducing our forces. We still have the finest ones worldwide but less so every year.
There is a reason the TA are named the SAS by regulars ... and its not because they are the worlds best fighting force .. for them it means Sat and Sundays .. its quite sad the govt are reducing our forces. We still have the finest ones worldwide but less so every year.
Sex God
Quote by VoyeurJ
There is a reason the TA are named the SAS by regulars ... and its not because they are the worlds best fighting force .. for them it means Sat and Sundays .. its quite sad the govt are reducing our forces. We still have the finest ones worldwide but less so every year.
In my time they were called STABS
On the broader point this is a welcome change brought on by the necessity to get people to understand that the State will only assist to a degree and that there must be personal responsibility. It would be hard not to feel sorry for a single middle aged woman whose kids have grown up and who has lived in the same council house for 25 years or more being faced with the prospect of moving or paying extra for her empty rooms. Unfortunately her predicament is only because she has allowed complacency to run her life and successive Governments have allowed this complacency to continue. A belief that she would always have a right to choose where she wanted to live and for the State to pay for it.
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If they charged on the amount of action that occurred in each bedroom I'd be due a hefty refund :-)
Sex God
You are correct GnV
Quote by VoyeurJ
The US send them regularly into combat and they do the big jobs too .. i worked with them in apache attack copters and A10 death planes. Personally id be a bit nervous if half my sqaud was TA. They dont train nearly enough or grow with you in your team so Itd make me nervous and last thing when the shit hits is having to carry a blubbering part timer as well as stay alive. Thats why we still dont have ladies serving on the front line. Some places are just not for them at all. And its not British to have ladies there either. jeeez
There is a reason the TA are named the SAS by regulars ... and its not because they are the worlds best fighting force .. for them it means Sat and Sundays .. its quite sad the govt are reducing our forces. We still have the finest ones worldwide but less so every year.
I am an old git and when I served they were the weekend soldiers and a bit of a joke, nowadays they continually serve alongside regular soldiers in combat zones, at this very moment thousand of them are deployed in Afghanistan, many have died there.
I have no misconception that they are trained to the same standards as regular soldiers but they do seem to be able to do the job, many are former regular soldiers many are not but if it had not been for soldiers with limited training you might not be here, following the evacuation of Dunkirk most of the British Regular army were either overseas in plaes like Bhurma and Singapore and the rest were simply not enough to do the job, Reserves and Conscripts with very limited training became the new British Army and most of those who fought in Africa and went accross for the D Day landings had very limited combat experience most had none.
I for one doff my cap to them.
Quote by Trevaunance
I don't believe I said we should do away with the TA, I think the TA are a much needed asset to this Countries security and are too busy to be available when needed for civil dissasters,
The TA, like the regulars is not allowed to be too busy to be available when needed for civil disasters. The armed forces are there to do a job, but can be redirected to assist the if required.
Quote by MidsCouple24
I am talking about an additional force recruited from volunteers and the long term unemployed. I did say structured like the National Guard of America as opposed to the TA in that the TA has regiments and Companies of various trades located around the UK such as the medical company in Stoke, they are good for medical duties but not trained to drive heavy earth moving equipment or cook break, we need units of a civil nature that comprise a number of trades located around the UK.
The is America's TA. It has regiments and Companies of various trades located around the US. They are good for or trained to or .
The is the UK's National Guard. It has regiments and companies of various trades located around the UK. They are good for or trained to or .
I understand what you are getting at, but you cannot say we need something like the National Guard because we already have something like the National Guard, it is called the Territorial Army.
I believe I have confused the issue with my use of the word National Guard, what I mean, if I can put it in an understable way is, small units of trained personnel located all over the Country, units whch comprise staff that are trained in various trades such as medics, nurses, outside lighting, demoliton (if only to blast trees from roads), to operate pumping equipment, search and rescue, snowplows, earth movers, JCB's, cooks, tent erecters, dam construction (sandbag style not the hoover dam) evacuation procedures, bus drivers (to aid evacuation) (I know two local friends who are coach drivers and unemployed).
We don't need infantry units such as you would have in a National Guard or the TA, but using the NG and TA structure of organisation and deployment techniques would seem sensible.
Basically I just think we could do with a contingency plan and a National Emergency Force/Team might be a good way of helping the long term unemployed feel good about themselves, teach them new skills, get them back into work mode, assist the Country, remove the stigma some have for them and give a good return for benefits given, there would be a need for all ages young and old in various positions, the disabled could benefit from jobs in the administering of such a Team though having seen the paralympics they would probably want more active jobs
The TA and Regular Army have enough on thier plates right now especially with the cutbacks.
cut all benefits to the poor and increase benefits to the rich.....less cash in circulation
cut pensions, housing benefits/allowances and increase politicians expenses/fiddles.
increase banker bonuses and bank handouts and charge it to the taxpayer...at interest.
and here comes the small end of the council tax wedge....charge property tax per bedroom but exempt or ceiling it at say 6 or seven bedrooms...that way the toffs dont pay any more.
lower the threshold of inheritance tax except for assets greater than 2 million, farms or country mansions and for everybody who is going to be poorer (the bottom 98%) let them eat cake. they deserve nothing less because until we get off our fat arses and protest, nothing will change.
fortunately there are plenty of spare burgers to eat.
cut pensions, housing benefits/allowances and increase politicians expenses/fiddles.
increase banker bonuses and bank handouts and charge it to the taxpayer...at interest.
and here comes the small end of the council tax wedge....charge property tax per bedroom but exempt or ceiling it at say 6 or seven bedrooms...that way the toffs dont pay any more.
lower the threshold of inheritance tax except for assets greater than 2 million, farms or country mansions and for everybody who is going to be poorer (the bottom 98%) let them eat cake. they deserve nothing less because until we get off our fat arses and protest, nothing will change.
fortunately there are plenty of spare burgers to eat.
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...or paying extra for her empty rooms.
IIRC it's not a case of the "claimant" having to pay extra, but that they get less paid in benefits.
You are correct - but you still have to pay the extra - those effected received letters today asking how they would like to pay it....
It isn't so cut and dried as it sounds. After two years the gov will do an impact study - far to late for those who are living off 20/30 quid a week to pay bills, buy food and come April pay there council tax (everyone no matter what there social status is will be paying something).
Oh also today - poorer areas here in Bristol had leaflets about food banks
:?I think that a lot of vulnerable people are going to suffer.
Foster carers wont be able to take in children anymore - so will be out of work! Yet this is about getting people back to work! HAH what a load of cod!
I don't quite understand all of it but what I have read is some already in a tough position such as those receiving some state benefits will now come April have to contribute to council tax and by some percentage at that which along with the benefit cut next year ( in real terms) adds up to a pretty significant bite out of the already smashed pockets *shakes head*
I/we would gladly pay a little more NI or income tax if it mean't the govt stop biting into those aforementioned, my friend who has just given birth to her second child had to board for her old job (shs is on maternity leave but the job structure has changed) she wasn't given her old job back and im sure there are some legal issues in there but in the meantime she will when coming off maternity leave have a pretty significant income drop, she hasn't a clue what to do or how she'll do it and if it gets much worse I'm gonna have her come live with us and stuff the govt and the horse they rode in on (pun regardin horse fully intended)
When most of the Tory Govt are millionaires (not by their own doing but more likely by their families) who have absolutely no idea what it's like out there just now then we'll always be pretty much messed up, there are no easy answers but crippling those unable to help themselves is not the way forward.
I/we would gladly pay a little more NI or income tax if it mean't the govt stop biting into those aforementioned, my friend who has just given birth to her second child had to board for her old job (shs is on maternity leave but the job structure has changed) she wasn't given her old job back and im sure there are some legal issues in there but in the meantime she will when coming off maternity leave have a pretty significant income drop, she hasn't a clue what to do or how she'll do it and if it gets much worse I'm gonna have her come live with us and stuff the govt and the horse they rode in on (pun regardin horse fully intended)
When most of the Tory Govt are millionaires (not by their own doing but more likely by their families) who have absolutely no idea what it's like out there just now then we'll always be pretty much messed up, there are no easy answers but crippling those unable to help themselves is not the way forward.
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You are correct - but you still have to pay the extra - those effected received letters today asking how they would like to pay it....
It isn't so cut and dried as it sounds. After two years the gov will do an impact study - far to late for those who are living off 20/30 quid a week to pay bills, buy food and come April pay there council tax (everyone no matter what there social status is will be paying something).
Oh also today - poorer areas here in Bristol had leaflets about food banks
I think that a lot of vulnerable people are going to suffer.
Foster carers wont be able to take in children anymore - so will be out of work! Yet this is about getting people back to work! HAH what a load of cod!
Just think anias that this Tory Government have cut back the taxes a million pound a year earners earn, so they will be pounds a year better off. Tory's for the rich and Labour helps the poorest, just as it has always been.
Nobody can dent the welfare state needed reform, but this and many other proposals by IDS, are a step too far.
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...and Labour helps the poorest,
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And just how does that sit with Gordon Brown's decision to chop the 10% tax rate when he was in power?
GnV........Miliband has promised to undo one of Brown's biggest mistakes by reintroducing the 10p tax band. Funny though how that happened after Cameron stated the Tory's were doing that.
Was Brown really a Labour PM GnV? Or as many suspected a Tory in disguise, as that could be possible seeing that he seemed to make deliberate mistakes that then led to Labour losing the election. Makes you think eh?
Deliberate as in axing the 10p rate.......Selling our gold reserves at the lowest possible price....as an ex Chancellor failing to spot the biggest financial crash in UK history.........leaving the country ' with no money left '? See where I am coming from GnV ?? :lol:
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...and Labour helps the poorest,
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And just how does that sit with Gordon Brown's decision to chop the 10% tax rate when he was in power?
GnV........Miliband has promised to undo one of Brown's biggest mistakes by reintroducing the 10p tax band. Funny though how that happened after Cameron stated the Tory's were doing that.
Was Brown really a Labour PM GnV? Or as many suspected a Tory in disguise, as that could be possible seeing that he seemed to make deliberate mistakes that then led to Labour losing the election. Makes you think eh?
Deliberate as in axing the 10p rate.......Selling our gold reserves at the lowest possible price....as an ex Chancellor failing to spot the biggest financial crash in UK history.........leaving the country ' with no money left '? See where I am coming from GnV ?? :lol:
er star no...the tory's have no said they will re-introduce the 10p tax rate at all !! This is being sols as the Robin Hood tax....as it will be paid for by introduction of a mansion tax. taking from the very rich, to give to the very poor. Miliband knows this is a good news story. Only a very few very wealthy people affected badly by it, and they were never going to vote Labour anyway. But helping those less off than yourself is seen as good.
Sex God
The so called mansion tax is a headline grabber at a time that people at the other end of the housing market are facing imminent and unpopular change.
So someone works hard gets success and enjoys his hard work then labour want to tax them for it !! worlds gone mad, it seems like more punishment for success to me. Should be applauding and congratulating them not taxing to give the poor.
Bet the 10p tax isn't for all either. Just seems unfair to me.
J
Bet the 10p tax isn't for all either. Just seems unfair to me.
J
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So someone works hard gets success and enjoys his hard work then labour want to tax them for it !! worlds gone mad, it seems like more punishment for success to me. Should be applauding and congratulating them not taxing to give the poor.
What a bit like get made redundant through no fault of your own, and get a feeble amount of money that is supposed to help you through the hard times? Or then find that you have two spare bedrooms as your kids have grown up and left home after living in that house all of their lives, only then to find out that now you are unfortunately asking for a bit of help, they then say sorry you have to pay us £28 a week out of that paltry amount to pay for your spare rooms? Which now will not leave me enough to pay my essential bills and eat properly. If you cannot afford to pay it then tough, fuck off out of that house you have lived in and helped to build a home for your family through years of hard work, and find a one bedroom flat for the two of you to live in. Fair Voyeur? Don't talk to me about fairness.
Seems like being made redundant through no fault of your own, or falling ill and having to stop work is now a punishment on the poor. Yes it seems unfair to me as well !
